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Why rollbacker?Edit

Hello, can anyone tell me what is the use of having rollback rights if rollback option is available in Twinkle to Autoconfirmed users? Aggarwala2727 (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@Aggarwala2727: There are various things that you can use, like the antivandalism program Huggle, that requires rollback rights. Myself, I also find rollback helpful when recent changes patrolling. The rollback button will be visible for all the current edits, so you don't have to look at the edits that Cluebot or another editor has already taken care of. -- Dolotta (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
One of the most useful cases I encountered was when someone was using an unapproved bot to quickly make damaging edits. The edits were coming in so fast (many each minute) that, without the single-click rollback permission, it would have been impossible to keep up. Once one IP was blocked the editor would simply change IPs and resume in a matter of seconds. The small time savings of rollback made a huge difference in being able to effectively thwart the attacker's disruptive plans. - Vanstrat ((🗼)) 05:46, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

All editsEdit

Hello, is it possible to rollback all edits made by a user? I'm talking about reverting back all of the user contribution. Or it has to be done bit by bit?--Azerifactory (talk) 15:09, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

  • @Azerifactory: -- there is a script that you can install at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js that might be useful. Once installed, there will be an additional link available when you view their contributions. -- Dolotta (talk) 16:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Dolotta:, I'm an admin in Azerbaijani wiki and there's currently user with his clones which changes name of the topics and vandalizing everything. Is there any way to rollback all of his edits?--Azerifactory (talk) 16:42, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Azerifactory -- The link I provided above should rollback all of the current edits from a single account once you add the link to your account's common.js file. I'm not sure if this will work for page move vandalism -- or even how well it will transfer to your language's site. That is above my pay grade. There are a quite a few smart people over at the WP:TEAHOUSE or the Azerbaijani equivalent who could probably answer your question better than I if the script doesn't work well for you. -- Dolotta (talk) 18:59, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Rollbackers incorrectly using the tool for non-vandalism editsEdit

Hello, a couple of users have been undoing my edits using WP:ROLLBACK in contravention of the usage gudelines.

  1. Denisarona (talk · contribs) four times rolled back my edits to talk pages, and then dropped two simultaneous "vandalism" warnings on my talk page. He refused to discuss the matter on his own talk page, even though he was apparently complicit in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia without providing adequate attribution.
  2. The Herald (talk · contribs) on Theistic evolution: used rollback on my constructive edit, restoring unsourced contentious assertions about living people, and then he dropped a "final warning" of vandalism on my talk page.
  • I would like to see these spurious warnings retracted before someone judges me unjustly of having committed vandalism, which I have not done in the least. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 17:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

cancel and revert switchedEdit

Just hit rollback by mistake on my phone. Got a “are you sure?” confirmation. Clicked “cancel”. It rolled the edit back! Tested this a few times on my sandbox and the buttons seem to be flipped. Popcornduff (talk) 04:44, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Popcornduff: Per WP:BUGS, this is worth filing at phab:. Be sure to state the steps to reproduce, also the make/model of your phone, and the OS and browser that your phone uses. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Requesting a rollbackEdit

What this page does not cover, is how an editor without rollback rights can request a rollback. (e.g. A user that have removed info in several other places, made several unexplained and uncited changes to the Mahikeng article, how do I request someone to consider rolling it back?) MoHaG (talk) 09:33, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

  • @MoHag: It is not covered mainly because it would generally take at least as much or more time to request a rollback from a rollbacker that to just undo the edit in question yourself. As to the edits you alluded to, I would guess, without going into the appropriateness of the edits themselves, that it would not be suitable for a rollback because an edit summary beyond the standard rollback summary. -- Dolotta (talk) 12:32, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Equal to AutoWIkiBrowserEdit

All this user right does is just a trusted flag to users trusted to used cool things like Huggle or STiki, similar to getting access to AutoWikiBrowser. That's it. If you use the Twinkle gadget, you are automatically a rollbacker as an autoconfirmed user. Or even better, you can automatically become a global rollbacker. So other than acquiring Huggle, STiki, or other programs requiring rollback, why are people even requesting this? {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 03:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I Log In, sorry for being late to the game but the primary advantage of Rollback, in its current form, is convenience. The Rollback feature shows the number of edits made in a row, useful for reverting GF edits (if just one edit out of a long string is bad, the number of edits may be the sole indicator between mild vandalism and GF unconstructive edits) Another reason is a symbol of trust. Adminship is not a Request for Permission/(admin-toolkit); rather it is a symbol of trust. Similarly, rollback can be seen as a symbol of trust in countering vandalism. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 07:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

What to do in case of Rollback abuseEdit

Hello, can anyone please advise me, what to do if a Rollbacker abuses the Rollback flag, i.e. reverts obvious Good Faith edits using this button, and/or abuses it for editwarring or contentual dispute. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the local practices, but I know for sure, that in Russian WP it is a perfectly valid reason to remove the flag. Please explain, if there is similar policy here, and if yes, where I can complain. Thanks --A.Savin (talk) 13:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

A.Savin, in case of a user misusing rollback, for sufficiently serious cases rights can be revoked -- see WP:Rollback: "Standard rollback may only be used in certain situations – editors who misuse standard rollback (for example, by using it to reverse good-faith edits in situations where an explanatory edit summary would normally be expected) may have their rollback rights removed. Since rollback is part of the core administrator tools, an admin could be stripped of their administrative privileges entirely to remove those tools." However, if this issue isn't persistent then maybe it might be an accident, which naturally is common with rollback and doesn't lead to a block. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 10:46, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for rollback permissionEdit

Is there a way I can request rollback permission? User3749 (talk) 09:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

User3749, you can do so at WP:RFP/R. However, I strongly advise you not to do so yet. Your account has been here for barely a month, and you have just 68 edits, 41 to articles. You don't have a long track record of vandalism and as a result, it is very unlikely for you to be given permission. Thank you. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 10:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

So when I can do so User3749 (talk) 10:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

User3749, I would say that you should at least try to fight vandalism (perhaps using Twinkle for a month or two, and file some AIV/UAA reports. Rollback "is not for very new users": see Wikipedia:Rollback#Requesting_rollback_rights. You could try, like me, to do reverts for a few months, but a track record is the most important. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 10:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

You mean reverting vandalisms User3749 (talk) 19:01, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The only vandalism I ever saw was on 2020 NBA playoffs. I already undone that edit but from there I never saw more. That ip user deleted that entire section. User3749 (talk) 06:41, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Eumat114: But am i now ready for a rollback request? User3749 (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @User3749: I think you would be a well qualified rollback candidate at this point. -- Dolotta (talk) 23:58, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

ClarificationEdit

Hello,

I have a question about the use of rollback that I feel stupid for not asking much earlier, but here goes: when policies say "Rollback is to be used only for vandalism", does the definition of "vandalism" encompass only edits which are clearly done with malicious intent, such as strings of obscenities or slander against a living person, or can rollback also be used to undo edits that, whilst not necessarily malicious in intent, are in practice purely disruptive to the encyclopedia? What I mean by this is edits that were most likely intended as light-hearted humour rather than malicious vandalism (e.g. "Hahaha [name of article subject] is a funny clown and likes riding pink elephants!"), and nonsense edits that are probably done by new users as tests (e.g. "Bold textItalic text--Passengerpigeon (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)www.example.comerugoiuergow7yndonsuOV7GRQ79734OH87OYE"). I wouldn't classify either of these as "vandalism" in the strict sense, but I see plenty of people reverting these via Rollback and Huggle without summaries and have done so myself in the past. What is the official verdict on this? Thank you, Passengerpigeon (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I think only one type of rollback is for vandalism only. Unfortunately, there are multiple types of rollback, and I have found the guidance to be lacking. I see three different rollback links when I'm viewing a diff (see screenshot to right). When I use the red one, it gives me no opportunity to leave an edit summary. It leaves an automatic one like this:
m 9,362 bytes -1,989‎ Reverted 15 edits by Eric (talk) to last revision by Cornellier (TW)
Note re above edit summary: I have only now noticed for first time that using the red "rollback (vandal)" link marks the edit as minor, which I believe is contrary to guidance given for doing manual reverts.
When I use the blue rollback link, I'm prompted to leave an edit summary. In both cases, another tab opens to the user page of the user whose edits I'm rolling back.
As far as I know, I've never used the green one. I've just now tried testing it, but I get an error, apparently because I'm testing it on pages that only I have edited. Might try it here next. Eric talk 01:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Update: Just tried rolling back my edits here using the green link, "rollback (AGF)", and it seems to behave exactly the same as the blue rollback. Wish I could help more... Eric talk 01:45, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
You're talking about the Twinkle rollback function here; I am referring to the MediaWiki rollback feature, which must be applied for as a permission, and which appears as another blue "Rollback" link above the Twinkle ones. Passengerpigeon (talk) 01:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I had no idea about the MediaWiki one. I sure wish the Lords of Rollback had come up with a less confusing naming scheme. Eric talk 01:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Passengerpigeon: Rollback can be used to revert any obviously wrong edit like all of the examples you have given in your question. You are just fine! -- Dolotta (talk) 11:34, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Anyone know why "rollback (vandal)" marks the edit as minor? Eric talk 13:05, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Eric: It is marked as a minor edit because it is the type of Twinkle rollback that is meant to mirror standard rollback, which is automatically marked as minor as well. -- Dolotta (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

MisuseEdit

I have noticed that one of my edits was undone with this tool by User:Chipmunkdavis. It does not fall under any of the criteria listed for when the tool may be used. The user is falsely labelling my criticism of an editor as a personal attack, and used the tool to remove my message in this edit. I note that here for the record. 82.132.220.25 (talk) 15:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Misused again, moments later: here. 82.132.220.25 (talk) 15:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Personal attacks may be removed on sight. Calling someone "incompetent" is a personal attack.

Be cautious when referencing this page, particularly when involved in a dispute with another editor, as it could be considered a personal attack.

{{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 17:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

The IP is an obvious sock of community-banned WP:LTA/BKFIP, now range-blocked. Favonian (talk) 17:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

RfCEdit

Hi wise Wikipedians on Rollback, there is an active RfC on m:WikiLoop/DoubleCheck/RfC:Levels_for_WikiLoop_DoubleCheck_Reviewers#Overview that we think you might be interested. Please join the discussion there. xinbenlv Talk, Remember to "ping" me 02:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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