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Untitled (1967 Judd sculpture)Edit

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Judd did hundreds of sculptures titled "Untitled" and in the same vein as this one. This particular specimen is not notable on its own, although Judd is highly notable, of course, and the body of work he made is extremely notable and in too many museum collections to count.

To sum up: the series of works is notable, but not this particular specimen. Sources are largely primary, and none discuss the work in depth. The Art21 source simply includes an image of the work; "The Art Story" source has an image of a similar but different work, and is used in the article as background on his practice.

As the last Afd boiled down to a set of arguments that "it's in a collection, so it's notable", I think it is important to point out that that is a criteria for the notability for artists per WP:ARTIST, not individual works. Museum collections in aggregate probably contain millions of works, and they are not all notable individually. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:28, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Keep per last time - when in fact the Afd boiled down to a set of arguments that "it's in the collection highlights self-selected by a reasonably major collection, so it's notable". As usual, the arguments that we don't want hundreds of such articles (which we don't) have proved alarmist - two years after the 1st afd this is still the only article we have on a Judd work. It's had over 5,000 views in the last 5 years, which isn't too bad. And I certainly take article views into account. When somebody tries to claim a bio getting a steady 300 views a day is non-notable, you know there's a problem with the nom. Johnbod (talk) 15:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not alarmed at all. In fact if the concensus of this AfD is to keep, I'll take that a s direction and make a few dozen Judd sculpture articles. I love his work, but this article still does not meet our criteria for notability just because it is in a collection. Article views, as always, are not a criteria for keep. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:58, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Well, others were - I don't think you commented last time, did you? To be clear, if there were "a few dozen" such articles, I would probably vote for merging to the bio, or bunching into group articles. I generally oppose deletion of the many articles in Category:Indianapolis Museum of Art artworks which are our only representative of a particular type of artwork. Johnbod (talk) 18:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete Keep - This is such an iconic and important work by Judd. It stands apart from so much of his other work as it is in brass and red enamel paint, giving it an element of warmth not often found in his work. It is indeed a notable work. Yes there are different versions of it in several museum collections, but that is not a reason for deletion (it's like a print or multiples series). The article should be kept based on the criteria in the first deletion discussion. This particular early work is a key to the late work. Anecdotally (and I realize anecdotes are not relevant arguments), many years ago I peered down the end of this work and was amazed at the optical effects created by the mathematical permutations of the interiors of the forms of the enclosed and open elements, and how the light interacted with these forms to create perceptual anomalies; years later when visiting the Judd Foundation in Marfa, TX and seeing the 100 boxes in spaces designed/retrofitted by him, it profoundly referenced this specific early piece, in relation to the optical/perceptual qualities and anomalies. Netherzone (talk) 17:20, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Netherzone: I love Judd too, but do you have any sources? There are several that use unique materials, see the list below.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: It is featured in "Donald Judd's Aritmetics and Sol LeWitt's Combinatorics. On the Relationship Between Visual and Mathematical in New York Art Around 1960." -- the lead chapter of the book "Imagine Math 3" by Michael Rottmann, Springer Verlag. There is also an essay by Anna Chave (not the famed scathing critique of Minimalism, but a different essay) I think it was with another author. I will see if I can find anything more substantial. I do think it's important to have an article on at least one of his individual works. My main complaint with this article is that the image sucks - I tried to retouch it and upload the color corrected version to WPCommons, but it seemed to revert to the present image. Not sure if I am doing something incorrectly on Commons. Netherzone (talk) 21:26, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Many are in museum collections... shall we have an article for each? There is no in-depth coverage of the piece described in the article, and as you can see, it is not particularly unique. Several of the image descriptions mention the work as "one of an edition of three". That is common among the big shot artists, but the lack of coverage, and the fact that it's one of an edition, of which there are many variants, tends to say it's not notable on its own. I'd be happy to rename the article Donald Judd (progressions series) or Donald Judd (progression sculptures), if that interests anyone. There seem to be many Google books mentions of this "class" of Judd sculptures, and the current example could illustrate it. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Previous project discussions have established that, at least normally, an article on a work from an edition, should potentially cover the whole edition - ie we don't want multiple articles on multiple casts etc - see The Thinker etc. By the same token, if works can reasonably be corralled into a "series", they should be. This has been done with the main Monet series for example. Johnbod (talk) 21:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Johnbod and Netherzone: What about this: Draft:Donald_Judd_(progression_scuptures)? It does seem to be a class of sculptures mentioned numerous sources. I had no trouble fining wide mention of his "progressions works".ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I think I'm fine with this (when tidied). Much better than the deletion the nom sought anyway. I hope at least one source actually uses "progression_scuptures/series"? Johnbod (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I am fine with this. Wanted to mention tho that Ref #8 has a citation error note. Will change my !vote once this draft gets moved to article space. Netherzone (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC) I corrected the reference in the draft. Netherzone (talk) 21:53, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Johnbod: the Chinati foundation had a big show where the blurb says "the Chinati Foundation will offer an open viewing of Donald Judd’s horizontal wall works (commonly called “progressions”. Other sources say something similar. It might be better in the long run to call it Donald Judd (progression works), as there are many more.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
OK, here we are:Donald Judd (progression sculptures). Now I am off to do some paid work elsewhere!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Assuming the new one sticks I'm happy to delete the old one, but please improve the categories, esp adding the Indianapolis Museum of Art one, or they may freak out. Johnbod (talk) 22:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I've modified my !vote above to D. @ThatMontrealIP: Great idea to create a new and more comprehensive article for the series of works of which this is one Netherzone (talk) 23:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
yes, this article actually says something encyclopedic! Thanks for your input and thanks Johnbod. Next up: Donald Judd (stack sculptures).ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:07, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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Victor E. MarsdenEdit

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This article is a remnant of the chaos User:Ludvikus was strewing around The Protocols of the Elders of Zion for quite a while before he was banned. The content of this article relates to Ludvikus' obsession with using Wikipedia to further his research into the publishing history of the Protocols; pretty much nothing is known about the subject otherwise, and the whole thing can be a sentence in the Protocols article, if even that. "Someone named Marsden is credited with some of the editions." --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 18:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Selective merge if any RSed/non-OR material here doesn't appear in the main article already. This is definitely original research, about someone who clearly doesn't seem to be notable. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 21:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
    Yeah. It's really a shame, too. Ludvikus was an intrepid researcher, gleaning all sorts of interesting detail (and less interesting marginalia) about the Protocols and their publication. But working with Wikipedia was not in his constitution, I think. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 23:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Sara NaveedEdit

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No coverage in WP:RS. Fails WP:NWRITER. Störm (talk) 13:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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Nick NantonEdit

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Promotional/branding "profile" for a professional promoter of "branding" services; I strongly suspect undisclosed COI editing. Orange Mike | Talk 18:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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Wayne Gerard TrotmanEdit

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Seems to be a resume type article. Much of the purported notability in the article is unsourced tbh. Most of the citations are primary, could not find anything myself other than some book.google.com searches of novels that he self published. Google search only yields author press bio on Goodreads and Amazon. Editor who maintains the page only edits on other pages that pertains to this guy. Due to the size of the article but lack of citations, I would also assume that the editor is a fan/know the subject. BriefEdits (talk) 04:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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Edith CovenskyEdit

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The article makes a lot of notability assertions. She's a senior lecturer at Wayne State, which is not enough for WP:ACADEMIC, not by itself. She's written many books of poetry, which works for WP:AUTHOR if the books meet the guidelines - and it's not at all clear that they do. Gbooks turns up very little - a mention in the Remington Registry which Google results indicate is a Who's Who scam; the entire entry is full of flowery prose. There's not much to support WP:AUTHOR; being published in a "distinguished literary journal" is not sufficient since WP:NOTINHERITED, there's a book about her poetry with zero reviews on Amazon. I don't see much discussion of her work in Gbooks, something I'd expect from a poet that meets authoring notability guidelines. I can find nothing to support WP:GNG. Please note that an editor with the name of the author has heavily edited the article so take all notability claims with grains of salt. Mr. Vernon (talk) 04:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Delete Totally not notable. I couldn't even find anywhere that had excerpts of her poetry. Not that it would matter for notability, but as supposedly one of the most prolific modern Hebrew poets you'd think there would be something out there. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
    Adamant1, as pointed out below, "Under a Silky Sky: The Symbolist Poetry of Edith Covensky" is available at Amazon.com. Not only did she write poems, but others are writing about her poems. Sir Joseph (talk) 04:07, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
    @Sir Joseph:, I saw "Under a Silky Sky" on Amazon. It's not clear how much of a unique work it is, or if it's just an anthology of her poems with an introduction and minor commentary by the editor/translator of it. Going by the preview it only has like a half a page at the beginning of commentary and then it's just translations into English of her poems. I wouldn't say her work being translated into English makes her notable on it's own. I can't speak for the other sources mentioned though, but if it just comes down to like 3 sources, one or two of which are just English translations of her work with minor commentary, that's still questionably notable IMO. Especially for someone that's supposedly so prolific as she is. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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  • Comment For further searching purposes: Her name seems to be אדית קובנסקי in Hebrew and ‎Idit Ḳovensḳi (in Romanian?). There might be some Hebrew or Romanian sources out there, but I'm just not sure to what extent. But I don't think English searches are going to shed a ton of light on a Hebrew poet.
There is one book about her work from a Jewish Studies professor (Under a Silky Sky: The Symbolist Poetry of Edith Covensky) and a collection of her poetry (The Poetry of Edith Covensky by Edouard Codish), but I can't find much else other than these 2 Hebrew mentions I can't read: Some sort of magazine/journal and maybe an Israel Literature periodical, and a piece included in the Journal of the Israel Association of Writers in English. - Whisperjanes (talk) 03:37, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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  • Keep. The book -- and articles -- about her work is sufficient for notability. Additionally, there are multiple books of her's listed on Worldcat [1]. but I cannot judge the importance of their publishers, and the holdingsin American libraries of Hebrew-language poets is not a good indication of anything. search for reviews would need to be made in periodicals in languages that I do not read. Does the nominator? DGG ( talk ) 18:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Chris Macdonald (scientist & author)Edit

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Highly promotional article that failed AfC as non-notable. Sources do not indicate notability, most of them are sources directly from the subject of the article. CatcherStorm talk 01:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Comment The article has now been updated to include reputable sources - including popular podcasts, peer reviewed scientific papers, and film and tv credits. Please proceed with article submission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrybakerpoet (talkcontribs) 02:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. The vast majority of references are articles and papers by him. I didn't find any independent coverage about him. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Emmett RensinEdit

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After nearly four years as a stub, including only one minor newsworthy citation from 2016, this article does not appear to meet the notability criteria for an article on a living person. Cmholm (talk) 20:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Keep: the subject meets WP:BIO, which requires "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject", by virtue of the three articles about his 2016 Twitter controversy cited in the article. A better argument for deletion would rest on WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLP1E, but in this case neither applies since—as I've now edited the article to make clear—Rensin was the author of a 2009 book that itself received significant coverage in reliable sources, and so meets not only WP:GNG but also WP:AUTHOR. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Kira Ein Hund Namens MoneyEdit

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One review is cited for this book, but I can’t find any others and it does not seem that this work passes WP:NBOOK. Mccapra (talk) 08:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Delete I haven't found any reliable sources except for the one in the refs. Also checked German sources - same. The writer is notable, this could be a merger, but there's no article on him in En Wiki.Less Unless (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Iftikhar-ul-Hasan KandhlawiEdit

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Non notable Indian Islamic scholar. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 16:23, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Keep The refs in the article itself are enough to keep this article about an Islamic preacher and religious leader. Major Indian Newspaper Amar Ujala, Dainik Jagran, Hindustan Dainik have done several articles meeting wP:SIGCOV on this subject. let me provide some major quotes. [2] says "he was a major islamic scholar and a messenger of religous unity", "lakhs of people from Shamli and adjoining districts joined the funeral procession".[3] Hindustan Dainik says, "lakhs of people following Islam and other religions joined the funeral",[4] "his funeral procession was attended by the local administration, politicians and a huge crowd from several neighbouring districts", [5] says "Mourning ceremonies were even conducted by Hindu leaders in Delhi", [6] says "he had more than 50 thousand students over his lifetime", "Has several lakh followers in India and abroad", "established more than 25 Islamic schools" Dainik Jagran says that politicians used to visit him for meetings [7]. All these are clear evidence that the subject is easily passing wP:GNG. ⋙–DBigXray 16:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC) (updated ⋙–DBigXray 09:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC))
  • Delete. I respectfully disagree. Having searched the net for references in the languages I know, I am convinced that he fails to meet Wikipedia’s notability criteria. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep I agree with the argument presented above by User:DBigXray. There is lots of news coverage for this person. Ngrewal1 (talk) 20:51, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Rasheed OgunlaruEdit

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article about a "life coach"--probably not notable, and certainly very highly promotional, even for articles in this subject. I don't think there is a single independent reference usable to show notability DGG ( talk ) 19:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Delete Promotional article created by a single purpose account about an non-notable life coach and author. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fails GNG. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 12:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Abdul MilaziEdit

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no evidence of notability. No substantial independent references. He wrote one chapter of a book. DGG ( talk ) 19:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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Inam R SehriEdit

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I fear that all that can be said is that he has been a prolific author of books that he publishes himself (via Grosvenor House Publishing). (His website.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Agree - Somewhat sadly. A lot of effort has been put in, but his books are self published through what looks like a vanity press. Can’t see much about him otherwise. Unless someone can provide some actual evidence of notability. Also the article is very poorly formatted. Locochoko (talk) 12:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Anouk ClaesEdit

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Lack of notability. Two of the cites are self published; the third led nowhere. Note tat there is an academic of the same name who is, in all probability, more notable.TheLongTone (talk) 14:49, 21 February 2020 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 15:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

The "second nomination" is a sorta mistake; I tried to nominate a moment ago but Twinkle failed tol follow thru.TheLongTone (talk) 15:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
She has written six books:
Publications by and about Anouk Claes in the catalogue Helveticat of the Swiss National Library
She is a bestseller author. [8]
She is famous in Swiss. She was often in German TV. One you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18DRIIsVhMY
It is only a translation of German Wikipedia article, which exists already several years. Wega14 (talk) 15:22, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
So, if she is famous you really should be able to come up with some decent references. A Youtube clip is, to put it very politely, not good enough.TheLongTone (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
well in external links there you can find deutschlandfunk.de, Eine Lange Nacht über Krankheit, Heilung und Gesundheit: Befund und Befindlichkeit see also deutschlandfunk
please notice, she is famous in Swiss. Swiss is a different culture. Majority of people in Swiss believe in such things. She is working in Swiss in normal hospitals. There she is has a own room. Please respect, there are different cultures. Wega14 (talk) 15:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
I've always thought of the Swiss as rational.TheLongTone (talk) 15:36, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, they are. But also police using there such mediums for work. In medicine, they are using such mediums. Company working against corruption with mediums and so on. Some Mediums are big pop stars in Swiss, they are in TV, they can fill big halls with several thousands of people. Wega14 (talk) 15:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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  • Delete. Fails GNG. The article cites no substantial coverage in reliable sources. The Deutschlandfunk piece is a passing mention.
Contrary to what Wega14 writes, the Swiss are not significantly more or less likely to believe in paranormal stuff or fringe science than other Western nations, not that this would matter for our purposes.
Claes is covered in the German Wikipedia because their inclusion criteria are less restrictive than ours for authors: basically, anybody who's published two fiction books or four nonfiction books with a regular publisher gets an article (de:Wikipedia:Relevanzkriterien#Autoren). That's not how we measure notability.
Also, as a Swiss person, I can affirm that this author is in no way "famous". She's unknown to me, at least. Sandstein 15:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
If you are from Swiss (well German Swiss part), why don't you watch this here? [9] It is from a big German TV Channel only about Anouk Claes. Who is able to get that? Wega14 (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
This is a 10 minute Youtube video of what looks like excerpts of one or several old German TV documentaries with an ugly watermark added. We cannot cite that as a source in the article for several reasons (WP:SPS, linking to copyright violations), and we cannot use clips somebody on Youtube stitched together even for notability purposes: we have no way of determining how true this Youtube clip is to its source(s), especially as regards the article subject. We'd need to find a copy of the original film, and some information about its authorship and editorial oversight, etc., and then determine whether it amounts to significant coverage in reliable sources. And I for one am not going to watch 2+ hours of old German TV for that purpose. If this person is notable, there will be coverage of her in written sources. Sandstein 17:22, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
This video is part one of 6 parts. It was a documentary film only about Anouk Claes, made by a big German TV Channel called 3sat. Wega14 (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
I found the video on an original place here [10] . This is the homepage of srf.ch , a big Swiss TV Channel. The title of the documentary film is: "Clairvoyant: Anouk Claes - A life in two worlds". And here is the wiki-page of SRF: Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen Wega14 (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
And I found a description of ARD (TV Channel), that this movie was in program at 29.10.2013: [11] see also ARD (broadcaster). Wega14 (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment Sandstein: Swiss are not significantly more or less likely to believe in paranormal stuff or fringe science than other Western nations - according to the Wellcome Global Monitor, Switzerland has one of the lowest levels of belief in the safety of vaccines in Europe (and well below US levels).--Goldsztajn (talk) 10:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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  • Delete Fails GNG. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 17:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep Notability exists. She has written six books with regular publisher and is a bestseller-author. She got own TV-Shows in big TV-Channels. She has a German Wikipedia article for years. The criteria in German Wikipedia are much harder than in English Wikipedia. (see discussion above) It seems to me, that the discussion here is more about the subject, not the notability. Wega14 (talk) 11:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment There is still another publisher: Ansata Munich [12] , which is a branch of randomhouse .Wega14 (talk) 10:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Allinti was a branch of Brockhaus, but with a special subject. Such books are bestsellers. Don't know, why you think, that we can't count, because it isn't a subject you like. Wega14 (talk) 10:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
If I understand correctly Ansata is a division of Random House that publishes similar "wellness" industry texts. I can't determine immediately if Allinti is a division of Brockhaus, but I'll WP:AGF. However, for me, this does not change the fact that the texts are under an imprint which cannot be considered reliable. If it was verifiable that these were some of the highest selling texts within this subject, that might make the publications notable. But there is no evidence of sales. By themselves, the texts cannot be considered reliable publications (they are on a level of self-published work in my view). --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment The TV-Channels, which sent TV-Shows about Anouk Claes, are very serious TV-Channels, high culture channels. Wega14 (talk) 11:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Anouk Claes is studied, worked for years for Clinic in Basel, which is one of the biggest in Swiss. She is established. Wega14 (talk) 11:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Wega14 - I have not made a decision on my !vote here, but there seem to be a lot of assertions. What do you consider to be the best three sources that establish the WP:notability of Anouk Claes? Please provide just three that address the points raised in WP:BASIC.--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Very difficult, if you can't understand German: Best I would say is Clairvoyant: Anouk Claes - A life in two worlds (German)"". on SRF: Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen. This is a high quality documentary film made about Anouk Claes with around 50 Minutes. It was sent in some German High Culture Channels. One of them you can read here Movie-Description at ARD-Channel see also ARD (broadcaster) translation: "Anouk Claes, born in Belgium, has lived in Basel for many years, where she studied psychology and theology at the university. At the same time, she lives in a world of - as she says - "fine material beings": She sees deceased people, can see through living people, recognize energy flows and emotions, and from this she can deduce the state of health of those concerned. Jakob Bösch, head physician of the external psychiatric services in Basel, has been gathering experience in working with "perceptive faculties" for years. For him, Anouk Claes is the greatest sensitive talent he has encountered so far. The two now carry out therapies together, including at the Bruderholz clinic in Basel. Rosemarie Pfluger shows in the documentary film "Hellsichtig (clairvoyant)" how Anouk Claes succeeds in helping people to heal themselves. A film by Rosemarie Pfluger". Alone that last one I would say, should be already enough. Wega14 (talk) 11:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment And second may be this here: deutschlandfunk.de see also Deutschlandfunk translation of part of article: "Psychiatric Clinic Basel Land. Fourth floor. A long corridor. The door signs indicate the functions of the staff: Senior physician, ward nurse, head physician Dr. Jakob Bösch. Then a room with the door sign "Healer".

Anouk Claes: "They call me that. I myself do not use the word. I assume that I am giving the person, in the moment he is with me, the right thing. It happens of course that I cannot help people. For example: I had an elderly woman who was going blind, I can't do anything about it. But I helped her accept it in the end. Anouk Claes has accompanied the psychiatrist Jakob Bösch in many first anamnesis of a patient:

Jakob Bösch: "It's true that working with a healer has advantages from a professional point of view, because I can see the connections far more deeply. For some patients, a chance of healing only arises from this cooperation. With many patients, for example with chronic depression, with chronic pain, we hardly make any progress. This is seldom the case with the healer."

Energetic healing is provocative because it does without any material influence and thus turns the world view of orthodox medicine upside down. Natural science assumes that human beings are purely material beings and therefore require material intervention to heal diseases. Material are all chemical medicines, but also natural remedies, radiation or operations. A mental-spiritual view of man leads to other methods of treatment. Energetic healers do not inject, do not prescribe ointments or pills. On the surface, they do nothing that people expect from a helpful treatment. The spectrum of healing methods ranges from praying, laying on of hands to trance healing. Some people seem to have the gift of being able to positively influence illnesses without medication or physical aids.

The homepage of Anouk Claes

Healers try to strengthen the self-healing powers of the patient. Some see themselves as a channel for a helpful divine energy, others speak of a strengthening stream of love, which they channel into the body and soul of the patient. They suspect that chronically ill people are stuck in mental injuries. These insults lead to negative thought and action patterns. If these become chronic, physical symptoms often arise.

Jakob Bösch: "We have an abundance of experimental data that prove that we can have a mental, or one can also say mental, effect on other organisms, on humans, on animals, on plants. We know a lot about light communication between cells, about electromagnetic fields that we have in and around us, but to describe these things in detail still means a lot of work.

Jakob Bösch, psychiatrist and emeritus private lecturer at the University of Basel, was and is a passionate supporter of classical medicine. Today, he says: "Conventional medicine has left the path of experiential science in some areas. When it comes to spiritual healing methods, the unprejudiced stocktaking has given way to a faithlike defensive attitude.

Jakob Bösch: "One is a priori for or against, and one cannot convince people of anything else with scientific studies. The change takes place through personal life. Be it that you get sick yourself, that a child gets sick, that you perhaps have patients who experience an impressive improvement through, for example, complementary medicine treatment or spiritual healing - this is how the changes happen, but not through study results. There is a structure within us that is usually too rigid."

  • Comment the last one is also a high culture broadcaster in Germany. Read the text, what they talking about Anouk Claes. It is so astonishing, so new. And they use it in normal medicine, in normal clinic (one of the biggest in Swiss) for years with big success. And they can help people, they couldn't help before. Alone that information is so important ... Wega14 (talk) 11:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment In Swiss they have hundreds of mediums with own education-places (here a small list [13]). It is an old tradition in Swiss, depends on the Alps, where they developed such a culture over hundred of years. And I would say, Anouk Claes belongs in Swiss to top ten mediums. Wega14 (talk) 12:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete Wega14 - I've tried to summarise your points here. As far as I can see you have only indicated two reliable sources. I managed to find one more which I have included. However, from what I can see so far, there is not a threshold to cross WP:BASIC. I'm open to reconsidering my !vote, but so far there is simply not enough to justify an article.
Source Title Date Comment Reliable Source Significant Coverage
1. SRF Anouk Claes – Ein Leben in zwei Welten 01.02.2005 (rebroadcast on ARD 29.10.2013) 50 minute piece examining work of Anouk Claes by national public broadcaster. Somewhat dated (15 years old), but rebroadcast strengths relevance.   Yes   Yes
2. Deutschlandfunk Eine Lange Nacht über Krankheit, Heilung und Gesundheit – Befund und Befindlichkeit 22.04.2017 Article is a discussion of alternative therapies used in conjunction with medical practices. Single paragraph quote from Anouk Claes, but no specific discussion of the notability or significance of Claes' work as a healer. No indication that Claes is working with any medical specialist other than Jakob Bösch; no indication that Claes is actually accredited in the hospital other than as someone brought in by Bösch.   Yes   No
3. Dien Medium Dein Medium 2019 (?) No mention of Anouk Claes that I could find, but even if there, the source cannot be considered reliable.   No   No
4. Badener Tagblatt Mein Körper ist wie eine geölte Maschine 26.02.2018 Profile of massage therapist Katja Stoll of Baden in Swiss regional news service. Passing mention of Anouk Claes: Stoll has been "studying spiritual healing and self-healing with Anouk Claes for six years. The well-known psychologist is known for her special talent for perception."   Yes   No

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R. C. UnnithanEdit

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FFailed to pass WP:NPOL WP:GNG Padavalam Kuttan Pilla  Talk  18:35, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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  Comment: If you have more reliable sources that prove his notability, you can submit here. I admit Adoor Gopalakrishnan is a notable person.but that doesn't transfer here-- Padavalam Kuttan Pilla  Talk  16:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Padavalamkuttanpilla - can you please describe what WP:BEFORE, in particular parts B and D, you did before nominating?--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Padavalamkuttanpilla - your userpage indicates you are a native speaker of Malayalam - I can only access RC Unnithan's obitary via a poor Google translate, but what is there indicates notable activities throughout his life, which could be verified (although mostly from Malayali sources). Did you explore this? Why do you see nothing notable there? --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:POLOUTCOMES. My understanding of the consensus is that, absent significant coverage, mayors of even medium-sized cities like this subject are not automatically notable. Bearian (talk) 17:28, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable politician. Fails WP:NPOL & WP:GNG. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 20:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Bearian I don't understand your comment: "even medium-sized cities like this subject". The subject was an advocate (lawyer), AITUC/CITU trade unionist, writer and CPI(M) candidate, solely applying NPOL is not appropriate here. He was deemed worthy enough of attention to be imprisoned during the Emergency. His prison diary is a notable text held in multiple libraries. The difficulty is that the vast majority of text concerning him is in Malayali, but that is not a limit to his notability.--Goldsztajn (talk) 09:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
    Goldsztajn, None of those common posts merit an article. FYI, According to Amnesty International, 140,000 people had been arrested during the twenty months of emergency. I am sure you don't mean that all these are fit to get an article. ⋙–DBigXray 12:37, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
DBigXray - there's a vast difference between being arrested and spending almost two years in gaol. --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Goldsztajn, As you can see I have not yet made up my mind on this AfD and still sitting on the fence. I wanted to point the obvious thing that came to my mind after reading your comment. Being a popular activist or a notable author does merit an article but someone needs to establish this that he is a cut above the rest. ⋙–DBigXray 12:47, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep, seems to satisfy WP:GNG per sources provided by Goldsztajn. I must also add, nowhere does it state or has been argued that he was a mayor of anywhere, so I do not understand what Bearian is alluding to. From what I gather he seems to be primarily a trade unionist. Tayi Arajakate Talk 17:47, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 16:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Repeating the (insufficient) text of the nomination is inadequate; especially given that this AfD is contested. This is not a vote.--Goldsztajn (talk) 21:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes. Its not a vote. So I voted delete and said why I have voted.S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 03:12, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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Lori BorgmanEdit

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Survived AfD in 2009 but notability is still not clear to me. Mccapra (talk) 11:39, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Keep. As far as I could tell, she satisfies WP:AUTHOR as having significant reviews for at least one of her books (Kirkus & PW). Her books have been translated into several languages, and have been discussed in at least one other book by a different author (ISBNs 9780786480647). If you Google her you'll most likely find articles she's written for The Union Leader, Lima Ohio, or Chicago Tribune, but that's no reason to discount the AUTHOR argument. Children's book authors can be notable too, you know! PK650 (talk) 22:39, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
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Gerda BoyesenEdit

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Practitioner of what looks like fringe science psychology. Notability per WP:BIO not apparent. Essentially unsourced (WP:V). The two references are about her teachings, not herself. Created by Meco (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), who has been banned by the Wikimedia Foundation according to their talk page, and indef-blocked by ArbCom since 2013. Sandstein 18:22, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • delete per nom. I simply struck my previous position above, but it seems that wasn't enough. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 02:26, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Bibek OjhaEdit

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Not notable. No independent RS coverage. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

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Diana Morgan (novelist)Edit

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Except for the link in the article I haven't found any other mentions. Therefore the subjects fails WP:GNG as well as WP:AUTHOR. Less Unless (talk) 21:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Keep on the pragmatic grounds that this pseudonym needs to be distinguished from UK romance writer Diana Morgan (writer). PamD 12:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. If, for some reason, they need to be distinguished from the other Diana Morgan, then a note of their existence can be added to Diana Morgan (writer). Clarityfiend (talk) 06:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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MI Abdul AzeezEdit

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Non notable Jamaat-e-Islami Hind worker. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 21:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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