Removed category?Edit

I’m a little bit confused. Why did you remove the category on the redirect of The Lorax Singers? CheatCodes4ever (talk) 06:28, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

That category doesn’t exist, there’s no mention of the band in the Lorax artice. They’re fictional and aren’t even close to notable. Truthfully, the redirect should be deleted. I wish you could get a grasp of the notability requirements. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 06:54, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh. I wasn’t saying it was notable. I didn’t know the category was fake. But the reason the redirect exists is probably cause they have several streams of their songs on Spotify. That isn’t notable, though, so I guess there is no reason. You are right about how there is no band mention in the page it redirects to. It could redirect to the Soundtrack section, because that’s close, as a lot of the songs on iTunes often say “(feat. The Lorax Singers)” but it dosen’t say that on the articles. So it probably should be deleted. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 09:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


For your revert on the redirect of Bing Bong Zoo, I understand what you mean. I didn’t know that redirects didn’t have that. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 09:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Award: Music BarnstarEdit

  The Music Barnstar
In recognition of your 8 January 2020 assistance with the Sports (Huey Lewis and the News album) article, and your ongoing contributions to the many music articles and categories on Wikipedia, I hereby confer upon you a barnstar. Thank you for all that you do.
Christopher, Sheridan, OR (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

This Barnstar award was placed on your talk page due to permanent red-linked user page, per your request.
With an {{Archive box}} in place, please feel free to move this award as you see fit.
Christopher, Sheridan, OR (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

All Aboard the SkylarkEdit

Can you please indicate the areas which you feel require references on the article All Aboard the Skylark for you to remove the refimprove tag that you added. (talk) 20:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@ When I added the tag, the article was a stub. It has since been expanded with additional references, so the tag can be removed. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


Thankyou for the edits you've made on All That Jazz (Breathe album) and related pages. I appreciate your guidance. Is there anyway I can ask you a couple of specific style-related questions? ICT7 (talk) 10:31, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@ICT7: Feel free. I will do my best to answer. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Category:Robotboy characters has been nominated for discussionEdit


Category:Robotboy characters, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. TTN (talk) 18:57, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Suggested edit summaryEdit

I know why you made this edit but if you're planning on making more, I'd like to give a friendly suggestion to explain why in the edit summary, as not everyone knows that they editorial staff of AMG give out the star ratings and not the reviewers. Alternately, you could of course reword it but that's more overhead. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 01:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

It looks like you made that edit. I've made edits in which I simply remove the rating when I come across them and note it in the edit summary (some but not all the time), as I did here. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 01:23, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Thriller 25Edit

Hi There I'm Just Letting You Know That An User Called User talk: Messed Up The Tracks On Thriller 25. When I Went To Look At The Article The Track listing Is Weird. I'm Not Sure How To Fixed It. Thanks From JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 4:32, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Why did you remove category from The Firesign Theatre photo?Edit

The corresponding photo of Monty Python is categorized under Monty Python. Why do you think this is improper? JustinTime55 (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Noel Hill (musician)Edit

Is there any specific section that you think needs sources? I can take a look then. The Banner talk 18:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I really didn't look through the article. I just removed a duplicate {{more footnotes needed}} template. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:16, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

"Bow Wow's Untitled Seventh Studio album" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Bow Wow's Untitled Seventh Studio album. Since you had some involvement with the Bow Wow's Untitled Seventh Studio album redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC678 19:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Snarky LiveEdit

Thanx for correcting my misnaming Snarky Puppy's live album. I have to ask, though, why did you put in a redirect page rather than just correcting the name on the Snarky Puppy page? I did so and tagged the redirect for speedy deletion. GWFrog (talk) 21:42, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@GWFrog: I didn’t just create a new page at the new title, I moved the article using Wikipedia’s tools that allow me to do so. This way the article’s history remains intact (so the article at the new title still shows you as the creator of it). When using those tools, it automatically redirects the previous title to the current one. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

The Very Best of KissEdit

I Need Some Help On The Very Best of Kiss I Try To Upload A New AllMusic Review, Rolling Stone Review And Sputnikmusic And Its Looks Weird. Can You Please Fixed The Review. Thanks From JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 7:14, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@JukeboxMan1990: I fixed it. You’ll have to tell me why you capitalize every word in your sentences. Now that looks weird. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 14:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

A jazz club beer for youEdit

  Always good seeing your name pop up in page history again :) Thanks again for reviewing Don't Cry For No Hipster and your other jazz article work. RubenSchade (talk) 01:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020Edit

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Atkins (album)Edit

Hello. For the record, I had to move Atkins (album) to a separate draft article for it. I am currently looking for sources about the album. Thanks. --TheLennyGriffinFan1994 (talk) 22:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Removing categories when you redirectEdit

E.g. Why are you removing the categories when you redirect these album articles? ―Justin (koavf)TCM 02:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Because they don’t need to be there when the only info about it is a listing with zero prose. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)


Hello Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars

Never mind i did fixed it. Can you please add disc 2 track listings? and the running time is 1:18:50 for disc 2 for the 40 (Foreigner album)

Thanks From JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 8:28 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@JukeboxMan1990: I’ll do some fixes but I won’t add the disc 2 track listing. You can do that yourself. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:01, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

It's a Jungle?Edit

Whats with you removing all of the chart information I added to It's a Jungle? You know how long it took me to find, organize, and cite all of that? The info lasted for a little over a month before you somehow found the dead page and removed it because "no radio station charts". I figured given that the song had an MTV music video created for it (for some reason you also removed the MTV part from the page) that got lots of screenplay it had to have been a hit even though Billboard's Hot 100 wrote it off. I sought out to find some charts and turned out to be correct, so I figured I'd add them to the page. But nope, for some reason adding airplay charts for singles is not allowed according to you. Trying to be helpful by adding new information to the site is a bad thing. All those hours I spent searching for that stuff and formatting it correctly into charts went down the drain. You also removed some of my citations because they apparently weren't reliable, and added Citation Needed in a few spots. The information there is factual, and it isn't my fault that the only way to prove it is through an eBay listing. Like I said, I searched for many hours and that just turned out to be the only source for the info. I highly doubt you know anything deep about Three Dog Night's history, and you've even had the audacity to make many nonsensical/useless edits on other articles about the band.

Just curious about your thought process and reasoning.Tine Crine (talk) 01:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tine Crine: Hey, I appreciate you reaching out. Of course, there can always be misunderstandings on WP policies. I’m sorry that you feel that I may have crossed the line in my interpretation of them. The good thing is there are many passionate editors of music articles like yourself who will objectively review your concerns at the WikiProject Albums talk page. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 06:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


A user called User talk:JJMC89 have been removing the album cover from a Wikipedia page called Look of Love: The Very Best of ABC he keeps on removing the album cover. I'm not sure what to do, he could be a bot.

Thanks from JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 9:57 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@JukeboxMan1990: Truthfully, Ben, all the information about the Gold should be removed including the extra cover because there are no sources that call it a “reissue”. It just doesn’t matter. I’ll fix it later. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Category:Jhené Aiko album coversEdit

Hi – would you mind taking a quick look at this category and fixing the entry, please? It should be a filename, rather than a picture, but I can't see how to correct this. Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

  Done. See Template:No gallery. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you – I knew pictures were a no-no in a category, but didn't know about that template. Richard3120 (talk) 16:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

List of Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles of 2020: premature addition of artist imagesEdit

[1] clearly is showing this. I have removed the images, with the explanation that they are not added to the article until the year is complete ([2]). Though I don't know about any specific guideline to this effect, I am remembering this from past years and wanting to respect it. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Ericorbit used to police that in the past before he disappeared from WP. I don't think there's a guideline but there may be some consensus for it somewhere. It could lead to too many photos as people would keep adding them as the year progresses, when it should be reflective of the year as a whole. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

The VinylsEdit

I've stated my views on the template at TfD... the creator has also created a category for those draft albums at Category:The Vinyls albums... can this be speedily deleted? Richard3120 (talk) 20:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that. I didn't even notice. We can disable the categories per WP:DRAFTS, which would empty the category and make it eligible for speedy deletion. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

iTunes and Gold CDEdit

When I import The Jam Gold CD to Itunes, the CD lookup results comes up with two options saying The Sound of the Jam and Gold. Is iTunes right about The Sound of The Jam and Gold are both the same albums or is the CD lookup results from iTunes are wrong? I'm just wondering because i notice some albums have been re-issued as Gold. Is it possible to add the Gold information back to The Sound of the Jam or not?

Thanks from JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 3:11 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ben. Unless a reliable source specifically mentions that a release with a different title is a re-issue of an earlier album, there is no need for that information in the article. And even if there is a known re-issue, a image of the cover photo of it is not always necessary, especially if the artwork is the same. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Thanks for your comment and about the iTunes lookup results I mentioned above. From JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 4:08 May 2020 (UTC)

Good afternoon Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars

When I import The Jam Gold CD to Itunes, the CD lookup results comes up with two options saying The Sound of the Jam and Gold. Is iTunes right about The Sound of The Jam and Gold are both the same albums or is the CD lookup results from iTunes are wrong?

JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 12:39 17 May 2020 (UTC)

You already asked that, Ben. I don’t use iTunes. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Villain (Album) and Villain (album)Edit

Is this where you were trying to get to with these two redirects? I had the pageswap reversed. Not sure why it was done in the first place, possibly a mistake and some crossed wires. Villain (Album) could possibly be deleted entirely, it adds nothing. Lithopsian (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

... bound for New Orleans?Edit

Hi User:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, I think Talk:Waitin' for the Bus / Jesus Just Left Chicago might also need a redirect? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me that added the WikiProjects – I've added redirects now. Richard3120 (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The Sound of the JamEdit

Good Afternoon Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars

I'm just wondering if I can add disc 2 to The Sound of the Jam because it's been mentioned on the article. I just wanted to check with you to see if that is okay before i add the second disc with the track listings?

Thanks so much from JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 9:43 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@JukeboxMan1990: Yes. It doesn't add to or take away from its notability, but it can be added. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:04, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: all done you may go and check to see if i did it right?

JukeboxMan1990 (talk) 9:05 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ben. Can you stop contacting me? All it’s going to do is lead to a block because I know you’re just evading your previous blocks when you created your new account. The only reason I didn’t spot it right away is because you stopped editing Essential albums. Now, you just edit Gold albums. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 12:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Country albums categoryEdit

Hello. Can you please clarify why you are continually removing the category, "Country albums by American artists" from album pages? ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@ChrisTofu11961: Because it is unnecessary when a parent category of the page, such as Category:Bill Anderson (singer) albums is already categorized under Category:Country albums by American artists. That means those pages are being categorized twice resulting in overcategorization. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:13, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: That makes sense. I did not originally see that before. Thanks for checking! ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 18:13, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Recover (The Naked and Famous album)Edit

Please do not remove {{LR}} tag from Recover (The Naked and Famous album) until the issue is resolved. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: I used ReFill. The automated tool (which you should consider using yourself, instead of wasting the time of hardworking volunteers because it is not very hard to use) cannot translate the Amazon and Stereoboard urls, so those ones you'll have to do yourself. Oh yeah, you won't because, well, we all know why. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

But how can you be sure...?Edit

Thanks for fixing my copy and paste error. As you may see from my edits, I'm trying to do a lot of things at once. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 23:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

List of UK Dance Singles Chart number onesEdit

What I would argue is this. The articles for charts in 1988 it seems have been deleted because the charts were not compiled by the Official Charts Company (OCC). However, what I would say is this: As an example, the The Official Big Top 40 is not compiled by the Official Charts Company, and therefore having the word "official" in the company name is by no means proof of de facto officiality, although OCC is clearly universally accepted as such by most people. Secondly, the deleted charts of 1988 were in fact compiled by the now defunct MRIB, who, were a rival to OCC (at the time called Gallup and then CIN) and were considered of equal importance and reliability to OCC. The OCC chart just so happened to be used by BBC Radio 1 and the now defunct Top of the Pops TV show. Pretty much every other TV and radio show of the day used the MRIB compiled singles chart. This may cause problems given that OCC is universally accepted as the "official" chart provider of the UK, however, I think on Wikipedia we have the opportunity to look into things in more detail and be more accurate. Also, I don't think OCC were compiling any rock or dance charts at this time, so MRIB's seem to be the accredited charts for them at the time. Cheers. QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of UK Dance Singles Chart number ones of 1988Edit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of UK Dance Singles Chart number ones of 1988. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year SocietyEdit

Dear Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 19:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Billboard Rock/Alternative Albums chartsEdit

Hi – following the discussion regarding the reorganization of Billboard's Rock and Alternative Songs charts, the query has come up at Wikipedia talk:Record charts#Billboard charts - Albums as to whether the same applies to albums in these categories... the current documentation only accounts for R&B/Hip Hop album charts. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 23:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Richard3120: I'm aware of what you're referring to but I don't know how involved it would be. I'm sure we can treat Alternative Albums and Hard Rock Albums in the same way for Top Rock Albums as R&B and Rap Albums are for Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums. I'm not sure about anything else, although there's the main album charts (Billboard 200, Top Album Sales, Top Current Albums), each of the latter two being a previous version of the Billboard 200 in terms of its methodology, which I think are interesting if nothing more. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:26, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Me neither - I just wondered as you were involved in the discussion about the singles chart, you would have a better idea than I do about the album equivalents... I can talk about the UK charts and their history with some authority, but I admit I get completely lost with component charts for Billboard, which is why I stayed out of that discussion. Thanks anyway... I guess it needs to be changed soon, at least for the Rock and Alternative Albums charts so that people can add them to chart tables. Richard3120 (talk) 01:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Films vs. Film seriesEdit

Hey there, you probably should have mentioned that in the CFD. I think your rationale is reasonable although I don't think I've really seen it spelled out that way. Perhaps you'd want to propose a clearer delineation for film vs. film series at WT:CFD, perhaps as an WP:RFC? I think this might be a discussion about a wider naming guideline. If you feel like I have misrepresented the consensus and closed erroneously in the Sandlot discussion specifically, you're more than welcome to make a listing at WP:MR. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 00:43, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I thought I did. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

List of Canadian Hot 100 top 10 singles in 2020Edit

Hello. I was just wondering why you reverted back the proposed deletion template on the [[talk page of List of Canadian Hot 100 top 10 singles in 2020? It has valid information, reliable sources, and has been going strong for 8 months of the Billboard chart year. I would hate to see all its progress be gone. I thought everything was clear to be taken off, since I explained my objection on my user talk page and edit summary of the article. Is there more that has to be done to prevent it from getting deleted? Just a little confused, that's all. Thanks. (Purplehaze45 (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC))

@Purplehaze45: You removed the proposed deletion template from the list, which is all you needed to do to dispute the PROD. The notification on the talk page only notifies readers that the article/list had been proposed for deletion previously so someone considering doing the same thing would have to take it to AfD. It's just there on the talk page for informational/historical purposes. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Noticing your changes in the early Billboard Hot 100 top-ten singles listsEdit

I was looking for where you proposed making the kind of change that you have already made for the 1960 and 1961 lists, and found it here (for reference). In the 1960 one, I made a suggestion to indicate which songs listed under the first issue date of that year initially made the top 10 prior to that first week ... just a simple footnote attached at the end of each song title which would be found in the preceding year's list (near the end, if we were to make the same changes to the 1959 list). I was scratching my head as to whether to do this for titles near the end of the year that continued their run in the top 10 into the next, but decided to not do that for now.

In your initial proposal here, you wanted to remove the "weeks in the top ten" column, but I saw you didn't do that in the changes you recently made to 1960/1961 (at least for now). While you did cite WP:CHARTTRAJ, and I have mixed feelings about its inclusion or exclusion (I do have one Joel Whitburn book that can back these tallies, thru 2011, but I don't mind either way), it's probably something that editors may try to keep adding back if we do exclude the column ... especially on the current lists ... even though it goes against CHARTTRAJ, so we'd have to be even extra vigilant about that.

Even making the change to have everything in just one table for the current list, and focused squarely on the year identified in the title of the list, would cause some editors to revert it back to the multiple table appearance there is now. (I do recall recently making a bold change to the "Notes" structure in the 2020 list, using the {{efn}} and {{notelist}} templates [3][4][5][6], so that it would be easier to see the note right by the song or artist in question instead of having to scroll down the article every time, but one editor decided against it [7], and I decided not to push the issue any further.) I think it's a good idea to limit the scope, and having the one table, but having a talk page discussion at the current article might not hurt to see where the other editors in the project are on this. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: First, I really appreciate the background and summary you provided. Obviously, a lot of this is stuck in the back of my mind but specifics I've said or done have certainly escaped me, so thank you. I do like what you did with the footnotes to identify the songs that are continuing their top-ten charts runs into the following year. As long as its not this over-complicated list for the songs that peaked in the previous or following year. I would still agree that the "weeks in the top ten" column is extraneous and unnecessary, but I kept it in the two lists I did work on to not do a complete overhaul of the format. But I think the reason I don't think it's needed is more about sourcing than CHARTTRAJ, as I now tend to believe that applies more to individual song/album articles. My Whitburn books only show weeks at #1 and weeks on the Hot 100.
I'm not a proponent of any of these top-ten lists at all, and I believe most people who work on them simply want to keep themselves busy and it's easy info to copy over from each weekly chart. All they do and want to do is continue how it's been done, and they simply adapt to changes by those who actually try to improve upon the format. To me it's all WP:IINFO and I'd be happy if we narrowed down any such lists to number ones (and even then not for every chart that exists). I'd prefer the WP:BOLD approach on making such changes and see what kind of reaction, if any, comes from it. I do very much appreciate your input and advice on this. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 01:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
No problem, Starcheers. As far as the existence of these lists, I'm OK with it as long as consensus is around to keep them, but any other scope beyond number ones and top tens is far too much. For me, top ten does stick in my mind when I would see in my local newspaper back in the 1980s listings of the Billboard top ten on not only the Hot 100, but the 200, R&B (back then known as "Black singles") and Country every week; sometimes they'd list it in the entertainment section on Mondays, and sometimes Fridays. And I do remember Casey Kasem doing America's Top 10 during the 1980s, though it didn't consistently run on TV locally and often it would be aired well into the overnight. Wasn't always consistently focused on the Hot 100 until sometime in 1985, I think (was confined to the first part of the show, but by 1985, the coverage of the Hot 100's top ten was spread across the length of the show, in Kasem's usual countdown fashion). So there was clearly some decent coverage of the Hot 100's top ten, but whether that level of coverage is enough by Wikipedia standards, I can't speak for everyone.

Anyway, I took a stab at your update to 1960 and 1961 by applying that to the 1958 and 1959 articles. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

An IP has objected to your/my changes at the 1960 article [8]. I have reverted it for now; it's sounding like there could be more objections to this revised format, despite violations of WP:IINFO that you have brought up. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Same at 1961 [9]. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:50, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, and other thingEdit

Hello, @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, thank you so much for correcting my edits, also if you don't mind helping getting the article Gabi DeMartino edits back, they don't want to add info for her because she's a member of duo Niki and Gabi, but DeMartino also releases solo projects, other group members has there own articles even when they don't do solo projects but still have articles, i still don't understand why, thanks! Gabriella Grande (talk) 03:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gabriella Grande: It's best to be patient with these. It's more about finding reliable sources about her contributions outside of Niki and Gabi. After just a quick look, there really isn't a lot (it has to be considered significant coverage), but you have a nice draft started at Draft:Gabi DeMartino, so keep working on that. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, so if i added more info on the draft could you check it back to see if it's the right time to make it an actual article? Gabriella Grande (talk) 04:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page?Edit

You said "Charting doesn't make these notable," could you ellaborate on that? Is this the reason nobody has updated these pages for 5 years? I am very frustrated and confused.

Trevortnidesserped (talk) 22:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

The article was redirected to the discography page because the only pertinent info for each volume is listed and sourced on that page. A couple of years ago, there was enough consensus via some deletion discussions (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Now That's What I Call Music! 67 (UK series) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Now That's What I Call Music! 66 (U.S. series) to redirect all the various volumes. All but the first volume of the UK series have been redirected but no one has gotten around to doing the same for all the US editions. It can be a slow process sometimes because you have to have the people willing to put in the work. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
but the tracklists aren't available on that page, neither are the covers. The Now albums are still don't think they should get updated pages. Trevortnidesserped (talk) 23:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
No, I don't (and I own all of them). You may want to discuss this at Talk:Now That's What I Call Music! discography to gain a better understanding and for a broader perspective. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Soul Crusher's mammoth amount of non-notable articlesEdit

Hey Starcheers and @Richard3120: I noticed you'd both edited a number of this editor's recent articles. I took a look earlier, and this editor's sheer output of articles on non-notable albums is staggering. I raised this on their talk page, pointing them to WP:NALBUMS, but they appear to have no other defence for their articles than "they are notable", and I doubt they're willing to change their tune or halt this prolific number of articles they pump out daily. Could either one of you start an ANI thread to bring further attention to this? (As I'm still "semi-retired", I'm sure why I'm concerned or starting an ANI thread would be questioned.) I don't believe it would gather much traction at any music WikiProject, as none of those are as active as the attention to this editor's back catalogue of non-notable albums warrants. This has been going on for God knows how many months or years now, and the hundreds or thousands of articles of this editor's created articles to trawl through and assess for notability needs all the attention it can get. I don't believe I or any one or two editors could get through to this editor on stopping this practice either. Thanks! Ss112 07:57, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Hard to believe you received any kind of response at all. I started an ANI earlier this week regarding the extreme number of redirects being created based on those non-notable articles (which I also brought up as a concern). There have been a few AfDs and RfDs of late as well. It is a bit nuts. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 14:29, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ss112: good to see you (sort of) back. I left a note on their talk page right at the beginning of their recent output, which of course they ignored. As Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars says, an ANI is already in process, where "redirects are valid" has been the only response from the editor. I have every intention of bringing many of these non-notable articles to AfD when I have some more time, but the fact that the editor creates 20 or more articles per day means a huge backlog has built up. Their sources are almost always the same, and none of them pass WP:RS... the liner notes of the release itself, an empty listing at AllMusic with no rating or review, Schwann's catalog (which is literally just a catalog listing, nothing else), and two online fanzines, Sonic Boom and Aiding & Abetting, both of which are one-man projects by fans of the genre. Richard3120 (talk) 14:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
@Richard3120: Thanks for that, Richard. Also sorry Starcheers, hadn't actually checked ANI or even considered you or somebody might have brought it up there already. I do hope that the editor's creation of articles and not just redirects becomes a concern for a larger group of editors. This editor's rate of producing new articles for "underground" industrial albums that don't have coverage in most news sources is simply staggering—just looking at how many they have made in the last 24 hours alone, even after my message—and this unwillingness to consider that if these topics lack said news coverage they should not have articles made is something that should be drawing the attention of admins already. Ss112 12:21, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Like you both said, there are so many right now, a large bundle AfD nomination would take time, but there have already been a few deleted at AfD, which is a good start to indicate a growing pattern and concern. Presenting a list of these at another ANI will certainly help a case. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ss112 and Richard3120: Welp, the new ANI I filed sure took a quick and unexpected turn. We might be able to start prodding or redirecting a majority of those articles now that there shouldn't be much objection. It will still take time to go through. Just watch out for IPs. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Here's a comment I posted at the ANI: "I can't, and won't, defend Soul Crusher's recent actions. It is important to note--to at least state it once--that many of his truly notable early articles were repeatedly tagged for notability by serial taggers, when different tags could and should have been used. That is also a big problem." I'm not referring to either you or Richard3120, btw. It's not great that Category:Music articles with topics of unclear notability was around 11,400+ when Boleyn said something... Caro7200 (talk) 00:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
We rarely crossed paths before, although I am sure I have edited pages they have created in the past, but they clearly had a different agenda this time around since actively returning. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:49, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
@Caro7200: you are right, not everything he has created is for non-notable articles, even recently... in particular, I think the ones related to Bob Ostertag, who is genuinely an avant-garde composer of some note, may be salvageable and could be expanded. It's just very difficult to sort the good from the bad when such a huge number of articles have been created in such a short space of time. But I think many of the recent compilation albums are PRODable as Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars says, and the EPs are probably the next thing to look at. Richard3120 (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


Hi, hope you're fine. I want to create a template named 'Template:Educational boards in Pakistan' from this article List of educational boards in Pakistan. Is it right to create such a template? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 07:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@Empire AS: It looks like such navigation already exists in Template:Education in Pakistan. Just link the list of boards to "Boards" in that template. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 14:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I added. But I think to have an another template. But would it cause content forking or not? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 14:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
There is a template already and the list you are working on that provide adequate navigation. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 14:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 01:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
However I think that is the capitalization of the article List of educational boards in Pakistan is alright? Or should it be changed? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 02:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
It is fine. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:38, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
I was asking this because recently I saw a redirect titled 'List of Boards of Education in Pakistan'. I got confused, so asked. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 05:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanking youEdit

Thanks for this edit. I didn't take a look at the template's usage guidelines prior to publishing the edit, I was using the top of this page as a guide. I'll be careful to do more research next time round. Appreciate you letting me know. Sean Stephens (talk) 13:29, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Moving categoriesEdit

Hi. I don't understand why you feel it necessary to move these mathematics categories (e.g. Category:Draft-Class mathematics pages) to their new names. These categories have insignificant editing history and I have already created the new ones. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Category renaming should be done through the CfD process, or if uncontroversial, with a CfR-speedy nomination. It should not be done unilaterally. Some of them have histories that go back to 2010. This is no different than doing copy-and-paste moves, which is discouraged. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I disagree. The reason that cut-and-paste moves are discouraged is to preserve editing history. I have already mentioned that these categories have no significant editing history so there is simply no reason to move them. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean to tag for deletion all of these mathematical article categories that are full of pages (see Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion)? Liz Read! Talk! 19:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

It's a db-move Liz, although I can't really see the benefit to doing this (see above) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Its really very annoying. The categories for wikiproject mathematics articles were working very well thank you, serving the needs of the project and helping us keep track of our drafts. I've removed the speedy. I'm happy for Category:Draft-Class mathematics pages to be deleted. --Salix alba (talk): 20:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Working so well that a number of new Wikiproject Mathematics categories had to be created? The simpler procedure would have been to take these to WP:CFDS. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

So Fresh redirectsEdit

Hi, I have a question about your deletion of the So Fresh: The Hits of Autumn 2013 page (and redirect to the main So Fresh list). While I understand the premise of there being no significant coverage, I have recently had an article approved through the AfC process which was basically in the same format and many of the individual So Fresh album pages have similar limited information on them. Given the approval of the article through the AfC process, I assumed it would be okay to continue in that vein.

Basically it would be great if you could explain the inconsistency in treatment between album pages? The reason why I started making the pages is because I was looking up So Fresh albums on Wikipedia out of curiosity and all the red links on the So Fresh list made me sad so I wanted to rectify it. If any album page I make is going to be redirected to the main list anyway, then I see no point in having all the red links? I'm not going to die on this hill or anything but to me it does seem misleading to have red links on the list page, but when a user makes a page (in keeping with the format of the other preceding albums), that the page is effectively deleted.

Thanks in advance. --L84tea (talk) 02:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@L84tea: Thank you for your message. Compilation albums of hit songs tend to sell well but they don't receive significant coverage from reliable sources. Selling a lot a copies does not automatically make them notable. Early on, like 10-15 years ago, attempts were made to have articles on every volume which is why you see more earlier ones than later ones because many editors later on realized that the articles don't tell readers anything about the album beyond selling a lot of copies and providing a track listing but no one discusses the albums themselves in any depth at all. Red links do give an appearance that an article should be made for them and they should probably all be removed from the So Fresh discography. Cheers. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense, thanks for explaining. And I see you have removed many of the red links now as well - it definitely makes it more obvious to the casual browser that the pages aren't needed :) --L84tea (talk) 05:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Naming of navbox categoriesEdit

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...Baby One More Time / Oops!... I Did It Again name changesEdit

I see your name a lot around Wikipedia and there are many edits you have made that I appreciate, so thank you for those. There are currently discussions going on about whether the Britney Spears albums ...Baby One More Time and Oops!... I Did It Again should be moved:

I'd love for you to voice your opinion there. Thank you.

PS. Why did decide to never make a user page? I think it's really cool honestly. Whitevenom187 (talk) 03:10, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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Kitty WellsEdit

Thank you for your cleanup efforts on the Kitty Wells albums. With respect to Kitty Wells' & Red Foley's Golden Favorites, I have tended not to include compilation albums but made an exception for this one, as it is the only album to my knowledge which collected all of their charting singles from the 1950s. Also, it's my understanding that the compilation charted as an album on its own. While I own Whitburn's "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Country Hits", I seem to have misplaced my copy of "Joel Whitburn Presents Hot Country Albums". Do you happen to know of a reliable online source to confirm chart performance of country albums of the 1960s? Thanks for any help you may be able to provide. Cbl62 (talk) 23:06, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

@Cbl62: I do not know of reliable online sources beyond Billboard's site itself and wherever you can find scanned versions of the original Billboard publications (Google Books, World Radio History). I couldn't find any source that mentions the album's chart position, however, if indeed it did chart. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Unfortunately, my copy of "Joel Whitburn Presents Hot Country Albums" is probably buried somewhere in my garage. Cbl62 (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

AllMusic ratingsEdit

I noticed your edit summary (here) on Sands of Gold stating that the named reviewers don't assign the "AllMusic Rating" to the albums. If the reviewer doesn't give the rating, who does? User Ratings are separate, and so I assumed the official "AllMusic Rating" was by the reviewer. Is there documentation of this somewhere on the AllMusic site? Thanks for your input. Cbl62 (talk)

@Cbl62: It's according to their FAQ page: StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Interesting. It appears that anyone can contribute to the ratings by sending in their submission to TiVo? If so, it's just another form of crowd-sourcing. Would be better if they just accumulated reviews of professional music critics a la Rotten Tomatoes. The crowd-sourcing makes the AllMusic ratings less reliable than I had always believed. Thanks for the link. Cbl62 (talk) 00:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@Cbl62: TiVo is the parent company of AllMusic, so I believe the editors (whoever they are) are hired by TiVo and they assign the ratings. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
The AllMusic "Product Submissions" page (here) makes it sound like crowd sourcing that anyone could participate in. Cbl62 (talk) 00:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
I just re-read the page. It looks like I was wrong, but frankly the system as described presents far from a clear picture. Cbl62 (talk) 00:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

In the Jailhouse Now (1982 album)Edit

I noticed you moved "In the Jailhouse Now (1982 album)" to "In the Jailhouse Now (album)". I started the article with the secondary disambiguation due to the existence of other albums (including other Webb Pierce albums) with the same title. E.g., here, here, here, here, here, and here. Is it not typical practice for albums to use secondary disambiguation when other albums exist with the same title? Cbl62 (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

It's not if other albums exist with the same title, it's if articles for those other albums exist. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Not sure WP:DAB deals with this explicitly, but where there are other known topics with the same name (even if articles have not yet been created), I tend to leave room for the future articles. The extra level of disambiguation results in no harm and avoids the need for extensive cleanup of incoming links when the other articles are created. Cbl62 (talk) 02:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Are any of those other albums at all notable (like more than a Discogs listing and a 3-line AllMusic review)? Flophouse String Band and Done Again don't even have articles for themselves. Per this RFC, it was determined titles should use the simplest form of disambiguation if no other articles with the same title exist. Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for linking the earlier discussion. As I read it, we should have anticipatory, secondary disambiguation if the other titles are notable. That sounds right on the surface, but the problem it creates in this situation is that it requires a time-consuming assessment of five or six other albums in order to decide which level of disambiguation is appropriate. The fact that there are three albums by Webb Pierce with the same title, and another by Jimmie Rodgers (the originator of the song) suggests some likelihood that anticipatory disambiguation would make sense. I have no desire to do a separate WP:NALBUMS analysis on the other five titles, so I guess I'll leave it as is for the time being. Cbl62 (talk) 04:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)