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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.)

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, and you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:".

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

Contested technical requests

But there are reliable sources like this which name the award as "Rashtriya Khel Protsahan Puruskar", and I don't know if would need a correction? It is just a different spelling. ─ The Aafī (talk) 08:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 30 November 2020" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the article:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. As a malformed move request, it may be subject to early closure on procedural grounds.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 30 November 2020

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 30 November 2020

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 30 November 2020

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2020‎ (UTC)

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Any additional comments:

This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 30 November 2020

– why Example (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 30 November 2020

– why Example (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting can be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures). When a discussion has been relisted a bot partially underlines the "Discuss" link in the lists of debates: (Discuss).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.


  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 58 discussions have been relisted, indicated by (Discuss)

November 30, 2020

  • (Discuss)Arcadia (disambiguation)Arcadia – There is no primary topic here given the views[[2]] and the fact that there are over 100 entries on this DAB page. The modern region only seems to get around 10% of the views and wouldn't be that much less if the ancient region was taken as being a sub topic of it. The modern region gets 12,597 but Arcadia (utopia) has 9,624, Arcadia, California has 5,140 (though its common name may be with the state), Arcadia (play) gets 4,644 and Arcadia (band) gets 4,502. Arcadia Group has a staggering 34,525 and its likely that that is usually only called "Arcadia" and that's the term I searched for when I read in the news that it is on the brink of bankruptcy. This is probably recentism but as can be seen the modern region's views has gone up[[3]] probably from people seeking the group. Google only shows the group, Images mainly shows the group but the utopia and California are there and Books appears to show mainly the play but the region(s) are there. Although the utopia meaning is derived from the region it does have long-term significance to and the region has a population of 86,685 but the city in California has 56,364, although that is also named after the region there is no indication that all the uses do and even if they did being the original isn't determinative. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Netball in Hong KongHong Kong national netball teamNeutral nomination made on behalf of new editor Lbol10 (talk · contribs) based on his question at the Teahouse, I wish to change the page name of 'Netball in Hong Kong' to 'Hong Kong national netball team' to better reflect the content of the page - how can I do this?[4]Lbol10 (talk) 04:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Tale of the Princess KaguyaThe Tale of the Princess Kaguya (film) – As of October 2020, the article gets roughly 25% more page-views than that of the 1,100-year-old literary work from which it is adapted, which is far less than the requirement to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC based on page-views alone. It is fairly well-established Wikipedia practice to fully disambiguate titles rather than looking for "natural" disambiguation by trying to establish whether one work is more widely called by one name and the other by another name when both are widely referred to be each other's name, so the current situation is not really tenable. (Strictly speaking, The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter is the name of a specific literary work, and the folk-tale/legend that is retold in said work, but also in several other pre-modern texts, is more widely referred to as either "Princess Kaguya" or "The Tale of Princess Kaguya", and this latter story is the basis for a number of modern retellings. English Wikipedia currently, clumsily and partly the fault of yours truly, lumps the two together in a single article.) Moreover, the previous RM shows that even back in 2013 when the film was actively making news, even those who advocated for the then-unofficial English release title did not consider this film to be the primary topic of that title. The current title is the result several clumsy, undiscussed moves that went against the consensus of the previous RM -- not only against the majority opinion and close statement, but even against the minority opinion.[5][6][7][8] That said, other films based on the story such as Princess from the Moon and Queen Millennia#Animated film are nowhere near as well-known outside Japan as this one, and seem to be rarely if ever called The Tale of Princess Kaguya in English-language sources, so there is probably no need to disambiguate from this title from them. Hijiri 88 (やや) 07:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BD2412 T 03:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

November 29, 2020

  • (Discuss)Semicolon (EP); (Semicolon) – The official name for this EP is called "; [Semicolon]". I'm choosing either which page to move to, either "; (Semicolon)" as a restricted title since "[" and "]" are restricted or just "; Semicolon". Those two names seem to be already the common name, also the full name for this title. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 22:56, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)HemeproteinHemoprotein – This is a procedural nomination, after the proposed speedy renaming of Category:Hemoproteins to Category:Hemeproteins was declined by User:Neodop. They note that "The article was moved to "hemeprotein" because that is the name of the Medical Subject Heading (MeSH) in the US as decided by a librarian many years ago. However, the common name is and has always been "hemoproteins" and Google Books shows a 10:1 ratio in favor, so the article has the wrong name, not the category." Either the article should be moved back or the proposed category rename should go ahead. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. SITH (talk) 16:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2020 Nagorno-Karabakh warSecond Nagorno-Karabakh War – By far the name most supported by editors, "Second Nagorno-Karabakh War" is the name of the article of the Azerbaijani Wikipedia page and is included as an alternate name on the Armenian Wikipedia page. I would also venture to say that it is the most popular name in Azerbaijan, and the country's President Ilham Aliyev has used this name already. Furthermore, it makes no sense that the First Nagorno-Karabakh War was moved and this article was not. The first war happened 30 years ago, and it was never referred to as the "First War" until two months ago, and yet it was moved. Meanwhile, some people were already talking about this conflict as the "Second War" from the first days it started. Super Ψ Dro 14:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Zeynep Tugçe BayatZeynep Tuğçe Bayat – Spelling mistake in the title. I don't know why but it doesn't let me move the page because one of the characters is on a blacklist. The problematic character (ğ) is also used in this article, Ertuğrul, so I don't know what the problem is here. Limorina (talk) 12:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)List of GM-EMD locomotivesList of EMD locomotives – "EMD" is used throughout the project in locomotive model names, including in titles, it is the current official form (GM hasn't owned it since 2005) and most commonly used form, and it is unambiguous in this context. -happy5214 10:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ming JieBrent Hsu – "Ming Jie" by itself is the incorrect romanization of the person's name, which should be Hsu Ming-chieh as shown in IMDb; additionally, Hsu has been using "Brent Hsu" as his English name and stage name, with his own Instagram name as @brenthsu. LuciferianThomas (talk) 09:09, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)P. F. Chang's China BistroP. F. Chang's – Literally everybody calls this place just "P.F. Changs". Almost nobody includes "China Bistro" at the end. Additionally, the chain's website is, and the company identifies itself using this name. (talk) 00:33, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

November 28, 2020

  • (Discuss)President of the Republic of ChinaPresident of Taiwan – and spin out content before 1949 to Head of state of the Republic of China (1912-49). Do similar for other government positions, such as the Vice President of the Republic of China, Premier of the Republic of China. The proposal complies with the 5 naming WP:CRITERIAs of article titles. Recognizability: Taiwan is the most recognizable name of the country. Republic of China is not recognizable and often confused with the People's Republic of China. Naturalness: President of Taiwan is the most commonly used name for the current position in reliable sources.'President of Taiwan' 43000 Results.[15]. 'President of the Republic of China'[16] only 18100 Results, while many of those actually uses the form 'President of the Republic of China (Taiwan)' or is about Sun yet-sen. Precision:The current title is imprecise. Between 1925 to 1948, the head of state was not called the President. It was 'Chairman of the Nationalist Government'. Conciseness:President of the Taiwan is shorter. Consistency:The proposal is consistent with the articles Taiwan and Republic of China (1912-49). Also consistent with president articles of other countries, which use the common name of the country instead of the full title. Dave3753 (talk) 23:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Abraham's wellAbraham's Well – This article uses Abraham's well for the biblical story and Abraham's Well for the specific location in Beersheba. So far so good. The RM is submitted since the article is mostly about a specific location in Beersheba (with impacts also for other databases) and the story is brought in essence as background. Hence, our entry title should be Abraham's Well. Abraham's Well is already written this way above the infobox. The article should be moved as well. I did not touch anything. Running this through RM for community consensus! gidonb (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Seo Ye-jiSeo Yea-ji – This is my first Requested moves, so please correct me if I am wrong. I will write the reasons point wise. *According to the artist's official website her name is spelled as Seo Yea-ji. Many users may cite WP:COMMONNAME to oppose, so I will like to say that it is not about name, it is largely about the spelling. *There has been subsequent attempts by IP/unregistered users to change the spelling. See [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24]. *Her latest drama and the most popular one – It's Okay to Not Be Okay was released on Netflix and according to drama's official page on Netflix her name is spelled as Seo Yea-ji. *Point 2 and 3 can be linked, It's Okay to Not Be Okay is her most popular drama, which significantly brought her international fame. This can be seen in the difference between number of times this article has been accessed from 1 January 2019 to 31 May 2020 – 314,463 and from 1 June 2020 to 27 November 2020 – 1,734,671. Her drama was released in June 2020. So, it could be that most of the people watched her name in the credits of TV series and when they read wikipedia they thought to correct it. *One solution which most of you may suggest is that spelling should according to what is mostly used by reliable sources. So, I will like to mention that Wikipedia has become a source now, so many international media may spell her name as Seo Ye-ji after first refering to Wikipedia, but few sources and reliable ones, also spell her name as Seo Yea-ji, example – see last paragraph *Thank you. -ink&fables «talk» 18:51, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Badara, ArtsakhBadara, Azerbaijan – Move from Artsakh to Azerbaijan as that is where the village is internationally recognised to be. Could also be "Badara, Khojaly", but since there's no Badara in other parts of Azerbaijan, the country name seems fine. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)ClipperClipper ship – Per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NOPRIMARY and WP:ASTONISH. "Clipper ship(s)" is the common name of the ship in a generic context as demonstrated by the fact that Britannica uses "Clipper ship". "Clipper ship(s)" is also commonly used on Wikipedia such as Template:Clipper ships, List of clipper ships, and List of people who sailed on clipper ships and several qualified titles such as Torrens (clipper ship). And in the previous RM many users said that they thought "Clipper ship" was the common name anyway and a significant number of sources use "Clipper ship(s)". Clipper ship has 187 total incoming links and 150 mainspace links. Clipper ships has 33 total incoming links and 27 mainspace links. At Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 September 8#Category:Wool clippers there was a proposal to merge "Category:Wool clippers" to Category:Clippers suggesting editors expect the tool not the ship to be what "Clipper(s)" refers to. "Clipper ship(s)" appears 58x in the article (excluding the externals links, template and Commons links). Even if one was to assume that "Clipper" alone is the most appropriate title for the ship the ship fails WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:ASTONISH. Google returns things like tea, lighters and the other tools, Images returns the lighter and hair clippers. Books on the other hand does mainly return the ship but as noted above most of those use "Clipper ship(s)" for the ship anyway. Many editors argued that "Clipper" alone refers to the ship but that clearly isn't true since hair and nail clippers are also called "Clipper(s)" alone if the context is clear, I have a hair clipper kit and it says "8 piece clipper kit" without mention to "Hair clipper" in other words the ship is only called "Clipper(s)" alone if the context is clear which also applies to the other types, if this was an encyclopedia about ships then we may well use "Clipper" alone just like we might use "Clipper" alone if we were an encyclopedia about hair cutting etc. The ship has 8,933 views but Clipper (electronics) has 3,241 (suggesting its not "much more likely than any other"), Clipper (lighter) has 2,999, Clipper (programming language) has 1,464, Clipper (automobile) has 54, Clipper (video game) has 40, Clipper, Washington has 25, Clipper (steam automobile) has 22 and Clipper (nickname) has 15. That makes 7,862 views for topic qualified v 8,933 for the ship. Hair clipper has 4,187 and Nail clipper has 3,751. [[25]] So even if you assume that the ship is usually called "Clipper(s)" alone and hair and nail clippers aren't known as "Clipper(s)" very often there is still unlikely to be a primary topic by usage and the tools also have long-term significance, quite probably more than the ship again because their every day items unlike the 19th century ship. Also Clipper chip has 3,119 views and Los Angeles Clippers has 39,748 but those probably aren't known as "Clipper(s)" very much at least the sports team probably isn't known as "Clipper" (singular) much. The ship fails ASTONISH because its not well known relative to the cutting devices (and also fastening ones but we don't appear to cover those) hair and nail clippers are everyday words while many won't even have heard of the ship, I hadn't until I can across it on Wikipedia. While I realize I made a RM at the DAB page previously that was 17 months ago and was solely about disambiguation while this proposal is also about common name (hence the reason the RM isn't on the DAB page this time) and the previous RM was close with the outcome of no consensus with the reason "The page view stats can support each side" but that also has been addressed by the fact that the ship isn't the only meaning known mainly by this alone in a specific context. I think both the move to "Clipper ship" for the ship and the DAB to plain "Clipper"(A) should both take place but if not I'll provide a list of options below: *A move the ship to Clipper ship and Clipper (disambiguation) to Clipper. *B move the ship to Clipper ship as with A but leave the DAB at Clipper (disambiguation) and allow Clipper to redirect to Clipper ship per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. *C move the ship to Clipper (ship) and the DAB page to Clipper. This is the same as the last RM but given "Clipper ship" being the common name I don't think that this is needed at least per WP:NATURAL. *Oppose it should be left as is with the ship at Clipper and the DAB at Clipper (disambiguation). Please indicate you're options by putting A, B, C or Oppose per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 32#The utility and accuracy of ranked surveys or even list you're preferred outcomes in order such as "B, A, D, C" in which "D" can be used for "Oppose". Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:51, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)J SharpVisual J Sharp – The article focuses entirely on the Visual J# framework, and even the first line says "Visual J# is an implementation of J#", which is problematic in several ways, not the least of which being that this article should help define J#, rather than immediately use J# to define something else. (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jiren the GreyJiren (Dragon Ball) – I don't have a problem with my action being reverted if it was found to be in error. But if I am found to have jumped the gun, then so has the admin. The original Jiren article has not been edited in any substantial way for more then a decade and appears to be a WP:permastub. WP:Before found passing mentions on some books, and to me, clearly not the WP:primarytopic as the remnants of the old city has fallen into obscurity, assuming that the topic is notable for inclusion on wikipedia in the first place. Haleth (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

November 27, 2020

  • (Discuss)Second Saudi–Yemeni War → ? – As stated in the discussion above, the current title of this article is inappropriate and misleading as it is suggested to the reader that there is a war between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Republic of Yemen. The article describes the attacks of Houthis rebels to Saudi territory, so the title should be in accordance with the situation. In addition, the term "Second Saudi – Yemeni War" is probably an original search: zero Google Scholar results, no references / sources called this the "Second Saudi – Yemeni War". Previously the article was entitled "Saudi Arabian–Yemeni border conflict (2015–present)", but it was claimed that the conflict was no longer restricted to the border region alone due to regular ballistic missile attacks by Houthis in Saudi cities, including Riyadh. It is necessary to find a better title than the current one. --Fontaine347 (talk) 21:03, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jo Ju-binCho Ju-bin – per WP:NCKO, we should be using the spelling that is the common name in English sources. The majority of English sources use Cho Ju-bin. A very small minority use Cho Joo-bin. I haven't yet found one that uses Jo Ju-bin.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 18:09, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Project SCUMProject Sourdough – This article's title appears to fall afoul of edit filter LTA 1053, making it hard to address/discuss/mention this article in any other page on Wikipedia, so it should use the alternate name indicated in the article, "Project Sourdough" instead of the current name "Project SCUM" -- (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)FuggingFugging, Lower Austria – Fucking, Austria has decided to officially change its name as of 1 January 2021 to Fugging. This means that there will now be two places in Austria named Fugging which were previously named Fucking, one in Lower Austria and one in Upper Austria. The proposal is to move the current Fugging article, and defer the move of Fucking, Austria to Fugging, Upper Austria until 1 January 2021. On 1 January 2021, Fugging is to be converted to a dab page, and Fucking, Austria redirected to the new Fugging dab page. Mjroots (talk) 10:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mini Schengen Zone"Mini-Schengen" Area – Most news articles upon a quick Google search refer to the evolving initiative as "mini-Schengen" as this is a nickname not a formal title of the agreement of Southeast European countries. The current title seems to imply this is a formal title. Gimelthedog (talk) 21:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. (t · c) buidhe 05:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Necrotizing vasculitisSystemic vasculitis – I propose back to the title "systemic vasculitis". This title, between 2007 and 2017, this is by far the more common name and, per the principle of least astonishment, we should be using this as our article title. Tom (LT) (talk) 04:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)KhawarijKharijites – Much more common. Even the Encyclopaedia of Islam, which does not shy away from Arabic forms, uses it. Srnec (talk) 03:33, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

November 26, 2020

  • (Discuss)Tony AwardTony Awards – In line with the titling of the Academy Awards, which were moved as the article is as much about the ceremony as the awards themselves. But that's the other reason, because this article is not about a single award but a group of them that are referred to in the collective far more than in the singular, unless the category is being specified. That is, casually someone might say someone won "the Tony", but it's being used as a shorthand for "Tony Award for Best Actor in a Musical" or which ever category is relevant. The articles on the individual awards should remain singular, but this article, as with the Academy Awards, refers to all of them collectively, and should be plural. oknazevad (talk) 23:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Black BelgiansAfro-Belgians – More in line with all the other articles and the established naming convention, also the article is solely about African Belgians (as opposed to Black Belgians from the Americas for example) Abcmaxx (talk) 22:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)MaungawhauMaungawhau / Mount Eden – when material from Mount Eden (the suburb) was split off and made into its own article in February 2015, the move violated the naming policy at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (New_Zealand)#Dual and alternative place names which states that "if there are sources which indicate that a dual name has usage beyond mandatory official usage, put the article at the dual name, with redirects from each of the component names ... if sources do not support use of the dual name, the English name will almost certainly be the one in common usage". The policy therefore suggests a move to "Maungawhau / Mount Eden", since the dual name has usage beyond mandatory official usage (about 10000 hits on Google). If this is argued to not qualify as common usage, then "Mount Eden" is more popular than "Maungawhau" by about a factor of 50 (2,500,000 vs 50,000) and the article should be moved to "Mount Eden (mountain)" instead. Egroeg5 (talk) 20:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Stanisław SkrowaczewskiStanislaw Skrowaczewski – Move back to correct spelling. Although the stroke through the 'l' would be strictly correct in Polish, Skrowaczewski never used it in his international career, and nor do the sources and external links cited in the article, CD covers, concert programmes et cetera. This article appears to have been originally created at the correct spelling, but was then moved without explanation in 2005 by an editor who has otherwise made no contribution to the article. (talk) 17:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. OhKayeSierra (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sinking of the Rainbow WarriorBombing of the Rainbow Warrior – There is a question of whether "sinking" or "bombing" is the more suitable gerund for the French foreign intelligence service blowing up a ship docked in a New Zealand port during peacetime, causing death. The "Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior" seems euphemistic, for this article is hardly a timeline of the ship sinking. I don't know if WP convention suggests "Sinking" (in cases such as the Titanic), but even if it does, I think that this case is sufficiently unusual to merit "Bombing". Egroeg5 (talk) 19:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pen-Ek RatanaruangPen-ek Ratanaruang – The subject's first name is one word in Thai, and the hyphen serves only to show the syllable split. Capitalisation in sources appears quite mixed. In this case, I suggest we should follow the more grammatically correct form. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Legend of Kyrandia: Fables and FiendsThe Legend of Kyrandia – The title of this article is incorrect (it mistakenly assumes the series title "Fables and Fiends" is this series entry title), and the original article location was most consistent with the article titles of other games in the series. Ideally, this "Legend of Kyrandia" article should have links to other games in the series in a hatnote for disambiguation, since the other games are part of the same canon. If an article on all of the Kyrandia games is written, its proper title should be "Fable and Fiends," the official series name. For sources and more information, see the Legend of Kyrandia or Westwood Studios template talk pages. Jellocube (talk) 18:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. Heart (talk) 14:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)John of Austria the YoungerJohn Joseph of Austria – Apparently he is almost never known by this style in the literature (compare Google Books hits for "John Joseph of Austria" and "John of Austria the Younger". John Joseph also better matches the general Spanish convention, Juan José. LookLook36 (talk) 20:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. Heart (talk) 13:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)TheForkDimmi – The page named TheFork is actually a page about the Dimmi company and its history which was bought by TheFork company and has been renamed, [1]. Also the title is confusing because the page does not tell the story of TheFork company but that of Dimmi, it will serves the purpose of letting the people know about the history of the company through the page... Yasminto2000 (talk) 09:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Browns Island (New Zealand)Motukorea / Browns Island – Proposed rename to the island's dual name. This would remove the need for a geographical disambiguation, and would be fitting with WP:NCNZ along with a growing number of New Zealand place articles - including other volcanoes in the Auckland volcanic field, such as Maungakiekie / One Tree Hill. Some volcanoes with dual names do just have the Māori name as the article title, such as Maungawhau for Maungawhau / Mount Eden, but I think in this instance a dual name would be preferable to either the current name or simply 'Motukorea'. While the island does not have any officially gazetted name, the dual name is the most prevalent form of the name, used by media, both local and central government, advocacy groups, and tourism operators. Turnagra (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BD2412 T 05:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

November 25, 2020

  • (Discuss)RajahmundryRajamahendravaram – The page is about a city of Andhra Pradesh. It's name was officially changed from the earlier name (Rajahmundry) to Rajamahendravaram[2]. But the old name is still under usage here as the title. I request moving this page to the present official name Rajamahendravaram which makes it known to the people and also serves the purpose of letting the people know about the history of the city through the page.


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Chinnusaikrish (talk) 15:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

November 24, 2020

  • (Discuss)Mad Max (franchise)Mad Max – This was proposed by User:Czar back in 2015. However, I think there is now much more of a case for moving the series article to main. First of all, Fury Road has since been recognized as one of the best movies of all time, so there's less of an argument that the original film is singular in its pop culture impact, as Fury Road has entered the pop culture lexicon too. Second, there's also an upcoming 2022 film which will undoubtedly attract a high amount of attention as well. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss).NET Core.NET – .NET Core has been officially renamed .NET with its newest version. .NET currently redirects to .NET Framework, which is being deprecated in the future. intforce (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SumqayitSumgait – The letter "q" of Azerbaijani is transliterated as "g" in English. Current name looks like a half-transliteration, half-nativename — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)William Louis Sonntag Sr.William Louis Sonntag – Unnecessary disambiguation. His son William Louis Sonntag Jr. doesn't have a Wikipedia article, so there is no reason for "Sr." to have "Sr." in the article title, especially as the artist is likely more commonly known as just "William Louis Sonntag". Leaving the redirect at "Sr." is fine. --IJBall (contribstalk) 06:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

November 23, 2020

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  • (Discuss)Russo-Circassian WarRussian invasion of Circassia – It should have been changed as an invasion. Russians weren't native of Circassian land at the first place. Besides, Circassians made a fiercely defensive war, not trying to grab a single Russian land at the time. Saying "Russo-Circassian War" is a bit dubious here given the Circassian nature. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 15:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Brandy NorwoodBrandy (singer) – I am re-opening this discussion, as I still (after a long time), find it quite ridiculous that her name here is Brandy Norwood. People, her mononym   is just Brandy, look at all her single and and album covers for God's sake. Do you see her last name on B7? on Two Eleven? No, because its not a name she or her label recognize her by professionally. Do we right "XO (Beyoncé Knowles song)", or "S&M (Rihanna Fenty song)? No. This must be discussed and hopefully changed. Please, everyone comment and try and reach consensus. Williamsburger26 (talk) 00:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. —Nnadigoodluck 11:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mr. Mr (band)Mr.Mr (band) – No space in band name, per sources. Currently, the only time the space appears on the page is in the title. The proposed title was the original title of the page before it underwent through several moves in 2014. Oneforfortytwo (talk) 16:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. SITH (talk) 21:13, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)Iraqi Civil War (2014–2017) → ? – See discussions above. There have been a number of bold moves this year, but no agreement on a title. I have therefore reverted this back to the most recent stable title, which was established via a 2018 RM at Talk:Iraqi Civil War (2014–2017)/Archive 1#Requested move 12 August 2018, with a number of earlier moves on the same page also using similar terminology. And I'm now starting an RM so that interested party can hash this out properly. Note that I have no preference on where this should end up, or indeed if it should be moved at all. Hopefully a consensus will emerge for a title, but in the mean time it should remain at the long-term stable title. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:31, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Relisting. Jerm (talk) 20:45, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kou (name) → ? – Overlapping disambiguators; Kou (name) covers both given names and surnames. Extended rationale below with multiple proposals involving merges/splits and moves; of those, I prefer Option A. Additional proposals welcome. (talk) 03:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)List of tanks of the Soviet Union → ? – Proposed names: Much of this list consists of vehicles that are not tanks by even the most liberal interpretation of the term: infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled artillery pieces, anti-tank guns, and air-defence weapons. The proposed titles fairly accurately encompass most of what is listed here. Headings could also be retitled without guilt (e.g., BMP-2 is not an “amphibious light tank”). Renaming is better than undoing all of the work of compiling this large list. After this rename, I presume there would be some minor inflation including armoured personnel carriers, command, combat engineering, and miscellaneous carriers, or a bigger addition including wheeled vehicles.  —Michael Z. 17:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Freyahdk (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 00:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Knowledge GraphGoogle Knowledge Graph – This article is only about Google's implementation of knowledge graphs. It is also Google house style to give products names that are common nouns (like "Inbox"), and they are generally referred to in formal literature by the full name ("Google Inbox"). It is also WP style to use that full name as the article title. We have a lower-cased article on the concept of a knowledge graph, and there is no need for the confusion of two articles with different cases. – SJ + 03:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. Interstellarity (talk) 11:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)11th Panchen Lama11th Panchen Lama controversy – This move was predicated on the idea that the original move, ten years ago from a DAB and during an apparent DAB/redirect drive, was made without discussion and therefore didn't have consensus. The mover's argument is that because the move in 2010 didn't have a discussion, it made the article inherently unstable at the title 11th Panchen Lama controversy, which is where it was at the past ten years. There has been no apparent pushback to the move in the past ten years. My argument is that this article was stable at the previous title. Leaving this page where it is now requires merge with another page, the biography of the person who was abducted and whose abduction/controversy over the abduction this article described until this morning's move. See discussion above; further discussion at Talk:Gedhun_Choekyi_Nyima#Requested_move_24_October_2020. —valereee (talk) 18:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Broadcast radiationbroadcast storm – Never heard of layer-2 loops or broadcast storms being referred to as “broadcast radiation.” Sounds to me more like a term relating to electro-magnetic radiation. Bwrs (talk) 16:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. -- Calidum 18:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)XenMobileCitrix Endpoint Management – Since 2018, XenMobile has been called Citrix Endpoint Management, per IT Pro, which says, "The cloud-centric company, specialising in workplace digitisation, is rebranding products such as XenApps, XenDesktops and XenMobile to Citrix Virtual Apps, Citrix Virtual Desktops and Citrix Endpoint Management respectively" (bold emphasis mine). I'm submitting this request on behalf of Citrix Systems, as disclosed on the article's talk page. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Aragonese CortsCortes of Aragon – Actual, correct translation (example) and WP:COMMONNAME. Also, all non-English names have the "Cortes" + "of" + "Aragón" structure, so the current title looks weird. (Edited 18:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)). Note WP:NCGAL as well, when it establishes that, for articles on government departments, agencies, and officials, we should Use official names in article titles, and that When writing articles on government bodies or offices with native titles not in English, an English translation should be favored Impru20talk 16:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 15:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sahaj MargHeartfulness Meditation – As per prior discussions on this article and the guidance given by Onel5969, adding a request to delete the redirect in Heartfulness Meditation article and move this page to Heartfulness Mediation. Main reason is, this practice is now popularly known as Heartfulness Meditation. See evidence of this in the discussion below. Xiantec (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC) Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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