Happy Paulmcdonald's Day!Edit

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and therefore, I've officially declared today as Paulmcdonald's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Paulmcdonald!

Peace,
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Did You Know?Edit

1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game DYKEdit

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--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 15:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

--Whoo-hoo!!!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Robert Park (football coach)Edit

  On 23 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Park (football coach), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for creating this article! As an unofficial church historian, I have plenty of sources about RP ministers, but I never knew he was a coach until after I saw the article. Nyttend (talk) 19:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Funny! I never knew he was a minister until you added the info!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Jake HighEdit

DYK for Jim HarkemaEdit

Materialscientist (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest P. GoodrichEdit

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


DYK for Elmer MitchellEdit

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tony LombardiEdit

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rick RasnickEdit

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for List of Eastern Michigan Eagles head football coachesEdit

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

CleanupsEdit

Yes, some people archive. I am not one of them. Please don't take offense: if you want to review an old discussion, feel free check out the page history (and yes, I only keep the stuff I wanna keep--hey, it's my talk page...). I do keep relevant discussions for as long as they are... well... relevant.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Why I haven't archived Essentially it has been a combination of not knowing how and laziness. Maybe not laziness, because it seems that I'm always learning something new on Wikipedia. I guess I've had other interests and have been enthusiastic in other areas. I've not really seen the need to archive.

Lately I've gotten requests to begin archiving my talk pages. I'll look into it and figure out how to do that. If someone wants to show me, please do so.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed) 21 Dec 2007--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 9 Jan 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 21 May 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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Harry BuckEdit

If you're interested, Harry Buck has lots of Google hits and could be expanded. Harry Crowe Buck was the full name. – Connormah (talk) 04:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll look into it!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Another one, Dewey King - he was the "DeWayne King" that coached at SJ State from 1970 to 1972...could you sort the infobox out when you get the time? – Connormah (talk) 05:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Continuing on with the Kansas coaches, I believe Charles Erickson and Dee Errikson were the same person as well... – Connormah (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Feel free to keep posting these ideas here for now. --Paul McDonald (talk) 01:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
DONE E. C. Gallagher is Edward C. Gallagher per http://bakertrack.wordpress.com/19-2/Connormah (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Coach bios, etcEdit

Paul, I see you're back at creating more college football coach biographies. Good stuff. I want to point out a few items:

  • In the name field of infoboxes, the subject's common name (i.e. article name minus any parenthetical disambiguation) should appear. Additional nicknames or initials should be omitted. The same is true in lists of coaches, in coach navboxes, and generally anywhere a given person is referenced. Pretty much always go by the common name. Full names, initials, and nicknames should indeed be noted in the lead of the subject's bio article.
  • Your standard stub-out includes the phrase "...was an American football coach in the United States." I used to make the same sort of practice, but got some feedback from guys like Dirtlawyer1 and Cbl62 that this was redundant. At this point I agree with them. I think we can assume, unless otherwise noted, than any American football player or coach is an American citizen playing or coaching in the US. So the phrase "in the United States" can be dropped.
  • The lead ought to also note head coaching tenures. Simply saying the guy was a football coach is a little sparse, even for an initial stub.
  • Let's take a quick look at one of your standard sentences, e.g. "Turnbull was the first head college football coach for the Wheaton Thunder located in Wheaton, Illinois." There are couple problems here. First, the phrase "head college football coach" is stilted and overstated. Turnbull was the "first head football coach" at Wheaton. That's all you need. Wheaton is a college. They don't play high school or pro football. College football is all they have ever played. Second, the construction "Wheaton Thunder" is not good form. It's an over-packing of wikilinks. This should all read something like, "Turnbull was the first head football coach at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois." Then, after that, you could delve into more detail and work a link in directly to Wheaton Thunder football.
  • In navboxes there's no need to use "{{PAGENAME}}" as sort key. Totally obsolete code.
  • In general I think it's preferable to write endashes with wiki markup, rather than in the HTML code (–). This make things more efficient and cleaner in the edit view.
  • It would also be great if you could use standard spacing in instance sof Template:Infobox college coach so that the equal signs all line up. Again, this make things much cleaner in the edit view.

Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions about stuff. Thanks again and all the best, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Great points all around. I've been getting ready to sit down and scrub up my tool that I use to create the templates. It might seem kind of corny, but I have an Excel workbook that I use to make a "skeleton article" and then go back and add details as I find them. It's really handy, but it isn't perfect. I really appreciate how you've batted clean-up for me on what I've been doing!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, you mentioned the Excel template before. Not corny at all. I like the idea of efficiency. I'm pretty good with Excel, so let me know if I can help with that template. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm working on a new template and will start with List of Northern Colorado Bears head football coaches. I think I need to finish up Sterling and Wheaton with the current version.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Guidance Barnstar
Paul, I was just looking through some of my earliest contributions for fun, and was surprised at how many times your name came up. I was truly clueless, and you were probably as patient as anyone could have been, and for that I realized I've never thanked you. Thanks to you, I try to return the favor to new users with whom I interact by embodying the same patience (admittedly though, I am not always as successful). You planted a seed in me, and did not give up on me. For that, I award you the guidance barnstar and sincerely thank you for yoru assistance. Forever grateful, Go Phightins! 02:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar? For me? Cool! This is ridiculous, everybody over to my place! Party time! And thank you much!--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Should I bring the booze!? NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 17:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

CompDude13Edit

He's a serial sock under community ban and I've been reverting his edits on sight. (That's okay for banned users, and he's so prolific there's no way to assess every edit.) If you ever want to restore anything else of his that I've reverted, it'll be fine with me! JohnInDC (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

A friend of mine is fond of saying, "Even a blind squirrel can find a nut" -- the color changes for Pitt State are, to my untrained eye, much more accurate than the originals I selected. Thanks for heads-up thought!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I was going to quote that exact aphorism but was typing on an iPad and didn't want to peck out an explanation that made it clear I wasn't somehow talking about you! Thanks for supplying it for me - JohnInDC (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

A question about the notability of E. R. CowellEdit

Good afternoon, Paulmcdonald. I see that you created the article for the college football coach, E. R. Cowell. Since you are the author of the article and since you are clearly an expert on the topic of college football, could you explain to me why Mr. Cowell is notable enough to be the subject of his own article? As of writing this, there are three reliable sources used as references for the article but none of them included non-trivial information about Mr. Cowell. It appears to me that this information would be more useful in the List of Sterling Warriors head football coaches and does not warrant its own article. Do you agree? Kind regards, Matt (talk) 02:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Generally we have found that head college football coaches at any level turn out to be notable, as outlined at the essay WP:CFBCOACH. But to provide a bit more detail, at the time (1926-1927) there were no "divisions" in sports so he was the head coach of a team at the highest level of college football. Further, the NFL was just in its infancy and was little more than a regional initiative. This was without a doubt the highest level of the expression of the sport at the time. It seems the server is down at the College Football Data Warehouse, so I don't have much reference at this moment to look up the teams that they played those years. It's likely that they played games against Kansas State Wildcats, Kansas Jayhawks, and possibly Oklahoma Sooners. College football was a much different beast back then.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Good morning, Paulmcdonald. Thanks for getting back to me. And thank you for directing me to the essay about the notability of college football coaches. I'm going to read through various opinions about notability mentioned in the supplied pages and related AfD discussions and will/might get back to you. I can see that you are a strong proponent of the idea that all of these coaches are notable, but I am not convinced that these people meet the standard of having "significant coverage" about them. As I mentioned earlier, the only references of Mr. Cowell are trivial inclusions in statistical lists. I would not consider that to be "significant coverage". That being said, keep up the good work. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 21:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You are welcome. I take no offense to notability discussions on articles I create. If you disagree with me, be bold and say so. I don't bite. I might snark from time to time... it's a personal fault...--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
The more I read, the more I disagree with you about the notability of Mr. Cowell. Haha. Is there any verifiable, non-trivial information about Mr. Cowell which is not already included in the list of Sterling Warriors head football coaches? Mr. Cowell does not appear to meet the standards of WP:GNG or WP:NSPORT. I should also mention that the reason why I started looking at Mr. Cowell's article was that I was trying to verify whether he was a living person for the sake of WP:BLP standards. Given the lack of non-trivial sources on the article, I still have not been able to confirm whether Mr. Cowell is alive or not. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You may well end up being right, who knows? I've found that few college football coaches end up being truly not worthy of an article, and then we just put their details in the list article. It's been an adventure--I've had two college football coaches that turned out to be governors of their state. As the CFB team collaborates, we uncover more details--especially stuff that can't be found on the web. For example, Bennie Owen coached at nearby Bethany college and went on to the University of Oklahoma--but at the time (early 1900s), no one could figure out why he left a great program like Bethany to go to a crummy program like OU. Obviously the landscape has changed some!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Good morning, Paulmcdonald. I certainly agree that there are some college football coaches who are notable. Mr. Owen is an excellent example. Mr. Owen appears to have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. I don't believe that this is true of Mr. Cowell. Would you object to me nominating E. R. Cowell for deletion? Kind regards, Matt (talk) 22:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I'd never mind it. I'd ask for a couple more days to run some research tho. Searching will get easier when I can reach the school and get his first name. If you tag it for notability first, that would be super-great--and then check again in a few days. If you PROD the deletion, I'll object (and that's fine, that's procedure). And if you want to go to AFD, that's reasonable as well. Do whatever you think is best. That's the way it's supposed to work!--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:34, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Good morning, Paulmcdonald. I tagged the article with {{notability|sports}} on Monday 8 April ([1]). I have no intention of nominating the article for AfD if you are interested in improving it in the near future. In particular, would you be able to find sources for the dates of birth and death of Mr. Cowell (and any other college football coaches, if possible)? This will allow me to confidently mark these articles as either being biographies of living people or not. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 21:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Just seeing this convo via my watchlist now - @Matt - I usually attempt to flesh out the articles of these coaches whenever I get the time - I enjoy the task of scavenging for info. Sometimes there's a story just waiting to be uncovered via some more thorough research on these coaches and I will definitely have a look regarding Mr. Cowell. You never know what you may find! – Connormah (talk) 02:52, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Though you two have probably noticed by now, I've done a bit of research and have expanded the article. I'm on the lookout for more though, never hurts to have more! It's those initials that leads to the assumption that there's no sourced I'd say - once I have a full name and alma mater, things do tend to look up in the sourcing and expansion aspect. – Connormah (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Destrehan High School footballEdit

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more college football AfDsEdit

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Have you ever considered...Edit

Paul, have you ever considered running for adminship? I think you would be a strong administrator; the kind of which we need more. You have a ton of experience at AfD, you are well-versed in our policies, you maintain a calm demeanor, you are helpful, you are a content creator, you have been here for more than six years and have over 30,000 edits, you've never been blocked, you are well-respected within the projects you participate, and the list goes on. I don't know why it took me this long to think of asking you, but I urge you to strongly consider it; I would nominate in a heartbeat as I'm sure would others. Thanks, Go Phightins! 02:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words! I will consider it. What has kept me back in the past is that I have felt that I have not had the time to allocate consistently to the project. I truly appreciate you and your support!--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Even if you aren't always around, you can still pitch in when you are around. A part-time admin is better than nothing :) Go Phightins! 03:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I have written a nomination statement should you decide to accept.   No rush. Go Phightins! 03:59, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Any thoughts? Go Phightins! 19:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Go ahead and submit the nomination, I would accept it. Thanks for thinking of me!--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
All right. Let her rip! I will link here once I've created it. Go Phightins! 21:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Never mind. Screw the template. Here is the RFA. Once you have accepted, feel free to transclude, and then we are on! Go Phightins! 21:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Where does it get transcluded? I gotta run, can you handle that?--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Sure. Go Phightins! 22:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
      •   Done Good luck! Go Phightins! 22:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
        • So far so good. You are passing with over 90% thus far, so I like your chances, but us sports fans know that jinxing things is not good, so I'll shut up now, :) By the way, you have an email. Go Phightins! 02:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

Thank you for you note on Talk:List of the largest Protestant churches in the United States. I really don't have the time do the research needed as Many Chrurches of that type don't advertise their numbers. What do you think on my original point that naming it as "Meagchurches" rather than "largest protestant churches" would be better? That would solve the whole issue. >> M.P.Schneider,LC (parlemusfeci) 19:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Always open to ideas! I personally think that the term "megachurch" may have negative connotations to it. Even if it doesn't, defining what is a "megachurch" seems to be somewhat arbitrary. It's certainly not a standard unit of measure. Also the term "megachurch" may be changed and fall out of favor in the indsutry. But if a church chooses not to publish its attendance and/or does not generate publicity through reliable sources, then I don't see how they would get an article in the first place. -- But above all, don't let me slow you down just because we disagree on this one point. I may not have the full understanding that you do!--20:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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No objection. Someone else uploaded another logo that is also non-free. We should pick one and I have no preference.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Trivial pointEdit

In your answer to question 9, you said "I doubt that if you went back to my first 250 AFDs you'd get the same results."

I assume this is missing a "don't".--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Preemptive congratulationsEdit

You will surely be an administrator in short order. Congratulations on your promotion! Hope you find the tools handy. =) Kurtis (talk) 23:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Was coming here to say the same as it is just a matter of time now. Use the tools in good health. If I can help explain any of the shiny new buttons, feel free to ping me on my talk page. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 01:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Touchdown!Edit

Congratulations on becoming an administrator; I trust that you will put your tools to good use (and be an admin I can bug when I need something done  ). Go Phightins! 00:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't have happened without you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Your RFAEdit

Hi Paul, I have closed your RFA as successful — you are now an administrator. Please consider the guidance at Wikipedia:New admin school, it'll keep you from ending up here. Good luck! WilliamH (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Congrats, Paul! AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 12:38, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Congrats! Good to see someone who hasn't fallen into OWN of policy make Admin. Never be afraid to seek advice, but remember that admins aren't the only ones who know what's going on. Sometimes input from outside the club can be just as valuable (if not more so) than feedback from other Admins. Intothatdarkness 13:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone! I'll be in New Admin School for a while, and I'm never afraid to ask for help!--Paul McDonald (talk)
Just don't order everything on the left side of the menu... I hear the food at Admin School is really awful. Intothatdarkness 15:55, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations on your RFA. Mkdwtalk 17:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations!! --j⚛e deckertalk 18:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Do we have a football team at New Admin School?--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Soccer maybe, but I doubt if they have 'Merican football. Intothatdarkness 19:42, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 
The Admin-o-matic 9000
'grats Paul! – Connormah (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!Edit

  Sorry that I missed your RfA, but I would have supported you. Bearian (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Admin's Barnstar
Congrats on becoming one. Good luck. World Traveller101 19:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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Help with the NFLPA Game article?Edit

Hi there Paul, last month you replied to a message over at WP:CFB I'd left asking for some assistance in sorting out what was happening with the NFLPA Game article. After some discussion over at WP:NFL, I think we've figured it out. Just as you suggested, I've posted my recommendations over at Talk:NFLPA Game. If you have a chance, could you take a look at what I've proposed and see what you think? As I noted before, I do have a financial COI here, so if my suggestions look appropriate, I'd appreciate it if you'd consider implementing them. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Ara P.Edit

Hello PaulMacdonald - Taking you up on your invitation to talk on the Ara Parseghian page, where comments on that topic are more appropriate. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Kansas Jayhawks Football: Head_CoachesEdit

Could you please lend your opinion to the edits that Eodcarl is attempting to make on Kansas Jayhawks football; Head Coaches section? Thank you. Kmanblue (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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NAIA football season navboxesEdit

You work a lot on NAIA football articles (mainly Kansas, but still). What are your thoughts on navboxes such as {{2005 NAIA Football Season}}? There are a handful of these, and I was thinking of TfDing them, but I'm not sure if they'd be worth keeping. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

It's a good idea. I've made a few already. I think that we would be more likely to build conference season articles if the templates were made, but I don't think we need to go crazy and make all of them until we have at least one season article for each conference. It might also be a good idea to start up a discussion page for NAIA football at the CFB project.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

A nice bologna sandwich for you!Edit

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Questions for youEdit

Hi Paul,

I'm chasing down some stuff about the CentralNotice banners, which you said never displayed for you. I have the following questions for you:

  • At Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, do you have "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner" ticked? (It's third from the bottom under ==Browsing==.)
  • In Universal Language Selector, did you pick another language, or are you using English? (It's the gear-shaped icon next to "Languages"; it makes standard parts of the interface, like "Edit", "Talk", "Preferences", "Watchlist", "Contributions", etc., display in whatever language you choose.)
  • Do you have Javascript enabled?
  • Do you remember seeing any banners (fundraising, editor survey, Board member elections) in the last few months?
  • Have you ever (even accidentally or a long time ago) viewed the mobile version from the computer/browser you're currently using? (This may set—or at least did at some points in the past—a cookie to suppress all banners.)

Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Hallo... here's answers:
  • "Supress display of the fundraiser banner" is not checked
  • "Universal Language Selector" shows "English"
  • Javascript is enabled
  • I've seen banners for fundrasing and editor surveys in the past, but I don't recall how recent.
  • I've not viewed the mobile version on this PC or any other that I use to my knowledge.

Hope that helps!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Paul. It helps, but unfortunately in the direction of "ruling out all the easy answers". I appreciate the information. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

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--You are welcome! It's frustrating that some people have an agenda, isn't it?--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Concordia, KansasEdit

1) Thanks for the photos, but Wikipedia is not a photo album of everything in a specific city. There are way too many photos in the gallery section for Concordia, Kansas, so I recommend that you thin it down to the most important items and/or best looking photos.

2) Please add "Category:Concordia, Kansas" wiki-links to all of your photos in Wikimedia Commons, so that way they will show up via the link in the "External links" section of Concordia, Kansas, Detroit, Kansas, and photos for other articles that you recently upload. See example at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sbmeirow/HowToUploadPhotosToWikipedia#Example_of_Body_Of_Article_for_photo

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1996 Texas Tech vs. Kansas State football gameEdit

Paul, is this game really notable enough on its own to warrant its own article? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I think so, but only that it was the first game of the conference history. That gives it some historical significance.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Should we have an article for every first game in conference history? Jweiss11 (talk) 14:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I would be okay with it. First in Big 10, Pac-7, etc... yeah, I could see it. Others would see it as too much.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:58, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
(TPS) In this case I do think it's notable simply because it marked the end of the Big 8 and the beginning of the Big 12. That was a controversial expansion/merger at the time, so it's likely worth noting. Intothatdarkness 14:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Issues on Aaron Jack articleEdit

Paul, what are you talking about? After I was told not to delete I just started adding new material without deleting old material!!! I've done nothing wrong!--unsigned

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No objection newer upload looks great!--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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No objection newer upload looks great!--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Kansas related articlesEdit

Hello. I hope I'm not repeating myself here, as I suspect that you also edit using this IP address: User talk:71.167.157.25. Categories of "People from..." and "Lists of people from..." for Kansas-related articles do not apply to the various pages that you have created and/or edited because the people on those lists do not hail from those places, they simply work there for a time. "People from..." and "Lists of people from..." categories are intended to be for where a person is born or raised unless the person spent a majority of his or her life in that place. Thank you.Hoops gza (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I always try to remember to sign in to edit. I have never consciously edited from IP address.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

No troubles, take care.Hoops gza (talk) 01:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library NewsletterEdit

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College football player ProdEdit

Hi, I wonder if you could look at Hunter Henry. I seconded the Prod purely because its an unreferenced BLP. He does have bio here, so the article doesn't appear to be a hoax. I don't have any experience with this kind of article, nor the time to try to rescue it tonight. I saw your name on a CFB player AFD, and you seem to be interested in the subject. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 09:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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Response to aboveEdit

No objection to removal. I'm sure they've been replaced by better-quality images.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:49, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Elon Phoenix football coach navboxEdit

Let me know if you ever get to filling in redlinks at Template:Elon Phoenix football coach navbox - I'll be able to add photos and possible DOBs. Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 02:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks like a suitable place for my next efforts!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Another note - I believe Jerry Tolley went on to become the Mayor of Elon (he may still be serving now, in fact)... – Connormah (talk) 02:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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No objection to removal.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library SurveyEdit

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John F. CondonEdit

Another one - from what Ilve seen, the John F. Condon at Lindbergh kidnapping seems to be linked to the coach one. – Connormah (talk) 22:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

QuestionEdit

Hi, I read two articles today which are about two of Swedens most famous "scandal beauties" Carolina Gynning and Linda Thelenius and I had to remove huge parts of the articles that were unsourced or just in bad taste. I will a day or so after New Years Eve take time to re-write and expand those two articles. Do you think it would be possible for me to nominate them for DYK when I have completed the expansions or are the articles out of contention for that? Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 12:53, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with the DYK nominations. However, I don't think there would be a problem if you "nominated" an article in good faith. If it doesn't qualify for one reason or another, the DYK team would figure that out. But I do recommend that you mention all of the details.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:10, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, funny situation. I actually wrote to the wrong Paul on Wikipedia. Did not mean to bother you but I appreciate your answer. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Methodist ministersEdit

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Nobody weighed in with any advice there, so I have started a full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_January_16#Category:Methodist_clergy_by_denomination. Please comment there. – Fayenatic London 19:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Thank you for taking the action. Very civil of you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
    • You're welcome! I just asked a follow-up question there. – Fayenatic London 19:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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NFL Draft section formatEdit

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College football coach stubsEdit

Paul, I see you're back at stubbing out college football coach bio articles. A few thoughts:

  • For Infobox college coach, it would be great if you could use the clean spacing seen here: Template:Infobox college coach#Empty.
  • I think it's also preferable to code endashes with the simple wiki symbol instead of the html code (–). This also makes the edit view a lot cleaner.
  • The name field in the infobox should display the subject's primary name, that is the article name minus any parenthetical disambiguation. The same is true for tabular lists of coaches, like that found at List of Valparaiso Crusaders head football coaches. We need "Jake Christiansen", not "J. M. "Jake" Christiansen".
  • There's never been any consensus about putting winning percentages in the infobox. I think it's best to leave them out as things can get really cluttered for coaches who worked multiple levels and/or multiple sports.
  • I've gotten feedback from a number of other editors that the phrase "American football coach in the United States" is clunky and redundant. I think we can assume that an American football coach is or was working in the US unless otherwise stated, so "is/was an American football coach.' should suffice.
  • The phase "was the head college football coach for the [X college team]" is clunky. Colleges only play college football. "was the head football coach for the [X college team]" is much better.
  • The compound wiki-linking seen in instances like "Valparaiso Crusaders" is guilty of over-linking. There should be a link to either Valparaiso University or Valparaiso Crusaders football, not both, with the sentence phrased accordingly.
  • I wonder about the value of sentences like "As of the conclusion of the 2013 season, this ranks him #15 at Valparaiso in total wins and #14 at the school in winning percentage (.143)." These facts seem not only trivial, but the entire sentence will go stale and potentially become inaccurate as soon as a year from now. I still come across similar passages that you added years ago talking about " As of the conclusion of the 2007 season".
  • For coaches from the first half of the 20th-century, it's well worth checking to see if they coached other sports. Take Millard Anderson as an example. You can see that he's also listed at Template:Valparaiso Crusaders men's basketball coach navbox and Template:Valparaiso Crusaders baseball coach navbox. Another good place to check for coaching of other sports is here. These navboxes and related categories and basic content ought to be included in an initial stub-out.
  • In general, I think it might be more effective to forgo your standard "Coaching career" section on a stub-out and instead make a more substantive lead section.
  • When you tweak colors to navboxes such as Template:Valparaiso Crusaders football coach navbox, you should do the same for other sports navboxes of the same school so everything stays in sync.
  • In the Persondata table, I don't think it makes sense to have wikilink brackets anywhere since they are not functional. I think titles in the alternative names field like "Coach Anderson" are unnecessary as well.
  • On the talk page for new articles, I don't think we need the talk header banner by default, only when the subject or the discussion there has become contentious. The code "collapsed=no" for WikiProjectBannerShell can be left out. The shell is un-collapsed by default.

Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Great advice! I always take your notes and work to improve the system even more! I'll do my best to incorprate them before moving forward.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Great. Let me know if I can help in any way. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Question about notabilityEdit

Hi, I notice that you seem to know a bit about college sports. Would you consider that T. J. Johnson (American football) meets WP:NCOLLATH for his college football career? Hack (talk) 04:25, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

  • In this encyclopedia, I would not. Offensive linemen in college football rarely gain the coverage required to surpass the general notability guideline and I don't see any coverage of note for this player. No question he's a great athlete, but Wikipedia is not an "athletic" encyclopedia. There would be other encyclopedias or online sports almanacs that would welcome an entry on this player. I won't go do it because you approached me (and something about that just doesn't seem fair), but I suspect that the article will get tagged relatively soon.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:30, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

thank youEdit

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Mr. Administrator ...Edit

Hi Paul, I know you don't use the tools much, but if you get a chance, would you mind deleting these four pages from my userspace: User:Go Phightins!/Aryanna Strader User:Go Phightins!/Adopt/Anne9853 User:Go Phightins!/Adopt/Clockery and User:Go Phightins!/Adopt/Pizzamancer? Thanks. Go Phightins! 03:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Done. I feel so "adminstrative-ey"--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:41, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks; I believe the preferred nomenclature is "adminish" :-) Go Phightins! 17:05, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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Top 100 meter times by NFL players‎Edit

[3] You are not the only person to protest the rushed, baseless and destructive decision by this Hahc21 administrator. You can see my protest ahead of yours was just taken as a personal attack and trashed. Can you say whitewash? I've seen some bad decisions before by other administrators but I think this is the most hasty and ill conceived decision to delete yet. Just a short time before closing and deleting the article, another deletionist challenged finding a source to show relevance of the subject--I added a dozen to the discussion with virtually no response. I consider that response asked and answered. And yet the subject gets deleted. Worse yet, against policy, this admin was counting "votes" (his own term). I don't know what further can be done about a bad administrator like this, but we sure don't need this kind of person around here. This is an embarrassment to wikipedia. Trackinfo (talk) 16:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I disagreed with the closure, but I don't think it was done in bad faith. Maybe in a hurry. I would have closed it No Consensus, but I was already involved. If you want to take it to Deletion Review, that would be the next move. However, it would be best if you remain civil about it. Anger and passion are real things, I get that. But they don't help in saving articles. I would support you on the Deletion Review if you choose to go that direction.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

WikilinkingEdit

Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia.

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Thanks, and my best wishes.

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Per "Counting and sorting are not original research"Edit

Paul, how's it going? Per your essay, Wikipedia:Counting and sorting are not original research, I thought you might like to comment at Talk:Michigan Wolverines football#No-shutout streak. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

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Haskell football coaching recordsEdit

Paul, How's it going? I've filled in some of the blanks in the chronology of coaches for Haskell with the additions of William Henry Dietz and Gus Welch; see Template:Haskell Indian Nations Fighting Indians football coach navbox. Looking at List of Haskell Indian Nations Fighting Indians head football coaches, I can't figure out where you got the won-loss records from. They don't appear to be in any of the cited sources. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 04:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Man that was eons ago I found that stuff... if it's not around, it's probably an old web page that's taken down from the school website.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Happy Birthday, Old Man!Edit

Cheers, Old McDonald. I hope it's a good one. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:10, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Stoney, KansasEdit

Hi Paul. I searched high and low to find anything about Stoney, Kansas, which you created. According to GNIS, no geographical feature called Stoney currently exists in Kansas and it does not appear on Google Maps. Perhaps it's a ghost town? Anyhow, that article needs some attention.- Gilliam (talk) 06:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Gosh, that was back in 2007 when I created that... My uncle used to be the county sherrif, but I don't think there's a notability guideline for "My uncle used to be the sherrif so it's notable" ...I'll look in some of my off-line sources to see what I can dig up, probably have something reasonable there.--Paul McDonald (talk) 10:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

QuestionEdit

Hello. I know that you have at least made some edits to the Emporia State Hornets, and I was wondering what you thought of me merging the article to Emporia State Hornets and Lady Hornets to reflect the name of the women's teams? I created a merge proposal on the talk page, as well. Just wanted at least one opinion. CorkythehornetfanTalk 18:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#An idea that could change HUNDREDS of article namesEdit

Hey, Paul, we need you to chime in on this. I've posted comments to each of these four Requested Move discussions identified on the WP:CFB talk page, by explaining, as clearly and succinctly as I know how, the established consensus naming conventions for college sports articles -- that is the university short name (e.g., "Florida State"), plus the university's varsity team's mascot (e.g., "Seminoles"), yields the sports team name (e.g., "Florida State Seminoles"), which is also the WP:COMMONNAME used by the mainstream media. This should be a slam dunk, but for the fact that these RM discussions have become hopelessly confused as to when it is appropriate to use the "Lady ___" construction in the article titles, and the inexperienced college sports editors who have been participating don't know the origins and reasons for our naming conventions. These discussions are being poked and prodded by a regular participant in WP:MOS and WP:AT to adopt a completely new nomenclature and naming scheme for American college sports articles. Unless more knowledgeable college sports editors participate in these discussions, we could wind up with four horrible precedents that could take months of additional wrangling to correct, leading to the inevitable instability in article titles as less knowledgeable editors start to implement what they perceive to be a new "consensus." Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Next round of proposed CFB "rivalry" articles for AfD reviewEdit

@Paulmcdonald: Head's up: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Next round of proposed CFB "rivalry" articles for AfD review. Your input is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Reusing content within WikipediaEdit

Hello, Paulmcdonald. :) I see that in October 2013, you merged content from the article South Shore into the article Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association in satisfying consensus of an AFD. While you indicated that it was a merge, I'm afraid that you did not indicate the origin of the text. Content on Wikipedia, like that on most of the web, is not public domain - it is simply liberally relicensed for use. In order to use it elsewhere, even elsewhere on Wikipedia, we must meet the terms of the license, or we forfeit permission to use it. The minimum required attribution is a link to the article from which it was taken. This permits contributors to look at the history of the original article and determine the authorship of the text and keeps the license intact. I have repaired the attribution for the copying at [4], but wanted to let you know about this legal requirement for future use, if you should have occasion to move text from one article to another again. You can read more about the procedures and the reasons they are required at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Please be sure to notify me if you have any questions about this so I'll be sure not to miss it. Thanks! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of 1996 Texas Tech vs. Kansas State football game for deletionEdit

 

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Want to reconsider this one?Edit

Hey, Paul, I had this one (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry J. Sanders) watch-listed, but I had not had a chance to do my own BEFORE homework yet. Carrite just linked four or five pretty solid mainstream news articles where Sanders, Jr. is the primary subject, and I thought you would want to look at them. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Inserting comments in the middle of another editor's commentsEdit

Paul, in the AfD for the 1996 Texas Tech vs. Kansas State game, you have inserted two comments in the middle of my multi-paragraph comment (see here). That's really bad form. Please place your comments at the end of mine. Doing otherwise disrupts the flow of my arguments and fractures the larger points that are being made. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

  • All I can say is "woops" and "I apologize" but you did have a big long block. My intent was to keep the responses closer together. Your preference is fine by me (and probably better in many ways).--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • So . . . are you going to move your comments to the end of mine? I took the liberty of moving your comments once, and you put them back in the middle of mine. I don't like to refactor another editor's comments, as that is also bad form, but I do have one final point re ROUTINE, but I can't add it because you have scrambled the thread. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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HmmmEdit

Do you know this guy: Paul McDonald (American football)? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

  • hey hey! I thought it was cool that some guy had the same name as me when I was a kid. I followed him through his years at USC and later at Cleveland and Dallas, but never met him nor saw him play live.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey, P-Mac, while I've got you talking, have you seen the recently added "List of ____ starting quarterbacks" articles created by Cake and several other editors? You're a student of the game and its history -- how do we reconcile the fact that in creating a list of "starting quarterbacks" that the QB position in 1900 was not the same position in 1920, 1935 or 1955? College quarterbacks did not really become the on-the-field play-callers until the late 1920s or early 1930s, and did not become the principal passer until after World War II. We might as well have a list of starting backs in the 1920s, 1930s and early 1940s, as quarterbacks were often, if not usually interchangeable with passing halfbacks. I know for the great Gators teams of the late '20s, any of the offensive backs could line up at quarterback, halfback or fullback on any given play. Frankly, I hesitate to recognize any back as the "starting quarterback" before World War II. What's your reaction? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:58, 19 December 2014 (UTC) -I haven't seen the lists, but I think that would become unwieldy for many historical programs. I've seen attempts at navboxes from time to time and even that looks a little too much sometimes, maybe not so much for the NFL. Historically, the team captain called the plays and no plays were sent in for quite some time as substitution rules were very strict. This prompted Os Doenges at Oklahoma City to run a test with a "twelfth man" (hence his nickname "Dozen Doenges") to be on the field to only call plays. But for many years a "quarterback" was more like a tackle and never touched the ball but was used for blocking. Lists of starting quarterbacks? It's enthusiastic, I'll give them that. But upkeep and validation will be murder.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:08, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Your input is requested . . . .Edit

Paul, I'd like to get your opinion on this revised infobox template: [5]. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:31, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Will do! I don't know much about infobox design, but maybe I have a couple of pointers.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
PMc, we'll recruit a template editor to handle the coding for us. Right now, we're more interested in getting your opinion on which data points to include. Once we determine what we're adding and what we're deleting, then we'll work on the modified design. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Your input is requestedEdit

As you know I have initiated plans to move some of the season names. While I have held off on the NAIA pages per your concerns. I would like your opinion of a move on Talk:1973 college football season and Talk:1977 college football season. Thanks-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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That was a long time ago and rules have changed/updated/migrated/clarified/etceraed themselves. Maybe it stays, maybe it doesn't... thank you for the notification!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Stephen HodgeEdit

I really don't understand why you proposed the deletion of Stephen Hodge (American football) he was a draft choice of the Dallas Cowboys (which is a good reason to historically document why he didn't make the team) and he was also an important player at Texas Chistian University leading the nation in sacks for a defensive back at a time and earning All-conference honors.Tecmo (talk) 17:22, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Assessment criteria for articlesEdit

Paul: your comment on the assessment of articles for Wikipedia Kansas Project articles on the project talk page was interesting. I am a member of the project, but have not seen any definite assessment criteria for the Kansas Project. I am also a member of the Wikipedia Military History Project and they have a very well organized system for assessments here: [6] Please check it out and let me know what you think about the criteria and whether it would work for the Kansas Project. You can reply here as I will "Watch" your talk page for a few days. Cuprum17 (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

I love military handbooks! That's a great process! It might be a little much for the average editor, but that's not necessarily a "bad" thing...--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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Color graphics for Infobox college football playerEdit

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Kansas State Wildcats

Paul, check this out: Template:Infobox college football player/testcases#Joe Cool (typical example). Ignore the datapoints for now, but what do you think of the colors, graphics, and layout and design -- the "college varsity stripe" graphics in particular? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:38, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I like that a lot!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Glad you like it, Paul. Somehow, I knew an old football hand like yourself was going to like the traditional varsity stripe. I'll ping you when we start the mini-RfC on the template talk page to make final decisions regarding the old parameters and links to be removed, and the new parameters and links to be added -- I expect to start the RfC sometime in the next couple of weeks, and it will be geared to yes/no !voting on each parameter and link. As the stands now, we have a reasonably attractive interim solution that will get better in the next couple of days when we're ready to implement the two-color varsity stripe graphics -- there are still some color scheme bugs for Frietjes and the other boffins to sort out before it goes live. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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FSU football controversies: please join talk page discussionEdit

Paul, please join the article talk page discussion here: Talk:Florida State Seminoles football#"Controversies" section problems. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Washington (University) Bears ?Edit

Paul, you may want to take a look at this requested move: [7]. It involves the application of our naming conventions to the Division III sports program at Washington University in St. Louis. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Here's one for you . . . .Edit

Bill Burgess (American football), head coach at Jacksonville State, won several national awards and gained lots of recognition for his his record with the Gamecocks. Burgess does not have an article. Found this by accident when I was moving the article title for British swimmer, Olympic medalist, and Channel swimmer Bill Burgess, and then looked at the "what links here" list to do the post-move clean-up and discovered a bunch of unexpected links to American football-related articles. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC) --Thanks, I'll look into it!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

N. H. SkylesEdit

What document gave you his initials? I am trying to find him in the census to connect to the Reverend, but I think I have all his children accounted for. BTW if you load the newspaper images to Wikimedia Commons your biographical information can be on the Commons category page for him. You might also want to migrate the article to Familypedia to preserve it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:10, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Original source of the article idea came from the College Football Data Warehouse. Thanks for your interest!--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:38, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
They only list him as "Coach Skyles". I can't find the reference that uses "N. H." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:01, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Interesting... perhaps it was CFReference.net then... or perhaps it is an error. The F&M college page doesn't even show a first name!--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:22, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Look over the references again, even for new ones. I have been adding in information to other ones in your list. It is a shame that the 1890 census was discarded, it would have given us the information we need. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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George Gardner (American football)Edit

Hey Paulmcdonald! What do you think of moving George Gardner (American football) to George Gardner (coach)? It doesn't necessarily have to be (coach), but Gardner wasn't just an American football coach. He was a basketball coach for Washburn and later at Southwestern College according to the article. You're the page creator so I thought I'd ask you before actually moving it. Thanks. Corkythehornetfan 21:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't bug me. I say go for it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:49, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Alrighty, just thought I'd check. thanks! Corkythehornetfan 10:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Dee Errickson (or Erickson)Edit

Here is another question for you... aren't Charles Erickson and Dee Errikson the same person? This page has a picture that matches the picture on the 2015–16 Basketball media guide (pg. 133), as well as the one in the Charles Erickson article. The Athletics Dept. keeps spelling it Errikson, but the university spells it Erickson. The WU Hall of Fame shows Charles Errikson, as well as the Ottawa Football All-Time Coaching Records. If you use Newspapers.com, it does not find an Errikson, but does show several for the Erickson. This article shows "Charles 'Dee' Erickson". What's your thoughts? Corkythehornetfan 11:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Very possibly so. We should investigate. Propose a merge for discussion...--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:14, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed reply... somehow I didn't see your response, and forgot about it! I'll look some more, before I propose a merger. I'll ping you when that happens. Thanks! 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 01:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and proposed a merger [8]. 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 02:31, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Best wishesEdit

Merry Christmas to you and yours, Paul. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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1923 Colgate NiagaraEdit

Thanks for creating this page. I updated it with some sources from my research. -nyrtfleury014

Nice! I remember reading about the game and starting the article. Even contacted Colgate to get some details. Your sources look good and really make the article better.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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Question regarding citationsEdit

I saw your name pop up in Kansas Christian College (Overland Park). How might one go about addressing the issues listed at the top of the page? And how many sources should be used for this article? Littledj95 (talk) 03:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Good question. I'll take a look at it when I'm not quite so sleepy! But offhand, what is most needed is a few more "newsy-type" soucres (like KC Star or Christianity Today, just examples).--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:43, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that should be a problem to find. The school's been around since 1938; I'm sure I can find something. I'll start digging around. Littledj95 (talk) 17:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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Article on anon-notable subjectEdit

Proposed deletion of Leroy MooreEdit

 

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Question about a couple of blocksEdit

Hello, Paul. I have just come across a couple of blocks of yours which rather surprised me. I see that you blocked 71.86.50.161 for 72 hours for one vandalism edit, without any warnings. The one edit was a pretty unpleasant one, but to block for 3 days for one childish vandalism edit, without any warnings having been given, is unusual, to say the least. However, at least that one edit was a real BLP violation, and where to draw the line is a matter of judgement. However, I am much more surprised by your blocking Sroque37 for 48 hours for one edit, again without any warning, as that one edit was a really ordinary piece of vandalism, not a serious BLP violation or anything of the sort. An immediate 48 hour block is certainly well outside the usual range of actions. Do you have any reason for thinking that this case warranted esceptional action? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

  • My first reaction (after reading your comments) is that I may have overreached on one or both of the two blocks. On the second one, I should not have made the block myself as I have been involved in editing that particular article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, Paul McDonald! I saw your conversation with John from Idegon, and I just wanted to say that I've been struggling with that user too. I think he means well, but I strongly think that he should look at WP:DOUBT and research articles before nominating them for deletion. I believe that accepting good-faith edits is something that needs to be put in to action on Wikipedia too. I was wondering if you would help me protect my page, Elgin Children's Chorus, which he is trying to delete. I believe that the nomination was faulty, and would love some help from a Wikipedian that's more experienced than I. Thanks! WikiConqueror (talk) 07:09, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I've already commented on that discussion as a keep. I believe it passes WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:10, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you!!! I really appreciate it! WikiConqueror (talk) 22:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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  • Wow, that was a long time ago... anyone interested can check comments on the image talk page where I replied.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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After reviewing WP:EXTERNALREL, I believe I would be allowed to edit this page. I will readily admit that I am a student at Grace University. Obviously, this is a significant connection to the subject matter, but I can assure you I am not paid (quite the contrary). Anyway, I was hoping for my fellow Wikipedians to comment on what could be done to improve this page with the goal of removing the advertisement tags. Also, if I would be allowed to edit this page. I am tagging User:Paulmcdonald to help jumpstart this editing as you appear to be an experienced editor.

I tried to tag you, but I think I just made a link to your user page. Sorry about that. Littledj95 (talk) 06:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Wow, what a mess! We went through the same thing at the College Football Project a few years back. Check WP:CFBWEST for results.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

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Notability questionEdit

Hey! So I noticed you removed my PROD on Joel Wiens Stadium, which is alright, but I wondered what all stadiums are usually presumed to be notable. Is it only stadiums actively used by colleges, or can it extend to ones formerly used by colleges, such as Salina Stadium? FWIW, the reason I didn't PROD Salina Stadium is having grown up in Salina I know there've been a fair amount of articles in the local newspaper over upgrades to the stadium over the years (especially the artificial turf, which if I remember right was paid for by alum Terence Newman). But would other stadiums used only by high school teams be potential candidates for deletion, or are they generally presumed to be notable as well? Thanks, Ks0stm (TCGE) 20:43, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Good questions and first you should know that there are those who disagree on this issue. Many of us at the College Football Project have found that pretty much any college football stadium at any level generates enough coverage to fulfill the requirements of WP:GNG. Salina Stadium, for example, had many years of existence with both Kansas Wesleyan and the Salina school system (I believe also Sacred Heart and St. John's Military may have used the stadium for a period of time). If one were to agree that it met notability then (which most would) then we reference another idea: notability is not temporary. Once notability is achieved, it's notable. Active college football stadiums today tend to generate enough press that even the newer ones (or re-named old ones) get coverage enough. Generally high school stadiums are not considered notable although there are exceptions such as Great Bend High School Memorial Stadium which was the site of the Wheat Bowl for a number of years. There's also some fields in Texas that qualify. Barrow High School is a candidate for a notable high school field because it is the only known football stadium north of the Arctic Circle.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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No worries, thank you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:52, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Paul, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh666 22:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

SpacingEdit

Paul, I saw your recent edits like the one at Willie J. Slater. What's the point of that extra space before the stub tag? Do we need it? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 21:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I was running a test of the AWB, and I think there's a problem with it. It's a default setting and it looks like the extra spaces like the one there are unnecessary. I stopped the test of their default template after a time.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for explaining. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:22, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my mess.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:08, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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Sidebar to J. Arthur BairdEdit

Hi Paul,

I think we're writing too much on Baird's AfD page. We can continue here if you like, but I've said all I need to. I had one clarification for you. Carthage has never played the University of Illinois according to their media guide. Page 131 here: [10]. Were you thinking of another school? - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 17:15, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

You are correct about Illinois, I had misunderstood what I read in the schedule--they played "Illinois College" which is a different school. I have made corrections on the discussion page. Thanks for bringing that up.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Great. Would you like to see if you can find sources for Ben Mathis? - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 19:44, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Many complaints have been lodged in the RfC to delete all portals, pointing out their various problems. They say that many portals are not maintained, or have fallen out of date, are useless, etc. Many of the !votes indicate that the editors who posted them simply don't believe in the potential of portals anymore.

It's time to change all that. Let's give them reasons to believe in portals, by revitalizing them.

The best response to a deletion nomination is to fix the page that was nominated. The further underway the effort is to improve portals by the time the RfC has run its course, the more of the reasons against portals will no longer apply. RfCs typically run 30 days. There are 19 days left in this one. Let's see how many portals we can update and improve before the RfC is closed, and beyond.

A healthy WikiProject dedicated to supporting and maintaining portals may be the strongest argument of all not to delete.

We may even surprise ourselves and exceed all expectations. Who knows what we will be able to accomplish in what may become the biggest Wikicollaboration in years.

Let's do this.

See ya at the WikiProject!

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   10:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, April 22, 2018Edit

Thank you for joining the Portals WikiProject.

Here's our first project-wide update. I hope you enjoy it...

RebootEdit

The WikiProject reboot has been a success: the new re-envisioned project is up and running, with new members, ongoing discussions about automation, design, and upkeep; maintained task queques; and updates to members, like this, the very first one!

The RfCEdit

As you know, there's a proposal to delete all portals. It started out looking pretty dismal for portals, with primarily posts supporting their demise. It turned out that the proposer didn't post a deletion notice on the very pages being nominated for deletion (a requirement for all deletion discussions). Once that was done, a flood of opposition came in and has apparently turned the tide.

RfCs generally run for 30 days. It started April 8th, and so it has about 14 more days to run its course.

The more work we can do during that time on the portals, the stronger the reasons for keeping them will be. And the more prepared we will be for any MfDs that follow the closing of the RfC.

AWB?Edit

You may be wondering why we asked for AWB experience in the member-sign-up list.

We are gearing up to do maintenance runs on the entire set of portals, and the more people we have who can use AWB, the better.

But we're not quite ready to start this yet.

To be able to use AWB on the portals, we first need to know what the end result needs to be. Like on the news sections, do we comment out the out-of-date ones, or do we place the code to activate the newsbot on those pages? That would require an assessment of WikiNews and its news generating performance (areas covered, volume in each area), etc.

You can help us figure this out at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Discussions about news sections.

Another area we're gearing up for, to do passes with AWB, are upgrades to the intro sections of portals. Many of these have static (copied/pasted) excerpts that go stale over time.

We're trying to figure out how to make self-updating excerpts to replace the existing static excerpts that are on many portals, and once this is done, AWB will be used to place the new code. See the discussion on this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Discussions about selective transclusion in intros.

"What can I do?"Edit

There are 3 major areas of activity right now:

Update the main portal list at Portal:Contents/PortalsEdit

There are a few hundred existing portals that are missing from this list.

The list of missing entries, and instructions on what to do, can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

We need everybody's help on this. It's a big chore for one persons. But, many hands make light work. Please help chip away at this chore as much as you can. A little each day, form all of us, will get this done pretty quick.

Familiarize yourself with the portal systemEdit

In addition to browsing the portals in the 2 lists mentioned in the section above, you should take a look at the portal name space itself and what is in it.

That can be done at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Watchlist.

Join in on the discussionsEdit

There are discussions on many aspects of the WikiProject's operations, with more to come.

Such as about the purposes and functions of portals, design discussions, and so on.

There's even a automated design discussion over at Village Pump Technical, on selective transclusion.

I hope to see you on the talk page.

What's coming?Edit

In addition to the automation efforts mentioned above, we will be looking into how to automate the selection and display of alternating excerpts, and alternating pictures, for the various portal sections.

Watch for these discussions on the Wikiproject's talk page.

Summing up...Edit

Get ready, get set, go!    — The Transhumanist   22:54, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

P.S.: The main example given at the RfC of the problems of portals was Portal:Cricket. Therefore, it's the top priority portal to update. Please lend a hand. - TT

Portals WikiProject heads up, April 27, 2018Edit

We now have 52 members, and more are joining daily.

New and easier way to handle excerptsEdit

Attention portal maintainers!

There's a new template to improve existing and new portals, called {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

It is a lot easier to use than copying and pasting text from articles, as it displays the paragraphs you specify automatically for you.

It makes excerpts so that they are always current and never go stale or fork.

It is more powerful than it looks, because it has the Lua Module:Excerpt supporting it.

Be careful, as it is alpha software. Please notify the WikiProject talkpage of any problems you come across.

To give you a sense of the reaction this template is generating, here is an excerpt of a discussion thread from the WikiProject's talk page:

  • This new template is fantastic. I've added it to the intro sections of the portals on Australian cities (eg P:PER) and it works brilliantly. My compliments to its creators. It can probably also be used in other sections of many portals (eg "Selected article" and "Selected biography"), and, for that reason, will probably make the task of maintaining portals a great deal easier. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
    Thank you for being so brave. Portal:Adelaide/Intro just got a lot simpler! Certes (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Kudos on a wonderful template.    — The Transhumanist   03:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
This is amazing stuff. I'm going to get to work on using it on the selected content at most of these portals very soon. WaggersTALK 13:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The RfCEdit

I wrote a comment in the the April 26 section of the RfC explaining what we are up to. I liked the excerpt above so much, that I went back to my RfC posting, and inserted it.

Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals to your watchlistEdit

Wish listEdit

What's this? An old oil lamp. It's so dirty, I think I'll polish it...

*poof*

Whoa! Are you a WikiGenie? In that case, I get 3 wishes!

I wish...

  1. ...that Portal:Contents/Portals becomes up-to-date.   (The missing entries are listed on the talk page, with instructions).
  2. ...the WikiProject to have Article Alerts.   ({{WikiProject Portals}} templates have already been placed on all portal talk pages).
  3. ...that Portal:Cricket becomes a shining example of portal excellence.   (It was the main example of a crappy and unmaintained portal at the RfC).

Please make my wishes come true. See you around the portals!    — The Transhumanist   08:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference logo.pngEdit

 

Thanks for uploading File:Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference logo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Corky 18:16, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Portals Overview, May 04, 2018Edit

Thank you for being a member of the Portals WikiProject, and thank you for all the work you have all been doing on the portal namespace. To see the activity, check out the watchlist.

This is our 3rd issue, see previous issues at the Newsletter archive.

Top priority: Main list of portals needs updatingEdit

The top, and one of the most visible parts, of the portal system is Portal:Contents/Portals, which is intended to list all (completed) portals on Wikipedia.

About half of the missing existing portals have been added since this WikiProject's reboot (April 17th). Thank you to RockMagnetist, TriNitrobrick, Polyamorph, PratyushSinha101, Ganesha811, Bermicourt, Javert2113, Noyster, Ɱ, Lepricavark, XOR'easter, and Emir of Wikipedia, for working on this.

We are half-way to completion with this. We need everyone to chip in until it is done. Instructions, and the list of missing entries are at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

I hope you'll join me there. ("Many hands make light work").

Thank you.

MembershipEdit

We're at 66 members, with more joining daily. We even have 6 WikiGnomes!

Special thanksEdit

I have awarded Certes with a portals barnstar on his talk page for his work on the new excerpt templates that are revolutionizing the portal system (Template:Transclude lead excerpt & Template:Transclude random excerpt). If you'd like to show your appreciation, please feel free to stop by his talk page and add your signature to the barnstar itself.

Thank you Certes. You are enabling this WikiProject to get the right things done, fast.

By the way, the templates have already gone international. After being told about the templates, Mossab wrote:

Thanks You very much!. Those are fantastic and great templates! I transferred them to Arabic Wikipedia and they do a magic great job. I worked to improve portal anatomy here and i do every thing i can to improve it and i am very sad for the nomination for deletion of portals :(. I am glad to be member on WikiProject Portals and i added my name with pleasure. Kind regards

RFCEdit

As you know, the (April 8th) proposal to delete all portals and the portal namespace inspired the reboot of this WikiProject. RfCs typically run for 30 days, which means there are 5 days left including today, before the RfC will be closed. The !votes are predominantly "oppose", but many editors have shared their disappointment with the portal system. We have our work cut out for us in correcting the problems of the portals to address their concerns. Complaints ranged from being out of date and lacking maintenance, to taking up the time of editors that they felt (due to low traffic) would be better spent improving articles.

Anti-WikiProject dramaEdit

This past week has been somewhat stressful for me, with more than a little conflict...

It culminated with my being reported at the Administrator's Noticeboard "for spamming and canvassing". This is the second time I've been reported there during the RfC; the first one was for posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages.

The accusations were 1) Posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages, 2) Adding an Article alerts section to the Portals WikiProject page, and 3) posting notices (invitations) about this WikiProject on user talk and portal talk pages.

None of which fall under the Wikipedia definitions of spamming or canvassing.

Thank you, Lionelt and Lepricavark, for coming to my rescue. I don't know how the discussion would have turned out if you had not spoken up.

The discussion was closed as "no action necessary".

After that, the person responsible posted their thoughts to my talk page. Here they are, with my response:

Congratulations, it appears your relentless targeted advertising of the RFC, your beating the RFC Supporters with a stick by posting countless times there, your dishonest insistence that Current Events was on the chopping block, and your obstruction of clean up efforts at MfD are paying dividends. Have fun playing with Portal space where no one will read your work. I'm sure someone will eventually clean up the mess when your interest wanes. Cheers. Legacypac

Thank you. I accept your congratulations on behalf of Wikiproject Portals and the portal-loving community – it was a team effort. In addition, I'd like to clarify some things about your claims above...
  1. Each page nominated for deletion must have a notice at the top of its page, per the deletion guideline. Not to have one there, would be unfair to those who use such pages, and would constitute a secret deletion tribunal. We don't do things that way on Wikipedia.
  2. As new facts became available (e.g., a motivated and thriving WikiProject to support the portals, new building blocks, etc.), it was appropriate to post the developments to the RfC, to support informed decision making.
  3. Proposals are literal, not figurative. The proposal specified "all portals". All means all.
  4. The fact is, the rebooted WikiProject is cleaning up the mess, rather rapidly. By updating and upgrading the portals, rather than getting rid of them.
  5. I think I'll be hanging around for awhile, but the project is more than likely to achieve critical mass and may outlive us all, due in part to the development of tools to assist editors in building, upgrading, and maintaining portals that are fully dynamic and self-updating.
Portals are more fun to work with than ever. Thank you for your role in making this happen. You made us try even harder, and inspired us to pull together as a team. You'll have a warm place in our hearts, forever. The Transhumanist

Automatically refreshed excerptsEdit

The main advancement we've made so far is applying selective transclusion Transclusion is template technology, showing a page on another page. Selective transclusion shows only part of that page. We use it to show excerpts that always match the source. The two templates we have so far, are Template:Transclude lead excerpt and Template:Transclude random excerpt.

Obsoleting subpagesEdit

Excerpts are migrating toward the base page of each portal, and where this is done, a subpage is no longer needed.

Template:Transclude lead excerpt will be able to be used to put the intro excerpt directly on the portal page, rather than on an intro subpage, once we adapt a portal design to accommodate this.

Template:Transclude random excerpt is currently being used on 1st-level subpages, and eliminates the need for 2nd-level subpages. (Many portals have 2 levels of subpages).

There are about 1500 portals, but there are around 148,000 subpages in portal space. Further discussions are needed to develop designs and components that do not require them.

It is my hope that the portal of the future will be a single page, or close to it, pulling in excerpts from specified dynamic sources (like category pages), filtered by ratings. This would obviate the need for subpages at all (except for maybe the header and footer subpages, which store a portal's settings). A more likely near-term solution would be subpages with a list maintained by a bot, or editors using semi-automatic tools.

New portalsEdit

Since the reboot, a new portal has been created:

Portal:Limited recognition

Please watchlist these pagesEdit

Some central pages in the portal system. The more eyes on them, the better.

Wrapping up...Edit

There's more in the works, like a rating system, further redesigns, etc. Keep an eye on the discussions on the project's talk page. They should start showing up there soon.

Hope to see you there. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


WikiProject Portals update, 11 May 2018Edit

We've grown to 73 members, and morale is high. Thank you for joining. Here is some news, and some tasks...

The RfC will be closed soon...Edit

2018-05-11: preparations are being made to close the RfC. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/RfC: Ending the system of portals.

When there, be sure to notice the consultation link.

We're trying to get a prototypical single-page portal developed in time to show the RfC closers before they make their final decision. You can help. It's Portal:Humanism. So far, we've applied selective transclusion (automation) to excerpts, and have made the following sections without subpages: intro, selected article, selected biography, categories, related portals, wikiprojects, things to do, and wikimedia. Eight down, 4 to go, plus 2 formatting subpages (not sure we can migrate those). Automating every section, would also be nice.

Main objectivesEdit

Our main objectives currently, are:

  1. Replace static excerpts with selective transclusions, so that the excerpts always stay fresh (that is, match the source content). We are now doing this on the portal base page as much as possible, to reduce the number of subpages that are needed. See #2...
  2. Migrate the functions of subpages to the portal base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space. We aim to make these obsolete by using templates and other calls from the portal base pages.
  3. Improve portal design to make portals self-update. Semi-dynamic sections update from a static list, as used in {{Transclude random excerpt}}. Fully-dynamic sections would update from a list maintained elsewhere on Wikipedia, like a category. We haven't found a way to do this yet, other than to create a bot (which we will probably need to do).

Maintenance pass #1: Upgrading the intro sectionEdit

The intro section of many portals transcludes an "Intro" subpage that has an excerpt in it.

We're replacing that with a selective transclusion directly in the intro section, bypassing the subpage. Though, there's a little more to it...

For instructions, see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Transclude intro excerpt directly on the portal base page.

Please skip Portal:American Civil War, as that is specifically being maintained by hand.

Maintenance pass #2: Obsoleting the Wikimedia subpagesEdit

One of the sections on many portals links to sister projects on the subject. This needlessly takes a subpage. The subpage can be made obsolete by using the template {{Wikimedia for portals}} directly on the portal base page.

This has been done for several hundred portals so far.

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Obsolete a Wikimedia subpage for instructions.

Maintenance pass #3: calling the category tree from the portal base pageEdit

Certes figured out how...

{{subst:Text|<category|tree>}}{{subst:PAGENAME}}{{subst:Text|</categorytree>}}

For more information, see the thread Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Rendering PAGENAME inside categorytree tag doesn't work (it does now).

More to come...Edit

In the meantime, see ya around the portals!    — The Transhumanist   15:55, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, 15 May 2018Edit

We are at 74 members. If you know anyone who might find this WikiProject interesting, please invite them.

The RfC has endedEdit

The RfC was closed May 11th, and a closing statement was posted May 12th which says "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time."

Ongoing tasksEdit

Some major activities that we are in the middle of include:

  • Adding the missing existing portals to the main portals list at Portal:Contents/Portals. Instructions are on the talk page. There are about 125 portals left to be processed. (There were 400). Keep up the good work!
  • Development discussions on how to migrate the subpages to the base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space, associated with the various sections on a typical portal. We are trying to obsolete them section type by section type. Currently, we're working on obsoleting the intro subpages and the "selected articles" subpages. Please join in.

Other tasksEdit

  • The list of portals not ready to be listed on the main list can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see them - they are marked   Not ready). They are incomplete. If you want a specific portal to work on, please consider choosing one from that list.
  • Over the years, some incomplete portals (portals under construction) got added to Portal:Contents/Portals. Therefore, every portal listed there needs to be inspected, and any that are incomplete should be removed from that list and added to the not ready list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see it). On Portal:Contents/Portals, I'm already almost done inspecting the portals in the culture section, and so you can skip those. The types of things to look for are empty sections (most will have a redlinked subpage), lack of "selected" sections, portal stubs with just an intro and end sections, and very poor layout (like seriously unbalanced columns).

Portal-building resourcesEdit

During his work on portals, Broter found a quote randomizer. It is {{Random quotation}}.

Trailblazer: approaching the one-page portalEdit

Broter has transformed the Portal:Community of Christ so it is comprised of only 3 pages in portal space: the base page, its box-header subpage, and its box-footer subpage. Its other other subpages are now obsolete and are waiting for deletion. Nice job, Broter!

Well, that's all for now. See ya around the portals.    — The Transhumanist   06:39, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

AGFEdit

Hi, I wasn't joking in my latest comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gustavus Zesch. If you continue using that argument in future AfDs and I spot it, I will be proposing some sort of restriction on participation. It is crazy. - Sitush (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

  • I am sorry that we disagree, but I don't believe you will find any support in placing a "topic ban" on someone because they disagree with you. I take your threat at your word, but before you go out on a limb with such a proposal, perhaps you could explain why you believe it's wrong to assume good faith.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

James ParontoEdit

The only source is dead.Xx236 (talk) 11:54, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, 25 May 2018Edit

We have grown to 79 members.

Please provide a warm welcome to our latest additions, Wpgbrown, Cactus.man, JLJ001, and Wumbolo.

A lot is going on, much of it on the WikiProject's talk page, so be sure to go there and join in on any of the many discussions taking place there.

Elsewhere around the portal project, or related to portals, the following is happening...

New news template ready for testingEdit

Evad37 has created a new template, with supporting lua module, to handle news in portals...

{{Transclude selected current events}} is ready to be tested in some actual portals. Let Evad37 know if you need help with the search patterns.

Noyster commented that "This is the best portal innovation since sliced bread!"

See the relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Alternative to Wikinews.

Thank you, Evad.

Coming soon: Automatic article alerts (but there is a glitch)Edit

Our WikiProject is now subscribed to the bot that makes automatic article alerts, but the subpage where they are posted has not been added to our WikiProject page yet because of a weird problem...

Featured portal nominations from two years ago keep popping up on there.

Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Article alerts to see if you can figure out how to fix this.

Once that is remedied, it will be posted on our WikiProject page.

Thank you.

Note that, this will only track base pages, because to track the rest, we'd have to create over 140,000 talk pages for the subpages, and that just isn't worthwhile (as we're trying to remove the subpages anyways). Therefore, any alerts for subpages will still need to be posted manually.

New portal, still needs workEdit

Drafting a new portals guidelineEdit

Your input/editing is welcome on the draft-in-progress of a new guideline for portals.

See or work on the draft at User:Cesdeva/sandbox11.

See also the discussion at: Wikipedia talk:Portal guidelines#RfC on new portal guidelines

RfC on new TOC layout for main portal listEdit

There is a proposal to change the look of the table of contents at Portal:Contents/Portals.

See: Portal talk:Contents/Portals#RFC on layout update.

Deletion discussion survivorsEdit

Thank you to those who have participated in portal deletion discussions. There are still some editors out there who despise portals, and this comes across in their argumentation style. Wow. Such negativity. But, there is some good news...

Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page.

Portal space clean upEdit

While portal detractors are trying to get rid of portals via MfD, we have deleted many of them via speedy deletion (per {{Db-p1}} or {{Db-p2}}). Essentially, they were bare skeletons, with maybe a little meat on them. The plus here is that speedy deletion is without prejudice to re-creating the portals. They can easily be restarted from scratch without getting approval, or be undeleted by request by someone willing to work on them. We have kept track of these, for when someone wants to rebuild them. They are listed at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

We are also removing subpages, the functions of which have been migrated to portal base pages. To see which ones have been removed, look for the redlinks in our watchlist.

There is also an MfD concerning some of these at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Redundant subpages of the Cornwall portal.

For subpages that need to be deleted, you can conveniently place this speedy deletion template at the top of each of them:

{{Db-g6|rationale=of subpage clean up – this subpage's function has been migrated to the portal base page and is no longer needed}}

Then an admin will come along and delete them.

Please help list the unlisted portals!Edit

There are still 100 existing portals not yet presented on the main portal list at Portal:Contents/Portals. There were 400, so we've come a long way. Thank you! But we are not done yet...

Please list a couple of them. Every little bit helps. If each member of this project listed one more, it would almost all be done. Many hands make light work.

The list of missings, and instructions, are to be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

I hope to see you there!

Wrapping upEdit

These developments make up just the tip of the iceberg. I'll have more to report in the next update, soon.    — The Transhumanist   00:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Whoa, I missed one...Edit

There's an article about the Portals WikiProject in the new issue of Signpost:

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report

Enjoy.

P.S.: We now have 80 members. Evad37 just joined!    — The Transhumanist   01:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #007, 31 May 2018Edit

We have grown to 89 members.

This is the seventh issue of this newsletter. For previous issues, see our newsletter archive.

WelcomeEdit

A warm welcome to our nearly one dozen new members...

Our new members include:

Be sure to say "hi" and welcome them to the team.

The portal set has shrunkEdit

There were 1515 portals, but now we have 1475, because we speedy deleted a bunch of incompleted portals that had been sitting around for ages, that were empty shells or had very little content. Because they were speedied, they can be rebuilt from scratch without acquiring approval from WP:DRV.

Maintenance runs on the portals set have begunEdit

This is what we have been gearing up for: upgrading the portals en masse, using AWB.

More than half of the Associated Wikimedia sections have been converted to no longer use a subpage. This chore will probably be completed over the next week or two. Many thanks to the WikiGnome Squad, who have added an Associated Wikimedia section to the many geography-related portals that lacked one. The rest of the subjects await. :)

The next maintenance drive will be on the intro sections. Notices have gone out to the WikiProjects for which one or more portals fall within their subject scope. Once enough time has elapsed for them to respond (1 week), AWB processing of intro sections will begin.

Thank you, youEdit

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your part in the RfC. I went back and reread much of it. I believe your enthusiasm played a major part in turning the tide on there. I'm proud of all of you.

Why reread that mess, you ask?

To harvest ideas, and to keep the problems that need to be fixed firmly in mind. But, also to keep in touch. See below...

Thank yous all aroundEdit

I've contacted all of the other opposers of the RfC proposal to delete portals, to thank them for their support, and to assure them that their decision was not made in vain. I updated them on our activities, provided the link to the interviews about this project in the Signpost, pointed out our newsletter archive so they can keep up-to-date with what we are doing, and I invited them all to come and have a look-see at our operations (on our talk page).

Sockpuppet, and reverting his workEdit

It so happened that one of our members was a sockpuppet: JLJ001. According to the admin who blocked him, he was a particularly tricky long term abuser. This is a weird situation, since the user was quite helpful. He will be missed.

This has been somewhat disruptive, because admins are doing routine deletions of the pages (portals, templates, etc.) he created, and reversion of his edits (I don't know if they will be reverting all of them). Please bear with them, as they are only doing what is best in the long run.

The following pages have been deleted by the admins so far, that I know of:

Automation so far, section by section...Edit

Automatic article alerts is up and runningEdit

Automatic article alerts are now featured on the project page.

Some super out-of-date entries kept showing up on there, so posting it on the Project page was delayed. Thanks to Evad37 and AfroThundr for providing solutions on this one. Evad37 adjusted the workflow settings per Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing#Choosing workflows, to make sure only the appropriate page types show up. AfroThundr removed the tags from the old entries that caused them to keep showing up in the article alerts.

Other things that could use some automationEdit

Noyster pointed out that it would be nice to automate the updating of the portals section at the Community bulletin board.

Another major component of the portal system is the main list of portals, at Portal:Contents/Portals. How would we go about automating the updating of that?

Please post your ideas on the WikiProject's talk page. Thank you.

Deletion discussion survivorsEdit

Keep in mind that we have already speedy deleted almost all of the nearly empty portals, which can be rebuilt without approval whenever it is convenient to do so. Other portals should be completed if at all possible rather than delete them through MfD (which requires approval from Deletion review to rebuild).

(Current deletion discussions are posted on our WikiProject page).

Portals needing repairEdit

Wrapping upEdit

There's still more, but it will have to wait until next issue.

Until then, see ya around the project.    — The Transhumanist   12:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of 1939 Nebraska vs. Kansas State football game for deletionEdit

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 1939 Nebraska vs. Kansas State football game is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1939 Nebraska vs. Kansas State football game until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #008, 7 June 2018Edit

The WikiProject now has 92 participants, including 16 admins.

WelcomeEdit

A warm welcome to the newest members of the team:

Be sure to say hi.

CongratsEdit

Pbsouthwood has just gotten through the grueling RfA process to become a Wikipedia administrator. Be sure to congratulate him.

The reason he went for it was: "For some time I expect to be busy with subpage deletion for Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals as mentioned above. The amount of work is expected to keep me busy for some time. I am primarly a content creator and contributor to policy discussions, but would be willing to consider other admin work on request, providing that I feel that my involvement would be appropriate and not too far outside my comfort zone."

New feature: Picture slideshowEdit

Picture slideshow

Evad37 has figured out a way to let the user flip through pictures without purging the page. Purging is awkward because there is an intermediary confirmation screen that you have to click on "yes". In the new picture slideshow section, all you have to do is click on the > to go to the next picture or < to instantly show the previous feature. The feature also shuffles the pictures when the page is initiated, so that they are shown in a different order each time the user visits the page (or purges it).

It is featured in Portal:Sacramento, California. Check it out to the right.

Keep in mind that the feature is a beta version. Please share your comments on how to refine this feature, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals#Refining the Picture slideshow.

The one-page portal has been achievedEdit

We now have a one-page portal design. It isn't fully automated, nor is it even fully semi-automated, as there are still some manually filled-in areas. But it no longer requires any subpages in portal space, and that is a huge improvement. For example, Portal:Sacramento, California utilizes the one-page design concept. While is employs heavy use of templates, it does not have any subpages of its own.

I commend you for your teamworkEdit

This is the most cooperative team I've ever seen. With a strong spirit of working together to get an important job done. Kudos to you.

In conclusion...Edit

There's more. A lot more. But it will have to wait until next issue, but you don't have to wait. See what's going on at the WikiProject's talk page.    — The Transhumanist   02:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #009, 15 June 2018Edit

(Article slideshow prototype)
Selected animals

Don't mind that box to the right. We'll be talking about that later, below.

Almost done...Edit

With the portals upgrades?

No. :)

What is almost done is the updating of the main list of portals!

There are 23 portals left to be listed.

Kudos to the WikiGnome Squadron, for spearheading this.

Once it is fully updated, we need to keep it up to date. When you complete a portal, remember to add it to Portal:Contents/Portals.

Concerning portal upgrades, we are working on those section-by-section...

Associated Wikimedia section conversion task completeEdit

The Associated Wikimedia sections of the entire set of portals have been upgraded. These are now handled on each portal base page (bypassing the previously used corresponding subpages), using the {{Wikimedia for portals}} template rather than reiterated copied/pasted code.

So, to be more accurate on reporting upgrade progress, that's one section down (for the whole set of portals), with (about) nine sections to go. (Skipping curated portals, regarding custom content sections, of course).

Further section conversions (using AWB)Edit

Work is underway on converting Portals' introduction sections, and the categories sections.

If you would like to help, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Upgrade introduction sections and Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB task: Convert category sections

Further section conversions (by hand)Edit

Work has also started with converting selected picture sections to picture slideshow sections. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Install picture slideshows.

Quality rating system for portals under developmentEdit

Currently, there is no quality rating for portals: in the Portals WikiProject box on each portals' talk page, it just says "Portal". But times are a changin'. Quality assessment is on the way, and you can help. See the discussion.

What's coming: excerpt slideshowsEdit

Evad37 has figured out a way to apply the picture slideshow feature to displaying article excerpts (now you can check out the provided box above). :) This allows us to bypass page purging to see the next selection, and you can even click through them rather quickly. Currently, the wikicode for doing this for article excerpts is a bit eye-boggling, and so we are looking into simplifying it. A streamlined version may be just around the corner.

Note that this is a prototype, not ready for widespread use. Click on the box in between the lesser than and greater than signs, to see what I mean. It was meant for pictures, and so the thumbnail feature doesn't apply to article prose very well. I've presented it even though it isn't ready, to show the direction portal development is heading. See the discussion.

WowEdit

I'm amazed at how rapidly portals are evolving. And we're still within a single generation of portal technological evolution. Imagine what they might be in 2 or 3 more generations of developments. Pretty soon, portals will be able to shake your hand. :)    — The Transhumanist   11:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

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Portals WikiProject update #010, 30 June 2018Edit

We've grown to 94 participants.

A warm welcome to dcljr and Kpgjhpjm.

Rating system for portalsEdit

We are in the process of developing a rating system specifically for portals, as the quality assessment scheme for articles does not apply to portals. It is coming along nicely. Your input would be very helpful. See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/General#Proposed new quality class assessments.

Better than a barnstarEdit

One of our participants got involved with this WikiProject through interest in how the new generation of portals would be handled in WP's MOS (Manual of Style). It didn't take long before he got sucked in deeper. This has given him an opportunity to look around, and so, he has made an assessment of this WikiProject's operations:

I'm quite frankly really impressed and inspired by what's happening here. If you'd asked me a year ago if I thought portals should just be scrapped as a failed, dragged-out experiment, I would have said "yes". This planning and the progress toward making it all practical is exemplary of the wiki spirit, in particular of a happy service-to-readers puppy properly wagging its technological and editorial tail instead of the other way around, and without "drama". It's also one of the few examples I've seen in a long time of a new wikiproject actually doing something useful and fomenting constructive activity (instead of acting as a barrier to participation, and a canvassing/ownership farm for PoV pushers). Kudos all around. — SMcCandlish

Congratulations, everyone. Keep up the great work.

Slideshow developmentEdit

We've run into a glitch with slideshows: they don't work on mobile devices.

Initially, we will need to explore options that allow portals to have slideshows without adversely affecting mobile viewers. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Mobile view support.

Eventually, we may need another way to do slideshows. If we do go this route, and I don't see why we wouldn't, then (user configurable) automatic slideshows also become a possibility.

TemplateStyles RfC passedEdit

Once implemented, this will allow editors to create and edit cascading style sheets for use with templates. This will expand what we can do with portals. For more detail, see mw:Extension:TemplateStyles and Wikipedia:TemplateStyles.

Automation effortEdit

We've run into an obstacle using Lua-based selective transclusion: Lua is incapable (on Wikipedia) of reading in article names from categories. Because of this, we'll need to seek other approaches for fully automating the Selected article section. We are exploring sources other than categories, and other technologies besides Lua.

Speaking of using other sources, the template {{Transclude list item excerpt}} collects list items from a specified page, or from a section of that page, and transcludes the lead from a randomly selected link from that list. Courtesy of Certes. So, if you use this in a portal, and if the template specifies a page or section serviced by JL-Bot, you've now got yourself an automatically updated section in the portal. JL-Bot provides links to featured content and good articles, by subject.

What is "fully automated"? When you create a portal using a creation template, and the portal works thereafter without editor intervention, the portal is fully automated. That is, the portal is supported by features that fetch new content. If you have to add new article names every so often for it to display new content, then it is only semi-automated.

Currently, the Selected article section is semi-automated, because it requires that an editor supplies the names of the various articles for which excerpts are (automatically) displayed. For examples, look at the wikisource code of Portal:Reptiles, Portal:Ancient Tamil civilization, and Portal:Reference works.

So far, 3 sections are fully automatable: the introduction section, the categories section, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

Where is all this heading?Edit

Henry.

Or some other name.

Eventually, the portal department will be a software program. And we won't have to do anything (unless we want to). Not even tell it what portals to create (unless we want to). It will just do it all (plus whatever else we want it to do). And we will of course give it good manners, and a name.

But, that is a few years off.

Until then, building portals is still (partially) up to us.    — The Transhumanist   13:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

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Portals WikiProject update #011, 10 July 2018Edit

We now have 97 participants.

Be sure to welcome our newest members, BrantleyIzMe, Coffeeandcrumbs, and Nolan Perry, with warm regards.

Work is proceeding apace. We have 2 major thrusts right now: converting the intro sections of portals, and building the components of the one-page automated model...

Converting the intro sections

We need everybody, except those building software components, to work on converting intros. If you have AWB, definitely use that. If not, then work on them manually. Even one a day, or as often as you can muster, will help a lot. There are only about 1,000 of them left to go, so if everyone chips in, it will go pretty quickly. Remember, there are 97 of us!

The intros for most of the portals starting with A through F have already been converted to use the {{Transclude lead excerpt}} template.

The standard wikicode for the automated intro that we want to put into place looks like this:

{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}

That works for most portals, but not all. For some portals it requires some tweaking, and for others, we may have to use a different or more customized approach. Remember to visually inspect each portal you work on and make sure that it works before moving on to the next one.

Be sure to skip user-maintained portals. They are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers.

AWB tips

I've started an AWB tips page, for those of you feeling a bit overwhelmed by that power user tool. Feel free to add to it and/or improve it.

Portal automation

We have some very talented Lua programmers, who are pushing the limits of what we can do in gathering data from Wikipedia's various namespaces and presenting it in portals. Due to their efforts, Lua is powering the selective transclusion core of our emerging automated portal design, in the form of selected article sections that rotate content, and slideshows.

To go beyond Lua's limits, to take full advantage of Mediawiki's API, we are in the midst of adding another programming language to the resources we shall be making use of: JavaScript. The ways that JavaScript can help us edit portals to boost the power of our Lua solutions, are being explored, which will likely make the two languages synergistic if not symbiotic. Research is under way on how we can use JavaScript to make some of the portal semi-automated features fully automatically self-updating, in ways that Lua cannot. Like gathering random members from a category and inserting them into a portal's templates as parameters. Once the parameters are in place, Lua does the rest.

If you would like to get involved with design efforts, or just keep up on them, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

When should we start building new portals?

Well, not at the present time, because building portals is quite time consuming. The good news is that we are working on a design that will be fully automated, or as close to that as we can get. And the new design is being implemented in the portal department's main portal creation template. This means, that not only will portals update themselves, their creation will be highly automated as well. That's the nature of templates. You put them in place, and they just... work.

What I'm getting at here, is that it would be better to wait to build lots of new portals until after the new design is completed. Because with it, instead of taking hours to create a new portal, it will likely take minutes.

That does not mean we should be idle in the meantime. The main reason most of us are here is because it became apparent that portals were largely unmaintained and had grown out-of-date. This had become so apparent that a proposal was made to delete all the portals and the portal namespace to boot. That makes our main objective in the short term to improve all the existing portals so that the community will want to keep them—forever.

Building lots of new portals comes later. Let's fix up the ones we have first. ;)

And on that note, I bid you adieu. Until next newsletter, see ya 'round the WikiProject.    — The Transhumanist   12:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #012, 15 July 2018Edit

We have 97 participants.

Getting fasterEdit

Automation makes things go faster, even portal creation. One of the components Certes made was {{Transclude list item excerpt}}. I became curious about its possible applications.

So I worked out a portal design using it, the initial prototypes being Portal:Kyoto (without a "Selected pictures" section), and Portal:Dubai (with a "Selected pictures" section). Then I used Portal:Dubai as the basis for further portals of this type...

I was able to revamp Portal:Munich from start to finish in less than 22 minutes.
Portal:Dresden took about 19 minutes.
Portal:Athens took less than 17 minutes.
Did Portal:Florence in about 13 minutes.
Portal:Stockholm also in about 13.
Portal:Palermo approx. 12 minutes.

Why?

To see, and to show, what may become feasible via automation.

It now looks highly feasible that we could get portal construction time down to a few minutes, or maybe even down to a few seconds.

The singularity is just around the corner. :)

SlideshowsEdit

When using the {{Random slideshow}} template to display pictures, be sure to use the plural tense in the section title: "Selected pictures". That's because slideshows don't show up on many mobile devices. Instead the whole set of pictures is shown, hence the section title "Selected pictures", as it fits both situations.

In case you are curious, here is a list of the portals so far that have a slideshow:

Progress on intro conversionsEdit

The intros for most of the portals up through the letter "O" have been converted, using this wikicode:

{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}

Where the pagename didn't match the article title for the subject, the title was typed in.

Most of the portals that do not contain {{/intro}} or {{{{FULLPGENAME}}/Intro}} have not yet been processed.

About a thousand portals use the method of selective transclusion for the intro section. That's about two-thirds. That means we have one-third of the way to go on the intro section conversions.

Much more to come...Edit

So much has been happening with portals that I can't keep up with it. (That's good). Which means, more in the upcoming issue. Until then, see ya 'round the project. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   08:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #013, 18 July 2018Edit

I got overwhelmed IRL (in real life) during the production of issue #12. So, here is a catch-up issue, to help bring you (and me) up to speed on what is happening with portals...

By the way, we still have 97 participants. (Tell all your friends about this WikiProject, and have them join!)

Panoramas!Edit

One cool feature of some of the geographical portals is a panoramic picture at the top of the intro section.

Check these out:

The Portals WikiGnome squadron is busy adding panoramas to geographical portals that don't yet have one. Feel free to join in on the fun. See task details at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Add a panorama or skyline to a geographic portal.

Caveat: avoid super-huge pics, as they can cause portal scripts to time-out. Please try to keep picture size down below 2 megabytes. Thank you.

Auto-populated slideshowsEdit

Speaking of pictures...

We now have two slideshow templates. You may be familiar with {{Random slideshow}}, in which the editor types in (or copies/pastes) a list of pictures he or she wants it to display.

Well, now we have another template, courtesy of Evad37, which accepts one or more page names instead, and displays a random image off of the listed pages. So instead of listing dozens of files by hand, you can include a title or three to be scanned automatically. It even lets you specify particular sections.

The new slideshow template is {{Transclude files as random slideshow}}.

Here's a sample, that grabs images from a single page:

Selected motorcycle or motorcycling pictures

New Template:Box-header colourEdit

Speaking of new templates, here's another one!

Also from Evad37, we have a new component for starting section boxes, that is color configurable, and that bypasses the need for box-header subpages altogether. It is {{Box-header colour}}.

For color support, see Web colors.

For the discussion in which this was inspired, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Tasks#Colour combinations for accessibility.

(In case you didn't notice, the slideshow box above uses this new template).

BTW, don't forget to close your box with {{Box-footer}}.

Where are we on the redesign?Edit

The answer to this question is quite involved, and would fill this page to overflowing. Therefore, this subject, including a complete update on where we are at and where we are going with portal design, is covered at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

Where are we on portal conversion?Edit

An AWB pass to convert intros on the portals has been completed. The pass couldn't convert them all (due to various formatting configurations, etc.).

All but about 170 portals now have introductions selectively transcluded on the base page. Not counting manually maintained portals, that leaves about 70 portals that either need their intros converted, or they need an intro.

Next, we'll be converting the categories sections!

What's the plan, man?Edit

The course of action we have been taking goes something like this, with all steps being pursued simultaeneously...

1) Design a one-page automated portal model

2) Convert existing portals to that design (except those being manually maintained)

3) Remove subpages no longer needed

4) Develop further tools to empower editors working on portals

Later, when the tools are up to the task, filling in the gaps in coverage (with new portals) will also become practical.

Are we caught up yet?Edit

Probably not.

Who knows what our programmers and editors have dreamed up while I was writing this.

See ya again soon,    — The Transhumanist   11:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #014, 27 July 2018Edit

Development of design continues, full speed ahead...

Excerpt slideshows are here!Edit

Can you say "paradigm shift"?

Now, in addition to picture slideshows, we have slideshows that can display excerpts. Portals are not just for topic tasting anymore. Now they can be made useful for surveying Wikipedia's coverage of entire subjects. This gives a deeper meaning to their name. Hmmm. "Portals"... Doorways to knowledge.

Portal:Lithuania was redesigned using excerpt slideshows. Check it out.

For those of you who cannot wait to test out these new toys...

We have not one, but three excerpt slideshow components to pick from:

{{Transclude excerpts as random slideshow}}

For this one, you specify the page names where the excerpts are to be extracted from.

{{Transclude list item excerpts as random slideshow}}

This one accepts source pages from where the page names are gathered from list items. Then an excerpt from one of those pages is displayed. The selection of what is included in the slide show can be limited to a specific number from the collection (of the page names gathered), and that selection is renewed from scratch each time the page is purged.
For example, if you specify Template:World Heritage Sites in Spain as a source page, the slideshow will cycle through those sites. Now you don't have to type them in one-by-one. This greatly reduces portal creation time.

{{Transclude linked excerpts as random slideshow}}

Same as above, but gathers links instead of just linked list items.

Panoramic bannersEdit

{{Portal image banner}} displays a panoramic picture the width of the page, and adjusts its size, so it stays that way even if the user changes page view size. And it accepts multiple file names, so that the picture displayed randomizes between them each time the page is visited/purged.

Give resizing the page a try:

Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania.

You can now balance section boxesEdit

Before:

Reptile types
Amphibian types

After:

Reptile types
Amphibian types

Notice how the box bottoms line up. That readjusts even if you click the slideshow buttons.

The template used for this is {{Flex columns}}.

By the way, when you include more than one box in a column, any left over whitespace in that column is divided between them.

Box-header colourEdit

You may have noticed the new {{Box-header colour}} template used above. It lets you pick the color locally (right on the same page). Before, this was handled on a subpage somewhere.

Testing, testingEdit

Now that we have lots of toys to play with for making cool portals...

Don't forget, that the majority of views of Wikipedia these days are from mobile devices. We need to make certain that portals display well on those. So, remember to check your work on portals in mobile view mode...

To see a portal in mobile view mode, insert a ".m" into a portal's url, after "en", like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Reptile

If you discover problems in a portal you can't fix, report them on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design.

Until next time...Edit

Have fun.    — The Transhumanist   00:59, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals tasks requests: presented in the newsletter below...Edit

Portals WikiProject update #015, 31 July 2018Edit

Now that we have lots of toys to play with, it's play time!

Here are some fun activities to use our new toys on...

Fun activity #1: put the improved panorama template to useEdit

Would you like to travel around the world? Well, this may be the next best thing...

Here's another fun toy to play with: {{Portal image banner}}

To see what it looks like, check out the panoramas at the tops of the following portals:

The task: There are many geography portals that lack panoramas. Please add some. Please keep the file size down below 2 megabytes, and keep in mind that you may find quality banners at commons: at less than 200K (.2 megabytes). Good search terms to include with the place name are "banner", "cityscape", "skyline", "panorama", "landscape", etc.

Related task: There are also lots of geography portals that have panoramas used as gaudy banners (with print or icons splattered across them) or that display them in some random location on the page. In many cases, those pages would be improved by displaying the panorama as a clean picture at the top of the intro section, like on the examples above. This works best with banner-like panoramas. Please fix such pages when you come across them, if you believe it would improve the look of the page.

Taller images might be better suited displayed further down the page, or in the "Selected images" section.

Note that {{Portal image banner}} supports multiple images, and displays one at random upon the first visit, and each time the page is purged.

Fun activity #2: install "Selected images" sectionsEdit

That is, image slideshows!

Over 200 have been installed so far. Just 1200 to go. (Be sure not to install them on portals with active maintainers, unless they want you to).

The title "Selected images" reflects the fact that not all images on Wikipedia are pictures, and encompasses maps, graphs, diagrams, sketches, paintings, pictures, and so on.

The toys we have to work with for this are:

{{Random slideshow}}

and

{{Transclude files as random slideshow}}

The task: Using one of the above templates directly on a portal's base page, replace static "Selected picture" sections, with a section like one of these:

Selected images
Selected images

The one on the left uses {{Random slideshow}} (which accepts file names), and the one on the right uses {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} (which accepts source pages from which the filenames are gathered).

The above section formatting is used on many of the pages you will come across, but not all. In those cases, use whatever section formatting matches the rest of the page.

Note that you may come across "Selected picture" sections done with {{Random portal component}} templates. That template call is the entire section. Replace it with a section that matches the other sections on the page, and put the new slideshow inside that.

For example, in Portal:California, this code:

{{Random portal component|max=21|seed=27|header=Selected picture|subpage=Selected picture}}

was replaced with this code:

{{/box-header|Selected images|noedit=yes}}
{{Transclude files as random slideshow
| {{PAGENAME}}
| Culture of {{PAGENAME}}
}}
{{Box-footer}}

And the new section blended right in with the formatting of the rest of the page. Note the use of the {{PAGENAME}} magic word. Plain article titles also work. Don't feel limited to one or two page names. But be sure to test each slideshow before installing the next one. (Or if you prefer, in batches - just don't leave them hanging). Report technical problems at the Portal design talk page.

Fun activity #3: upgrade "Selected article" sectionsEdit

These sections, where unmaintained, have gone stale. That's because 1) the excerpts are static, having been manually copied and pasted, and 2) because they lack automatic addition of new entries.

They can be upgraded with:

{{Transclude random excerpt}}

or

{{Transclude list item excerpt}}

or

{{Transclude linked excerpt}}

All three of these will provide excerpts that won't go stale. The latter two can provide excerpt collections that won't go stale, by providing new entries over time. The key is to select source pages or source sections that are frequently updated, such as root article sections, mainstream lists, or navigation templates.

Where will this put us?Edit

When the above tasks are completed for the entire collection of portals (except the ones with specific maintainers), we'll be more than half-way done with the portal system upgrade.

Keep up the great work.    — The Transhumanist   19:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #016, 15 Aug 2018Edit

Future portal toolEdit

Discussions are underway on the design of a portal tool (user script) that will hopefully have features for modifying portals at the click of a menu item, to make editing them easier. It might do things like change the color for you, add to a selection, add a new section, move a section, and so on.

If you'd like to be involved and suggest features for the tool, please join us at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#What would you want a portal tool to be able to do?.

Progress report: upgrade of portalsEdit

As new portal components are built by our Lua gurus, those components are being used to upgrade portals. Each component automates a section of a portal in a particular way.

The sections that are mostly upgraded so far are the Intro, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

The sections currently undergoing upgrade are: Selected image, Categories, and the Intro.

The Intro? Isn't that done already?

Yes, and no.

The upgrade of the excerpt in intros is mostly complete (there are about 70 non-standard portals that still need it).

Now we are doing another upgrade of intros in the form of adding a panoramic picture at the top of the intro, on portals for which such a picture is available on Commons:. Dozens of panoramas have been added so far, and they are really starting to affect the look of portals — the portals that have them look really good.

Regions are the most likely subjects to have panoramas, but a surprising number of other subjects have banner-shaped pictures too. Some examples of non-geographic portals that they have been added to are:

Speaking of pictures, several hundred Selected image sections have been upgraded to include image slideshows.

Progress report: designEdit

The push for automation continues, with new components under continuous testing in the field. As problems are spotted, they are reported to our programmers, who have done a fantastic job of keeping up with bug reports and fixing the relevant Lua modules fast. I am highly impressed.

Construction time on new portals is now down to as little as a minute or less. Though not in general. If you are lucky enough to spot portals that fit the profile of the new tools (their strengths), then a portal can be complete almost as soon as it is created, with the added time it takes to find and add a panorama. Source page titles are not generally standardized, and so it source pages in many cases must be entered manually. Where source page titles follow a standard naming convention, portal creation for those subjects goes quickly.

So, we still have some hurdles, but the outlook on portals is very good. New features, and many improvements to features are on the horizon. I'll be sure to report them when they become available.

What will the portal of the future look like? That is up to you!

See you on the project's talk pages.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   21:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #017, 22 Aug 2018Edit

This issue is about portal creation...

Creating new portalsEdit

Myself and others have been testing and experimenting with the new components in upgrading existing portals and in building new portals. They have now been applied in hundreds of portals.

The templates are ready for general use for portal creation.

They are still a bit buggy, but the only way we are going to work the rest of the bugs out is by using them and reporting the bugs as we come across them.

I look forward to seeing what new portals you create!

Be sure to report bugs at WT:WPPORTD.

The main portal creation template is {{box portal skeleton}}.

Portal creation tipsEdit

After starting a portal using {{box portal skeleton}}...

  1. Placing a panorama (banner picture) at the top of the intro section is a nice touch, and really makes a portal look good. {{box portal skeleton}} doesn't automatically insert panoramas. So, you will need to do that by hand. They can be found at Commons:. For some examples, check out Portal:Sharks, Portal:Cheese, and Portal:Florence
  2. The search term provided in the Did you know? and In the news sections is very basic and rarely matches anything. It is best to replace that term with multiple search arguments, if possible (separate each argument with a pipe character). For example, in Portal:Capital punishment, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Capital_punishment&diff=855255361&oldid=855137403 Searches in templates use Lua search notation.
  3. Check the In the news and Did you know? sections for mismatches. That is, sometimes entries come up that shouldn't be displayed. If there are any, refine the search strings further, so they don't return such results.
  4. Finish each portal you've created before creating a new one. We don't want unfinished portals sitting around.

Need a laugh?Edit

Check out the Did you know? section on Portal:Determinism.    — The Transhumanist   02:23, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ron SimonsonEdit

 

The article Ron Simonson has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Natureium (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #018, 04 Sept 2018Edit

Bug hunt!Edit

As you know, portals are now supported by a number of new templates, which are in turn supported by some new Lua modules.

Those templates and modules are being put to the test, in the new portals that have been created since this WikiProject rebooted, plus a number of existing portals that have been revamped.

The new portals, and revamped ones, can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Please browse the new portals at your leisure, and report any and all problems that you spot. Post bug and other portal problem reports at WT:WPPORTD. Please report bugs, quirks, awkward aspects, or anything weird or off that you notice. Compliments and suggestions are also welcome. :)

When you report a bug, please indicate the portal's name, the section that the problem appeared in, and the name of the article appearing (first) in the section with the problem. Most problems will likely be encountered in the Selected general articles" section, due to quirks in a displayed article's wikicode that the lua modules don't handle yet. Your help in spotting those is of utmost value. Thank you.

Don't delete portal subpages just yetEdit

For portals that have been converted to the single-page design, we are not deleting their subpages at this time, because we are working on ways to harvest the data from those pages. For example, the Selected picture subpages include filenames and captions that would be valuable for the image slideshows. Please don't delete portal subpages, for now. They'll be slated for d-batch speedy deletion after harvesting. Thank you.

Development notesEdit

We are currently testing a feature added to {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} that allows it to accept both sourcepages and filenames. Courtesy of Evad37. This will pave the way for harvesting files and their captions from portal subpages, for use in image slideshows.

We need your helpEdit

The bulk of the work is being done by a handful of editors. But we can't do it all. We need help with spotting bugs, refining the search parameters in new/revamped portals (in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections), adding images to slideshows for a broader selection (they default to showing the images on the root article page but are capable of showing so much more), adding panoramic pictures at the top of the intro section of region portals (cities, counties, states, provinces, countries, continents, and other regions), to name but a few task types.

It is rewarding to be a part of the growing portal phenomenon. And you get to see its expansion and refinement up close.

Feel free to join in on the fun. ;)

Thank you,    — The Transhumanist   06:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

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Portals WikiProject update #019, 22 Sept 2018Edit

Portals progress reportEdit

Don't blink. You might miss something.

As of a few days ago, portals had doubled in about a month and a half.

Also, there were 98 incompleted portals in Category:Portals under construction. Now there are just 43.

The WikiProject page has been thoroughly revisedEdit

The goals, plans, and task sections have all been updated.

Orphaned portals need a home...Edit

Many new portals are still orphans, and need links pointing to them:

  1. A portal link at the bottom of corresponding navigation footer template. E.g., Template:Machines for Portal:Machines. See examples of a portals link at the bottom of Template:Robotics and Template:Forestry.
  2. A {{Portal}} box in the See also section of the corresponding root article for each portal. If there is no See also section, create one and place the portal template in that. (Rather than placing them in an external links section -- they're not external links).
  3. A {{Portal}} template placed at the top of the category page corresponding to each portal.

All new and revamped portals can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Portal:Contents/PortalsEdit

This is the main list of portals.

Nearly 2,000 of the new portals need to be listed here.

They can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

Customized Portal Rating system is now in placeEdit

Portals now have a new rating system of their own designed specifically to support portal evaluation! We were trying to use the standard assessment system for articles, but that doesn't fit portals very well.

Many thanks to Evad37, Waggers, AfroThundr3007730, SMcCandlish, Tom, BrendonTheWizard, and Pbsouthwood for their work and input on this.

The new system can be found at the top of all portal talk pages, in the WikiProject portals box. Those with "???" ratings need to be assessed, which makes up most of the older portals.

Most of the new portals were started out with an initial "Low" level of importance when their talk pages were created. Those deserving higher importance should be promoted as you come across them.

Improving the new portalsEdit

The starting point for new portals included minimal parameters and content, in the form of default values in the template(s) used for their creation.

Embellishing embedded search stringsEdit

So, for the search strings in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections, this was the magic word {{PAGENAME}}, which represents the portal's name. Unfortunately, the resulting term is alway capitalized, which limits its effectiveness as a search string for anything but proper nouns. Results for those two sections can be improved, by replacing the "PAGENAME" magic word with multiple search strings, and search strings that begin with lower case letters. There is no inherent limit as to how many search parameters may be included. Lua search notation is used. The more general the subject, the more subtopic search terms you may want to include. For example, on Portal:Avengers (comics), {{PAGENAME}} turned up nothing. But, when more parameters were added, as in the wikicode below...

{{Transclude selected recent additions | {{PAGENAME}} | Iron Man | Spiderman | Antman | Hawkeye | The Hulk | Incredible Hulk | David Banner | Captain America | Scarlet Witch | Black Widow | Tony Stark | Nick Fury | Age of Ultron | Infinity War | months=36 | header={{Box-header colour|Did you know... }}|max=6}}

... that returned several results in the portal's DYK section.

Be sure you make the improvements to both the DYK section and the "In the news" section, as they both require the search strings.

Expanding the slideshow contentsEdit

The default starting selection for the image slideshow in most new portals is whatever images happen to be in the corresponding root article (via the PAGENAME magic word). You can improve image slideshows by adding more sourcepages and filenames as parameters in the "Selected images" section of portals.

See Template:Transclude files as random slideshow/doc for instructions.

More exciting things are to come...Edit

Portals used to take about 6 hours or more to create. Now, for subjects that have particular navigation support, we've got that down to about one minute each, with even more content displayed than ever. True, that means the new portals pick you, rather than the other way around. Creating a specific portal that doesn't happen to have the requisite navigation support is still pretty time consuming. But, we are working on extending our reach beyond the low-hanging fruit.

And efforts are ongoing to keep shaving time off of the creation process. Eventually, we may get it down to seconds each.

In addition to improving automation, we're always looking for new features and improvements that we can add to portals, and there is plenty of potential to expand on the standard design so that new portals are even better right out of the starting gate. Additional designs are also possible.

On the horizon, there are many more portals waiting to be created. And we can expect to see at least a few more section types emerge. I never expected slideshows, for example, especially not for excerpts. Who knows where innovation will take us next?

Keep up the great work everyone.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   07:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #020, 12 Oct 2018Edit

Whew, a lot has been happening.

A bit of defending of the portals has been needed. But, most activity recently has been directed upon maintenance and development of existing portals.

The majority of portals now use the new design, about 2400 of them, leaving around 1200 portals that still employ the old style.

Newest portalsEdit

Please inspect these portals, and report problems or suggest improvements at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

MfDsEdit

Since the last issue of this newsletter, Nineteen portals were nominated for deletion. All posted by the same person.

Two portals were deleted.

One resolved as "no consensus".

Sixteen resolved as "keep".

Links to the archived discussions are provided below:

  1. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Air France
  2. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alexander Korda
  3. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:August Derleth
  4. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Average White Band
  5. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bee-eaters
  6. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ben E. King
  7. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benny Goodman
  8. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bill Bryson
  9. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Idol
  10. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Ocean
  11. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bob Hope
  12. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bobbie Rosenfeld Award
  13. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Body piercing
  14. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Canton, Michigan
  15. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Compostela Group of Universities
  16. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diplo
  17. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diversity of fish
  18. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Pebble Beach