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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!Edit
Trump Sexual MisconductEdit
It's not RS because the butler is clearly not independent and is also intensely "loyal" to Mr. Trump, as a good butler often is. If you don't like "not RS" then it's clearly UNDUE. Just because a self-serving statement is repeated in the news media does not make it well-sourced content for an encyclopedia. Please undo your reinsertion, which is a violation of DS, and state your view on talk. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 16:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Greetings fella. You might want to keep an eye on the article at this very time, as there's a touch of edit-warring going on regarding title reign stats. I won't be able to check for another twelve hours. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 05:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
My source from Muhammad Ali's page on Boxrec.com: On September 14, 1964, Ali was stripped of the World Boxing Association title for signing to fight Sonny Liston in a rematch. The contract for their first fight included a return clause, which the WBA did not allow.
Ali was WBA heavyweight champion 4 times. From February 25, 1964 to September 14, 1964. From February 6, 1967 to April 28, 1967. From October 30, 1974 to February 15, 1978. And finally from September 15, 1978 to September 6, 1979. It is on the BoxRec.com website. Please allow me to correct this Tmacmusicmagician (talk) 15:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
This article from Ebony magazine will prove that both Sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali were recognized as champions by the WBA. And that Ali was stripped of the WBA title before regaining it against Terrell Tmacmusicmagician (talk) 15:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Biographies of living peopleEdit
With reference to your comments at ANI:
I'd urge you to thoroughly read WP:BLP if you're going to be contributing to biographies of living people – even more thoroughly if you're editing in an area subject to discretionary sanctions. --RexxS (talk) 19:42, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
RexxS i've thought about this and i am in complete agreement with you as far as the WP:BLP policy is concerned. Besides everything else it is a fool proof method to place the burden of responsibility for any negative content about the living person on the referenced source. I wish we could have explained this more gently to Hidden Tempo keeping in mind the fact that he is a new editor. Soham321 (talk) 19:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Here is the diff of your comment for anyone reading this page. Soham321 (talk) 20:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC) And a follow-up diff showing you read the request to retract your comment Soham321 (talk) 20:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
My editorial judgement was not vindicatedEdit
Kingsindian has made a cogent argument for why Gilberthorpe is not a credible witness, and I accept his rationale, so you might want to remove that part of your post. (For the record, I became involved in the misconduct article primarily because a careful reading of the sources—and some OR—persuaded me that the claims about Trump running pageants for his own benefit and being free to barge into dressing rooms at his leisure are dubious; at the very least, Wikipedia's refusal to acknowledge the "counter-witnesses" interviewed by Buzzfeed et al. in the "Miss Teen USA" section—even though they were in the majority—struck me as an odd editorial omission. I've never had an interest in the "he-said, she-said" of the groping accusations, other than to note that the timing four weeks before an election and the ensuing saturation coverage created the risk of a pile on effect—Jessica Drake accusing Trump one day prior to the launch of her new "online sex store," for example, certainly raises questions about possible ulterior motives. That said, the Trump camp's claims need to be scrutinized as well, and they probably shouldn't have put Gilberthorpe forward. In sum—while I wouldn't call this a damning indictment of my editing—I was in no sense "vindicated.")TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Soham, the reason that TTAAC's content stayed in the article so long is that few other editors are prepared to edit war in violation of ARBAP2. Basically, once it was reverted ARBAP2 tells us to keep it out so that the matter can be resolved on talk before reinsertion. When an editor violates this and reinserts disputed content on an article subject to this sanction, other editors will generally stand back rather than reinsert it only to set up another round of edit-warring. Your recent message at AE doesn't seem to reflect the DS restriction as the primary reason for the defective content's relative longevity there. SPECIFICO talk 21:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Re: twinkle issueEdit
Ah, good thing you told me. I didn't realise using the "[restore this version]" function on my end counts as reverting vandalism. I always thought it was identical to "(undo)". Will be more careful in future. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Re: Feedback requestEdit
Admittedly, anything to do with Ali's religious beliefs is completely outside my scope of interest. I only deal with the statistical side of things relating to his fights, namely record tables and succession boxes. You will likely garner more feedback from those who have been more active in maintaining the article as a whole. Sorry I can't be of any help in that aspect. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Reply to your noteEdit
Hi, Soham - I gave the article a quick look - it's a long one and will require some quiet time. I'll go back and give it a closer look after the weekend. I'm still trying to deal with the rapid expiration of yet another year!!! Atsme📞📧 00:50, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Re: Merry Christmas and Happy New YearEdit
A happy Yule to you as well. The Muhammad Ali article continues to grow and improve thanks to your ongoing initiatives, and I suggest trying for a GA or FA nomination next year. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:31, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
And a merry...Edit
Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year!Edit
From my tlak page" Thanks for wishing me on my talk page. I appreciate and reciprocate your kind greetings although i wonder if you mistook me for someone else. I don't recall interacting with you before. Soham321 (talk) 04:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Dear Soham, Please note the procedure
Blocked for unending WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviorEdit
I've blocked you indefinitely for disrupting the encyclopedia pretty much ever since you started editing here. The straw that broke the camel's back was the AE thread you recently opened, but there have been months and months of it, and I have no doubt it would continued if I had tried to craft a topic ban instead. This isn't an WP:AE block; any admin can unblock if they come to believe that you will stop this behavior. But I've seen enough to know it will never be me who unblocks; I've seen enough to know that you will not change. Template with unblock instructions will be added below in a minute. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
blocked indefinitely from editing for persistent disruptive editing. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:
Note to FloquenbeamEdit
Hi Floquenbeam, i just wanted to note that i consider you an involved Admin as well and as such I believe it is inappropriate for you to place an indefinite block on my account in the middle of an AE discussion. Please advise me on my options on how to file an appeal of the block you have placed on me (in the course of which I shall be presenting evidence of why I consider you an involved Admin). Thank you. Soham321 (talk) 18:42, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Note to anyone reading this pageEdit
(I began writing a response to Sitush's recent comment on my talk page; but after seeing Floquenbeam's subsequent comment, while i was composing my response, i decided it would be best to place this in a separate section):
Sitush, why am i not surprised to see you come to the defense of Floquenbeam after he indeffed me for a discussion which involved you? Isn't Floquenbeam the same person who had swiftly lifted the indef block on you placed by the now retired Mike V after you had threatened to gun down an editor with whom you had been involved in a dispute with (your comment had been revdeled but it should be accessible to Admins who wish to investigate why you were indeffed by Mike V). Add to this Floquenbeam's interaction history with you (the two of you exchanging frequent pleasantries on each other's talk pages).Finally, as evidence of Floquenbeam's inherent bias against me (stretching much before this case), consider this comment of Floquenbeam made in the course of my appeal to ArbCom:
ArbCom did not "shut me down, and shut me down hard" as Floquenbeam wanted, although they declined my appeal to overturn my topic ban (which expired more than one year ago). No further sanctions were imposed on me. Senior editor Rich Farmbrough (not pinging him because Floquenbeam has threatened he would remove my talk page access if i ping others for anything other than questions) had expressed partial support for my appeal to ArbCom. In a subsequent comment, Rich Farmbrough had responded to Floquenbeam's comment (given by me earlier) with these words:
I would like it to be determined whether Floquenbeam is WP:INVOLVED with respect to me through his words and behavior which prohibited him from imposing the indefinite block he has placed on me after i expressed my views in an AE discussion. Soham321 (talk) 19:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
You are definitely involved because when you made your comment in my ArbCom appeal--expressing a clear bias against me, invoking ArbCom to "shut him down, and shut him down hard" (your request was ignored by them)-- you had made it in your capacity as a regular WP editor; you were not expressing your views in an administrative role since you didn't get to decide what the outcome of the case would be. Nor were you involved at any stage of my case in an Administrative capacity. Soham321 (talk) 20:03, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Sitush, There is an ongoing AE case pertaining to me. I am sure the AE Admins are scrutinizing this page. Asking for an unblock right now would complicate the AE case even more. I am quite happy to remain blocked while the AE case plays itself out. Soham321 (talk) 20:35, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Topic and page bansEdit
Per the discussion at WP:AE, please note that you are indefinitely topic-banned from all pages dealing with the realm of WP:ARBIPA (India, Pakistan and Afghanistan). You are also indefinitely banned from filing cases at Arbitration Enforcement. Your topic ban has been noted at Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/Log/2016. Black Kite (talk) 01:17, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Disillusioned by your blockEdit
Hi, while I came across your edits for the first time only a couple of days ago, your block has honestly left me quite disillusioned about this whole place. Even if the avenue which was chosen (AE) to raise your concerns was procedurally not the appropriate one, I am at a loss to understand that it lead to your being blocked. While it may land me in trouble going forward, I must state that the cavalier attitude displayed by some of our esteemed admins in tackling the situation was quite disappointing. You repeatedly provided your reasoning to justify filing the AE request (a. Simply no hope at all of making any headway when the other editor brazenly misrepresents sources, b. Your understanding based on prior experience (which you showed evidence for) that once the Rfc has been filed, disputed content shall not be edited). I am amazed that no admin (apart from RegentsPark) seemingly even bothered to understand/respond to this. All this despite two other editors (myself and Kashmiri) stating that they have also had issues working with the other editor. A professional approach on part of the adjudication committee would have been to suggest taking the case to a more appropriate forum (such as ANI I believe), rather than just blocking you.
In any case, there is much more to life than editing Wikipedia, and I hope you are enjoying your time away from this ! Whether you decide to come back or not, I wish you the best. Js82 (talk) 06:58, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Soham321 (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Missing your work -- come back after you cool offEdit
Soham321, I have reviewed the AE case and I frankly agree with the consensus decision. However, that consensus didn't include being blocked forever from the entire site. So, once you have cooled off and have considered areas where you can improve in terms of following policy, I hope that you will ask to be unblocked. You can ask on the basis that you have contributed a lot of valuable content outside of the topic area you have been banned from, and I can attest to that. I would also recommend re-committing yourself to a more cooperative editing experience and vow not to repeat the recent mistakes. If you are concerned you cannot work on Muhammad Ali in India, I would be happy to help steward your changes into article space, given the topic ban doesn't extend to your user space where you can develop a copy of the article. The bottom line is that your work is missed and the Wikipedia needs the positive side of your work. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Nomination of Rana Ayyub for deletionEdit
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Speedy deletion nomination of Muhammad Ali vs. Leon SpinksEdit
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