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DYK for Tanitoluwa AdewumiEdit

 On 5 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tanitoluwa Adewumi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that eight-year-old Nigerian refugee Tanitoluwa Adewumi won a New York state chess championship while his family was living in a homeless shelter in Manhattan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tanitoluwa Adewumi. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tanitoluwa Adewumi), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

DisambiguationEdit

Hi, you added a disambiguation tag to the word "continuous" in the lead of this article: Surjection of Fréchet spaces.

I do not understand what is ambiguous about the word "continuous" in that statement. What are two different interpretations of that statement?Mgkrupa (talk) 20:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mgkrupa: Continuous is a DAB page, and should not be linked to: User:DPL bot logs such links as errors. Which of the dozen or so mathematics-related links on that page is the correct one here? I'm not a mathematician, and I simply don't know. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
(talk page gnome) The statement is not ambiguous, but Continuous is a disambiguation page about continuity in general, which might not give the reader relevant information about what "continuous" means in that sentence. It may be better to use a piped link to a more specific article, such as Continuous linear operator. Certes (talk) 20:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you to both of you.Mgkrupa (talk) 20:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Latso PianistEdit

Hi there, do you think you can help me out with improving this article? I see youa arean expert in editing articles. I would very much appreciate your help. Thanks! Best, Sausa (talk) 22:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Hot Rod HeartEdit

 

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Thank you!!Edit

...for that fix on The Valley of Bones. Novellasyes (talk) 16:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Novellasyes: With Widmerpool at arguably his most despicable. I must reread ADTTMOT again sometime. Narky Blert (talk) 17:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

SilambarasanEdit

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Baadshah to Baadshah (2013 film) in article Silambarasan? Thank you! --217.66.154.46 (talk) 10:08, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done Narky Blert (talk) 10:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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Indian filmsEdit

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Hong Kong multilingual films and South Korean multilingual films in article To Kill with Intrigue and Category:Indian pregnancy films in article Vivegam? Thank you! --217.66.156.81 (talk) 08:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 09:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Foreign films shot in Switzerland in articles Veeram (2014 film), Krrish 3 and Thuppakki? Thank you! --217.66.156.73 (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Foreign films shot in Thailand in article F9 (film)? Thank you! --217.66.156.73 (talk) 11:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done Narky Blert (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Govinda (actor) in article List of Bollywood films of 2000, List of Bollywood films of 2002, List of Bollywood films of 2007, List of Bollywood films of 1990, List of Bollywood films of 1991, 1992, List of Bollywood films of 1993]], List of Bollywood films of 1994, List of Bollywood films of 1995, List of Bollywood films of 1996, List of Bollywood films of 1997, List of Bollywood films of 1998, List of Bollywood films of 1999, List of Bollywood films of 1986, List of Bollywood films of 1987, List of Bollywood films of 1988, List of Bollywood films of 1989, List of Bollywood films of 2009 and Puja Banerjee? Thank you! --217.66.154.157 (talk) 14:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

All   Done. Narky Blert (talk) 14:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Indian remakes of foreign films in article Jawaani Jaaneman? Thank you! --217.66.158.178 (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done. Narky Blert (talk) 09:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Sannata in Lux Style Awards? Thank you! --217.66.152.35 (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done. Narky Blert (talk) 09:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Sannata in Yumna Zaidi, Sajal Aly, Danish Taimoor, Saba Qamar? Thank you! --217.66.152.35 (talk) 10:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

All   Done. Narky Blert (talk) 19:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
With complications: see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 25#Sannata (2013 film). If you have any insight, it would be welcome. Narky Blert (talk) 19:50, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you link Kanoon (1994 film) in article Ajay Devgn? Thank you! --217.66.156.239 (talk) 10:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done (and DAB page Kanoon (disambiguation) created). Narky Blert (talk) 07:32, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Template:Works based on the Mahabharata in article Kurukshetra (2019 film)? Thank you! --217.66.157.170 (talk) 13:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

  Done. Narky Blert (talk) 07:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Riaz (actor) in article Shakib Khan? Thank you! --217.66.157.196 (talk) 18:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Oops, I may have missed this post; but it's been   Done Narky Blert (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Redirect to solveEdit

Hi,

as I see Balkan Romance redirects Eastern Romance languages, although it should be Balkan Romance languages, could you fix it? Thank you!(KIENGIR (talk) 22:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: Good catch! There's also Balkan Romance substratum, so there's a case for disambiguation or hatnoting of some sort. Eastern Romance also looks like a potential problem: as well as Eastern Romance languages (the current target), there's also Eastern Romance people and Eastern Romance substratum. IMO, turning both redirects Balkan Romance and Eastern Romance into new DAB pages might be the best solution - what do you think? I may need to sleep on this. (I suppose we could take this to WP:RFD if we can't work out the best solution between ourselves; those two redirects have been around for a long time (2015 for Balkan, 2006 for Eastern)). Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 00:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
@KIENGIR: OK I've slept on it, and here's what I suggest:
  1. Retarget Balkan Romance to Balkan Romance languages (your proposal).
  2. Hatnote Balkan Romance languages to Balkan Romance substratum. Its a subtopic of Balkan Romance languages, and IMO a DAB page would fall under WP:ONEOTHER
  3. Turn Eastern Romance into a DAB page. The people (Vlachs) and the languages are both important topics. I haven't looked, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Eastern Romance has some bad links-in from films and the like. I would be happy to clean up the links-in, I do that sort of thing all the time.
  4. Cross-refer Balkan Romance languages and Eastern Romance to each other, by a hatnote and by a DAB page see-also respectively.
Thoughts? Narky Blert (talk) 09:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, thank you for your time and care.
As I read both of your reactions all in one, I'd say for 1.->yes, 2.->yes. 3&4 -> would depend, maybe not even necessary since Balkan Romance Languages are one of the subtypes of the Eastern-Romance languages (the other would be the Castelmezzano dialect, check the infobox at the Eastern-Romance languages). This may lead to the conclusion that 3&4 are not even necessary, since they are not in the same level.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:35, 14 July 2020 (UTC))
@KIENGIR: That suggests these modifications:
3a. Hatnote Eastern Romance to the other two topics, in like manner to (2) above.
4a. Omit, if in your judgment readers can easily find what they want. I included it basically because an editor had targetted Balkan Romance to the wrong article, which suggested there might be some confusion in people's minds.
Reply here if you agree, and I'll get on with it. Narky Blert (talk) 14:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
3a->Yes, 4a->omit (because in all language articles infobox shows the ancestry and relation line, with links related, so, no need for cross-reference, neither by hatnote or DAB. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC))
@KIENGIR: OK, we're agreed. I'll do it all & give you a {{ping}} when it's done so that you can check; probably tomorrow morning (it's 7:30PM here, and I'm winding down). Narky Blert (talk) 18:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
@KIENGIR: 1, 2, 3a   Done. Narky Blert (talk) 10:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank You! Meanwhile browsing, something took my attention, the Eastern-Romance Substratum is as well redirected to Substrate in Romanian (next to Balkan Romance substratum which is correct), that is a problem, since the Castelmezzano dialect is not a Romanian language. I don't you recently how to solve the best this situation, since I did not find any page caring about Eastern-Romance substrate...either the Substrate in Romanian article should be renamed, or DAB page? What is your opinion? Thank you(KIENGIR (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: This is completely out of my field. Is Eastern Romance substratum an actual thing, or is this redirect a misnomer? In either case, it should perhaps be deleted, either (1) to encourage article creation or (2) because it's wrong. The best place to start might be to open a discussion at WP:WikiProject Linguistics, to see if any editor there has an insight. If the conclusion is that it should be deleted, the place to request that is WP:RFD; but with a specialist topic like this, I'd try the WikiProject first. Narky Blert (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Borsoka:, do you have any suggestion how to solve this last issue, I'd like to know your opinion before in case go forward? Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC))
It depends on the definition of Eastern Romance and Balkan Romance languages. As far as I remember according to the most widely accepted definitions, all Balkan Romance languages are Eastern Romance languages. I think Eastern Romance substratum did not exist, because the southern Italian dialect and the Romanian variants did not develop from the same substratum. If we list Dalmatian among the Balkan Romance languages, we could hardly talk about a Balkan Romance substratum. Borsoka (talk) 02:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Merger proposalEdit

I propose to merge National Institute of Fashion Technology Kannur into National Institute of Fashion Technology . I think that the content in the National Institute of Fashion Technology Kannur article can easily be explained in the context of National Institute of Fashion Technology , and the National Institute of Fashion Technology article is of a reasonable size that the merging of National Institute of Fashion Technology Kannur will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. Ignostar (talk) 13:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ignostar: Sorry, I know nothing about this subject. I suggest that you open a WP:MERGE discussion on the Talk Page of National Institute of Fashion Technology. Add {{merge from}} and {{merge to}} templates to the two articles to alert interested editors to the discussion. Narky Blert (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Galak-Z: The Dimensional / Pixel Junk Shooter 1 / Pixel Junk Shooter 2Edit

Hello, I'm here to talk to you about the wikipedia article "Galak-Z: The Dimensional". In your opinion, the game publishers are not clear? I do not understand the problem. On Playstation 4, the game was published by Sony Computer Entertainment (I put a link) but in North America only. In the rest of the world it has been published by 17-bit. On PC it was published worldwide by 17-bit. On Switch it was published worldwide by Golem Consulting (I also put a link in the article to prove it). It is not uncommon for a game not to be published by the same person depending on the platform. For example Detroit: Become Human was published on PS4 by Sony Interactive Entertainment and on PC by Quantic Dream;) Galak-Z is not the only game to have several publishers depending on the platform. Sorry for my average English but I am French. I look forward to your response, good day to you :) P.S : I just noticed that you have also made modifications for Pixel Junk shooter 1 and 2. I have made some modifications to make it clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragounis (talkcontribs) 18:45, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dragounis: Galak-Z: The Dimensional links to the DAB page WW. Links to DAB pages are errors; see WP:INTDAB. I'm guessing that in context WW means "worldwide". As I've said in my hidden notes on the {{dn}} tags, that's a commonplace word, and shouldn't be linked. Narky Blert (talk) 11:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I understood the problem with the 3 articles. I removed the "ww" link for the 3 articles, now we can no longer click on it. The problem is therefore resolved :) Galak-Z : The Dimensional : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galak-Z:_The_Dimensional PixelJunk Shooter 1 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PixelJunk_Shooter PixelJunk Shooter 2 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PixelJunk_Shooter_2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragounis (talkcontribs) 19:35, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dragounis: :-) Narky Blert (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

ThanxEdit

Thank you for the contribution--especially the link--on Persecution of pagans. I just wan ted to let you know I am putting "whom" back in place of who as it is the correct usage. It is the object of the verb 'calls' in that sentence--you can tell by substituting "him" as in OHLA calls 'him'--so whom is the correct word there not who. Thank you for the rest! Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:32, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: I have no strong feelings about 'who'/'whom', except a minor sentiment that 'whom' feels unnatural in modern British English except directly after a preposition. It's not at all important, and I'm not going to dig out my copy of Fowler's Modern English Usage or whatever to try to support either position.
One thing we can probably agree on, an edit I made earlier today, to something like "X was a person that was born in Y". That rather than who for a person? Narky Blert (talk) 22:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
You are absolutely right about a person not being a that. I generally dislike using many thats, but for some reason some editors love them and go around inserting thats everywhere willy nilly! I do not get the obsession! It is verbal clutter in my view. Get rid of all the thats you feel like!
At any rate, the who/whom thing may be an 'across the pond' kind of difference since I'm American, but my English Handbook--which is no doubt not the same as yours since we rebels liked to make up our own rules regardless of consistency or the lack of it--supports whom. If you don't care, then that's totally cool, since I have already changed it back.   Thanx again, Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
@Jenhawk777: There's a difference between British and American usage, in that James Murray and his successors attempted to describe the one and Noah Webster and his successors to prescribe the other.
One of my father's friends once asked him to explain the rule which defined some feature of English. He replied, there are no rules, only what feels right and wrong to a native speaker. IMO that is true for every variety of that very flexible language.
I only recently had the full joke in this clip properly explained to me. Barbara Billingsley, who played that stereotypical Jewish/Black mother, would never have met anyone either Jewish or Black in her best-known role as June Cleaver in Leave It to Beaver. Narky Blert (talk) 23:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
OK I'm laughing out loud, but I'm totally confused by this: Barbara Billingsley, who played that stereotypical Jewish/Black mother. Say what?! Jive was jazz man and that's not a racially exclusive club. Anyway, back to English. One of my favorite sayings is that Brits and Americans are divided by a common language.   It seems to fit!
I also wanted to let you know I found another one of this guy's articles. I'm amazed no one has done anything about him--his articles are OR, and plagiarism from WP and blogs! I ran the copy-vio on it multiple times but you still caught one I didn't. You rock dude!
I'm glad to have met you. You seem pretty chill. Hope to see you around some more, Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Britannia (TV series)Edit

Thanks for pointing out the error in my edit on the Britannia page ('various'). Wasn't sure how to reference the various sources all linked to on the one page, and am at work. 92.40.168.228 (talk) 16:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

No worries, I've seen worse! When I created the DAB page Various, I had to fix several dozen links.
I've formatted those two citations: they're clearly by Ben Krushkoff, even if he mentions other people. Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Redlinked biologistsEdit

Several biologists have 50+ redlinks from taxonomy articles. Do you know anyone who could verify whether they're notable and consider writing articles about them?

I can find more if they're useful to anyone. Certes (talk) 20:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

@Certes: I haven't looked to see if David G Smith stylises his name that way or if the title is a MOS:INITIALS error. (I have come across one article about an American who wrote his middle initial with no full stop, because that was how he'd been christened.)
I find red a much more appealing link colour than orange, and thoroughly approve of {{ill}} links.
Anyone with 50+ links is almost certainly notable. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them have taxa named in their honour. (I don't think it's mentioned in WP:NBIO or elsewhere, but IMO having something permanent named after you is often good evidence of notability.}
A challenge with lesser-known naturalists is that the Wikipedia biography is often the biography, which can require considerable research, not merely extracting the salient details from elsewhere. As examples of my own, I might mention James Hardy (naturalist), Richard Brinsley Hinds, Alfred Nicholson Leeds and Charles Stokes (collector). (I remember that it took me three-quarters of an hour to find first Hinds' initials then his given names. The fact that he had been so forgotten was scandalous. If you know your history of science, you should be able to guess from the lede the name of the ship whose work Sulphur continued and the identity of the captain's companion.)
One idea might be to post items from your list on relevant WikiProject Talk Pages, in case an editor feels like doing the legwork, and see how it goes. (I post collections of difficult DABlinks on such Talk Pages from time to time. Some WikiProjects are assiduous in clearing them out, others are useless.) I haven't looked to see if any are already on "missing article" lists. Narky Blert (talk) 07:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks; good plan. WT:WikiProject Fishes looks active and should cover most of these people. Certes (talk) 12:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Dablink repairsEdit

Narky Blert, thanks for all your efforts in dablink repair, such as at Madhu (actor) and many others. How are you finding the links which need repair, are you using PetScan?

By the way: if you're interested in the other angle of dab repair, i.e, the "find and enumerate" part, please be aware of a recent upgrade to Template:Dablinks which permits you to list up to ten articles that need repair in the template itself. For examples in the wild, see Turismo Carretera, Mayors in New Zealand, or Chin people. There's an outstanding request to get DPL bot to populate this automatically, but I don't know when, or if that might happen. Mathglot (talk) 22:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Thanks for the thanks. I mostly use Disambiguation pages with links. There's plenty there to be getting on with, and I cycle through it. I started out on DABfixing with Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation. It had 10,800 entries; once I and others had got it down to 4,500, I looked for another report to attack. I tried several, but was duplicating effort. I eventually found DPWL, where it's rare to come across a link which another editor has just fixed. It had something like 48,000 entries (see WP:TDD#Table 1 Column 1). IIRC, my first run took eight months; there was stuff there which hadn't been looked at in a decade. It has taken me as little as six weeks, but that's drifted out to a couple of months; it depends on how many warm bodies are doing heavy-duty DABfixing.
For templates, there's already Templates with disambiguation links. Other editors work that each day, and I leave it to them. I also largely pass by the "new horrors" report, WP:TDD#Today's highlights. I'm inefficient there; others have better tools and greater patience, and work it much more quickly than I can.
The one report I feel the lack of is, one which would list all the DABlinks in a page (see WP:TDD#Table 3, left-hand columns); not so much to find the links (I can see them because I have "Preferences/Gadgets/Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" enabled), but to drop as-polite-as-I-can-manage notifications on the Talk Pages of editors who don't bother with WP:TESTLINK. The worst pages show up in Category:Pages with excessive dablinks, which I've started to look at occasionally for variety's sake. (The edit history of List of American television programs, which two of us worked on, shows how bad some of those can be; check the timestamps.) (I'm also watching for any reappearance of this idiot, who was a real timesink for multiple DABfixers until I spotted a pattern and put a couple of hours into digging out IPs.)
It's always a pleasure to meet another editor who's active in several languages. (I routinely check home language when DABfixing. There may be a good link there, or additional information to help solve a problem. If home language links to a DAB page and I get the answer another way - hey, let's fix that link too.) Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 04:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Wow, this was an amazing education, thank you so much for taking the time to explain these things to me! I'm going to have to permalink this and add it to my Tips page, so I can find it again. I had no idea about your languages till I checked your user page, and you're right—that gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling as well, to know there's someone else out there. You're comment about interwikis reminded me of a recent concern, but I'll open that under a new header, as it deserves its own airing.
Thanks so much again for this great information about dablinks! Mathglot (talk) 06:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for cleaning up the remaining Indian film edits. I did a small fraction of the fixing but never got around to finishing the job. I think some edits may be good-faith replacement of our cast list by a text list from elsewhere with added [[]] but it's still tedious to undo.
We have a list of Articles With Multiple Dablinks. There are tools to list dablinks from individual pages and help you fix them. (Warning: external IP address. https: is available but the certificate is for its expired subdomain dispenser.info.tm.) Certes (talk) 10:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
When the .info domain was introduced, it rapidly acquired a terrible name among spamhunters. One of my friends claimed that there was one one good .info site, but I found a second and later a third. Turkmenistan (.tm) must make loads of cash for having an ISO country code which looks like ™. Narky Blert (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Interwikis in citationsEdit

So, I'm a big interwiki fan as well. I could say a lot about the topic, but what prompted me to comment just now, is a recent bout I had with some very odd behavior in an article with an interwiki in a citation template, in one of the "link" fields like author1-link. You can get a sneak preview of this behavior at this revision of "André Diethelm", by mousing over or clicking the "Français" interwiki in the language sidebar. I opened a discussion about it at WT:CS1. Reason I mention this, is that I haven't heard back from Trappist yet, although it's only been a couple of days, and there's no rush. Trappist is "Mr Citation Templates", and I'm not sure how much he is interested in the wikilink aspect of them, which is definitely a very minor part. It also occurs to me, that my explanation at the Help:CS1 page might not have been clear, or I may not have explained well why this is an issue, or what should be done about it. If you're willing, could you watch the discussion, and if there's nothing in a week or so, maybe consider weighing in, assuming you think it's worthwhile? It might benefit by having another voice, of someone who's familiar with interwikis. The discussion is at WT:CS1#Please add param error checking for interwikis lacking leading colon. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 07:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I claim that I've linked to or translated a language if there is any kind of article in that language in the parent Wikidata group. I confess that I've translated a couple of articles purely to add a language or two to my collection. (Arino was a special case; I wrote it to fix linking problems in the biographies of the two notable residents. It's as stubby as it gets because Google Translate doesn't know any of the three parent-article languages, and my Russian isn't good enough to make up the difference.)
|authorlink= you say? Most fields in {{cite}} templates will handle whatever style of link you throw at them, but not that one. You do get a big, red error message if you try to insert an {{ill}} link; I hadn't tried the "[[:" syntax, which I like less - it lays WP:EASTEREGGs, especially if the target is in a non-Roman script. Your story of that silent error is alarming. I've got round the problem by adding a note outside the template (see e.g. Henri Fertet ref. 4; I'm pleased to be able to say that my Réseau guy got 12,000 views on the front page). I suppose the |others= field would work too, but it's a choice between degrees of tackiness.
I know the editor of whom you speak. He's reverted me because I had added a {{disambiguation needed}} tag to an |authorlink= field and it broke the template syntax. Which is better for the encyclopaedia - a pretty-looking link which points to the wrong place, or an ugly maintenance tag flagging a problem which someone might know how to fix, but only if alerted to it? I'm reminded of something about woods and trees. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 08:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
No need for an {{ill}}, and |authorlink= handles an interwiki just fine. Fertet per Tournoux, you say?[1][2]
The point is, it works just fine if you get the syntax right. I wouldn't even mind if it broke with the "wrong" syntax and didn't link it; but it doesn't just break, it does something evil. And anyway, it works just fine without the colon as an interwiki in running text—[[:fr:Le Monde]] and [[fr:Le Monde]] (with, and without leading colon, respectively) generate fr:Le Monde and fr:Le Monde, and both links work identically; the leading colon is optional. So it's in the {{citation}} family of templates, apparently where the "[[:" syntax is required. Just don't try it in the publisher field or any other field of a {{citation}} without the leading colon, and don't try |authorlink=fr:Raymond Tournoux without that leading colon either. Not only does it have bizarre results, but the Wikidata bot comes along minutes later, and will link your Fertet fellow to the French Le Monde article, or to authorlinked Tournoux (depending, I think, on who appeared first) and will publish it in the language sidebar of your article. Do it right, and it's all smiles. Mathglot (talk) 09:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Update: according to Help:Interlanguage_links#Method, the version without leading colon only works on Talk pages and Meta, which may explain why fr:Le Monde works here. The essential point that leading colon must be used in articles, remains. Mathglot (talk) 23:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

RefsEdit

  1. ^ Tournoux, Raymond (5 January 1981). "Trente-sept ans après..." Le Monde (in French). Retrieved 1 December 2019.
  2. ^ Carhon, Philippe (5 June 2019). "Emmanuel Macron lit (en partie) la lettre d'adieu d'Henri Fertet, jeune résistant catholique de 16 ans". Le Salon beige (in French). Retrieved 1 December 2019.

ShakibEdit

Dear Narky Blert! Can you link Riaz (actor) and Top Hero (2010 film) in article Shakib Khan? Thank you! -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.66.154.157 (talk) 13:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

  Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 13:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

DisambiguationEdit

Hello, I saw that you were a participant on a discussion about deleting the Adam Griffith disambiguation. So I wonder if you can help me. I started an article for Theodore Johnson (Tuskegee Airmen), and now I see there are three Theodore Johnson's and one is a serial killer. Do you think we need a disambiguation page? Also if needed would you create one. I do not want to screw it up. Thanks much! Wm335td (talk) 18:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wm335td:   Done. Easy if you know how, and IMO a DAB page was needed. I picked up a couple of near-matches, and added them as see-alsos. I added a {{redirect}} hatnote to Theophilus Johnson, for the benefit of anyone who might be looking for a Theo and found themself looking at the wrong page.
Good work on your airman (yes, I did know of the Tuskegee Airmen; in general terms, at any rate).
You might want to open a WP:RM discussion at Talk:Theodore Johnson. I doubt whether any of the three full-name matches is WP:PTOPIC, but have serious doubts as to whether it is the obscure state representative. The moves to propose would be (1) Theodore Johnson -> Theodore Johnson (politician) and (2) Theodore Johnson (disambiguation) -> Theodore Johnson. If you do, {{ping}} me, and I will attempt a proper appraisal. Narky Blert (talk) 18:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks much! That was fast. Wm335td (talk) 18:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

OopsEdit

Sorry about my revert on List of operas -- I didn't bother to scroll down the page and see that you actually did make it into a redlink. Gerda has fixed it now. Softlavender (talk) 06:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Softlavender: No worries, it happens to all of us. Narky Blert (talk) 06:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Re:AwesomenessEdit

Is the tag to supplement or replace the redirect notice? I need to know so I can get this right the first time around :) TomStar81 (Talk) 01:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

@TomStar81: Always as an extra. It categorises the redirect, but makes no other change. See e.g. the latest edits of Ghost Stories and Missed Call for recent similar examples. You get the feeling it will have zero effect on editors who don't check their links before posting, but you never know; and it automatically makes the redirect {{unprintworthy}} also. Narky Blert (talk) 01:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Done! Thanks for the reply. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
@TomStar81: Cheers! Narky Blert (talk) 02:05, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Your entry at RFDEdit

Is your link to "poof" correct here? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Thanks for the spot, I've edited. Narky Blert (talk) 18:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Inviting you to take place in a discussion about Chris Mullin pageEdit

Hi, how are you?

As you know, right now the Chris Mullin page leads directly to the basketball player, which I find a tad ridiculous, as outside of the US, hardly anyone has heard of him, and in Britain when they say Chris Mullin they clearly refer to the politician Chris Mullin (politician).

I've started a discussion on the Talk:Chris Mullin page, under the title Talk:Chris Mullin#Requested move 22 August_2020, and would really appreciate it if you could voice your piece there.

Thank you! Maxim.il89 (talk) 00:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I've commented. Narky Blert (talk) 16:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Redirect change requestEdit

Hi,

kindly ask your help again. The Hungarian State, and/or "Hungarian state" & other variants redirect to Government of National Unity (Hungary), which is erroneus, since it's about a government. It should redirect to Hungarian State (1849), which is in fact correct. Please execute, Thank You!(KIENGIR (talk) 03:08, 22 August 2020 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: First of all, good catch!
I'm not convinced that Hungarian State (1849) would be the best target, so I've opened a discussion at WP:RFD#Hungarian State. If you would like to, please join in there. Narky Blert (talk) 16:51, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

RE: Your reversion on Bayakoa Stakes (Los Alamitos) - From WP:DATELISTEdit

Guideline is a guidleine and is not mandatory; there are exceptions. Please see:
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse racing#Important (lengthy) information about horse race table setup

Thanks Stretchrunner (talk) 12:18, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Stretchrunner: It would be a good idea to link to that difficult-to-find consensus in the guideline. Narky Blert (talk) 12:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Your suggestion is right on. We are still in process on several other important matters that will end up with a page on standardized setup & editing of tables etc. as a guideline after which we can add more info to the talk page for all new T'bred related articles where we insert this "box" racing|class=start|importance=low. This would be a notation for editors in doubt to refer to the Project's guidelines and suggestions. As well, we will be doing a "helpful hints" page for such minor things as I just did on that Bayakoa Stakes page by inserting the stable owner's name in brackets and getting full names to replace just an initial. Thanks again. Good input is always appreciated at the Project. Stretchrunner (talk) 12:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
@Stretchrunner: My first go at a possible form of words is, "There is WP:CONSENSUS that lists of results at horse-racing events should be in newest-first order; see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse racing#Important (lengthy) information about horse race table setup" or similar. Feel free to tweak.
If you can hammer out consensus on how to present horse racing info, it could be a good idea to link to it on the Project's Main Page itself. For an example, see WP:WikiProject Classical music#Guidelines. Consistency is important! Narky Blert (talk) 13:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't express myself well. That's what will be done. Stretchrunner (talk) 13:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Thoughts from a warm bodyEdit

I was interested to read your response to FIXDABLINKS, especially the comment about needing more warm bodies. For the past couple of years, I've done far less disambiguating as I've moved on to fixing unambiguous but wrong links, much as we (mainly you) did so successfully with surnames in taxon articles. (I recently finished a pass of easily mislinked cities such as Tripoli, Lebanon, though I'm sure I missed many, and am currently working through surnames in descending order of link count. It's hard to measure progress, as we have no list of outstanding errors. I haven't even looked at SIAs.) My rationale was that no one else seemed to be doing that, whereas we have several able disambiguators and an active wikiproject to coordinate your efforts. However, I'm wondering whether it's time to move back to more general disambiguation. Any thoughts? Certes (talk) 23:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

@Certes: You will appreciate that I was making a rhetorical point. I have seen comments in move requests to the effect of "Don't worry about the broken links, DABfixers love repairing them".
In 2016, I was a moderator on a well-known social website. There were about 40 of us, of whom a dozen or so were highly active, struggling to keep it free of spam and to a lesser extent trolls. I was beginning to reach out to the Spanish-language site, which was untended, and full of spam (mainly copyright violations), porn and underagers; other of my colleagues specialised in German, Portuguese and Vietnamese (where spamming is a thriving cottage industry). Management decided that, having satisfactorily redesigned the site to make it less user-friendly, they would take all moderation in-house; because obviously a couple of junior employees with other responsibilities and some home-written filters would be more efficient than a rabble of volunteers. Or at any rate, more controllable. They removed our tools, and we all went off to do something more useful. I settled on Wikipedia. (That site has since fallen off the Quantcast ratings. Strange.)
I started out on serious disambiguating with Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation. After I'd worked through it, and revisited some of the earliest stuff with what I had learnt, I sought another project. I looked at some of the high-profile recent-DABlink reports, and realised I was duplicating effort. I settled on DPwL, and have been cycling through it ever since. (I haven't been keeping count of the times, and don't really want to know.)
All bad links degrade the encyclopaedia. Ever since User:DPL bot coughed into life a decade ago, DABlinks have been easily findable; and in any case, a reader who clicks on a DABlink should see that something is wrong, and with any luck find what they want. Other types of bad, or even inferior, link are worse; they are difficult to find and can be actively misleading.
Making improvements which neither remove error messages nor are counted is gnomery at its purest. Keep doing what you're doing.
You might want to have a look at DIY. It's an unfortunate fact that DIY musicians, who often follow the DIY ethos, may be reviewed in DIY magazine.
I’ve never been any good at DIY, "Do it yourself" would always be my reply. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 06:37, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the useful comments. Yes, Wikipedia would be a better place if editors did worry about the broken links, which is one reason we need something like FIXDABLINKS_to guide them and to wave under the noses of repeat offenders.
I think you're right that I should carry on. Many of my edits could be done by a trained chimp, but finding where they're needed is something of an art, and I doubt that much of what I'm doing is duplicated. One area where I could benefit from help is in compiling a list of Frequently Mislinked Articles where periodic re-checking might be worthwhile. User:Certes/misdirected links#Examples is a start but I hadn't noticed DIY, and I expect that other editors have adopted similar pages where the topic at the base name is not what comes first to many minds. Certes (talk) 09:49, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh dear. Certes (talk) 09:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@Certes: My problems are the converse of yours. It's easy to find pages with DABlinks; most singletons solve themselves, but the interesting ones are those that don't.
Have you watched Irving Finkel's YT videos on The Royal Game of Ur? He's an entertaining speaker, and the game looks a good one which offers the skillful player many opportunities to relieve a less-skilled opponent of superfluous money. (Note: sleight of hand is also a feat of skill.) Narky Blert (talk) 16:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Interesting, thanks. I am a keen board gamer and have played backgammon occasionally but not come across that piece of history. Certes (talk) 18:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@Certes: I'm a crap backgammon player, but I could see the back game possibilities. "By the Gods, luck is not with me today! You have five stones off and I have but none! Shall we double the stakes, because that might make luck turn in my favour?"
The tetrahedral dice are unusual outside D&D. Narky Blert (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I think I'll institute a Surname Page of the Day award. The first winner is Cappelletti. How on earth do we fix that without offending anyone? Certes (talk) 13:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Certes: I'd redlink the pasta as Cappelletti (pasta) with a bluelink on the same line to List of pasta (which helpfully linked to the surname page...), delete the descriptive guff and excess links per MOS:DABENTRY, delete the pic per MOS:DABICON and the citation per WP:DABREF. The mercenaries can stay, they're mentioned in Stratioti (which too linked to the surname page). Finally, I'd recategorise as {{dab|surname}}; Even one non-surname entry poisons a surname page; and here there are three, including the bridge convention which is always called just "Capelletti" (and which I wouldn't play if you paid me; I've found it extremely desirable to play against). Narky Blert (talk) 14:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Done; thanks. All links were for the pasta. Should we redirect the redlink to List of pasta which has minimal information? Certes (talk) 14:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@Certes: I wouldn't redirect, but leave it red so as to encourage article creation. I added an {{ill}} link to List of pasta; there are articles in 7 non-English WPs. Narky Blert (talk) 14:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations openEdit

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Tropical Storm Gardo (disambiguation)Edit

 

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Now a clear WP:G14. Narky Blert (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Tropical cyclones in 2006 (disambiguation)Edit

 

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@Shhhnotsoloud: Are you sure? Tropical cyclones in 2006 is a DAB page, which may or may not someday be turned into a WP:BCA. For so long as it is not, this redirect is required per WP:INTDAB. Narky Blert (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commencedEdit

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Please ReviewEdit

Please Review and Accept the Article: Draft:R Nait Sapna RJ 07 (talk) 10:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sapna RJ 07: I don't review articles for creation. You need to go through the WP:AFC process. Narky Blert (talk) 10:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

You are invited to WikiProject Google!Edit

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