Latin Music in Canada RevertsEdit

Hello. I must apologize in advanced as I am still becoming acquainted with the Wiki platform. I noticed you reverted some significant latin canadian acts that I had added to the article. It appears that the reason was that it lacked an article? Would you be kind enough to clarify to me. I am quite familiar with the canadian latino arts & entertainment sector as I have been following it for the past 35 years. If the reason was pertaining to the artist not having a Wikipedia article, there is 2 other acts on that list with no article; Salseros with Attitude & Ricky Franco — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderBarrio (talkcontribs) 05:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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@AlexanderBarrio: If you look at the article history, you'll see that your edit was undone by a different editor, Atlantic306. My edit, on 21 October, merely fixed a grammar error. But, yes, the usual rule for lists like that one is to avoid adding red links; there's an essay about that at Wikipedia:Write the article first. I've removed the other two red links from the list. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. Like I mentioned, I’m still new to this platform and would like to learn more and improve. Thank you 174.91.68.200 (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Regional EnglishEdit

Hi John of Reading!, I noticed you changed "amoung" to "among" on A Course of Modern Analysis I accidently reverted without an explanation and wanted to let you know that, because the author is English, the page uses British English rather than American, so some words are different. Thanks! Footlessmouse (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Footlessmouse: I am pretty sure that "amoung" is incorrect; I am in Reading, England and speak British English. "amoung" is at best an archaic spelling, according to Wiktionary. Compare this list of US and UK dictionaries that define "among" with this rather short list of dictionaries that define "amoung" - and the page at Wordnik says it gets its definition from Wiktionary. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Wow, thank you! I read it in that form in his old book (over a hundred years old) and never questioned the spelling. I appreciate you letting me know, it can be fixed, then. Sorry about that. Footlessmouse (talk) 17:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Another AWB questionEdit

In this edit, AWB added Category:1943 births (I had added a birth date template in a prior manual edit). My question is, shouldn't AWB remove Category:Date of birth missing (living people)? I think I have seen it do so on other occasions. I have also done another pass with AWB and it made no changes the second time. MB 02:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@MB: According to the GF documentation, AWB will remove Category:Date of birth missing (living people) if it finds a full date of birth in a {{Birth date and age}}. This article uses a different template {{Birth-date and age}} [note the extra hyphen], which AWB may never have been taught to decode. I'd need to download and explore the logic in the source code to answer this one properly. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
I usually use the hyphenated template because it accepts a more flexible form of input. But it accepts year, or year & month, or year, month & day. So AWB would have to parse the parameters to see if there was a full dob. That may be the reason. MB 15:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
@MB: OK, I've downloaded the source code. Yes, it doesn't handle {{Birth-date and age}}, and it added Category:1943 births by looking at the start of the article text, picking out born: ... 1943 from the first line. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
That's interesting, I always assumed it added the birth year category based on there being a template in the infobox. I guess looking in the text allows it to find a birth date when there is no infobox. So that begs the question, why does it use the {{Birth date and age}} to decide when to remove Category:Date of birth missing (living people) - why not use the birth date in the text also? MB 18:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
@MB: I guess that's because no one has got round to writing the extra code! Yes, born: 12 March 1943 and {{birth-date and age|12 March 1943}} could both be caught fairly reliably. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
It is reasonable to open a Phab ticket asking for such improvements? The documentation also says that it "Changes {{Uncategorised}} to {{Cat improve}} if categories added." But if there are no categories and no Uncategorized tag and it adds "yearxxxx births" and "living people", it neglects to add {{Cat improve}}. MB 04:31, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
@MB: Yes, both of those could be logged as enhancements on Phab. But remember that the AWB developers are volunteers like the rest of us. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:22, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
T268395 and T268396 created. MB 05:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Now a typo question involving dashes. In Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker, it suggested this change:

-Given the Boeing model numbers 717-100A, 717-146 and 717-148.
+Given the Boeing model numbers 717-100A, 717-146 and 717–148.

I've figured out that it changed the dash only on the last one because of the period. These obviously should all be the same, so I have just skipped this. I know very little regex, so need to pass this on to someone. Should I just post this on the typo page?

@MB: This is an incorrect change, I think, and you were right to skip it. The WP:AWB/T rule involved is the one named word="2–1", and it tries to identify ranges of numbers N-M and change the hyphen to an ndash (MOS:NUMRANGE). Presumably there are lots of false matches, so the rule has been coded to fire only when there's punctuation or a newline immediately afterwards. Then, someone tried to an exception for "Boeing 123-456"; if the previous word is "Boeing", the rule doesn't fire, since these are two-part model numbers, not number ranges. In your example, a human editor can see that these are Boeing model numbers, but the regular expression isn't clever enough.
This is one of the reasons I keep WP:AWB/T turned off most of the time. I am not a hyphenation expert, and in the diff window a hyphen and an endash look exactly the same to me, so I am not able to check the edit when this rule fires. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:55, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the explanation. I've learned to watch typo changes very carefully and skip if in doubt. MB 16:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Guillermo de CunEdit

 

The article Guillermo de Cun has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Not notable; see WP:NOTMEMORIAL

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Thank you, but my only input into that article was to fix a grammar error, ten years ago. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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