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Question on adding key to categoryEdit

Hi! I see some changes you're making to categories such as [[Category:Historically segregated African-American schools in the United States|Alabama]] by adding the state as a key. What does that do? It's probably something I should include when I'm building these articles....Thanks! Jacona (talk) 13:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Jacona It adds that to the method of sorting the category. If you take a look at the category, they are not first grouped by the state, and then by the name of the article. It might actually be better to make subcats for at least the states with the most schools, but I'm just going for consistency with what was already there.Naraht (talk) 13:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll try to remember to add the key when I use the category. There are so many articles, they certainly need to be organized in some way. Looking at the category, it's a little unclear to the reader how they are grouped. Should we maybe put some verbage on the category page explaining it? Jacona (talk) 13:54, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Jacona That would probably be best in the short run.Naraht (talk) 14:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Unblock should be for a year?Edit

This blocked user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Naraht (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))

Request reason:

Caught by an open proxy block but this host or IP is not an open proxy. My IP address is This is my machine from work and I've used it to edit wikipedia for more than 7 years.Naraht (talk) 15:04, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Procedural decline only; that IP is directly blocked for a month for disruptive editing; evidently someone else at your work got it blocked. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
331dot, Yamla IP block is for a year. Message on attempting to edit is "This block has been set to expire: 16:28, February 13, 2020." and the message in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlockList?wpTarget= says that it has 360+ days to go. So it isn't for a month. Yamla, may I ask what prompted a year long block?Naraht (talk) 15:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
It's essentially blocked indefinitely. It's an open proxy, it's scansafe. You'll need to disable your use of this proxy if you wish to edit here; Wikipedia doesn't generally allow open proxies. Note that you are definitely an editor in good standing and the block is not aimed at you, it's just that you are using proxies to edit. If you have a compelling need, you may wish to avail yourself of WP:IPBE.
Thank You, I will submit that.Naraht (talk) 19:45, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

This blocked user is asking that his block be reviewed on the Unblock Ticket Request System:

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UTRS appeal #23990 was submitted on Feb 18, 2019 23:06:17. This review is now closed.

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The Signpost: 28 February 2019Edit

NPR Newsletter No.17Edit

Hello Naraht,

Discussions of interest
  • Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
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A sockpuppet?Edit

Hey, I know you watch the GLO pages and have an eye for interesting activity – would you mind looking at some of the contribs of the redlinked users editing the Alpha Phi page recently and tell me if anything looks sockpuppety to you? I'm trying to avoid tagging them in case I'm wrong, but there's a lot of overlaps – repeatedly inserting the word "exposé" in Alpha Phi and edits to ice cream brand-related pages, Winsor School, and random women's biographies. They're obviously experienced editors under new accounts and have similar edit comment usage (almost none) as well. Should I open a SPI? Thanks, originalmesshow u doin that busta rhyme? 03:14, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Originalmess can't hurt to open an SPI. I'm watching the Alpha Phi changes. I'll try to check other edits of those editors as well.Naraht (talk) 15:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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Mr. Jahić - moviesEdit

Yes, he is actor in this movies, but he have problem with IMDb. All movies are delete. He say that he was try to do it.

In this link you can see the movies on IMDb: https://www.instagram.com/p/Btvg37KBSc0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1d2dv2yhixu1d


NPR Newsletter No.18Edit

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WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

  • Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
  • Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.
Reliable Sources for NPP

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Gamma Kappa Phi List of PoliticiansEdit

14:13, 20 May 2019‎ →‎Politics: None of these have information that they are members of Gamma Kappa Phi Hi Naraht, hopefully you could bring back the list. This list of Politician were members of Gamma Kappa Phi and was provided by members who gathered from the result of Philippine 2019 Midterm election information. Regarding information through citation on each of their membership, it would be impossible for us to provide this unless we would send acknowledgement through documents or other source of proof. Although I would allow you to join the Gamma Kappa Facebook Group to find this information that they are members based on their postings. Please contact us through email at info@gammakappaphi.com, and you are welcome in joining us in the quorum to provide you more information regarding this matter. Regards, AAJIM

AajimThe article on Gamma Kappa Phi is held to the same standards as the articles about other greek letter organizations. For example, for List of Alpha Phi Omega members, the fact that Jejomar Binay, Nikki Cabardo and Josue Bellosilo are listed is referenced to an article in the August 8, 2001 Philippine Daily Inquirer ( https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_lQ1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=bSUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1122,31646421 ) . Please read the Wikipedia article on Reliable Sources WP:RS , and I'd be happy to try to help find places where this information is published. Note, it does *not* have to be computer accessible, just published (and preferably by a reliable source).
As an additional comment, while there is a place for discussion of the Gamma Kappa Phi Seal and its evolution, that place is probably not Wikipedia. That section of the article is completely unreferenced and as such it would be quite reasonable to remove it. (which frankly is an issue with the majority of the rest of the article as well.
As a note, I proudly state that I am a brother of Alpha Phi Omega (United States). While I have worked significantly with the pages of many greek letter organizations in my decade at Wikipedia. If you feel this represents a Conflict of Interest on my part, I will be happy to work with you to locate someone who has no relationship with any Greek Letter Organization which exists in the Philippines. Sincerely Naraht (talk) 13:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Naraht, Thanks for your comments. Although I still suggest to revert the list that have deleted since some were already posted for many years when I created this page. Glad to know that you have worked on pages for decade in Wikipedia and we have almost the same period since, although not much in editing, but as contributor of some pages. It's great to know that you are also a member of Alpha Phi Omega which I supposed to join before, but instead I decided to turn to Gamma Kappa Phi. Thus, I became a pioneer member and led as organizer of school chapters. Therefore, I agreed with you that there is a conflict of interest in your part and would be a good suggestion to locate someone who has no relationship with any Greek Letter Organization, and would be feel their fair representation in editing my page. Sincerely and regards. AAJIM

Aajim After looking at Third Opinion, it indicatest that discussion needs to occur at the article web page first (I will post there), entries in the article *need* WP:Reliable Sources. Also, in terms of the phrase "my page", *PLEASE* read Wikipedia:Ownership of content.Naraht (talk) 10:20, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Palestinian Animal LeagueEdit

Thanks for your advice re. Pakistan's Animal Welfare Society. I think I just basically need to significantly reduce the amount of content on my article to just include those from 3rd party reliable sources. It will be a lot shorter, oh well. Innovative Username (talk) 17:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Innovative Username A list of locations, for example, doesn't have to referenced to 3rd party sources, but does need to be referenced somewhere.Naraht (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

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Page mover grantedEdit

Hello, Naraht. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! — xaosflux Talk 14:44, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


Hi Naraht, as you have a very long active tenure, I'm fine with adding this flag to your account in trust you will use it appropriately. Your use-case (Moving Articles to Drafts) may be somewhat controversial (especially if you do it in large volumes) so please proceed with care and be mindful of any negative feedback. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 14:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Xaosflux I've got a specific area of focus in mind, Fraternities and Sororities in the Philippines. I want to go through one at a time looking for refs and if not, moving to draft. If I've done more than 30 outside of this area within a year, I'll be surprised. And I have some documentation on the ability to read first.Naraht (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 May 2019Edit

Sigma Delta RhoEdit

In case you want to review it, I just moved another local and created a new page for Sigma Delta Rho.Jax MN (talk) 06:45, 17 June 2019 (UTC) Jax MN. Have added some links,Naraht (talk) 08:21, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

New category?Edit

I note that you have experience with category creation. I thought it might be a good addition to add one for "Defunct College Fraternities". --There will probably be a few redirects that should also link to the page, using the words "defunct" and "Sorority". I plan to add a number of the dormant groups from Bairds; this would be a good way to list them.

Care to add it? Jax MN (talk) 17:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Jax MN What's wrong with Category:Defunct fraternities and sororities?Naraht (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Hadn't seen it. Perhaps a redirect may be helpful? It seems obvious now but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough. Thinking about the casual reader... Jax MN (talk) 18:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Jax MN Redirects generally aren't used for categories. When a category is moved for example, a bot will move all of the article into the new category and delete the old.Naraht (talk) 02:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019Edit

Hello Naraht,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.


Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.


The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.

Move to draft

NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations.

Notifying users

Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging.


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The June 2019 Signpost is out!Edit

Your draft article, Draft:Alpha Chi Pi OmegaEdit


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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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College basketball and football articlesEdit

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Speedy deletion nomination of Delta Alpha Pi (honor society)Edit


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A tag has been placed on Delta Alpha Pi (honor society) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://deltaalphapihonorsociety.org/about-us/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:54, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Awards and barnstarsEdit

Naraht, I note on your user page that you maintain a tally of your edits and various points of progress toward achievement levels on Wikipedia. Would you explain how I ought to include such things on my own page, and what is fair to do so without self-congratulations? Are these barnstars and awards automated when one gains a certain number of new page creations, or edits?

I edit in spurts, as business and outside interests allow. I know that others do more editing than I do, but I'd nevertheless like to progress toward these levels, if I qualify. Jax MN (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2019 (UTC) Jax MN The edits, sure. It templates just include the number of edits (which you can get from a link at the bottom of the contributions page) and the date you started editing. They are not automated. And the Barnstars were given to me by other people, and were moved to the userpage so they don't get archived.Naraht (talk) 19:17, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 July 2019Edit


Ouch! I fixed it for you but you might want to check your search term or whatever can refine it a bit. Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered agreed ouch. Thank You. I'm looking back though the edits now. I thought I had it set to only change inside the template.Naraht (talk) 23:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
You're v v welcome! Good luck and have fun, cheers. DBaK (talk) 23:30, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 August 2019Edit

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019Edit

Hello Naraht,


Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.


A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.

This month's refresher course

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

Deletion tags

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Smallest Grid... Reference Desk/MathEdit

You may want to clarify for SinisterLefty that: Homework? Naraht? Really? :) hydnjo (talk) 15:04, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 September 2019Edit

2019 US Banknote ContestEdit

  US Banknote Contest  
November-December 2019

There are an estimated 30,000 different varieties of United States banknotes, yet only a fraction of these are represented on Wikimedia Commons in the form of 2D scans. Additionally, Colonial America, the Confederate States, the Republic of Texas, multiple states and territories, communities, and private companies have issued banknotes that are in the public domain today but are absent from Commons.

In the months of November and December, WikiProject Numismatics will be running a cross-wiki upload-a-thon, the 2019 US Banknote Contest. The goal of the contest is to increase the number of US banknote images available to content creators on all Wikimedia projects. Participants will claim points for uploading and importing 2D scans of US banknotes, and at the end of the contest all will receive awards. Whether you want to claim the Gold Wiki or you just want to have fun, all are invited to participate.

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The Signpost: 31 October 2019Edit

New Page Review newsletter November 2019Edit

Hello Naraht,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 713 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.


Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

  • It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
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Category:Specialized encyclopediasEdit

Do you think this shouldnt be a container category? Rathfelder (talk) 23:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC) Rathfelder See posting to your talk page.Naraht (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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You can’t just take the deletion tag off, unless you want a prop for speedy deletion Carwile2 *Shoot me a message* 20:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

@Carwile2: Actually, yes he can. Removing a proposed deletion tag is an act of contesting the deletion. You're free to nominate the article for deletion via the WP:Articles for deletion process, where the community will discuss the article, if you still think it should be deleted. —C.Fred (talk) 20:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Carwile2, C.Fred. If there is an AFD, I'll work with that. I know none of these sources are the NYT, but my guess is that a true AFD would work around whether or not school newspapers (and sites) could as secondary sources and whether or not fraternities and sororities count as independent to it or not.Naraht (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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User-duck Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser. It is software you install on your computer. I'm willing to do it if you specify exactly what you want...Naraht (talk) 21:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I have done over 10,000 edits (many fixing errors generated using tools). I want to learn about the tools and use them to correct some of them. I am surprised that Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser did not show up on a search. User-duck (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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Robert H. DavidsonEdit

Good afternoon. I am following the bread crumb trail to the source of the photographs used on Robert H. Davidson's page, for use in a history of his battalion during the war, and I would welcome any assistance you might be able to give.

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Tansideout Not sure why you picked me. I presume this is about Robert Harold Davidson and I did make the last edit there, but that was simple capitalization. As for the photos on that page, both of them were uploaded by the same person.
The reference in the text to each indicates USMC photo, personal papers (refs 9 and 21). Moving to the actual photo entries in commons, those appear to be the only images that still exist that Dpatenge uploaded and they were uploaded in 2010. (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dpatenge) But his talk page (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dpatenge) seems to indicate that he uploaded 3 more which have been deleted due to lack of infomraiton on the copyright.
He did upload other images to en.wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dpatenge and worked extensively on that and related pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dpatenge . However the last edit in those is in 2011. I'm not sure where else to go from here. Hopefully some of this is useful.Naraht (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Alpha Delta Theta (social)Edit

Their Tau chapter was at Minnesota. 1931-34. It died five years before the merger with Phi Mu. Jax MN (talk) 18:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I did a little work, adding an info box, pin (the Infobox template doesn't allow me to name it as a pin, only a crest), and I added the color swatches. Would you mind taking a look at the References section? I added a template at the bottom to show the standard reference syntax, but you have a couple of other notes there, and the styles of that section don't match. --However you want to do it. Thanks! Jax MN (talk) 18:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Jax MN Pin should be moved down in the article if we can find the actual crest. In terms of colors, they may have changed during the years. See the contradiction at https://www.google.com/search?q=%22alpha+delta+theta%22+turquoise . The Baird's one can probably be dropped in favor of specifics. The Lamb and Butterfield can be made into standard references if we clean them up (and use template:rp)Naraht (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with you about the crests, whenever we can find them. I didn't see the conflict on the Google search link you sent - it appeared as if this was either a Christian service sorority of that name, or the medical fraternity, some other group with similar letters. But I did refine the search, and found this image via Pinterest: Alpha Delta Theta pin, via pinterest, accessed 30 May 2020. I could replace my scan... Jax MN (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Wonder if Baird's has the crest. Sorry, I clipped too much. See https://www.google.com/search?q=%22alpha+delta+theta%22+turquoise&sxsrf=ALeKk00UhuDweoi3EOixCK9sli7ecNPetg:1590870451141&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjgr_6gttzpAhXChHIEHUMVCA0Q_AUoAXoECA8QCQ&biw=1372&bih=762 among the search on books.google.com. I don't know what the rules are on photographs of things which are no longer under copyright, I think that they are still problematic.Naraht (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I went to that URL again, tried to adjust it even, and only got a set of search outcomes that include some black and white books with Delta Gamma magazines. As to your second point, I tend to use the workaround that a single JPB, low-res from the original, is allowed as an identifier of an organization. --Even if after 1925 or whatever the current copyright cutoff is. Jax MN (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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The BoulèsEdit

Hello, Naraht...

I noticed that you reverted a number of my edits. In the edit summary, you said that my inclusion of the Boulès - and I would imagine all of the other upperclass Black American Greek organizations - in the category for Black elite was inappropriate due to the fact that they were groups and their inclusion wasn't referenced. I must admit that I'm confused by this.

One of the cited references for the page on the Boulès - and I would imagine the ones for a number of other Black Greeks as well - is Our Kind Of People. I've recently read that book, and in it it is explicitly stated that the Boulès are a cornerstone of the African-American upperclass. What other reference is required? Besides, I wasn't even aware that categories needed to be referenced to begin with.

As to including groups, I contend that that is in order as well. The Boulès and the top college frats are essentially the Black equivalent of Skull and Bones. If you were talking about the wider American upperclass, you couldn't avoid mentioning that society... Any more than you could the Bullingdon Club in Britain. Leaving them out of a category on Black elites is a glaring omission.

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O.ominirabluejack Thank you for writing back. A few points, which I hope will help point out why I deleted the category. While I am not a member of an NPHC Fraternity or Sorority (and White), I have become somewhat familiar with the culture as a representative to a Service Fraternity at Howard University and other research in regards to working on Greek Letter Organizations on Wikipedia for over a decade.
  1. Only some of the NPHC Fraternities and Sororities are included. Including APhiA and AKA (for example) and not Iota Phi Theta and Sigma Gamma Rho would require a significant reference in that regard.
  2. For the Greek Letter Organizations that I checked that were included, the word Elite was nowhere in the article *other* than in the Category name. And "Our Kind of People" is not referenced at all in the Alpha Phi Alpha article (I just checked).
  3. So the question is whether the Reference on page 14 of Our Kind of People is good enough. If it is, it needs to be referenced and attached to text in each of the respective articles and then the category can be restored, I guess.Naraht (talk) 22:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Naraht...

Firstly, I need to express my appreciation for you acknowledging your level of familiarity where the Black Greeks are concerned (in truth, it probably trumps mine... All I've got is a father who's a Howard alum and who MAY have belonged to one of the frats while there).

We all want for these pages to be as truthful as possible. As a result, I will hold off on adding the reference and restoring the category links since you still have reservations. If I manage to allay them, I will then proceed.

Be well in the meantime,

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List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology fraternities, sororities, and ILGsEdit

I'm about ready to replace the old mainspace article with an entirely new one, which corrects many of the omissions and failings of the previous. In the discussion for deletion there has been surprisingly little comment... Any tips? I thought I should also delete several of the duplicate sections on the Talk page, where I was (probably incorrectly) using it as a sort of sandbox. On my own sandbox I've worked up a new intro section and have cleaned up the list portion further. I found some terrific graphics to port over. But I wonder what I should do about the duplicate sections on the Talk page now... Also, Naraht, I'd ask if you would determine if some of the warnings at the top ought now be removed, as they have been addressed. As a matter of form, WP wants these to be removed by a disinterested party.

Finally, after doing all this work I don't want EoRdE6 to delete the page. He/she has not addressed the substantive issues I raised, and just continues to pick away, in what appears to be an unnecessary and Quixotic quest to rid the world of this single article. I don't see what motivates him.

Link: Talk:List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology fraternities, sororities, and ILGs
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Jax MN following closely.Naraht (talk) 04:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Are you familiar with the Wikiproject Fraternities and Sororities group? Is there a place to ask them to weigh in on the AfD? Not much traffic, not many voting either way. I also see that the Dartmouth page is listed as a "A" grade example. I'm not convinced. I like the Cornell style better. Jax MN (talk) 05:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Found this.Edit

Do I have this right? I read the letters on this pin as Shin Bet Aleph... But the descriptor on the item for sale says it is a Phi Omega Pi pin (or earlier, for Achoth?). I think that is incorrect, or the pin description on the Phi Omega Pi page is incomplete. Vintage Sorority pin for sale. Is this an image we can use anywhere? Jax MN (talk) 01:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Jax MN Phi Omega Pi is the only organization that I know of with that sort of irregular pentagon in its batch, see https://www.ebay.com/itm/14K-Gold-with-pearls-and-sapphire-Phi-Omega-Pi-Sorority-Pin-Merged-with-Delta-/262712071277 for example. So the idea of this being an Achoth pin is quite reasonable. Given the fact that *that* pin went left center down, my *guess* is that the Hebrew went to the reverse of that , so either Nun or possibly Kaf in the upper right, Sin/Shin below and Aleph in the Upper left. The Upper right is *very* unlikely to be a Bet, Bet *always* has a tail at the lower right, only Nun and Kaf are equal top and bottom, Nun is narrower. So Yes, I believe it, but I don't feel we've got enough proof. :(Naraht (talk) 01:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Certainly was hebrew before 1921, so I'm feeling even better about it. https://books.google.com/books?id=1R7PAAAAMAAJ&q=achoth+pentagon&dq=achoth+pentagon&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixh-j-mrXrAhW6oXIEHSHIBZkQ6AEwAHoECAEQAg Naraht (talk) 01:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
BINGO! Should have *started* with Baird's... https://books.google.com/books?id=j1rOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA450

Originally, the fraternity, in accordance with the Masonic traditions, was called Achoth, a Hebrew name meaning sister, and the pin bore the Hebrew characters Shin, Nun, Aleph, the initial letters of the organization's motto, but in 1920 the letters were changed to Greek, and in October of 1922, the name was changed to correspond with the letters on the pin. The chapters formerly were named in the order of the Hebrew alphabet, but with the change of name, they automatically took the Greek alphabet.

Looks like a good chunk of the 1923 Baird's entry should be added.
I don't mind grabbing the graphic and adding it to WP. We normally use crests, but this is useful as a secondary type of identifier. Thoughts? Jax MN (talk) 01:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
I'd grab both the old one with the hebrew and the new one with the greek. Not like this article is going to be viewed as too long. :)Naraht (talk) 01:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
I added the text from Baird's 10th and the JPG of the old Achoth pin. However, I didn't readily see the one with the Greek letters. Didn't look too hard. Jax MN (talk) 04:57, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Jax MN https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/phi-omega-pi-now-delta-zeta-14k-seed-1802471360 is probably the best I can find.Naraht (talk) 11:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Beta Phi AlphaEdit

Question about some of the closing categories you've added. I just did a format review of Beta Phi Alpha, adding an infobox, correcting formatting, adding references and a badge JPG. At the bottom of the article, you previously had added the category for 1919 establishments in California and Student organizations established in 1919. The predecessor to Beta Phi Alpha had originally formed in 1909. Ought we use that year? Baird's gives them that start year, instead of the year of incorporation under the new name. Jax MN (talk) 16:05, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Jax MN, That can get tricky. When was it incorporated?Naraht (talk) 12:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Naraht, I cannot tell from the references. I just clarified in the article that Beta Phi Alpha continued to view 8 May, 1909 as its founders day, even while moving slowly to embrace national ambitions. Incorporation probably came with the reforms during 1919, but of course, the previous decade they may have needed a legal structure to sign housing leases. May require a check of government records. Jax MN (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

New articleEdit

This was a fun project to research: Sigma Phi Sigma. Any missing categories, or cleanup you can see? Jax MN (talk) 05:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Jax MN First two things...
  1. Ref 14 is unclear. Is it referring to an article in another ref?
  2. 1927 Baird's has more information, will add it.Naraht (talk) 12:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I cleaned up Ref #14. Jax MN (talk) 15:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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I don't understand...Edit

Good morning. I noted that you removed the [[Category:Defunct fraternities and sororities]] category from List_of_Jewish_fraternities_and_sororities. I don't understand this change. That page lists many organizations that have either merged or gone dormant. While yes, some on that page are still thriving, others fit the category perfectly. So isn't pointing to the page with the 'defunct' category reasonable? I think it is an effective grouping for research. Jax MN (talk) 15:13, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Jax MN Some but not certainly not all (not even sure a majority). Feel free to make redirects from the entries that are inactive and put them in the category.Naraht (talk) 22:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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Alpha EpsilonEdit

Thanks for the additional dates. A couple of items - would you check the reference link you added at Alpha Epsilon? It didn't work when I tried to pull it up. Also, I wonder if it shows an Alpha Beta chapter and a Beta Beta chapter. Both of these would seem to fit the progression, but weren't listed among active chapters.

Also, would you look at Delta Pi's discussion for deletion and vote to Keep, if you feel so inclined? Someone included it as an AfD, which I don't think is warranted. I explain on its Talk page. Jax MN (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


I noticed that Baird's 1920 has a Northwestern University chapter of Achoth / Phi Omega Pi listed as its He chapter, forming in 1913 and marked as closing in 1914. It may have later been re-established. But I do not know where this fits in regarding the Washington chapter, or in chapter order. Do you have a better sense of this?

Is the Hebrew He the same as Hay? Jax MN (talk) 16:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Jax MN I found something like 4 different sources with different orders and different entries for that group of chapters, including some that disagreed on what the schools actually are. I think I included them all as references.
Yes, the Hebrew letter He is the same as Hay. The spelling of the Hebrew letters by Achoth/OES/Masons isn't current standard, but not really a problem. It looks like a consistent transliteration, so I'm just fine with leaving it.Naraht (talk) 18:07, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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Kappa Alpha OrderEdit

I just ran across an AfD discussion you participated in, regarding the list of chapters of Kappa Alpha Order. I know you voted to keep it. It appears to be the only fraternity left among the NIC and NPC groups that doesn't have its own chapter list page. What is the story here? Why did they delete it? It's such a waste of time to have to rebuild it. You didn't grab a copy of the page before it was lost, did you? Jax MN (talk) 19:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Jax MN Grabbed at https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_Kappa_Alpha_Order_chapters Not even close to the only NIC group without a chapter page, none of the seven newest members have them (I just picked a group less likely), but given that Tau Phi Sigma only has 7 chapters (at least that's what the table says). Basically, the issue was that the page consisted *only* of chapter name and location split into active and inactive. Frankly, if we can add the year and table-ize it, that's probably enough to justify restoring.Naraht (talk) 19:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Good afternoon - Regarding the List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines, there's been some activity by someone attempting to add a group called Alpha Phi Chi, which had previously been rejected. It doesn't have an article, thus is assumed not NOTIBLE, but they persist. It's on the page now, and incidentally, out of alphabetical order. The editor is either anonymous or no longer has a valid account. They'd tried several variations of the name, in article link form, clearly not understanding how name links work. But that may simply mean they are a newbie editor.

It brings up a question, though. On this list, is there an overriding reason not to allow red link articles as a tracker? It appears that this group exists, but that it simply does not have a WP article. I personally don't mind listing groups with good potential for articles, as a tracker. On the list pages like this... Jax MN (talk) 17:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Interestingly, I just found this: Draft:Alpha Phi Chi Jax MN (talk) 17:43, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
OK, a few things. First, I'm fine with dropping the non-collegiate ones (or moving to a new section). There are also well organized High School Fraternities (and possibly sororities) in the Philippines. Secondly, Please take a look at the way that it was in mid-2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_fraternities_and_sororities_in_the_Philippines&oldid=856893079), user Drmies wanted it pared down to only those with articles. I'm actually planning to write Alpha Phi Beta. There are *many* GLOs in the Philippines that I seriously doubt could pass Notability, and the lack of school newspapers and such actually makes things worse. I've seen attempted additions to the list of organizations less than a year old with one chapter. It is *worse* than the addition of the Military Professionals to the list of Professional fraternities page. I do count myself as having a *slight* NNPOV, as a brother of Alpha Phi Omega, I want to see that one stay, but frankly any list of Fraternities in the Philippines with more than 10 items would include APO-Philippines.Naraht (talk) 22:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
That older list of Philippine fraternities was far larger than I would have assumed it would be. Were I to vote, I would prefer to list them all, with red links and notes if they are dormant, to spur some of the groups to write articles and find reliable sources. I also support the inclusion of ΑΦΩ- it makes sense to add the venerable service fraternity as well as law, engineering and medical fraternities. Casual readers would prefer to have all these listed in one place, even the locals, indicated as such. This is what I am trying to do on the Fraternities and Sororities Watchlist, now up to 935 groups. --Inclusion will help us reduce DAB issues and sift for edit improvements.
I figure there are three "categories", the ones with articles, the ones that have *any* secondary sources indicating that they exist and those that don't. There are *no* national councils, *no* equivalent to Baird's and many GLOs that are "community based" which means you won't even find any school listings for them. There is a difference between needing info and no proof of existence outside facebook, which many of the groups fell into. I've tried tracking down some of the groups, the effort isn't pretty. The only other real possibility of proof is whether they are registered with Securities and Exchange Commission (Philippines) which also includes the "company register" (the last column). If you want to change what's there, let's bring in DRMIES.Naraht (talk) 23:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Another issue is brewing for me, and I wondered your thoughts. The Divine 9, the most prominent NPHC fraternities and sororities, are by no means the only historically Black groups. The list of these others winds on, and pretty quickly gets to groups like Iota Chi Kappa, (article now deleted as advertising), which is clearly just a vehicle for a Ms. Eboni Truss to sell books, real estate services and speaking fees. Her use of a Greek letter name and tight control as its lone founder seems an offshoot of far too much focus on founders with elevated titles among the Black and Asian groups. Even some of the Christian groups have adopted Greek letters more for convenience I think, rather than any serious interest in promoting Greek Life. Yet I'm inclined to include many of these, the Black, Asian, and Christian groups - even when non-collegiate as was your complaint about some of the "military professional" groups. It's too bad that so much bloat is allowed with the NPHC groups, whose WP articles can run five or ten times longer than other societies. What I've settled on is that it is better to list them, noting that they are non-collegiate, in order to keep track of them. The same issue came up for me a decade ago, wrestling with a list of Masonic grand lodges; the list of these on Wikipedia notes them by conference, so those that are merely profit-makers (ill-formed and illegitimate to most Masons) stand out negatively in comparison... THIS is why I favor keeping the red link articles. Any thoughts on the matter? Jax MN (talk) 22:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Keep track of them on a page on a project or a talk page, that's fine. Having many of these groups in Wikipedia lists with no references outside their own websites and facebook, *nope*. I don't consider myself a deletionist, but when it gets to the point where I'm doing the research as to whether or not a group should be in a listing page, *nope*.Naraht (talk) 23:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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Capitalization discussionEdit

You may be interested in this Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities#Capitalization_question Jax MN (talk) 15:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 December 2020Edit

Great new referenceEdit

Naraht, I'd been in contact with Fran Becque, the national Historian from Pi Beta Phi and blogger. I believe you have also corresponded with her. After the 1991 editor of Baird's 20th died, his files went to a Delta Upsilon alum, Mr. Carroll Lurding, who has been laboriously sifting through collegiate yearbooks and other sources to collect updates to the file. I asked about a new version; Fran said that the 20th barely broke even, and an update would be a difficult sell: it would probably have to be in two volumes, with even smaller text. The two of them tried to give it to the NIC to manage, but Fran told me that group never really responded positively, and is too busy putting out fires. Helping Carroll, she was able to place the archive at the Student Life and Culture Archives at Illinois. I've been using it recently. It's extensive. It has a part time curator, and probably several other volunteers in addition to the work that Fran and Carroll do. I've sent Fran a couple pages of updates for it, and have alerted her to the work you and I and others are doing on the F&S Project. She remembered your communication.

Anyway, if you can use it, here's the main link to the archive... Baird's Manual Archive, at the University of Illinois Archives

I see you are working through a annoying proxy block. Best wishes with this. I will respond shortly on the matter of the Delta Beta Phi AfD request, on that page. I've been terribly busy with outside issues. Jax MN (talk) 04:03, 15 January 2021 (UTC)