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If you've never seen...Edit

. . .Veiled Christ click on the image two or three times to enlarge it. This almost unbelievable 1753 sculpture ("how'd he do that?"), carved from one piece of marble, is the only Wikipedia article which has to prove, with sources, that it is not the work of an alchemist. Step right up, and don't miss the two pillows with tassels or the crown of thorns and other torture things down by the feet, all of this carved from that same block of marble. Literally a few steps from that statue sits another "how'd he do that?" piece also carved from a single block of marble (or created by alchemy).

Best vandal edit in the categories of...Edit

This one time at band camp I vandalized a pageEdit

The docents ask people: "Find the cat". Letting the coolness of it lead me to break my oath as a Wikipedian, I now self-identify as a vandal.

Always interestingEdit

See and listen to Wikipedia edits as they occur. Designed by Stephen LaPorte and Mahmoud Hashemi of, the link was copied from a user page, don't remember where, but it's deservedly on quite a few as well as having its own article. Just who is making all this noise? Well...

...the size of our stadiumEdit

Here is another user's subpage about how many Wikipedians can dance on the head of a pin.


A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Barnstar of Diligence
Barnstar of Diligence to you. They called him Marius (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, much appreciated. Enjoy your time on Wikipedia! Randy Kryn (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

"Book 4" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Book 4. Since you had some involvement with the Book 4 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. ―Susmuffin Talk 12:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Tags removed from {{Orders of magnitude}} listsEdit

Hi, I'm curious why you decide to remove some of the {{More citations needed}} tags from these pages since a lot of them still have quite a few unsourced entries. Ionmars10 (talk) 11:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Ionmars10, hello as well. The tags I removed were from articles which already had dozens of references, and in some cases over a hundred (one had 172 references). These tags seemed to be put on solely because some information in them wasn't cited. Others were from pages which asked for more references with tags from 2009 or earlier and where references had been added since. Almost every one of the six million articles on English Wikipedia could arguably be tagged with a morecites needed tag. When a page already is well cited, especially list pages such as these which hopefully have page watchers who patrol for vandals, spammers, and incorrect entries, they seem to deserve a noncluttered introduction. A page by page decision as to when to tag for morecites does of course help the encyclopedia, yet pages with 40, 70, 80, or 172 references have enough, in some editors opinions. At some point we have to trust that the overall page is fine and doesn't need the large top-tags even though, in some cases, individual in-text facts have citationneeded tags. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

The cat's out of the bagEdit

Talk:Cat#Big cats a thing of the past? was turning into a hairy situation, and I don't want to see people claw at each other, nor have this dispute mewling away into archival before it's been settled. I've tried to lure some attention to the discussion via a cross-post at WT:FELIDS. Hopefully more editors will pounce on the issue (though not on each other).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  21:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I'll bring the catnip (which, by the way, effects only 2/3rds of cats, valerian picks up lots of the rest. never knew that until about a year and a half ago). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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Sermon on the MountEdit

Hi, I noticed you removed the hatnote. Hatnotes are to help readers navigate. They aren't only for articles with related topics. In this case, the titles differ by only one letter; someone could easily wind up there by hitting the wrong letter on the keyboard. I only revised the existing hatnote, so evidently I wasn't the only one to think so. But if you want to ask for input on the talk page or somewhere else, I have no objections. Have a good day! -- (talk) 07:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

The hatnote was to a speech nicknamed Sermon on the Mound, obviously a pun on the name. But I don't think there's a Wikipedia policy to hatnote every item that's one letter off, or a pun of a title. Thanks for letting me know that the edit has been questioned. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
There isn't a policy one way or the other. WP:HATNOTE says they're for assisting the reader. I really have no strong feelings about this, but I do see where the person who inserted it was coming from. What do you think about asking for input at the article talk? -- (talk) 04:14, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I'm fine with it not being a hatnote, although you can ask for more input on the talk page. A pun on a name doesn't have to be included as a hatnote. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:23, 15 February 2020 (UTC)


Hey my friend, just fyi... Redirect: [[Prison Ship Martyrs' Monument 2.0]] doesn't work anymore. So please omit the colon, as in Prison Ship Martyrs' Monument 2.0. Thank you for your service ;>)  Paine  14:49, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Paine, I've always used the colon for redirects so will keep this in mind. The bots keep moving the goalposts! Randy Kryn (talk) 00:33, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
There was a bug report awhile back, and until the bug was fixed, a colon was necessary. Bug's been fixed, so a colon is no longer necessary, and in fact, a colon can cause problems, for example, this particular colon caused a malformed move request at Talk:Statue of Edward Snowden#Requested move 16 February 2020. That was about a nine on my Weird-Shit-o-meter. Best to you! PI Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 02:28, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Section copied from aboveEdit

...could it be? If that would be mine, we'd both shine, still living for today in these last copied days and times. Seriously though, Nas ain't noise, and even his old white-bread single sent a certain subsonic signal through the snot in the middle of an elephant's long, wet, cold, gray nose. And sure, "nose" doesn't rhyme with "walls", but kicking a wikkity-wak weasel in the dick sure does. Where there's a will, there's a way, Macho Man, and when the lemon juice dries, I think we'll all see LaPorte and Hashemi designed this inner rock city not for the night, like how we do in Bug City, but for the tunes. Now I hear a thunder in the distance and see a television cross, so good luck with recreating your own prison here, my friend. I'll never forget how you were the only one to comfort me when Poppy scared my bajeesus clean off from miles away. But if you choose to imagine a better world outside these walls, as well, may your beagle land where it is always supposed to...home. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

InedibleHulk, yeah, you're a deep thinking poet essayist that most people won't get, and they and I will wonder why you post while whatever on or not on something you enjoy (and if you're on something or sober why are you not writing a fiction or commentary book or essay or book of poetry? You're a writer, use that talent.) I don't understand 80 percent of what you've said above, but will read it a few times to see what you're going on about but, you're welcome. I haven't checked in on Poppy-world since we communicated last time, I'm going to have to listen to that latest album's songs more than once or twice. Her best is yet to come. Okay, cool off, enjoy the virus spread, and good to have you back editing (although with the way you express yourself wouldn't be surprised if some admin somewhere drags you to one of those Wikipedia court pages). It's definitely like a novel that Tom Hanks has become the American face of the virus. Thanks again, enjoy. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the link Home, never went to that page and tossed in some good edits. Will edit drift away from it now, but will come back. The home page does need some help, and it may be a good page for the "article of the week" which the whole community is called to work on. Getting some good editors on that one will really improve an important article. Inspiration Inedible. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
In layman's terms, I suspect you caught that "always interesting" noisemaker from my user page ("Are You High?). This, of course, may be a mixed drink of common confirmation bias and my own pure vanity. The elephant's nose and Bug City allude to The Presidents of the United States of America, not the similarly-named list of political figures or that book I accidentally Wikilinked. Listen to the band, don't listen to Trump, no opinion on that book. The lemon juice represents ACME's Disappearing Reappearing Ink, from the 1989 classic film about a stupid rabbit's love for a cartoonishly-hot human, and a jaded poet kicking a naysaying caricature where the sun don't burn. Poppy is Poppy (clearly) and "Don't Go Outside" has aged well (subjectively), but on my side of this viral story, Tom Hanks' character is played by Justin Trudeau. The television cross signifies Creed's "My Own Prison". Regardless of our feelings on Stapp's lyrics, melodramatic delivery or drinking, Tremonti is a damn god, guitarwise.
I respect your choice to spruce up the Home article, and your ambition for the Home page, but I disagree with your notion that I'll stick around. I already had my Kafkaesque trial, explicitly silenced by the admin Swarm. You thought I was Wolf Blitzer or whatever, remember? Good times, but in the immortal words of Homer, "This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit!" And so I must put down my girly pen, and get back to sheathing my sword like a mad anthropomorphic hare. Somewhere over the mass coronal ejection, a cartoonishly-hot blonde awaits, and she isn't getting any younger. Before the news tells me years of Wikipedia exposure have left my unmentionables "withered and useless", I'm blowing this joint and then signing off until audiences return to television, my body lies over the ocean and the cat drags my bonny back in to me.
If it makes you feel better, I have used my writing gift where it matters, just under the pseudonym my parents gave me. "InedibleHulk" is fine for what it was, but what it was was always commercially unviable. When a cellar door closes, an attic window blows open. And when chaos is no longer a ladder, a raven stops being a writing desk. There's gold in that setting sun, or my name ain't Humpty Dumpty! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the long explanations, Humpty Dumpty, will have to mental-map some of it by making some of the connections. Never a Creed fan or had any attention on them, and have no idea who Stapp or Tremonti are, so I'll at least dip an ear into their music because of your recommendation. Good luck in all you do. A damn fine writer, Wikipedia's loss will be your gain. But the pedia isn't going anywhere, so will always be a Home away from home. Will play a little more on the Home page in your Wikipedian honor, seems applicable, and maybe others can poke it around. Enjoy Paris when you get there (first time or again). Randy Kryn (talk) 03:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Look what you've inspired this time. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Nice! And your 420-byte nomination is double nice! And these threes everywhere...terrifyingly appropriate, tres bien! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Back atch ya (The nom alluded to, articles for improvement). Smooth sailing. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
As you may have noticed, something came up. That ship, disengagement, this realm...illusions! You'd think I'd have known I'd be weeping into a household handkerchief from my homely portico while a haunting harpsichord line swells louder and louder and louder from beneath familiar floorboards by my incessant callbacks to that one scene in that one episode of that one series where that one lucky dead bastard gets to have all the fun he wants with his star-crossed lover (real and imagined), but nope. Go figure, eh? Anyway, good job picking up on how something as overlooked as a home might be important later to so many, you actual genius! I may have a way with words, but I know nothing of basic human psychology on a less superficial level. That's why I promise to not take in any COVID orphans and raise them as if they were my own vengeful archers. This Northern watcher remembers that going south in a hurry, but forget to whom. That's not important, though. The important thing is I saw what you did last spring. All the things you said, running through your head. About the moon. Is it just a cyclical thing, or are you a lunatic? Sometimes thinking about the moon is fun. Sometimes thinking about whether famous historical figures were lunatics is fun. Did you know T.A.T.u. were considered fun once? I like it when old things are new again. Can borrowed things be blue again? Poppy is trapped in America! During her "last" concert dates, she covered a new song. Some say she exposed an old one, though, and I should say her "most recent" concert dates. Are those people crazy? Or just lunatics? You ever hear of a song called "Lunatic Fringe" or a tribe called Red Rider south of the wall? If you have time, now that teachers are leaving those kids alone, Google it! I forget who plays guitar, but that riff's a damn god where I'm stuck! After you're finished howling at the moon (sha-nah nanah) and revisiting "six feet deep" lyrics, may I also recommend Phil Ochs? He's not as young and metallic as the true legends used to be, but somebody told me that he met a sailor that looked a girlfriend that I had in February of that year. It's not confidential, folk has potential to come rushing around! Spread the echo, test for joy, don't start believin'! Seriously though, death is Journey, not some rancid destination unknown. Ruby, ruby, ruby Ruby Soho! It just keeps going and going...that dread harpsichord, I mean. I thought those things weren't supposed to get louder. Anyway, don't fear the TV that says we're out of time. Fear the EP that says "Choke". I don't care if you previously enjoyed climbing "Holy Mountain", it'll just have to be the only time we got to! Countdown...5,4,3,2,1, soap. When a Care Bear can no longer go over the hill to see what cousins they can see, it stops being nothing but a cabbage head my grandma sent to me. Many a mile bugs travel, a thousand ears or so, but none have heard of a head of cabbage with hair upon it befo'. In other words, "Green Jello sucks!" Ironically, anyway. Like rain on your wedding day, freezing o'er your balls, with not a soul to hear. That's "literally" all the truth I know. At this hour, anyway. A lot can come back to one's senses in an hour, you know? Cheers to whatever floats your socially-distant boat, and fuck whatever gets your rhetorical goat! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I hope you are doing well in the time of the plague. Using a talk page for creative writing, okay, thanks. Yet editing Wikipedia, that's why we're here, and where most of my attention is when I come here, so understand when I don't jump into the stream-of-consciousness game. Home passed and is on the articles-needing editing list, thanks for inspiring that. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I'd give my well-being a C grade, up from a D when I wrote that. But no worries, I'm not asking you to participate. You don't know the rules (I don't know the rules!). Just blowing off steam and recommending tunes. Music and productive editing can co-exist, I believe. But yeah, I'll check my personal luggage at the door next time. You're welcome! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Also, I had no idea you were into goat images, until now. As you say, well-timed universe! Cheers to vitamins, man! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, and please pull that C up to an A, maybe with consistent daily Vitamin C supplementation of several thousand grams spaced out during the day, which is what the discussion about the goat image below concerns. I'm not into goat images, but not a'gin 'em either. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Never! Even in the best of times, I was a B. As Manson's children once droned, "When all of your wishes are granted, many of your dreams will be destroyed." Marilyn, that is, not Charles. I look like Charlie, but sure don't feel like him. He inspired System of a Down's "ATWA", though, so he wasn't a total waste of space. If you ever want to hear such greasy kid stuff, but without the distortion and screaming, maybe check out Vitamin String Quartet. Same chords, same melodies, no lyrics. More of a placebo, but hey, those sometimes work. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

John Lewis (civil rights leader)Edit

Hi, Randy... sorry I have been a stranger lately. I even missed the just prior move discussion. I've just had my worst health year ever—from the terrifying to the ridiculous—but evidently no lasting harm (the ridiculous was gout-I thought that was limited to Henry VIII, Dr. Johnson, and Hogarth's works). Anyway, could you poke me if I miss any changes at this article? — It really, really ought to be rewritten to a decent level while Lewis is still with us, and that would go a long way preventing the article being cluelessly jerked around. Thanks. (Today's NYT has a very good article with lots of graphs that shows how shockingly many republicans believe SARS Covid19 is a hoax—and why! Stay safe. — Neonorange (Phil) 01:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, and will keep watch of the page. Hoping all is well now. The RM at John Lewis has been well served by your comments, that's a primary title waiting to happen but not everyone sees it that way. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I could go into more detail on my scares, but why bother? Even had my health problems not disappeared, they would seem trivial in this pandemic.
Good health and an elbow-bump to you. — Neonorange (Phil) 18:38, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Alfred WordenEdit

 On 19 March 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Alfred Worden, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Vitamin C and the goat imageEdit

In my opinion the image of the goat and the statement that goats synthesize 13,300 mg/day daily, and more when stressed (from a 1973 article not available on line), implies that humans should consume far more than the 45-90 mg/day recommended by various government organizations, and more when stressed. Even if the goat information is true, it turns out that goats maintain a serum concentration barely double the norm for humans (information I recently added to the article). And there are few if any evidences that humans increasing vitamin C intake in times of stress (ill defined) gain any health benefit. David notMD (talk) 13:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

[for accidental page lurkers, this is about an edit at Vitamin C concerning an existing image and caption] I'm not a doctor either, but from research and experience I'd say that humans should consume much, much more than the 45-90 mgs. daily recommended for humans, and have personally taken a 1,000 mg. tablet three or four times a day every day since February, 1995. I'd suggest that the image and caption of a goat on the page be replaced with one of a zoo-captive chimpanzee or gorilla. The caption would include the governmental requirement for supplemental daily ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) for captive or kept primates. Last time I looked, quite awhile ago, was that zoos had to supplement their captive primates with an average human-weight equivalent of 3,400 mgs. a day. If you'd like to do a little research, please check to see what the government requirement is now. Thanks. [to accidental lurkers, this discussion references the fact that primates cannot create ascorbic acid in their bodies, unlike almost 100% of all other animals, insects, plants, and other life forms, whose bodies' make and process it continuously] Randy Kryn (talk) 17:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
FYI - My PhD is from MIT in Nutritional Biochemistry, with a minor in Human Nutrition. I will search for information on primate nutrition and primate serum vitamin C. David notMD (talk) 21:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Duly accidentally noted. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020Edit

Lo and behold, the smallest known dinosaur in flight

  Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Bee hummingbird. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Why would you enter "smallest dinosaur" on this page? Try to be more constructive, and use WP:SCIRS sources. Zefr (talk) 17:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Hi Zefr. Almost lol (just smiling out loud). The edit in the text that I made said that the bee hummingbird is the smallest known dinosaur. Which is true. Where is the disruptive context of the edit? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • p.s. The reversal. Maybe give more thought to tossing up warning templates per much ado about nothing, and consider giving a shout out to a talk page discussion instead. Warning templates presented by one editor to another should mean something serious, so please, when you are about to give your next few to ignorant users like myself, maybe think about it just before the habit takes hold again. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Provide a WP:SCIRS review where an expert(s) says a hummingbird is a dinosaur, then I'll gladly revert and apologize. --Zefr (talk) 21:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The Bird article and Dinosaur article, among many others, call birds avian dinosaurs, with many references. Wikipedia's descriptor for extinct dinosaurs is non-avian dinosaur. If you'd want to dispute those encyclopedic definitions then I'd think a full RfC would be needed. Whatever you decide, there is certainly no need for an apology, especially since you acted in good faith which, by Wikipedian courtesy, we assume of each other until shown otherwise. All I'm saying above is that templating other editors might be better thought out and rare (but since I've never used one on anybody, I must assume good faith that you thought I should be templated, so all is well). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)