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Problem with Template:Non-free use rationale album cover

Text entered in the "Replaceability" field is displayed twice. It may be due to edits you made to the template code on 6 October 2011, although there is a more recent benign-looking edit by Redrose64 on 5 July 2012, where two periods were added. Today is only the second time in the past 12 months that I've worked with this template, so I'm not sure when the problem first appeared. I noticed it shortly after adding the template to File:Thepresentbythemoodywhatever.gif. After carefully reviewing my edit to verify that I hadn't double-pasted the text block, I have come to the conclusion that the problem is caused by the template. — QuicksilverT @ 16:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's only displayed twice because there is a second copy. The |Replaceability= parameter is supplementary to the default text, so there is no need to re-enter it when it's exactly the same as the default text. See File:Revolver.jpg for an example which displays the default text alone. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I removed the text from the field and now it shows only one copy. Perhaps a better explanation in the template documentation would be in order. I re-read the documentation and it's still not clear to me that the Replaceability field always injects its own boilerplate, whether or not one enters something there. The way the documentation is currently written, it implies that text put into the field replaces the boilerplate instead of supplementing it. What if the boilerplate is completely wrong? Putting one's own entry into the field doesn't make the boilerplate go away. — QuicksilverT @ 20:07, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Question about your talk page

Hello, is it okay if I copy the script at the top of your talk page for my own? I think it looks awesome. Lenny Kaufman talk 15:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I copied it from User:SoWhy! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Census metropolitan areas in Canada by size

Hello old timer - was wondering if you could look at Template:Census metropolitan areas in Canada by size as I believe there is a coding error that is causing it to be displayed outside the {{Navboxes|list = parameter ... as seen below.Moxy (talk) 06:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't {{Census metropolitan areas in Canada by size}} but the navbox above that, this I checked by changing the order - and I found that it was always the ones after {{Canada capitals}} which were misdisplayed. I found nothing wrong with that template, but there's some horrendous HTML in one of its subtemplates, to which I've applied a quick fix. This has sorted the issue you describe above. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


I know you had reviewed this user's activities, after s/he was unblocked. Are his/her recent activities regarding EL's acceptable? S/he is adding links to the Archiveshub descriptions of materials that are actually held at the V&A museum. These are just indices of what is at the museum, not a link to any useful online materials. Here are his recent edits. So it does seem pretty spammy. Please ping me on my talk page if you can comment about this. I left the same question for Daniel Case. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:24, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

B-class hook


Please can you look at and fix Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist, asap.

When B6 is set to "b6=yes" in an article talk page, it displays as Accessibility: invalid parameter in the banner rated results.

I'm wondering if it's because the line:

}}+{{#if:{{{b1|¬}}}{{{b2|¬}}}{{{b3|¬}}}{{{b4|¬}}}{{{b5|¬}}}|1|0}} > 0

is missing:


but because the damn thing is locked, I can't do jack.. needs sorting though.

Cheers, Ma®©usBritish{chat} 04:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

You had made a mistake on the code for Template:WikiProject Westerns, which I have now fixed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Well the doc wasn't very clear on removing the ***PARAMETER*** text in the case of standard (non-custom) ratings, so I just left it all as it was.. I see you've amended the code to prevent re-occurrences, which makes sense, as WikiProject setup is tricky enough. Cheers, Ma®©usBritish{chat} 10:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Just to note, I've made it to:

 | b1              = {{{B1|{{{b1|}}}}}}
 | b2              = {{{B2|{{{b2|}}}}}}
 | b3              = {{{B3|{{{b3|}}}}}}
 | b4              = {{{B4|{{{b4|}}}}}}
 | b5              = {{{B5|{{{b5|}}}}}}
 | b6              = {{{B6|{{{b6|}}}}}}

as I noticed the use of b1= etc is case-sensitive, and using B1= etc results in the yes/no rating being ignored. Might be worth making the template do this by default, as I have seen few cases of some editors using upper-case in assessments. Probably easier to catch-all than from the hook try to find and correct them all individually. The {{WPMILHIST}} banner goes so far as to catch many variations, i.e.


to avoid issues. Perhaps leaving the "custom" feature of this hook for very wild custom varieties, but making it do the same for "common" forms might be worthwhile? Will leave it to you to consider whether it would be in the best interests of the template or not. Cheers, Ma®©usBritish{chat} 10:42, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Today's article for improvement and the main page

The development for TAFI has progressed significantly over the last few weeks, and we are prepared to launch the new feature on the main page for Feb 9th at 0:00 UTC. Concensus was established that the TAFI content should be placed below the DYK content. An example page has been created to show what it would look like. I would like to invite you and several other admins who have recently edited the Main Page to swing by this discussion to help us hammer out the final logistics of integrating the content onto the main page. --NickPenguin(contribs) 18:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Template help needed

Hello MSGJ. I have noticed that you are quite good with template code and parser functions. {{NewDYKnomination}} has a problem I'd like to have your opinion on. I set up the particulars, with examples, at: {{NewDYKnomination/testcases}}. Please look at it when you have a free moment. Thank you in advance.—My76Strat • talk • email 12:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

This is probably best discussed at Template talk:NewDYKnomination#Problems. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

AllRovi movie

Hello, I set up a RfC for the {{AllRovi movie}} template as seen here. I'd like to get more attention toward the RfC. I know that you've helped edit such protected templates, so I am wondering if it would be possible to include inline TfD-esque code to point to the RfC? Something like "discussion for deprecation" instead of what TfD usually says? Erik (talk | contribs) 16:23, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I suspect the most appropriate way forward would be to relist it at TfD, which is the correct forum for discussing templates. Then an inline TfD notice could be included in transclusions. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Right, I was not sure if TfD was really appropriate. There was a previous TfD where some editors wanted to make a distinction between deleting the template and deprecating the external link, which was why I set up the RfC this time around. With that already underway, should I bother with a TfD and somehow try to combine both? Erik (talk | contribs) 16:48, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
You're basically proposing that this template be deleted. (I'm not sure how else deprecation would be achieved in this case?) So I think TfD is the best venue. I'm not saying the template couldn't be deleted on the back of an RfC but it would not be the conventional route. Note also, the D is for discussion not just deletion, so other options can be explored there as well. I suggest opening up the discussion there and copying across the two comments received so far. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

MSGJ, I closed the RfC and started the TfD. Would you be able to edit the template to add {{subst:Tfd|type=inline}}? Thanks, Erik (talk | contribs) 17:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Another admin was able to insert the code. No worries. Thanks for your input above! Erik (talk | contribs) 22:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

could u help me create notable pgs?

could u help me create notable pgs? check my contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:06, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Need help linking my account

Hey MSGJ, I've created a new email ID. I want to know how to link my wikipedia ccount with my email ID. I didn't have earlier since I was earlier not allowed to use Facebook and thus never created an email ID since I had no use for it. Thank you. KahnJohn27 (talk) 11:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

If you go to Special:Preferences and scroll down to the bottom, there is a box to type in your email address there. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:22, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I need it because I frequently tend to forget my password since it's very long and thus if I forget it they're will be no way to recover it.I can't write it down since it's personal if you understand. KahnJohn27 (talk) 11:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Your counsel sought

Hi Martin! Long time, no see! You've helped me in the past with some protected redirects and stuff. I wonder if you could briefly help again? I'm considering taking on the task of admin, and I'd like to know how you compare being an admin-editor to being an editor only? Do you find yourself getting bogged down and unable to do the types of editing you like to do on Wikipedia? Any pointers you can give me would be a great help. Thank you in advance! – PAINE ELLSWORTH C L I M A X ! 19:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Anybody home? – PAINE ELLSWORTH C L I M A X ! 15:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Martin, are you ignoring me? That's okay, because I've been ignored by the best, bud!>) – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 16:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

No, not really ignoring you, I just have very little time for Wikipedia these days, so only pop in occasionally. Thanks for stopping by, were you considering running the gauntlet? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:22, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't bog things down as you only need to do the requests that you feel happy with when you've got the time to do it. When I visit Category:Wikipedia protected edit requests, I look through the list of requests and if they are any simple requests that don't need much thought then I'll do them straight away. I'll then look through what is left and do some of the more complex ones, ask questions on others and also leave some alone that I don't feel like dealing with since some other admin will come along later on and may feel like looking at some of those that are left. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:13, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for that, WOSlinker! Others have also made me realize that it's all totally volunteer and should always remain fun. You are the captain of your ship, and all that. Thank you for your thoughts! – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 16:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes I am, or was, considering it. I've decided to wait until the dust settles. Here's what I envision... if I were an admin, I would feel compelled to do the more gnomelike tasks, just as I do as an editor-only (an "editron"?))) Maybe I could help to disengage some of the backlogs. I'm not much for needing external recognition, so rather than tackle the tasks that would get me "seen", I would want to go after the jobs that few people want to do, the ones that are necessary, but nobody will give you a medal when you're done. Most admins I've spoken with have been very instructive and helpful in many ways. They've never come off as "holier than thou" types. They seem to see themselves moreso as stewards (in the general sense), even janitor-like, rather than "more powerful than editrons". Yet you are, aren't you? Admins are more powerful; you are able to do more, much more than editrons. So you are sometimes perceived by the "unwashed masses" as far more powerful than you realize. I think that the good admins bear that power well, as if they hardly notice it. But one should never lose sight of the perceptions of those few frustrated editrons who are tired of feeling helpless. That's what all the fuss is about; I'll stay on the fence till the stars come out. – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 16:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't think you ought to feel compelled to change the way you edit Wikipedia at all. You should spend the time doing exactly what you want and no more, just like you do now. Having the extra user rights does give you more choice about the work that you help with, and there are surely many backlogs that you could tackle. I'll write more later ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Martin, you still have my attention. – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 17:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Infobox settlement Chile


I would appreciate to know your opinion in the case of merging {{Infobox settlement Chile}} to {{Infobox settlement}} as proposed in {{Infobox settlement/sandbox}}. The discussion is in Template_talk:Infobox_settlement#Infobox_settlement_Chile. Feel free to ask more information that isn't given in the discussion.

--Best regards, Keysanger (what?) 18:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Technical Barnstar
Thank you for fixing the reason= parameter in {{BLP sources}}. —rybec 02:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for this! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


Please "Undelete, subst, and delete. Rich Farmbrough, 22:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC).

Sorry, can you elaborate? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:52, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


Hello Sir! I just saw your approval at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback for a user! I think that I am also eligible for it, I have 900+ edits, so Please have a look at my data too! Regards, Faizan (talk) 16:21, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry you've been waiting so long. I'll try and take a look later. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

ITN / Boris Berezovsky R.D.


Just a heads up on a minor procedural item, normally when an item is posted to ITN, the admin adds "posted" to the bottom of the section, like this:

  • Posted --IP98 (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, --IP98 (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay fine. Why don't we add an option for this to the nomination template as well? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)


Hello, MSGJ. You have new messages at Template talk:User-multi.
Message added 17:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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Hello, MSGJ. You have new messages at Template talk:Fix.
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File:Short main text on Chrome.jpg missing description details

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Okay, opened a new section!


This also moves it out of the section with the personal attack on me, the unnecessary accusation of my being a drama king by raising an issue on a noticeboard. - (talk) 15:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Baseball color

Hi, User:MSGJ. I have a color problem at the infobox of Kim Kyung-Moon because of your edit. Fix the problem Template talk:Baseball secondary color#NC Dinos. And add some requests Template talk:Baseball primary color, Template talk:Baseball alternative secondary color, Template talk:Baseball alternative primary color, etc. Thanks. Sawol (talk) 06:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You added one color for Nexen Heroes Template talk:Baseball primary color#Edit request from Btnikk, 29 March 2010. But other three templates are not added. See the infobox of Byung-Hyun Kim. There are black letters with dark background in the infobox. There don't exist "team=Woori Heroses." Please add 4 requests above. I find out 19 articles [2] with "team=NEXEN Heroses." I have already edited them from 'NEXEN Heroes' to 'Nexen Heroes'. Sawol (talk) 10:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)


You have blocked this user for disruptive editing, and he has appealed his block. Looking at his edits it seems clear that this is not his first or only account, but I do not see any disruption. Could you enlighten me with a diff or an example? --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 11:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Commented there. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


Thanks very much for your work on the above. Originally I intended to move this to {{mention}} but on reflection I think {{replyto}} works better in most cases. Do you think it's worth having a separate template like "mention" in addition to {{replyto}} or should we stick to just the one format? WaggersTALK 19:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

@Waggers: Sorry, just seen this. I think the replyto works quite well, and there is probably no need to an additional template. Nice to meet you, by the way. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Commons template

In reference to Template_talk:Copy_to_Wikimedia_Commons#Wrong_template_for_not_moving_to_commons, I have updated the sandbox text. --Enric Naval (talk) 07:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Template talk:Copy to Wikimedia Commons#Wrong template for not moving to commons

You were part of a discussion on the above template talk page. I have some questions/thoughts. Sorry for the late discussion. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 15:40, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you please fix the wording of "If think that a local copy of this file should be kept"? Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 04:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

  Fixed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Blast from the past

While the discussion is around three years old, I happened upon this and would really strongly like to reopen the issue. Having edited Islam-related articles for years here and seen numerous discussions, debates, ANIs and related discussions, I am sure without a shadow of a doubt that there is some POV-pushing going on. MezzoMezzo (talk) 08:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I have commented on the template talk page. Let's continue the conversation there, just in case anyone else has any comment. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


I noticed a problem caused by the update to this template on May 10 which causes incorrect formatting when this template is used in a reference. It was OK before the change. Could you please bring this to the attention of the appropriate person? Thank you. --Big_iron (talk) 11:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted the change, please continue to discuss at the template talk page. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:50, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi, Thanks for fixing the text on the Jesus page. The previous version had a gray background that made it get noticed. Could I talk you into adding a gray or beige (even better) background color to that so it will be easier to notice? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 16:24, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

On the other hand, may be it works better, as is. History2007 (talk) 19:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Just let me know. I don't mind changing it to whatever colour you wish ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

University Philosophical Society

Thank you for your help with regard to this page. Could I ask you to perhaps add it to your watchlist, and maybe "keep an eye" on it for the short future? Thanks, KountKurly (talk) 16:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

user3 template

I'm looking at {{user3}} as used at, for example Wikipedia:List_of_administrators/G-O#M. When I click on the "rights" link, I get the list of rights the editor granted or removed, not the list of rights the user has. I tried so fix it but the recursive templating is a little beyond my skill level and with tens of thousands of inclusions experimentation seems unwise. You seem to have edited many of these (e.g. {{User-multi/rl}}) so I'm hoping this is something you can improve. Thanks. NE Ent 17:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

It's Template:User-multi/rl which is reached through {{sysop}}. Currently the link is [[Special:Log/rights/{{{user}}}|rights]] which does indeed show the rights granted by that user - to show the rights granted to that user it needs to be something like [//{{{user}}} rights] e.g. rights but I don't want to do that directly in case it affects other templates or pages. Recently the peer-review system was broken when one of the templates was changed to suit the GA reviewrs. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
There should be an option to show the rights that a user has. If not, this is an obvious omission. However we should not repurpose the rl option, as Redrose explains. A new option could be added if there is not one already. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:New page/doc

Hi could you remove the protection from Template:New page/doc please because I doint think it needs it anymore (talk) 17:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:New unreviewed article/doc

Hi please could you remove protection from Template:New unreviewed article/doc because I doint think it needs it anymore (talk) 19:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Why did your edits to Template:New page/doc get reverted? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

Thanks for editing in Persepolis but I want you to add the name of Ali Daei in IPL managers section and his name and picture in Technical staff section. Also in Notable managers section, remove the second link to Daei and add to first link like Denizli. Thanks. Tabarez (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you add this? Tabarez (talk) 17:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Responded there. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Your article submission SureCheck Aviation


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. j⚛e deckertalk 18:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Recruitment Centre

Hello! Now, some of you might be wondering why there is a Good article icon with a bunch of stars around (to the right). The answer? WikiProject Good articles will be launching a Recruitment Centre very soon! The centre will allow all users to be taught how to review Good article nominations by experts just like you! However, in order for the Recruitment Centre to open in the first place, we need some volunteers:
  • Recruiters: The main task of a recruiter is to teach users that have never reviewed a Good article nomination how to review one. To become a recruiter, all you have to do is meet this criteria. If we don't get at least 5-10 recruiters to start off with, the Recruitment Centre will not open. If interested, make sure you meet the criteria, read the process and add your name to the list of recruiters. (One of the great things about being a recruiter is that there is no set requirement of what must be taught and when. Instead, all the content found in the process section is a guideline of the main points that should be addressed during a recruitment can also take an entire different approach if you wish!) If you think you will not have the time to recruit any users at this time but are still interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still add your name to the list of recruiters but just fill in the "Status" parameter with "Not Available".
  • Co-Director: The current Director for the centre is me (Dom497). Another user that would be willing to help with some of the tasks would be helpful. Tasks include making sure recruiters are doing what they should be (teaching!), making sure all recruitments are archived correctly, updating pages as needed, answering any questions, and distributing the feedback form. If interested, please contact me (Dom497).
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You created {{subst:Submit}} right?

I just got some feedback with regards to said template on IRC.

[20:33] <crosscountry> At least a week. Okay. I understand that. You should change the language on your box though; it says "up to a week" which made me think maybe something had gone wrong.

Just thought i'd leave that with you to help improve the template. MM (Report findings) (Past espionage) 19:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


Obviously not an attack page. ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 23:03, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Alayna Magnan


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Thank you

Thank you for this this. As an admin can you actually close too? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I have virtually no time for Wikipedia at the moment, so I don't feel able to get involved further. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


Do you still want this? It is fully protected as "highly visible", but is actually unused. Could it be deleted? — This, that and the other (talk) 03:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't even remember what I was doing with that template! I've lifted the protection. If you want to redirect or delete it, feel free. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:31, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:AFC submission/namespace number

 Template:AFC submission/namespace number has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. mabdul 21:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Question about an edit you made to template:cite episode

Hi there. Can you please take a look at this discussion? I believe that you made an edit to {{cite episode}} that is generating an error message that is either erroneous, undocumented, or both. Or there is something I don't understand. Thanks.

And yes, I read through the long discussion that led to this change. I think that my two points are correct, however. I don't see where in the discussion the consensus was formed that |serieslink requires |number, which is also not documented in the template's documentation. Maybe I'm missing something. Jonesey95 (talk) 04:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Your article submission Submissions/Oseen Flow


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Speedy deletion nomination of Template:AFC submission/namespace number


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MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Watchlist

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Newcastle meetup

Hi Martin, please forgive the unsolicited spam. I'm hoping to establish a regular Wikipedia meetup in Newcastle, the first of which is to be held on 15 September. Since you're in Category:Wikipedians in Tyne and Wear, I hoped you might be interested. If you can make it, please do sign up on Meta, and if you can't make this one but would be interested in future Newcastle meetups, please add your name to the "apologies" section so we know there's interest. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


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Can i ask that if MSGJ is an abbreviation? If so, can say what is it? Jiawhein (talk) 08:32, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that you did not reply to some users, so do reply, thank you. Jiawhein (talk) 08:34, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Your article submission Jan Morávek


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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/BridgeClimb Sydney concern

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Nomination for deletion of Template:English variant notice

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Nomination of James Moran (supercentenarian) for deletion


A discussion is taking place as to whether the article James Moran (supercentenarian) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Oh look...

...He's already testing the boundaries of his topic ban. Who could have foreseen that? Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

"Empty" vs. "empty enough"


In Template talk:Infobox software § Edit request on 2 October 2013: "frequently updated", you asked about my comment on "empty" and "empty enough". I posted the reply here, because I didn't know whether it is correct to put it there; but please feel free to transfer it back there if you think it belongs there.

"Empty" vs. "empty enough" is a computer programming concept. Empty is a state in which requester receives nothing at all. Empty enough is a state in which the requester receives, for instance, a sentence that reads "Nothing here!" Developers should be ready to handle both appropriately.

For the purpose of our discussion, blank can be our empty state but you should expect a empty enough state in which there is nothing to be transcluded but there are <noinclude>...</noinclude> and HTML comments. I am not aware of any subroutines in MediaWiki language that can detect either state but if I am to assume worst case scenario, I'd say it is a scenario in which it is easy to detect empty state and impossible to detect empty enough. So, we are going to have edit wars in data source templates in which someone blanks the page and another one inserts a HTML comment saying "keep it blank till dispute is resolved".

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 08:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

NYU-Poly edit request

SAT Math 720 SAT Reading 650

Adding up gives 1370 (720+650).

SAT writing is 650 -- (talk) 23:03, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

you left the old fall 2012 source and did not add the source I provided, lol-- (talk) 15:07, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


You have a reply on my talk page. KudpungMobile (talk) 10:17, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Africa project - Science?

I'm a very new wiki member, under the Wiki Africa project. I see that there is no "Science" section here (, and would like to suggest that it is created. Advice welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lieslburger (talkcontribs) 12:11, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Help needed

As you suggested, could you put both dates on the Noelia page with both references until the dispute is resolved and mentioned in the article that the correct birth year is disputed? The other person is making false statements and its difficult to get to a consensus with a person who is even making false and crazy accusations with no evidence about me. Thank you for your time. Lulusi9 (talk) 16:45, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Noelia Request for Lock Extension

Hello MSGJ,

Thank you for your intervention in Noelia's page, is no consensus abut the date of Birth, I have over 100 references about 1979, and taking a statement from the Mother as a reference is not reliable source, due to the fact that the Mother is well Know for her Feud with Noelia for over a decade, Attacks, Insults all sources of Defamations between the 2 of them been going on for many years, they will say anything to hurt each other. ,

I want to request the extension of the Lock on the Page that is due Oct 17, the reason am requesting from you place a longer lock is because as son as the lock gets removed, the will vandalize the page again. The User Lulusi9 just create the account to change Information on the page, am a music writer I don't see contributions on behalf of that person, the only purpose of this person is making a case with so much insistence that is not plausible to believe that is making a contribution to WIKI but rather making a personal issue the Date Birth of [Noelia]. Thank you so much for your help and contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicexpert1970 (talkcontribs) 18:57, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Musicexpert1970 (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

AfC (2)

Hi, I'm just letting you know that your recent edit to the list of AfC reviewers has been reverted [3]. Additionally, in a recently closed central RfC, the community has agreed that RfC reviewing will be subject to a request for permission. Until the permissions system has been deployed you may wish to help by continuing to watch the page at WP:WPAFC/P to ensure that no inexperienced users add themselves to it, and that they do not abuse the AfC system in order to review their own submissions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi, when was this feature made available? This raises the possibility that we might merge {{edit protected}} with {{edit semi-protected}}, because often people don't know which to pick. Such a merge will mean that it will work out by itself which text to display, and which category to use. It could also display an error if used on the talk page of an unprotected page, since some people believe that {{edit protected}} amounts to protecting a page. We'd need to discuss with Anomie (talk · contribs), because AnomieBOT (talk · contribs) decides whether to update User:AnomieBOT/PERTable or User:AnomieBOT/SPERTable depending upon which template was used. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, AnomieBOT decides whether to update User:AnomieBOT/PERTable or User:AnomieBOT/SPERTable (or User:AnomieBOT/EDITREQTable) based on whether the talk page is in Category:Wikipedia protected edit requests or Category:Wikipedia semi-protected edit requests (or Category:Requested edits). It doesn't actually care about the templates at all. So as long as your merged solution does the following, it should be fine:
  • Puts pages in the right category, as mentioned above.
  • Uses the right id on the HTML element so the "request" links can continue to target the edit request.
  • Uses the right namespace identifier in the hidden 'urn' link.
Also, PROTECTIONLEVEL was added in r45587 back in 2009, and gained the ability to take a page title parameter in Gerrit change 44683 in January 2013. HTH. Anomie 16:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks; it was the page title parameter that I was wondering about. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Redrose, see T19970. I actually only discovered this yesterday when I went back to check on the status of that request from 2009. About the PER templates, I had that idea too, although you might want to hold fire on that because Mr. Stradivarius was talking about writing a module for these request templates. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:42, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, now that I've learned about the new feature of PROTECTIONLEVEL it's given me the motivation to code something up. I'll have another look at the code now and see how far I get. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Also, Anomie, I've been thinking about adding the possibility to request edits for multiple pages. So the template call would look something like {{edit protected|Template:Foo|Template:Bar|Template:Baz}}. This opens up the possibility of the pages to be edited being in more than one namespace, e.g. {{edit protected|Template:Foo|Module:Bar|Wikipedia:Baz}}. Is this a good idea, and if so, would I need to do anything special with the urn link to accommodate AnomieBOT? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:01, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Just output multiple urn links, one per target page. For the bot this will be indistinguishable from someone using multiple {{edit protected}} templates (one per target page), which is something that is already handled. Anomie 11:24, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Ok, got it. What should the urn link name be for the new template protection level? I'm guessing urn:x-wp-edittemplateprotected? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
If we're putting them in a different category, then that would work. If we're keeping them in Category:Wikipedia protected edit requests, they should probably keep x-wp-editprotected. Anomie 16:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Also, what's the deal with the <span/> tag inside the urn link? I've never seen one of those before. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:45, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
The span element does nothing without attributes (or some crafty CSS as I advised here); and any pair of HTML4+ tags with no content may be condensed to a single tag - <span></span><span />. Since this usually does nothing, and is valid at any point in HTML that inline content is permitted, it's safe to use as a separator between two pieces of Wikimarkup, which is what I believe that it's being used for here - to prevent the right-square-bracket immediately following from colliding with whatever goes before. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Close. It's being used so the link renders as invisibly as possible. Without it the link would show as "[1]" if the CSS fails to hide it for some reason (e.g. the mobile site stripping inline css), and using various zero-width spaces runs the risk both of being recognized as a space at some point and of showing "tofu" in browsers with poor support for unusual characters. Anomie 16:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Lock Please @ NOELIA

Hello MSGJ, Can you please put another 15 days protection Lock in NOELIA'S page,am sure they will be back to try to place the wrong DOB again, consensus was not reached, last time the User Lulusi9 got away changing many facts on the page and they lock the page after, is like trying diminishing the information at is maximum, please contribute to the page project by placing a temporary lock to protect the real information about that artist from vandals, many blessings and Thank you for your help.


(talk page stalker) MSGJ (talk · contribs) has never protected Noelia. You should either contact the last person who did so - which according to the page log was Beeblebrox (talk · contribs) - or file a request at WP:RFPP. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales

Hi, Martin, it's really good to see you and read your words again! The two redirects, Jimbo Wales and Talk:Jimbo Wales, are still fully protected. Unless you plan to reduce the level of protection on them, won't you please go back and perform the edits I suggested at Talk:Jimmy Wales#Rcat inappropriate? – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 10:21, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

It looks like there was a mix-up about which pages Martin thought you wanted to be edited. I've gone ahead and made the edits for you. Probably the easiest way of clearing up the confusion would be to list the page you want to be edited in the first positional parameter of the template, like this: {{Editprotected|Talk:Jimbo Wales|ans=no}}. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I see that now, having been corrected by Redrose64 at Talk:Jimmy Wales. Man! as long as I've used that template I've never even taken notice of that first parameter. I feel like such a dunce, sometimes. Thank you, Mr. Stradivarius, for pointing this out to me, and I'm very sorry, Martin, for my incorrect usage of the {{Editprotected}} template. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 11:07, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't read the request carefully enough! I'll take a look again shortly unless someone else has done it already. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:13, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
No, no, no, Martin, it was completely my fault! I shall use that first parameter in the future when appropriate. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 11:31, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Osmania University

Can you explain why you created this template? By using the reasoning of Timtrent, someone has to create similar templates for List of University of Washington people or List of Georgia State University people or List of University of Delaware people or List of University of Cambridge members or List of Durham University people or List of University of Nottingham people and many, many similar list.

Timtrent removed the names from List of Osmania University people again, without discussing with me. His claim that "All non cited names will be removed per WP:BLP" doesn't apply to "List of [Name of the university] people" lists and such lists don't breach WP:BPL. Timtrent doesn't have experience working with "List of [Name of the university] people" lists and he is too busy removing names, without any discussion. I'm relatively new here, so if I made any mistake, my apologies in advance. UI1990 (talk) 06:17, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi. Some time ago you removed a parameter from the Template talk:Infobox shopping mall that has since received quite a bit of support for reinstatement. Would you take a look at THIS and reply. Thanks. Mercy11 (talk) 04:44, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Topicon question

Hello Martin. Since by a streak of luck it was you who made the admin-edit I requested, perhaps I can ask you a related question. In {{top icon templates}} you'll some 40 topicons, almost all of them for userspace. Some of these add a category, like {{Administrator topicon}}, using {{Category handler}}. I had this idea, to enter Category handler into the {{Top icon}} template itself and leave only a parameter in the more specific templates. See Template:X4 and Template:X5 for a successful experiment, where I added a parameter |usercat=. But then I found that the topicon template is also much used in article mainspace, in templates like {{Featured article}}, for example. So I understood that I would have to add another parameter to topicon, like |maincat=. Do you think that this is a good idea, or better to leave things the way they are, that every template uses it's own category handling, either with Category handler or with code like {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}? Debresser (talk) 15:14, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to upgrade {{top icon}} to handle these. And using separate parameters for userspace and mainspace sounds reasonable as well, to prevent incorrect categorisation. Have fun! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I saw today that Ambox is now handled completely differently. No more code to edit? It was a beautiful code! Debresser (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

In a long undelete list

If you click one edit normally, and then another while holding the ALT key down, that will select also all the edits between.Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Brilliant! Didnt know that. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Declined AFC submissions in red date categories

This edit to Template:AFC submission/declined places declined submissions in red categories named for the decline date. For example, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adam International Review (submitted in September) is placed in the red Category:Declined AfC submissions by date/06 October 2013. None of the dated categories have been created (except Category:Declined AfC submissions by date/09 February 2013 by error). It looks odd to me, and if date categories are intended then there should be a system to create them. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Your reasoning sounds spot on. That edit was the result of a request (see [4]) and I didn't know there were other changes in there as well. Looking at the discussion it seems that Davidwr explicity advised Technical 13 that there were other changes in the sandbox, but they still made it through somehow. Anyway I have removed it now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:37, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
There wasn't a consensus to add the declined-on dates to Template:AFC submission/declined because that discussion died down without much feedback. I still think keeping such categories is a good idea and I may re-open the discussion. If there is consensus there will need to be a bot to mass-create the last 6 month's worth then create the categories each day. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


Good point. I'm obviously a bit rusty when it comes to protection. In fact, isn't that field new? Morwen (talk) 22:16, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

John Galea

Hi I believe a page should be made for John Galea . The current page has been deleted and a simpler more sourced version is something that needs to be created. Lesser known british singers have a wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dterrybeano (talkcontribs) 22:51, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

John galea page

If you have a issue with The John Galea page can you edit rather than just delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC), please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Galea. MSGJ: please see JOHN GALEA. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Sent by sock of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Johngalea24. Boleyn (talk) 06:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

template:infobox information appliance


Sorry to bother you but I made a blunder in my edit request about template:infobox information appliance

The second image code must be something like this:

| image2 = {{#invoke:InfoboxImage|InfoboxImage|image={{{image|{{{Image|{{{photo|{{{Photo|}}} }}} }}} }}}|size={{{image_size|{{{ImageWidth|}}}}}}|sizedefault=300px|alt={{{alt|}}}}}

Sorry! I'll be careful to double-check all my future requests.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 13:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I've updated the code. (And next time you foul up you can fix it yourself because you are now a template editor.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Bernhard Goetz

Thanks for catching my slip. I've now changed this to SP per a request on my talk page, hope that's ok with you. Dougweller (talk) 07:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

About the revert...

Just wanted to say thanks for catching that. I noticed what was going on with the /doc for {{Documentation}} a bit after I started making documentation transclusion edits. Apparently, I forgot to undo that edit. So, thanks again. Steel1943 (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

GAN December 2013 Backlog Drive

Hello! Just a friendly reminder that the GAN Backlog Drive has begun and will end on December 31, 2013!

If you know anyone outside of the WikiProject that may be interested, feel free to invite them to the drive!

If you have any questions or want to comment about something regarding the drive, post them here--EdwardsBot (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


Certainly a pleasant surprise that you did this. I am very grateful! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 18:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi Martin, could you also take a look at Template talk:Update#Icon update request? --Rezonansowy (talkcontribs) 00:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

What do you want me to do, exactly? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, wrong link  . Could you have your say on Template talk:Cleanup-rewrite#Icon change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rezonansowy (talkcontribs)
Hello? --Rezonansowy (talkcontribs) 11:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
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