Wikipedia talk:File Upload Wizard

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Redesign of first pageEdit

So it looks like we don't have anyone at the moment comprehensively redesigning this wizard to better direct the masses to Commons (as we've wanted to), so I put together a new opening page that should at least serve as a decent stopgap. See it at User:Sdkb/sandbox/Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, with the changes here. Does this look alright? If there's consensus, I'll implement. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 02:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 02:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
  Done. Implemented per silent consensus here. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 07:09, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
firstly and mainly thanks for taking the initiative. There are a couple of issues on the en: page. We have lost the first question on whether the file is definitely free, or whether it has some copyright and thus will be fair use. It is no use to a newby to ask whether he wishes the file to go somewhere he has never heqrd or a local wiki- he is thinking about free of copyright, or not. We do need a user focused question not a systems focused one. A second point is the position on the page. Does this work on a mobile phone. On my laptops, with multiple windows I often only have eight lines of text visible. Just a few thoughts. ClemRutter (talk) 23:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
ClemRutter, both good points. Would this work better as a user-focused rather than systems-focused design? We can implement if yes. Regarding mobile, the redesign has the local button just peeking at the bottom of my phone screen, whereas the current version cuts it off without scrolling. It's still not ideal, and I'm not sure what it's like for others, but since I only mean for this to be a stopgap, I'm going to have to leave the fine-tuning to whoever does the more comprehensive redesign. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 01:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Sdkb,I made two changes to your page for consideration- I haven't tested on a mobile as I rarely use the things. I did one change to the text- thinking of the needs of the reader.ClemRutter (talk) 10:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's a good idea to put the starting instructions below the first option. And "help is given" really applies to both, no? {{u|Sdkb}}talk 17:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested feature: handle uploads via URLEdit

It'd be nice if, instead of having to download files, upload them, and then paste the URL, the wizard could instead just take a URL of an image and fetch it. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 05:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Make it clear that text logos are public domainEdit

The text under "Non-free use rationale" -> "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc." should be rewritten to something like this:

This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc.

This is an official logo of an entity that is the subject of a Wikipedia article. It will be included as that entity's primary means of visual identification, at the top of the article in question.

Note: many logos consisting only of text and simple geometric shapes are public domain and should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons with the copyright tag {{pd-textlogo}}.

Note: If you plan to use it for any other purpose than this, please tick the box for "other non-free work" below.

Reasoning: many people incorrectly upload text logos here, when they should be uploaded to commons. It's not made clear that a significant portion of logos are actually public domain, and it'd be a good idea to let people know of it here. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 03:04, ≤27 December 2020 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable to me. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 04:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
EXCEPT that "simple" logos that are of, say, UK entities, where "sweat of the brow" is sufficient for copyrightability, this would not be appropriate. Eg, the example commons has for the UK is File:EDGE magazine (logo).svg which cannot be hosted at Commons but we can called here as {{PD-ineligible-USonly}}. So this is not great advice to add without adding lots of caveats about the sweat of the brow doctrine for common law countries. --Masem (t) 04:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, I didn't consider that. Still, some mention (maybe logos for USA organizations consisting) seems appropriate. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 07:48, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
  Not done (for now) as this is still being discussed and a specific edit is not ready to go live. Please update the sandbox ([[[Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard/sandbox]]) and gain consensus for the change, then reactivate the edit request. — xaosflux Talk 15:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: I've made the change in the sandbox, with wording to clarify that logos in the USA are eligible. I think that should alleviate the concerns of Masem. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 18:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I'd still be concerned this may be too much small print. The biggest danger in designing this form is information overload. Uploaders don't read small print, and if there's too much small print, they won't read anything at all, ignoring even the most important basics. It is absolutely crucial that everything in this form is kept on the simplest possible level, even at the cost of over-simplifying some of the rules. With the new distinctions between US and non-US textlogos, your new text is now describing an exception to an exception to an exception to an exception. Let's not do that. The chance that a significant number of users will act correctly on this is near zero. It's far better to have novices upload the occasional textlogo as non-free and then sort those cases out afterwards. Fut.Perf. 21:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Future Perfect at Sunrise fair enough. I know it would've helped me initially, which is why I suggested it, but most people indeed do not read the fine print. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 08:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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