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List of editors-in-chief for student newspapersEdit

Should there be separate lists of editors-in-chief for student newspapers as with Draft:List of Editor-in-Chiefs of The Daily Collegian? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, I don't think it should be in a separate article, but I could see it being useful information for within an article. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 09:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Help updating New York Times Company articlesEdit

As mentioned above, I'm currently working to update a few entries related to The New York Times Company. I've submitted a request here to note role changes for Meredith Kopit Levien and Mark Thompson. I've posted similar requests on their respective talk pages (here and here). I'm not editing the pages directly because of my COI. Can a member of WikiProject Journalism review these requests and update the pages on my behalf? Inkian Jason (talk) 16:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I've also posted a request here to improve the Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. article, if a project member is willing to take a look. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

RE: Debate on creating a Chris Mullin disambiguation page (now it automatically leads to the basketball player)Edit

Right now, the Chris Mullin page automatically leads to the basketball player - at the same time, there is a Chris Mullin (politician) - the one who led the fight to release the Birmingham Six and vote A Very British Coup (which was adapted to a TV series).

I've started a discussion on the talk page there, requesting to rename the basketball player page to Chris Mullin (basketball), and make the Chris Mullin page a disambiguation page with equal representation to both of them.

Arguments raised against my proposal:

  • The basketball player has more views.

My main argument for the move:

  • The basketball player gets most of his views from the US, while outside the US he's hardly known, and in Britain itself the politician-author Chris Mullin is much better known.

I invite you guys to take part in the discussion.

The link: Talk:Chris Mullin#Requested move 22 August_2020.

Thank you! Maxim.il89 (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Infobox newspaper § "Free online archives"Edit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox newspaper § "Free online archives". {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Webinar on Friday Sept. 11Edit

All, this is rather last-minute, but if you're free, you may enjoy attending a webinar tomorrow launching Phase 2 of News On Wiki. We'll be talking with librarians Jessamyn West and Molly Schwartzburg, about how to build lists (of newspapers that need articles, and of source materials for writing articles). Hope you can join us! Free registration & all info here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Can somebody look at John Sepulvado bio?Edit

I've found several items in the bio of John Sepulvado that initially seemed unsourced, and upon further digging appear they are likely simply untrue: a claim he was a founder of a radio station, and tenuous or nonexistent connections to two awards that appeared in the bio. I've removed them, and put some more details on the article's talk page. More eyes would be helpful. Pinging Aprilaser and Kaldari who were involved early on this bio. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:03, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

The Australian Financial ReviewEdit

Hi guys, I'm currently a university student working on the Australian Financial Review article. I would be grateful if you could give me some pointers as what more I could include and also if the article could bet let in (?) to the wikiproject's scope. The AFR is the biggest business journalism paper in Australia (think WSJ equivalent in the US) and thus I think it would be a great addition. Lebronverstappen (talk) 23:51, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

John A AdamEdit

Hi. I have been updating and expanding numerous stub articles since I joined. I have been looking at the BLP on John A Adam. Something isn't right, I may be wrong, but except for writing for the NY Times (which is behind a paywall) and Scientific American, I can find nothing to support any of the claims. Even the reference to a book...Could someone please take a look at it? I'm still a newbie and not sure what I should do, so I thought a message here might help. Thanks.Mollifiednow (talk) 03:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Mollifiednow this is great. My public library offers archives of the NY Times, so I can search there. Your instincts sound right to me, but I'll see what I if I can find any relevant info before taking action. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Have a great day! Mollifiednow (talk) 15:33, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Neue Zürcher ZeitungEdit

"The NZZ is known for its objectivity and detailed reports on international affairs". Is this still the case? The referenced cited for this statement in the article is from 1959. Graywalls (talk) 01:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Good point. I usually handle that sort of thing by just attributing in the test, like this. (Quick edit, please feel free to rephrase.) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 November 11 § File:Elbegdorj.JPGEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 November 11 § File:Elbegdorj.JPG. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:37, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

The Times of IndiaEdit

The Times of India is shown as politically 'no consensus'. But I believe that in non-political matters, it should be graded as Huffpost, where the articles by contributors should be 'gu' and for editorial non-political mattters- 'gr'. Please comment by joining the discussion in [1].--Atlantis77177 (talk) 04:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Aligning the differing notability guidelines on news mediaEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability § Aligning WP:Notability (periodicals), WP:Notability (media), and WP:Notability (academic journals). {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Article ExpansionEdit

Hi. I just finished expanding an article, Lenoir Chambers. I had expanded on an earlier article about Louis Isaac Jaffe, who was at the same organization, and found the Chambers article needed expanding. Later, when I took a look at my stats page, I noticed the article on Chambers was listed as stub-class, however, there was no stub template on the article, and of course, nothing to remove. I thought someone might want to take a look-see at why. Thanks- Mollifiednow (talk) 00:44, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

More on my comment about the article (above), I looked at the talk page, and it is listed as a stub class article there. I'm still new to a lot of things here, should I delete it? Would that be in-line with what I can do at the level that I am? Sorry, I'm just not sure and it's difficult to know exactly what is okay to do at my experience level. I really wish there were a "Dummies" guide for this kind of stuff ;-) Mollifiednow (talk) 04:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Mollifiednow, I just reassessed the article to C-class. For future reference, you can reassess any article, including ones you're written/contributed to, up to B-class. More information is at Wikipedia:Content assessment; I definitely agree with you that I wish our documentation/instructions were better! {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I didn't realize that I was able to do so. I will take the time to go read, and learn. I appreciate your quick response. Have a great day.Mollifiednow (talk) 23:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I have another question. I started going back to the articles that I expanded and revising the stub tags, (most will be start class). I'm only changing the rating on journalism templates. Am I correct in assuming that other WikiProjects are responsible for their own ratings? Thanks in advance for your help.Mollifiednow (talk) 02:27, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Mollifiednow, sorry, just seeing this now. When I reassess a page, I typically change the rating for all projects, not just the one that brought me to the page. Most projects aren't active enough to be regularly reassessing pages, so I chalk up differences to the fact that the page may have changed since it was last assessed. Eventually, I hope that every page will just have one assessment, rather than a bunch from individual WikiProjects. It's hard enough to keep 6 million ratings up to date, let alone 6 million * the average number of tags on each page. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:11, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

No problem :) I think I'm sensible enough to change the others as well, unless, of course, I'm not permitted to at my level(?) as an editor. If it's ok, let me know. I have a list of maybe 100 biographies, and don't mind going back and updating others. Best-Mollifiednow (talk) 23:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

There are some parts of Wikipedia that are highly developed, where it's better to stick your toes in gently to avoid messing anything up. As I alluded a bit above, article assessment is absolutely not one of them; it's very much in need of attention. So go ahead and re-assess as you see fit, and don't let the prior assessments (which might be years out of date) be an obstacle. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Great. Will do. I appreciate the "toe-dipping" analogy, trust me, I've been stepping lightly, I had one bad experience when I first arrived at the Wikiverse; I'm trying very hard not to step on anyone's toes again. ;-) I'll go back through the articles that I've expanded on and do my best. If someone wants to revert, they can have at it. Thanks again for helping me. I try to look for answers on my own, but it's good to be able to ask a question of someone more experienced, if I need to. Mollifiednow (talk) 00:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC) PS bookmarked the links, thanks :-)

Draft:Brooke Foucault WelleesEdit

  Courtesy link: Draft:Brooke Foucault Welles

Hi, I did a draft for an article about Dr. Foucault Welles, a network scientist who studies behaviors on twitter. THe first try it got marked for speedy deletion due to copyright concerns (I am new to Wikipedia and didn't understand the rules) so I fixed it, and now I would like the big red message to go away. Can anyone help me/does anyone have any advice? I'm really stressed out about it. Thanks, Luvbug3158 (talk) 19:38, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm fairly new here too, but I'm pretty sure you should ask this type of question at the Teahouse. Welcome and Good luck! Mollifiednow (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Luvbug3158, I tagged the draft with two issues that I'd suggest you address before trying to submit the page. The notability one is particularly important—if coverage of Dr. Welles does not exist that can establish that she meets the WP:NACADEMICS guideline, she will not be able to have a page. Once you've addressed those things, paste the code {{subst:Submit}} onto the top of the page, and it will be reviewed. Further information is at Help:Your first page, and as Luvbug mentioned, you are welcome to seek additional help at the Teahouse. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:09, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! Luvbug3158 (talk) 02:54, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Phill FelthamEdit

Please fix this stub, or it risks deletion. Bearian (talk) 21:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I just took a look, and I'm curious about what do you think is notable about the individual? Mollifiednow (talk) 00:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Just to be clear, I thought I might be able to help out, but after doing a quick search and couldn't come up with suitable sources. If you can give me additional information about the subject and point me in the right direction, I am willing to help out, if you can answer my question about what makes him notable.:-) Mollifiednow (talk) 00:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Actually, User:Bearian cancel my offer. From what I see, more than half of the article is copied and pasted from his LinkedIn page. Personally, I think it should be nominated for deletion. But since I'm still fairly new here, I'll leave that for someone else to make the call. Best-Mollifiednow (talk) 01:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually,, I think it should be deleted. Bearian (talk) 17:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
-) Mollifiednow (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Feedback requestEdit

Hi. I know that I could ask this question at the Teahouse, however, I'd like to get feedback from WikiProject Journalism, since this is what I focus on.

I have expanded numerous articles, and think I'm on the right track, but I'm at a point where I could use some feedback on areas of improvement. For example: I just finished expanding the BLP for Chuck Neubauer and I'm having second thoughts on the subsection "Washington Times reporting". Have I added too much detail? If so, should I remove it?

I would really appreciate it if someone with more experience, could take the time and look at the article, or any of the articles that I have worked on (they're listed on my userpage). I'm looking for any advice on how I can improve on my contributions. To be clear, I'm not fishing for compliments, I really want to do a good job here, and care about what this project offers to its readers. Thanks, Mollifiednow (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mollifiednow! I just took a look and made a bunch of edits (mostly tweaks) to Neubauer's page that should give you an idea of potential improvements. Regarding the Washington Times section, yes, that seems like way too much detail. Unless the story is Watergate, it should really only have a paragraph or so in a biography article. And to the extent that we discuss the story, the topic needs to be the article itself, not the topic of the article. So don't just summarize the article with only the article itself as the reference. Instead, discuss how he went about reporting the article, what reactions or impact the article had, etc. If there's no discussion of the article in reliable sources, it probably doesn't warrant anything more than something like Neubauer wrote a report for The Washington Times raising ethical concerns about Diane Feinstein's husband allegedly profiting from the financial crisis. "Allegedly" is probably needed to be safe, given that The Washington Times is considered only marginally reliable. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the input. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out. I'll go take a look at your changes, and go from there. As to the Washington Time, yep. ;-) The articles seem to have quite the hook, but on further reading, well, no need to say more... Thanks again! Mollifiednow (talk) 23:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect Redirect?Edit

Some time ago, when I first joined, I found some discrepancies between two articles: George Ticknor (journalist) and another George Ticknor. The journalist article was deleted.

I was just going through my contributions list, updating class ratings on articles that I had expanded/improved on. I found the journalist Ticknor, (mentioned above) and clicked the link; it redirects to The Keene Sentinel.

If I recall correctly, Ticknor & Sons held part ownership in the Sentinel for a short period of time, but not this journalist; he is not mentioned in the article, which makes me think the redirect is an error. I'm not sure, maybe there is a reason for the redirect, but I wanted to bring it to the attention of someone who knows more about these things. Mollifiednow (talk) 02:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Mollifiednow, it looks like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Ticknor (journalist) resulted in consensus to redirect to the Sentinel, with the redirect tagged with {{r to related topic}}. Generally, we try not to make redirects to pages that don't mention the term being redirected from, but in this case I think it's okay, since the Sentinel's page is a start class article at best, but if it were more fully developed it presumably would mention Ticknor somewhere as part of a comprehensive history section. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 03:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks for the explanation. I'll make some time to work on the Sentinel article, since I'm aware of the situation now. ;-) Mollifiednow (talk) 03:17, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh my, I am embarrassed now that I see mention of him in the article, as I take another look at it this morning. Apologies. Mollifiednow (talk) 13:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

ReviewEdit

Hello, can someone kindly review my Draft:Harry Fear ? He is a journalist known for his live coverage of the Gaza/Israel conflict in 2012 and the documentary Gaza:Still Alive. Thanks in advance Engy Badawy (talk) 23:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Master of Journalism stubEdit

Hello!

I just created an article for the Master of Journalism degree. It is currently a stub.

I have written a bit about the degree and included the schools in Canada and the U.S. If anyone else would like to help by adding to this article, that would be great!

Thank you!


13mka1 (talk) 02:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what to add to the stub, but I just linked an article I'm expanding, Bob Drogin, to it :-) cheers - Mollifiednow (talk) 00:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

The Philadelphia Inquirer featured article reviewEdit

I have nominated The Philadelphia Inquirer for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Bruno Maddox FAREdit

I have nominated Bruno Maddox for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. RetiredDuke (talk) 18:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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