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In persian and Azari(Turkish) Languages at least dated back to 500 B.C. (Achaemenid Kings Period Inscriptions) آتش ( Transliteration Âtash) means fire and اُرت (Transliteration Ort which may be shortened and written as ord and od) means Fire (Right Fire or heavenly Fire) Respectively.

From cognitive perspective, ancient iranians believed that heavenly fire is source of fire and was and is symbol of rightousness and cleanliness within zarathustrians

This maybe taken as a clue to the meaning of Odin, Woden, Wood and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Well ... and your point is? Vsmith (talk) 18:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Images in US city articleEdit

I couldn't help but notice you and Moxy working collaboratively over an image at Austin, Texas. As both of you seem more than familiar with image placement on US city articles, I would very much appreciate your input on one of the three RfCs that have been started at Talk:Minneapolis. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Vsmith just had one question as I read your biography and wanted to ask that were you a US.Marine or a teacher in the university of Arizona as your profile tells that, and by the way Wow! I am really stunned after looking at the number of editing you have done in Wikipedia. Actually I am kinda new to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor Tesla (talkcontribs) 15:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

I was a Marine from 1964-67. Obtained a masters degree from the University of Arizona in 1975 and taught optical mineralogy lab as a teaching assistant while a student there. And ... yes, I've done a bit around here since starting editing back in 2004 - learned quite a bit along the way :) Vsmith (talk) 15:10, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

IP in defiance of his/her blockEdit

This is getting pretty upsetting: At the Jackson Pollock talk page here: [1] and edit warring again at the Jackson Pollock article here: [2] and he was warned here: User talk: Please help...Modernist (talk) 01:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Gave the ip a short break. Vsmith (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Ramasethu bridgeEdit

Sir,it is wrong to call ramasethu bridge as Adam's bridge.the name Adam's bridge is given in 1804, but ramasethu is the name given in BCE.IT is good to reconsider your edits — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:33AD:293A:1:0:E3F4:F464 (talk) 12:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

This is the English language wiki and the article uses the English name. Take your concerns to the article talk, but note this has been discussed there before. Vsmith (talk) 12:47, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Shadow biosphereEdit

Hello. I strongly apologise to bother you, but if you don’t mind, I’d like to ask you a favor. It seems that there are some misleading statements in the articles Shadow biosphere and Desert varnish. The citations from them:
Carol Cleland, a philosopher of science at the University of Colorado (Boulder), argues that desert varnish, whose status as living or nonliving has been debated since the time of Darwin, should be investigated as a potential candidate for a shadow biosphere;
It has been suggested that desert varnish should be investigated as a potential candidate for a "shadow biosphere".
I was almost certain it is a kind of misinterpretation or a very poor paraphrase, because the source materials clearly say that according to some scientists the Desert vanish could be a possible product (or effect/trace) of hypothetical microorganisms, but not them. For example:
1. And a promising example is provided by the desert varnish proposed as a target by Cleland and backed by David Toomey in Weird Life. "No laboratory microbiologist has been able to coax bacteria or algae to make desert varnish," he states. "It is also possible that the stuff is the end result of some very weird chemistry but no one has been able to reproduce that either." So yes, these sites could provide proof of the shadow biosphere's existence, he argues (Life on Earth… but not as we know it);
2. Cleland speculates that a microscopic form of life may have been producing desert varnish for eons, but scientists simply haven't figured out how to detect it (Is desert varnish a pathway to detecting 'alien' life?);
3. ‘But these organisms, if they exist, would leave traces in the environment,’ Cleland says. In 2007 in the journal Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences, Cleland wrote about just such a trace: desert varnish (Earth’s aliens);
4. I called these hypothetical microbes a “shadow biosphere" because, like all organisms, they would leave traces (shadows) in their environments, extracting energy and material for metabolic purposes and releasing waste products back into their environments (Five questions for Carol Cleland).
Also, according to the sources Darwin wasn’t exactly wondering if it is living or nonliving, but rather biological or not - it’s not the exact same thing, the citation: Although some scientists have claimed they solved the mystery, Cleland said nobody has really proven what causes it since Darwin himself puzzled over those dark patches of varnish in the 1800s. "He himself was wondering if they were biological," Cleland said. "He might be the first person who wondered if they were biological."
I decided to contact Professor Cleland herself via e-mail, and she explained it a bit more precisely:
1. according to her response, the Shadow biosphere can be understood as composed of organisms and their effects on the environment (thus the Desert varnish can be indeed described as a potential Shadow biosphere, but only in the second meaning, I feel the current sentences are misleading, because the articles describe a Shadow biosphere as hypthetical living organisms);
2. Ms. Cleland wrote that it is not clear whether Darwin was wondering if the Desert varnish is a living thing or a by-product of a living thing, both theories are probable (thus I think more adequate would be using the term biological, or not to avoid any doubts).
Could you take a look on it, and corect these sentences, please? I cannot find anyone who’d be willing to do it. You’re a much more experienced user than me, and additionally I don’t speak English very fluently, so wouldn’t want to make any mistake. I’d be very grateful for your help. Thank you in advance. Kind regards, Jojnee (talk) 01:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

As you have done the investigating ... just jump right in and edit the article using the references you list. You could also add a note to the article talk page explaining your edits and your communication with Ms. Cleland. If your edits have problems due to your professed lack of fluency - others will fix it. Your use of English here seems adequate. Just go for it. Vsmith (talk) 02:58, 8 February 2020 (UTC)


Please friend go the page Spaniards and changed the number about 48 million~ in 340 million the total diaspora spanish descent Hispania Dx (talk) 16:26, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

A question about cutting the gallery because of excess imagesEdit

I noticed when you removed the image gallery in the Bronze article due to and excessive amount of images. I believe it was an excellent edit. I see a similar situation in the Kettle article and I would like to do the same as did you. Is there a Wikipedia image or article guideline that addresses the matter of excessive images or galleries. I do look forward to hearing from you.Hu Nhu (talk) 17:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Image use policy#Image galleries.--Vsmith (talk) 20:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
The Image use policy page was very helpful. The Kettle article is terribly cluttered with images; however, after viewing the suggested gallery in the Women's suffrage in New Zealand, I believe the Kettle article gallery may appropriate if favorably altered. I am not the one to do that, so I will leave matters alone. Thank you for your kind attention.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:35, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

To be clearEdit

I am a former academic, a former logging editor, and a regular contributor to the encyclopedia. Moreover, rather than being anonymous, I am to any wishing to reach me, easily reached at any article that I am editing. Then, per policies dating back to the founding of WP by Wales-Sanger-Kovitz, I would note that non-logging editors have been welcome, with the caveat that they make constructive edits. Per WP policy, one expectation of constructuve edits is a thorough and accurate edit summary. Just as I accept correction from others, including my students and children, when I misspeak or otherwise make a mistake, I likewise encourage others to acknowledge missteps. My doing so should not, per AGF and rectitude with regard to the applicable policies (including policies regarding civility), be cast as "bitchin". Certainly not by one in a position of greater-than-average authority here. Finally, I will note again, as I often do, that the use of capitalization in in-text notes in the markup—by AGF and, arguably, a bit of common sense—can be reasonably undertood as a tool to make non-textual annotation in the markup more visible to follow-on editors. That is, it can and should be understood as a courtesy, and not anything more nefarious. One view. Feel free to delete again. 2601:246:C700:19D:1459:6DF6:5BE1:3CA6 (talk) 06:53, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Postscripts. I am a fellow scientist, you have a great back yard, and thank you for both your service to students and to the U.S. 2601:246:C700:19D:1459:6DF6:5BE1:3CA6 (talk) 06:57, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

OK. To be blunt: due to the abundant vandalism problem around here by ip users, I am suspicious of any ip edit. You would likely find editing as an established editor with a known username a bit less problematic. Just the way it is ... Sorry 'bout that. Cheers, Vsmith (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say. There is nothing about my edits that look like vandalism, if one takes the time to do the diffs. Thus, the policy is sound—unlogged editing is fine, if it is in keeping with the policies and guidlelines of WP. Vis-a-vis the Stainless Steel article, you have to admit, that it is logged editing that has largely created the mess that we are now dealing with. (Logged editors have contributed large blocks of the unsourced content that violates WP:VERIFY.)
That said, please, with regard to our common editing—The stainless article clearly continues to violate WP:VERIFY and WP:OR, and it will until we reach the point that every purported factual statement has an attached inline citation that makes clear from whence the content was drawn.
I state this here, not because you are placing unsourced content, but because there is a temptation to "prettify" the article, before the issues are resolved. So, I would ask—if an extreme tag is no longer applicable (e.g., if "unreferenced" is no longer true, because someone has added one citation to a section), please, do not simply delete the tag. Please, instead, place the next lower tag. Adding one source largely allows the problem to continue, and so a "one source", "refimprove", or other warning is still important to alert readers that the text is not reliable per WP guidelines and policies. Please, help me keep the readers informed as this article slowly moves toward being a decent article. (Right now, I would let students read about two paragraphs of it, no more.) Cheers. 2601:246:C700:19D:F10F:4254:C726:8794 (talk) 00:15, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Help With Weather BoxesEdit

Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with Weather Boxes? Specifically citing. Wikipedia doesn't seem to want to accept my script for citing. Thanks, Old Hoar's FrostOld Hoar's Frost (talk) 15:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Don't do much with those and I don't see where you have been using them in your edit history - so I guess I'm not much help there. Vsmith (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if these are good sourcesEdit

I was trying to find a good source that the kiem is similar to the jian but to no avail, the only sources I have ever found was these sources:

SpinnerLaserz (talk) 20:17, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Err ... why are you asking me? Yeah I spent 22 months in Nam with the USMC back in '65-'67 ... but have no knowledge about this. Sorry 'bout that. Vsmith (talk) 20:30, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Never mind. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 20:32, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

North Cascades and Paleo-americansEdit

FWIW: I think the IP edit version was better than the one you reverted to here: —¿philoserf? (talk) 00:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe so ... but Paleoamerican and Paleo-Americans both just redirect to Paleo-Indians. Vsmith (talk) 02:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Vsmith, Indeed but what was offered by our anonymous editor was simpler and carried the full meaning. —¿philoserf? (talk) 03:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Adams bridgeEdit

Ram setu (added by anon 2409:4060:21d:6bf8:2d45:3e98:7d86:a671)

Well I be. You're welcome. Vsmith (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there... who now lives on McKissick Island? I’m a tv reporter in KC Please write me back with their contact info if you have it?

Sorry, don't have such info. Just came accross that article and added a map. Vsmith (talk) 17:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

"Mica (disambiguation)/version 2" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mica (disambiguation)/version 2. Since you had some involvement with the Mica (disambiguation)/version 2 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC678 01:48, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Gateway Arch National ParkEdit

Hello, I found your profile from checking the list of edits on the above's Wikipedia page. You appear to be a good user to ask this kind of question. I think I have found some information regarding Gateway Arch National Park that is not on Wikipedia anywhere. I would just make the edits myself, but I am new to Wikipedia editing and don't really know how to source properly.

Gateway Arch National Park (GANP from now on) actually consists of two non-contiguous boundaries in St. Louis, Missouri and East St. Louis, Illinois. Both the wikipedia page for GANP and List of national parks of the United States do not mention the park's Illinois territory. I figured that since Yellowstone's MT and ID territories are included, GANP's Illinois territory should be too.

Here are my sources. . Click on that link, and zoom into GANP. My second source is an email from the deputy superintendent of GANP.

I guess my questions are:

1. Is my finding correct? Does Illinois need to be added as one of the states that is part of the park?

2. Are those sources sufficient?

Thank you for your time. WhiteWaterBottle (talk) 17:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

hmm ... the letter says the NPS doesn't own any property and "has no presence". Also the NPS website has no mention of the Illinois property (unless I've missed something). If you can find a WP:reliable source that discusses the Illinois property then we can add something. Vsmith (talk) 20:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. So here is a link to the section of the map I am referring to: . You can see the two green boxes on either side of the Mississippi river that signify the park's territory. Does that change anything? Thank you. WhiteWaterBottle (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
What is needed would be that map, the one the imgur image was from, as it appears to be from an existing National Park Service map. That image - or the map including - it would be a reliable source and would be a useful addition to the article. Vsmith (talk) 23:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
The park on the Illinois side is the Malcolm W. Martin Memorial Park, which is owned by the Metro East Park and Recreation District, not part of the National Park, although it looks like there were originally plans to have part of the park on the Illinois side, they were never carried out. Mikenorton (talk) 10:10, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, "mystery" solved :) Vsmith (talk) 12:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you both for your help. I appreciate it! WhiteWaterBottle (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Firewood changesEdit

Who on earth burns wet wood? There are clear errors in the article which doesn't give Wikipedia a good reputation. And you don't need a ref for the obvious! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but you do need references to support your edits - even things that are "obvious" to you. Vsmith (talk) 16:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


Since when do you need to provide a ref for saying that wet wood won't burn? This is obviously an error....and you have not even bothered to address the issue or reply to messages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

"wet wood"? or green wood? Of course it will burn (both wet and green) - just wastes a bit of energy evaporating the water and pushing it up the chimney. I grew up in a log cabin which was heated by an open fireplace and most of the firewood we used was green. So, who says it won't? Vsmith (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry🙏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samizami2308 (talkcontribs) 12:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)