The term "progressive" is a euphamism for extreme far Leftist. It is considered outside the mainstream Jewish community if Jewish at all. It is anti-Zionist, Israel and against believers of Classical Judaism. Any description of its influence is pure pr. Their loss of income reflects their lack of readership and influence.

Someone did a "drive by" to leave the above message.

I will eventually move it further down, per common Wiki custom, but for now- I can't identify the alleged use of progressive - can someone, whether the driver or someone reading this, care to leave a clue? -Pi314m.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Job Entry Subsystem 1 (JES1)Edit

Hello Pi314m,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Job Entry Subsystem 1 (JES1) for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. For more details please see the notice on the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Montanabw(talk) 19:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I left a note yesterday and earlier today added some more details to the article. In particular, I made reference to both IBM's "proclamation" about JES1 ("..the most important...") and the technical article in IBM Systems Journal. Pi314m (talk) 07:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

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For work on various models of System 370. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
noted. Thanks Pi314m (talk) 08:05, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Chidush for deletionEdit

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Please don't do cut and paste moves
**was a merger**
Edit

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I'm adding more details. It's not just a simple move; due to how IBM made the (3 part) intro Sept '90, it's a MERGER, not a move. Pi314m (talk) 21:44, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Please see the TALK page for
IBM System/390 ES/9000 Enterprise Systems Architecture ESA family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IBM_System/390_ES/9000_Enterprise_Systems_Architecture_ESA_family

Pi314m (talk) 23:52, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Melech (Anglicized from Hebrew) listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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You are creating redirects that will never be used. For example, aveilim (mourners) is never going to be typed in the search bar. If you are going to create redirects, please use redirects that have a small chance of being used. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:10, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
The purpose of the "Melech (Anglicized from Hebrew)" and the "Aveilim (Mourners)" redirects is for use in articles. Pi314m (talk) 05:23, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Aveilim (Mourners) listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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explanation of aveilim (mourners) as part of a "layering"Edit

Mouseover-ing on aveilim (coded as: [[aveilim (mourners)|aveilim]] would show the desired 1-word translation. For more details, the REDIRECT would point to Bereavement in Judaism#Terminology and timing which is a collection of 1-liners that have internal links to parts of the larger article, which in turn, in many cases, have a Main article header/hatnote.

One comment above is that [[aveilim (mourners)]] would be more useful in lowercase than my initial [[Aveilim (Mourners)]]. I agree.

This layering is something new, and can be seen in per a simulated quote:

"A neighbor of the aveilim ..."

Moving the mouse to "aveilim"
will show "aveilim (mourners)" and
clicking will bring the reader, via #REDIRECT [[Bereavement in Judaism#Terminology and timing]] to . . . the 1-liners.
Clicking on that 1-liner's internal link will . . . bring forth more and more detail, as needed. Pi314m (talk) 23:52, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Petira (passing) listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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Aveilim (mourners) listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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You really need to stop with your disruptive editing. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Throwaway code:

If by "disruptive" you mean what looks like "throwaway code" - the new redirect to demo the layering I was trying to describe, your accusation is actually subject to a well known Talmudic principal: BeMooMoe Hu PoSail, the accuser actually has that fault and is most comfortable accusing others.
BeMooMoe means with his fault. PoSail= he disqualifies (other definitions also). Sorry if I appear to be rude, since I don't really want to feel under attack and I'd like to see here why I shouldn't take this accusation a bit wider. I'm trying to be helpful, not disruptive.
Even when it comes to a search bar, why do you assume that it means Wiki?
Google can suggest something without getting caught up in upper case, lower case, paren/comma/etc. It's a plus here. -
Google "throwaway program" OR "throwaway code" OR "throw away program" OR "throw away code" site:wikipedia.org

One snippet says:

  • It is not deliverable code, but is not throwaway code either, being typically retained for use in regression testing.
Here, it can be the model for the Lower case of "(Mourners)"

another says

  • It might just be a very narrow implementation of the functionality but is not throw away code. It is of production quality, and ...
Why not open up the discussion to whether my "layering" is a good-enough interim implementation of the Mouseover feature that one Wiki article says Wiki doesn't yet have.

/* timestamp this, and accept fellow Wiki person's request to not answer on THEIR talk page; likewise, for now keep this just HERE */ Pi314m (talk) 03:26, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Editing without discussionEdit

Can I ask you to please discuss your edits on the talk page first? You are routinely adding in confusing information, and you are using ref tags when you shouldn't be. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks, bot. It was a case of missing a (newly) "broken" line. Pi314m (talk) 00:48, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

mouseover redirectsEdit

The consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 February 6 was weakly against the two redirects you created with the explanation that they be used as "mouseovers" to explain the foreign language terms. However, if you feel strongly about them I would suggest that you start a discussion somewhere in project space (perhaps one of the village pumps) about using them generally. If there is consensus in favour of the idea in such a discussion then it's likely that there would be little opposition to recreating the redirects either as was or in slightly different form (depending on how the discussion goes). If you do start that discussion, it would be courteous to ping those people who participated in the RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Yisroel BelskyEdit

Please see the discussion on the talk page re: WP:RS. --Jersey92 (talk) 05:14, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

ZmanimEdit

I reverted (AGF) your recent change. Please describe at Talk:Zmanim: What is it that you want to be able to accomplish by adding those tags to the section headers that you can't do now? I just don't get it. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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I appreciate your participation and welcome your comment at WP:AfD. However, I find your posts there to confusing because you don't indent at all. Please try to follow what other editors do. Example:

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MVCL atomicEdit

I'm puzzled by the statement in Z/Architecture that both MVPG and MVCL are atomic. Details are in talk on that page. Clem Dickey (talk) 17:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

detailed response is @ Talk:Z/Architecture Pi314m (talk) 19:13, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

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Notable vs. interesting.Edit

In the AfD on MyDefrag, you state "A DeFrag program, described in the second sentence as "inclusion of a scripting language" is not notable?".

No, that's not notable. That's interesting, but not notable.

There's a lot of interesting things in the world, but that may not make them notable. And there's a lot of totally uninteresting things in the world that are, sadly, notable.

In this case the definition of notable is that the program has some sort of coverage in something that would be considered reliable and general. If you know of any reviews in something like PC World, then you hit notability no problem.

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above is re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MyDefrag Pi314m (talk) 20:50, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Dot matrix printersEdit

Hi. I reverted you at Dot matrix printers for two reasons. The first is that I don't see why we need two articles on this topic. Is there some reason why we need separate articles on dot matrix printers and dot matrix printing? If not, then the correct solution is to rename ("move") the existing article, not to create a new article with a different title.

The second reason is that even if we need two articles, the article title guideline would require the new article to be Dot matrix printer, not Dot matrix printers. Except in special cases, we don't use plural nouns as article titles.--Srleffler (talk) 07:20, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Rather than deal with dot matrix, dot matrix printing, the tidbits from the CZECH (translated) article, and the various other articles, all with Wiki notes atop them, I did a mini-blow-it-up/start all over. My goal was an article from which to not only have a stand-along but also a collection of sources for the others too.
As for single/plural, the goal was to incorporate not only DEC dot matrix printers, which would not by itself justify the plural, but also -- as it makes sense -- incorporate info re other brands/implementations. The article already had some info along these lines.
Although I didn't incorporate DETAILS re the serial vs. parallel interface issue, a MAJOR matter at the time due to people needing collections of various types of cables (boxes under some administrators' desks), etc. etc. FOR THIS REASON, PLURAL is the correct usage.
A box of apples, oranges and grapefruits might be called by some a box of fruit, and by others a box of FRUITS, since there are multiple types.

Even if my example is a bit "fruity," the reason for the plural can be justified re " Except in special cases, we don't use plural nouns as article titles." Pi314m (talk) 07:35, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
The more direct answer is: The concept of DOT MATRIX PRINTING is also, logically, about laser printing and inkjet printing. Dot Matrix PRINTERS are hardware. Pi314m (talk) 07:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
There currently is an intermix of CONCEPT (including the article on Dot Matrix) and Implementation. Rather than change the tires while the truck is rolling, I'm building a new box (to mix metaphors). Editing OUT what is in the wrong place, if I'm successful, will also be part of this; citations too. Pi314m (talk) 08:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Progress report: I added re impact vs non-impact to the Dot matrix article. There actually were TWO NYTimes articles that addressed this, but I only cited one, and not even the better of the pair. The HARDWARE info is in the wrong article. Pi314m (talk) 08:51, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Near-letter qualityEdit

The article can't be at Near-letter quality because that is an adjective phrase. See WP:NOUN. Your comment "'printing' is about the effect/output; 'printers' is about hardware. This article has at present just one sentence about SOFTWARE for ..." doesn't make sense. The article is about the method of printing, not about printers per se. If it were about printers, the correct title would be Near letter quality printer. I started a page-move discussion at Talk:Near-letter quality

You should not have moved the article back by copying text from one page to another. That's not allowed. For technical and legal reasons, articles have to be moved by using the "Move" button at the top, or by starting a move discussion on the talk page, which will call an administrator to help with the move.--Srleffler (talk) 12:51, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Merged articles and copyright violation.Edit

I note that you have merged the articles Handheld PC and Palm-size PC into Palmtop PC. I also note that your merge was challenged in that it was not properly carried out. Once it was challenged you should not have re-merged without obtaining consensus on the talk page.

You appear to have merged the articles in such a way that the original articles no longer exist. Of greater importance is that the article edit histories also no longer seem to exist. Your merge would therefore be a copyright violation as the contribution history for the text that you moved has in fact been lost. Wikipedia takes copyright attribution very seriously.

I would advise you to completely undo what you have done (if you don’t someone else surely will), propose the merge at the appropriate talk page giving your reasons (which on the face of it are not unreasonable), and await suitable consensus (which would most likely be forthcoming). You should also follow the merge procedure precisely in order to preserve the edit histories of the source article. If the source articles and edit histories have been deleted, you may need to seek administrator intervention to find out where they went and to restore them.

I assume, of course, that you have never merged articles before, and that you are acting in good faith. In which case, good luck in future contributions.

Forget that, I see what you have done wrong. You put the source articles in quotes in the merged-from templates. I have corrected the error, and moved the templates to the correct place. Someone else may well still reverse the merge on the grounds of no consensus, but that is their issue. 85.255.236.16 (talk) 15:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Warning: Stop to merge articles without prior discussion and community consensus!Edit

Pi314m, stop trying to merge the two unrelated articles Handheld PC and Palmtop PC. These are two different classes of machines and it does not make sense to discuss them in a single article. As I told you already, don't carry out such edits without prior discussion or against consensus, as you did twice already. If you continue these kinds of edits, they will have to be regarded as vandalism which may led to a block. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Based on Wtshymanski's comment right after yours (TALK,Palmtop PC,19:30, 21 January 2018) I reviewed sources, did more research,and after noting/commenting that the "stable" articles had few if any sources,I made sure that my renewed efforts was better. I didn't ignore your comments,and if anything I was trying to act on the comment
"Explanation of the difference would be very valuable."

As for "as you did twice already" it really was once per Wiki encouragement of "Be Bold" and then after "Explanation of the difference would be very valuable." I too can and hopefully will learn from what you said on the article talk page as "You can start a merge discussion and if,

at the end of this discussion (typically after several months), there will be consensus for a merge, we can carry it out. Otherwise, the articles stay separate. Pi314m (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Tzvi Hirsch BraudeEdit

Hello Pi314m,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Tzvi Hirsch Braude for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

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Edits to PencilEdit

Hi Pi314m, I've noticed you have made several recent edits to the article Pencil. Although I initially reverted them for breaking the article's formatting, I believe that they should not be reinstated anyway due to the following reasons:

  • Taking excessive information away from the lead section is against the Wikipedia rules. The relevant Manual of Style page states:

    The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic

    Your edits remove the bulk of the content summarising the topic and reduce it to a simple definition.

  • The alternate names you gave only apply to "normal" pencils. According to the relevant Wikipedia policy page:

    When this title is a name, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph.

    As the article's topic covers various types of pencils - for example, coloured pencils, these names are misleading.

  • Adding the list of pencil types is unnecessary.

    The article already has a types section further down, and adding it up above is repetitive given that the extant section is pretty short.

  • The "Ongoing marketplace success" section is irrelevant. Wikipedia policy states that:

    Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing; accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability, and articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context.

    Also, the info you provided is too US-centric.

I apologise for being so harsh, but I would appreciate you making more effort to be familiar with Wikipedia policy and layout before making future similar changes.User:Axisixa [t] [c] 09:28, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

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I think you may have misunderstood what we mean by "citation" when we have a maintenance tag indicating that a citation is needed. (As for example in Data center).

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@SD0001: I added Categ. re 20th/21st cent. rabbis, also modified "rabbi-stub" to "Israel-rabbi-stub" Pi314m (talk) 16:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Under ConstructionEdit

Good work on outsourcing. Just a quick tip to consider using an Template:Under Construction when doing a series of edits as it helps prevents edit conflicts and stops people worrying if something isn't perfect. I'm currently not planning to edit outsourcing myself but obviously you're triggering my watchlist. I'd currently note the article does not mention how some outsourcing (e.g. cleaning, catering) is not core business and can be easily substituted whereas others e.g. bespoke software maintenance may be difficult to switch to another supplier or bring back in-house. Also the article may not indicate the risks of an outsourcing supplier withdrawing service through collapse, contract enforcement or possibly threatening to increase costs through being in a monopoly supply position. Just a couple of thoughts. My concentration is really elsewhere. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I've used Under Construction in a few situations, and perhaps my hesitation to over-do it has tipped in favor of using your suggestions to perhaps make a bit more use thereof. As of the supplier problem, thanks for the reminder. I know how important it was in the Y2K era, when there was both fear and legitimate concern that a supplier's Y2K failure could "domino" into an unanticipated problem. Once again, thanks. Pi314m (talk) 09:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

McDonald Avenue on Template:Streets of BrooklynEdit

Regarding your edit - it is "McDonald Av" because that is what literally on the street signs. Every other avenue is abbreviated "Av." and it should be kept that way unless we change every other entry to "Ave." Otherwise it looks out of place. Better yet, we could remove the abbreviations, but I don't think that will be necessary.

And there is no need to put (Brooklyn) at the article. Unless there is another McDonald Avenue with a Wikipedia article, the parentheses aren't needed per WP:PRECISE. I just want to sincerely say, though - good work on the Brooklyn avenue's article. epicgenius (talk) 22:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

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Rewrite of Continuous data protection sub-section in BackupEdit

Yesterday you merged the merged the former Continuous data protection article into Backup. I can understand why you did it, but you thereby wiped out a separate article without any prior discussion on that article's Talk page. I believe that's a violation of WP rules, and I intend to be up your tuchus about that.

But what really bothers me is that, after I spent about 5 hours editing your inserted sub-section into early this morning, you reverted all my editing. IMHO myy editing was necessary because the Continuous data protection article left out an inconvenient fact about many recent "CDP" backup applications, was poorly worded in places, and had references from 2007 - 2012 that were basically marketing blurbs for software that no longer exists—in one case written by a marketer whose software company went out of business after an uncontested fine for bribery.

I really don't understand why you did the revert. You don't seem to have done any previous editing on the merged-in article, so why would you be so determined to prevent any changes except your own? I've spelled out in detail here why I made the changes I did after your merge. The only item I deleted was the sentence about bandwidth throttling, and that's because the only reference for it other than the Pogue article that glancingly mentioned it was a marketing-oriented article from 2010.

Come on over to the Talk page for the article, and let's see if we can work out a compromise that won't require me to take further action. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 21:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I just discovered another thing that you did that's definitely a violation of Wikipedia rules. You "merged" the first paragraph of "Information Repository" into the Backup article, and then deleted the entire "Information Repository" article. You weren't entitled to delete that article under rule 4 of the Wikipedia:Deletion policy. That's because IMHO that article does have "relevant or encyclopedic content", even though it describes a system that is a superset of what SoleraTec had developed by around 2008. Your tuchus is likely to be very populated, especially after I inform SoleraTec LLC of what you've done. Again, come on over to the Talk page for the article, and let's see if we can work out a compromise that won't require me to take further action. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 11:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I did what I said I intended to do, but you promptly messed that up by moving my clarified version of the "Create synthetic full backups" paragraph to the front of the article, and by totally wiping out the "Automated data grooming" paragraph because you couldn't logically fit it up front under "Backup types". I'm about fed up with your "my way or the highway, even if I don't understand what I'm editing and violate WP rules" approach to the Backup article. If I don't get a response from you by 3 p.m. EDT this afternoon on Talk:Backup, I'm going to file for a 3O.

(Below is a copy of what I added to Talk:Backup)
This is not a response to the anatomy-attacking and other threats, but just to highlight that "Automated data grooming" (which perhaps I should have worked on earlier) is now ahead of "Consolidation." Explanation? The flow/sequence is now Deletion ("Automated ..."), then consolidation, followed by compression, etc. Pi314m (talk) 07:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but your messed-up response (including refs that aren't to the articles intended) is not nearly good enough to make me put off the 3 p.m. deadline. You seems to have a conceptual problem with the basic sequence of the article; see the article Talk page for my full explanation. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 13:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Here follows a set of comments intended to convince you that your trying to "help out" with the "Backup" article is not in fact helpful, because you didn't ask anybody on the Talk page what would be helpful. I'll start with a relevant personal non-IT anecdote. Since having two operations for severe spinal stenosis last summer, I have to use a rollator outside my apartment. I frequently have to speak sharply to members of the waitstaff at my local Japanese restaurant, where I remove the basket from my folded-up rollator before storing both pieces in the coat closet. They insist on "helping" with removing the basket and putting it back on, and have already bent the basket hooks twice. At my local pizza/pasta restaurant—which has only a revolving door, I frequently have to speak very sharply to other customers who insist on "helping" me by spinning the door too fast while I am maneuvering the rollator slowly through it. I understand that blind people have learned not to stand at street corners, because passers-by—seeing the white cane—frequently insist on being "helpful" by grabbing the blind person's elbow and dragging him/her across the street without first asking the blind person whether he/she wants to cross. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 01:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

With that in mind, let's proceed to a summary of the "Backup" article's history. Mainly between 2007 and 2011, the first 7 screen-pages of the article evolved as a comprehensive summary of what every computer-using person should know about data backup. It had very few references, because Wikipedia standards in those days permitted Making Stuff Up from generally-accepted "crowd wisdom". It was rather wordy, because editors had to assume minimal prior IT knowledge on the part of the reader.

I first edited the "Backup" article in November 2017. I had written a 10-screen-page article about a particular enterprise client-server backup application, which other Wikipedia editors insisted (via an RFC in September 2017) I drastically reduce to 2 screen-pages that were less than a historically-based condensed User's Guide to the application. I soon guessed that most of the application's features added since 2007 were common to competing client-server backup applications, because I knew the then-owner of the application discussed in my article was a large corporation with knowledge of backup requirements of medium-to-large enterprise customers. So (acting on a suggestion I solicited in the Teahouse) I moved the description of those features to a new 2-screen-page "Enterprise client-server backup" section at the end of the "Backup" article—using the references from the other article but omitting any explicit naming of the application. There followed an epic-but-friendly three month battle with editor JohnInDC, during which I found terminology for the equivalent features in two competing enterprise client-server backup applications—and was therefore able to make the new section reasonably application-independent by adding references to those equivalent features.

For 5 months I avoided editing the first 7 screen-pages of the "Backup" article, because I didn't want to disturb prior editors of a fairly-satisfactory summary of the requirements for and features of personal backup applications. Then statements in "Storage media" started bothering me, because I knew from the backup hardware experience of my friend that they had become obsolete shortly after 2007. The result was another epic-but-friendly three month battle with editor JohnInDC, resulting in a moderately-reworded but much-better-referenced section. Almost 6 months after that I faced up to the lack-of-standard-terminology problem that pervades the first 7 screen pages of the "Backup" article. The main result of that 4-month battle—as much with myself as with JohnINDC—was the standardization throughout the article of the terms "archive file" and "information repository" and "backup method". I don't much like "archive file", but it's non-proprietary (I don't think the creators of Multics—if they're still alive—can sue) and is generally used within Unix-derived backup applications.

There are 3 lessons to be gained from this history summary:

  1. There are two separate main parts of the "Backup" article aimed a two separate classes of readers—users of personal backup applications and users of enterprise client-server backup applications—and the features described in the two parts are different.
  2. Revising the personal applications part of the article actually took almost as much time as creating the enterprise client-server applications part, because it had to be done carefully in order to avoid destroying 7 screen-pages of mostly-satisfactory text.
  3. The effort involved in editing both parts produced good results because it involved cooperation between two editors.

DovidBenAvraham (talk) 04:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Now that you've been given the necessary historical background of the "Backup" article, let's talk about why your trying to "help out" with the article is not in fact helpful. Having looked at a sample of your other contributions, they seem to fall into three main groups: (1) added descriptions of 30-year-old 4GLs and IBM System/370-related hardware, (2) added information about and discussions of Orthodox-Jewish-related concepts and institutions, and (3) discussion of advertising-related companies and software. I see no indication that your limited technical background has included involvement with an enterprise client-server backup application, although you may use a personal backup application.

You also seem to have an strong urge to merge and simplify descriptions, but accompanied by a willingness to sacrifice the precision of those descriptions. An example is what you did for the "Continuous_data_protection" subsection of the article. The reason I called the references there "marketing" is that they all basically say "it's nice to have backups at more frequent intervals than is normally done with scheduled scripts", but they don't talk about any performance hit. But if you look at the 2017 Carbonite reference you left in (Mozy has been merged into Carbonite), it says "we noticed no performance hit at all while using Carbonite to back up about 0.5GB worth of frequently-changing files ... That's probably because it's not actually done in real time, just on a tight schedule (okay, so maybe there is scheduling): 10 minutes if a file is saved once, 24 hours if it's save[d] more than once." By contrast my 2010 ComputerWeekly reference you deleted says "Because true CDP copies all delta changes, a system can be restored to any point in time required. This can be especially useful if you need to roll back to a point before a corruption event took place, for example. [new paragraph] Because they depend on fixed-interval copies, near-CDP/snapshots only allow you to roll back to a given point in time. For this reason, true CDP offers a recovery point objective (RPO) of zero [my emphasis], while the equivalent for near-CDP/snapshots is the last time a copy took place." Your link for "snapshots" at the end of the sub-section doesn't go anywhere, which is just as well because a correct WP link to "snapshots" goes to an article on "the state of a system at a particular point in time"—a capability used for near-CDP backups instead of a kind of backup (the ComputerWeekly author also got the terminology wrong in 2010). Isn't this, as I suspect, too technical for you—so you consider it too technical for any article reader?

Other examples of how you sacrificed the precision of the "Create synthetic full backups" and "Automated data grooming" paragraphs when you moved them from the "Performance" sub-section to the front part of the article: As I've explained on the article Talk page, creating a synthetic full backup is a process that is not under the control of the user of a personal backup application—but for a fundamentally-different reason is under the control of the administrator of an enterprise client-server backup application. What I didn't previously explain is that automated data grooming is now required for an additional enterprise purpose—the implementation of the GDPR "right of erasure". I inherited a little business selling guitar method books written by my teacher; the last time I sold some books to an EU customer, I was legally obliged to e-mail him offering to erase his sales record from my database within 30 days—and to implement that I would use the newly-enhanced automated data grooming capability of my enterprise client-server backup application. I found out about the legal obligation by taking a seminar on the GDPR offered by my college alumni association, but evidently it's not simplified enough for what you think belongs in the article. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 05:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

In regard to "automated data grooming", I should also mention that "usually implemented as a customizable feature" is an incorrect and totally inadequate substitute for the descriptive paragraph that was in the "Performance" sub-section—which you will find I've copied into the article Talk page section. Personal backup applications usually don't have this as a customizable feature (CrashPlan was an exception, but that turned out to be a designed enterprise "push" application that for a few years was also marketed as a personal backup application). OTOH enterprise backup applications have to have this as a very customizable feature, because each enterprise has its own "regulatory requirements"—as stated in the descriptive paragraph you wiped out in the name of "neatnikism" in creating the inadequate sentence in the front part of the article. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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Can you participate in an RfC in Talk:Backup that concerns your presence? Please and thank you. --NikkeKatski [Elite] (talk) 14:27, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I replied/added to Talk:Backup
There really is enough material "out there" on Enterprise (backup) to justify a standalone article, especially if a history section is given its due. Pi314m (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Pi314m: I truly think that you can make the standalone article work, and I'm sorry if it seemed like (well really DID) amplify any bad light that was being shed on you. I feel like I forgot for a while to WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH. The statement I asked of was more of a precautionary measure as I wanted to make sure that any concerns were put to rest. Clearly I've got a long way to go to become a WikiOtter but I mostly came here just to say sorry regardless of whether or not it came off that way because to me it really felt like I was giving that vibe. If you need another view/opinion on a matter you can always ping me. --NikkeKatski [Elite] (talk) 23:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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Rewrite of Continuous data protection sub-section in Backup revisitedEdit

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Sorry about that. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 03:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

In connection with that discussion, I've been directed to apologize to you for myself using the Wikipedia-fraught v-word (which I've now struck-through) once on the discussion page and 3 times on the "Talk:Backup" page. I've done nothing to my quotations of User:Matthiaspaul. However I reserve the right to right to later use the v-word in connection to what you did to the "Information repository" article, where you merged-in only the two-sentence lead and completely deleted the rest of the article—which contained (and now through my efforts contains again) a description of a type of application that has been implemented at least twice since the article was created in 2007. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 22:45, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of International Association of Outsourcing Professionals for deletionEdit

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Request for Comment on whether "Enterprise client-server backup" should be split from "Backup"—revisitedEdit

As you can see here if you haven't already, "There is a clear consensus that the 'Enterprise client-server backup' section at the end of the article should be separated from the 'Backup' article into a stand-alone article. The content is now at 'Enterprise client-server backup'". That means the split is not just until you feel an "urge to merge"; it's permanent unless and until we get consensus to merge the two articles. Of course you may edit the split-off article, with history (good luck finding any) or anything else, so long as the editing is not destructive. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Just to build upon what I said in my 04:01, 1 July 2019 comment in the 3rd RfC Discussion: If you were editing periodicals for a publishing company, and made changes to the periodicals' content that decreased the average readership by the percentages that you have achieved, I think you would shortly be out of a job. As I said in that comment, the combined average weekday pageviews of the split "Backup" articles (eyeballed by me as 570 + 15 = 585) have decreased from the average weekday pageviews of the un-split article exactly a year ago (eyeballed by me as 670) by about 13%. I just did the same weekday pageviews calculation for the "Outsourcing" article from 3/7/2019 - 6/27/2019 (eyeballed by me as 1550) vs. the same article and its 9 later-merged-in counterparts—"Business Process Outsourcing" was the biggest at 1700—for exactly 1 year earlier (eyeballed by me as 1200 + 7 + 3 + 20 + 0 + 8 + 1700 + 4 + 4 + 0 = 2946). Your results there were even more damaging to readership, with average weekday pageviews down by 47%. For this reason I'd really like to re-merge the "Enterprise client-server backup" article into the "Backup" article—because I don't think most readers can find the split-out article, but I can't do that if you're going to mess up the merged-back article the way you did back in May 2019. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 04:28, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Three weeks answer to pageviews Backup/Outsourcing assertionEdit

[April Fools!] Based on a wiki-recommended source's data, the Paris article dropped from 9,795 pageviews per day in 2015 to 6,704 after the edits to Backup/Outsourcing, a 31.6% loss; the Tokyo article held nearly steady (from 6,106 to 5,896 - a 3.4% loss). Is Paris Burning?

What you're talking about in the paragraph directly above would be an textbook example of post hoc ergo propter hoc, but in my 04:28, 29 July 2019 (UTC) comment above this sub-section I'm talking about the effects of your edits to a related set of articles on the weekday pageviews of the survivor of that set. See my comment in the sub-sub-section below. BTW, thanks for showing me how to do underlining, which I though had been disabled in Wikipedia. Can you show me how to do smilies? DovidBenAvraham (talk) 01:10, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Please see Smiley (smilies) below. Pi314m (talk) 15:59, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Urge to Merge and April 1 (with a corrrection that reads August 1)Edit

[April Fools!] The 2 year old and the 98 year old, average age 50, who were unable to move a light-metal folding table are the statistical counterpart of the (plumber-fixed) backup being discussed regarding reduced readership of the (computer field) backup articles.

Proof: Editing of the Paris article must have been outsourced while the Tokyo article's editing stayed home.

As for this section's name, someone wrote about Columbus sailing in April - a clear typo that probably was meant to read August. For those a bit confused, Columbus' sailing date is linked to Tisha B'Av, for which the secular date would clearly not be April.

To whom is the above primarily addressed? Initials matching Data-Base Admin, but this is not meant to antagonize, just to indicate that a message left on my TALK page suggests he may have an "urge to merge" (back). If asked to vote re concensus to merge (back), I don't plan to vote against. Pi314m (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I have the feeling you're referring to me, which AFAIK it's OK to do directly in a User Talk page. As far as your edits having reduced readership of the "Backup" article, let's go to a more direct proof. Here's a permalink to a pageviews analysis of the article, using a custom range starting on 8 March 2019 and ending on 28 June 2019. Notice that, after you started editing on 21 May 2019, the weekday pageviews start drifting down from about 670 to about 570. The only exceptions, other than sudden spikes that I attribute to "Fight Club fans", are during the brief period when I was editing the "Continuous data protection" sub-sub-section. Painful though that analysis may be to you, I think the drift proves my point—which is why I won't vote to merge back the articles and let you do internal edits on the survivor. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 01:10, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
We've both given ourselves wiggle room: you can vote against or vote neutral. I can vote in favor or, more likely stay neutral. We both still have a choice. As for pageviews, it's a good idea to keep in mind that if someone clicks "X" moments after reading the first few words, it counts the same way as if reading the entire page. Useful and enjoyable content may bring repeat visits, so content does count, but I don't think either of our statements have fully addressed this point. Pi314m (talk) 04:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Smiley (smilies)Edit

To answer your 01:10, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

BTW, thanks for showing me how to do underlining, which I though (sic) had been disabled in Wikipedia. Can you show me how to do smilies?
I considered placement: whether to answer above or go-with-the-flow (which on Wiki I know some prefer/keeping new entries linearly choronological). He who gives us what we have (including Cogito) gave me the thought that I should further recognize your personal comment way above, and add that Refuas/Refuat HaNefesh precedes Refuat HaGuf, so perhaps I can link the "smilies" topic to the "smiling therapy" topic of Norman Cousins ((it wouldn't surprise me if you had followed his Saturday Review magazine - you might also look at this, written by his daughter Sarah)), and bring you to being less "sharp" - the word you used twice in your personal non-IT anecdote above. Here is my on-topic response:

Part of doing smilies depends on one's browser. The barebones ColonRightParen is cute, :) .. but the yellow image in this sentence (☺) depends on Wikimedia's software working with the browser. The specific paren-enclosed text I used is: '''{{emoji|263A}}'''. More details can be found at Template:Emoji. Pi314m (talk) 15:59, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

The evidence from pageviewsEdit

The daily pageviews of the "Backup" article went up on 1 August from under 600 to 1337. There's no high-intensity dispute currently going on about the article, so I don't think the increased viewership is from "Fight Club fans". Instead my guess is it's a result of ransomware and malware being in the news, such as in this story and this story on the Ars Technica "front page". If I'm correct, the IT-affected people reading the article should also be reading the "Enterprise client-server backup" article—because the backup application features discussed there are necessary for fashioning an enterprise's (and that category includes non-profits and local/state governments) coordinated response to such threats. Is your effort to "dumb-down" the "Backup" article, to which my split-off was a defensive reaction, more important than that response? I suggest you consult with HaShem about that tonight and tomorrow. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 18:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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I noticed your post at orthodox Judaism, and your request for a WP:3O where you asked if your edit was vandalism. You attempted to add A LOT of material, much of it questionable. May I suggest you open a section on the talk page of the article, and discuss just ONE of your proposed edits. One that is properly sourced. Discuss with other editors their objections, understand their viewpooints, and see if you can achieve consensus on the point you want add. For example:

In 1880, the number of members of the American Jewry was 250,000. Their numbers swelled with European Orthodox Jewish migration in the closing decades of the 19th century and opening decades of the 20th century to 3.5 million by 1924.[1]:p.77 This migration was discouraged by several Rabbis, stating that the American environment was not conducive to Jewish observance, an observation many Jews agreed with, but only after settling in the United States.[1]:p.78[2]

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  1. ^ a b Zev Eleff (July 2016). Modern Orthodox Judaism: A Documentary History. U of Nebraska Press. ISBN 978-0-8276-1291-4.
  2. ^ An expression cited in many Yiddish articles of the day was "De Shteiner Zeinen Treif" - (even) the stones are non-kosher
Please note that the above "You attempted to add A LOT of material" is in error - I merely restored most of the text deleted by a single editor (in several edits), and which was the subject in the article's TALK page "Deleting most of the article" section, in which several other editors objected. My goal has since been clarified in a subsection below it, "Scissor vs. Ax: a discussion". Pi314m (talk) 05:40, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Matching personal requestEdit

I too have been wanting to apologize for aggravation I surely caused you between late May and early August 2019. I'm sorry that I speculated on the ANI page that—because of your (yeshivah, although I didn't say it) education—you don't have the ability to read technical English at a high-school level. I wish I hadn't felt the need to embarrass you.

However, in your "accepted (publicly)" comment that provoked me, you showed that you really have no idea how to conduct a rational argument with a non-frum person. Get this straight: My 1950s Reform Sunday school only taught boys to read the Hebrew alphabet well enough to memorize their way through a Bar Mitzvah in order to make grandparents happy. I chose to study Israeli Hebrew as a language for 2 years when I was in my 30s. For a weird historical reason I worked with a number of frum programmers at the NYC Transit Authority when I was in my 40s, and—thanks to their lending me a Hebrew-English copy of the prayers—I volunteered as a "tenth man" for Minchah for about 3 years. Thus your Hebrew phrases mostly go over my head, and so does your probably-Talmudic method of conducting an argument.

I think you are aware of this limitation, which explains why you never discuss on an article Talk page edits you plan to make. I feel sorry for you, but (considering you recently edited into the IBM 1401 article a mention of the Honeywell 200 Liberator converter) you're probably only a bit younger than my 78 years and too old to change. I hope that in the coming New Year you can find a way of being a Wikipedia editor that is compatible with your limitation. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 04:50, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Pi314m, I hope you'll excuse my taking the liberty of suggesting that you try practicing a different form of chessed in the New Year. As I've said above, last spring IMHO you demonstrated that you really can't read technical English at a 12th-grade level. This is understandable if you were schooled in a yeshiva, in which you mostly studied Yiddish and Aramaic and Hebrew after you became Bar Mitzvah—and in which you were not allowed to study biology for fear that it would undermine your Orthodox Jewish faith. Realistically this puts limitations on what you can accurately write on English Wikipedia. For example, what I did to the Continuous Data Protection article since I re-established it was mostly to add quotations from references—some spelled-out from refs that were already in the article—to help you and others understand the important not-too-technical distinction (of which I also had been previously unaware) between real CDP and near-CDP that was already in the article but had gone over your head when you "merged" Continuous Data Protection into the Backup article.

My suggestion is that you concentrate on improving Yiddish Wikipedia, which exists but evidently has languished. IMHO (non-Orthodox, to be sure) it would be Tikkun olam to improve Yiddish-educated Jews' understanding of medical science, so that they wouldn't injure and kill so many of their children (per recent New York Times articles I'm sure you've read) by misunderstanding disease immunization. This would in my view require you to translate and simplify certain English Wikipedia articles, doing so in a way that would glide around Darwinian evolutionary concepts that Orthodox Jews would consider unacceptable.

That would be a difficult task for you. It would take years of work, and almost certainly require the assistance of other Orthodox Jews—some with medical degrees. But by undertaking it you would IMHO really be performing a mitzvah in its secondary meaning.

Shanah Tovah! DovidBenAvraham (talk) 02:35, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

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Missing CompuServe referenceEdit

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fixed; thanks. Pi314m (talk) 02:11, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

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Another problem is your reliance upon anecdote. In Matzav.com this is realy a concern, because 1/the point of the anecdote has nothing to do with the article, * and 2/ it is not clear from what you say whether "the situation" refers to the situation in Israel at a particular point in time, or in general, or from a particular one of the several points of view; and in reading Matzav, it still isn't clear. (In the articles on on the 3 newspapers YWN , Vosizneias and Hamodia, it would really help if you could indicate their relative positions & affiliations. --I mean not just political positions, but in affiliations withing the various parts of Orthodoxy. You may be the WP editor the best able to do this. )

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* I would normally remove this paragraph as irrelevant, but it would help if you could first add some more appropriate content. DGG ( talk ) 17:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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plan to clean up after the mess that it now resembles? Of course! This is taking "a bit"(+) longer than ... Please see above Talk page. Pi314m (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for asking. No, the problem still exists. The suggestion given to me for a C2C Speedy was rejected by someone who, to be generous, might merge Phys Ed and Physics, because Market research and Marketing research sound alike, while rejecting research funds for computer recognition of the difference between "Tea with milk" and "Tea with Molly." Am I being harsh? I extended both the Market research and the Marketing research articles, after doing research.Pi314m (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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Euromonitor InternationalEdit

Hi I’ve looked at this article several times and I’ve just seen here on your talk page that it was proposed for speedy deletion. If it is nominated for AFD any time soon it may not survive. I think the problem with it is that the sources you’ve provided are mostly references to the company’s reports rather than coverage of the company itself. That’s probably harder to find but it’s what is needed if this article is going to stick. Sources about the company, not mentions of its reports. All the best Mccapra (talk) 04:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you startedEdit

Hello, Pi314m

Thank you for creating Olomeinu.

User:Whiteguru, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

The lead needs to make it clear that this is a Jewish Magazine for youth and children

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@Whiteguru: - I made the lead shorter and more direct. Thanks for leading me to make the improvement. Pi314m (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you startedEdit

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Thank you for creating Community Magazine.

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You have created one page on Community Magazine; I have tagged four dead links (which are not admissible because they are primary links, i.e., the magazine itself). While it is good that you have created this article, more work will be needed for it to survive. Thank you.

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@Whiteguru: I moved the PRIMARY links (CommunityM.com / Community Magazine) to a section ('Features') and moved the HatNote re Primary there); I added to the section a Bergen-county JewishLinks ref. Pi314m (talk) 06:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC) Resolved

Yosef ibn YachyaEdit

Hi I’m looking at this article you just created and having trouble with the sources. The ref to Sefaria is fine but the source itself is clearly wrong. I can’t find any reference to this individual in the Jewish encyclopaedia page you cite (ref 5) or in the book of destiny (ref 6). What am I missing? Mccapra (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

clarification: he was named YOSEF at birth/Brith (meaning day 8); centuries later some people wrote Joseph; the Hebrew for his family name has more than one Anglicization. The Artscroll citation uses only the English "Yosef ibn Yachya." May I ask why Sefaria as "the source itself is clearly wrong?" Pi314m (talk) 08:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi thanks for your note. Sefaria says he was born in 1494 but his works were lost in a book burning in 1414, so something is badly garbled there. On your notes 5 and 6 I see individuals with the same name but not the same dates or countries of residence. Clearly there were many people with the same name over time, but the refs you’ve provided don’t seem to relate to the same individual. The variants Yusef/Yusef/Joseph aren’t of concern at all. Mccapra (talk) 08:42, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
The burning was 1554 (Artscroll), not 1414 (Sefaria). The burnt works, slightly different Anglization, matches Artscroll. As for confirming #5, it's in the chart, not in the wording, and it has both his mother's and his wife's names too. Pi314m (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Digital Music News moved to draftspaceEdit

An article you recently created, Digital Music News, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Praxidicae (talk) 00:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKsEdit

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WikiProject assessment tags for talk pagesEdit

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FreshDirectEdit

Hi. I'm just letting you know that I reverted your recent edit to FreshDirect because the citation that you used made no mention of the company using "Just In Time" systems. I could not find any citation that indicated that FreshDirect used these systems. I also had some concern about the source itself, which appeared to be a whitepaper from a company website and not a legitimate third-party news outlet. ThePhantom65 (talk) 00:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Restored; add two more citations, one Harvard Business School (hbs.edu),the other a food industry periodical. Pi314m (talk) 06:36, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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MediSys Health NetworkEdit

Hi. I moved Preferred Health Network to MediSys Health Network. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:43, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. If you looked at Flushing Hospital Medical Center as it was earlier, it had TWO RedLinks, one for MediSys, the other for Preferred. I right-clicked on the wrong one and . . . oops. Once again, thanks. Pi314m (talk) 11:23, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Tachash/stubEdit

You recently created a page at Tachash/stub; this seems pretty clearly the wrong title for an article. Your creation edit summary said to "Please see Talk Page", however there is no talk page for that article and I see no other talk comments by you that could possibly be about the topic. What are you intending to do here? power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I replied on his TalkPage:
Tachash/stub: What are you intending to do here?
Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Tachash/stub ( Delayed/distracted - a day late a dollar deducted: Tachash/stub? ) Yes, I was delayed/distracted. I also learned from experience:

trying to create the talk page before the actual page gets it deleted, and there are also sometimes delayConsequences too. Pi314m (talk) 13:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Tachash/stub moved to draftspaceEdit

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WMFe503Edit

Error 503 workaround= edit from IP/using an older browser, that can handle larger edits, especially to add subsections, edit from main session, then when done de-sectionalize. TAG: WMFe504 (WikiMediaFoundation error 503).

WP:VPT has been notified. A summer 2020 reboot of a wiki server that was supposed to cure the problem didn't do so. This workaround goes back to at least Nov. 2019:

  • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:13:36 GMT Pi314m (talk) 03:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of M. Moran WestonEdit

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Mostly M. rather than MiltonEdit

@John B123: I've incorported the details of both articles into the older one's shell, correcting some details of the latter. Yes, at some point "Milton" was used, but that is not how his name is recorded in the institution that is the source of his religious ordination, which says "The Reversand M. Morgan Weston, Jr." "Milton" is not part records for National Negro Congress; they have "M." (and no 'II').

"II" is unusual, since the standard sequence is Sr, Jr, III, IV, etc. You asked that I reply to the note you left on my TalkPage. Are you able to make the proper move/redirect(s)? Most of his life and legacy refers to M. Milton Weston, not II, not even Jr. Milton is not part of that. II is questionable. The pattern of wiki articles is to name after how the person is best known. Pi314m (talk) 10:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pi314m, I've replied on the article's talk page and also moved the pages. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 12:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

missing footnote on Midwood, Brooklyn?Edit

Hi Pi314m. I removed an empty note template that I believe you added recently. Just thought I would let you know.

By the way, nice username! I've been a big fan of pi since I was a kid & still have a couple dozen digits memorized. = paul2520 💬 19:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Pi314m (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hampton SheetEdit

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A tag has been placed on Hampton Sheet, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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(copy of) contestingEdit

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because...
(the nominator may have violated WP:NPOV; see below) --Pi314m (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

DB-SPAM HatNote in violation of WP:NPOVEdit

The Hampton Sheet is short-descriptioned (what a word!) as "local high-society newspaper" and, according to the FOUR (4), yes FOUR, NYTimes citations, fits in with the Cindy Adams/Page-Six type of writing. The New York Times even attempted (how boring, I saw it online at NYTIMES.com) a knockoff of PageSix.
The wiki article is not written in the PageSix style - it's not my thing - and someone may think that it's WP:ADVERT, but to say it's S-P-A-M is definitely in violation of WP:NPOV.
I know that there is an wiki process for filing re WP:NPOV, but I'd prefer that the nominator self-revert the 'db-spam' tag.

To do another imitation, (FOR NOW, at least) 'nuff said. Pi314m (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Will try to add citations from NYPost &/or Advertising Age, the 1929-founded so-called "bible" of advertising (or, if not them, then perhaps AdWeek). Pi314m (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)