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Another database dump request

Two months ago, you fulfilled my request for a database dump: Can someone give me a full list of categories that have the string Ancient Greece in their titles and don't begin with that string, and then separate the list by whether it's "ancient" or "Ancient"? Thank you. I wonder — would it be possible to give me several additional dumps of this sort? I'm thinking Greek, Rome, Roman, Egypt, and Egyptian. And would it be possible for you to produce a count of all other terms preceded by non-initial A/ancient? For example, "Ancient Rhodesian, 1; ancient Sammarinese, 489". If you think this is simply too much effort for anyone, please say so; I don't want to give anyone lots of work. And if you think it's doable, but not by you right now, would you let me know so I can ask someone else. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 17:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Nyttend: See quarry:query/28035 (6 sets of results) and quarry:query/29485. — JJMC89 19:08, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Insufficient sources in One Thousand Children

I do not write here about actual material. I am concerned that you removed much material because you thought it was not sourced. In fact, it does have the sources that pertain to much of the material throughout the article, but I did not reference them over and over again. I now realize I must show more sources, even if they are repetitive.

I have now replaced much of this material, with more "sourcing." I hope this will satisfy you.

And I have removed the warning at the top of the article, about more sources needed.

I am sure all this will suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kacser (talkcontribs) 23:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Sourcing existing and actually being cited are different things. — JJMC89 23:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

General Requests for when you remove apparently unsourced material

But I have several general requests for when you do this to any article.

1) You did properly insert a warning that the article needed more references. This alerts the author. This is a useful alert for the author.

2) But then, please do not at the same time remove all the apparently offending material.

3) let the author provide the sources, without his first having to restore the text.

4) Most importantly, please actually put a detailed ALERT on the page. This helps the author enormously.

Many thanks for your noting to my requests

As I said above, I have now added many (repeated) sources.

Thank you Kacser (talk) 23:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)Kacser

It is your responsibility to provide sources, not mine to alert you to your failure to do so. I only removed some of the unsourced material, so adding a notice that there was remaining unsourced material is entirely appropriate. — JJMC89 23:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft links in template

Hi! You recently removed the draftspace links in Template:Canadian Comedy Awards. At this time, the template does not appear in any articles, so it is not creating any mainspace links to draft space. Here is the What links here for the template.
I pointed the links to draft space temporarily while working on the drafts, to help myself organize and to provide a mock-up for any other editors willing to help. I have every intention of changing them to mainspace links before publishing the articles to mainspace. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that, Reidgreg. I thought I was working through templates used in articles when I did that. Feel free to revert me. — JJMC89 04:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay, cool. I probably didn't categorize it correctly and the documentation makes it look like a mainspace nav template. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

File:BC-5 (Yellowhead).svg

Hi JJMC89. Since you were involved in the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 June 14#Non-free road signs used in list article about the OTRS ticket for these signs, perhaps you could comment at c:User talk:Jeff G.#File:BC-5 (Yellowhead).svg about the validity of the ticket. Once again, if OTRS volunteers agree that it extends to files such as this, then that's fine with me; however, there didn't seem to be some disagreement over this in the above mentioned FFD discussion as well in some other discussions. In such cases, I'm not sure how these disagreements otheramong OTRS volunteers are resolved. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC);[Post edited by Marchjuly to strikethrough double negative. Also, replaced “other” with “among”. — 22:31, 5 September 2018 (UTC)]

I stand by what I said in the FFD. It would be better to discuss it centrally, though I'm not sure if OTRSN or a DR is better. The latter will be necessary if we need to get files deleted. I will check the discussion on Commons when I have some time. — JJMC89 04:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for taking a look at this again. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi, instead of putting a speedy deletion tag on a file that has no detail rationale as you did here, you could instead edit it yourself per WP:ATD or ask me on my talk page. I don't understand why that file should be deleted because the problem is the description, not the file. Hddty. (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

That was a month ago. The rationale did not address all of the non-free content criteria. (Compare it to what is there now.) I tagged it for not having the required link to (or title of) the article it is being used in (WP:NFCC#10c). As for why deletion, see WP:NFCCE. — JJMC89 04:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Simply adding a non-free use rationale doesn't always resolve WP:NFCCP issues as explained in WP:JUSTONE. So, instead of trying to shift the burden for providing a valid non-free use rationale onto others like JJMC89, you could just add said rationale to the file's page yourself whenever you add it to an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Question on citations

Hello, regarding the page submission for Kentik I was hoping to get more clarification on why you didn’t feel like the citations were good enough to support the content re: [1][2][3] Many thanks for the additional context!Mkincaid2007 (talk) 23:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Your bot has removed the FLF logo from the Luxembourg national football team results pages. I'm just curious why it was removed here and not from Luxembourg Football Federation? Surely if something's copyrighted, it should be removed everywhere, no? --Philk84 (talk) 07:17, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Use on Luxembourg national football team results (2000–19) violated WP:NFCC#10c and WP:NFCC#8. The bot removed it for violating the former. — JJMC89 03:51, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Help with Template repair

Hi JJMC89, I wonder if you can help? I noticed the template at Template:UK National Archives ID, is not working. It prepending an https:// and the UK National Archives wont accept it. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 08:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I don't see a problem with the template. It has always used https, and the example on the documentation works for me. Would you point me to an example that doesn't work? — JJMC89 03:51, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
@JJMC89: I used this, "Archival material relating to Hendrik MIERSEMANN". UK National Archives. Retrieved 11 September 2018. for the page, [4]. I tried various ids. I assumed it was the page ref at the end of the url. But there is also document ref. When I used that ref, it comes up with Sorry, we can’t find the page you are looking for. scope_creep (talk) 09:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
@Scope creep: The template uses, but your URL has an r. — JJMC89 14:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that. The site has undergone a redesign recently, with the document reference number and index undergoing a complete rework. It needs a conversation with the archive and the template reworked. I don't know the template that well. I'm not that keen to break it. The /c url seems to have dissapeared as a global lookup with url resources for individual lookups., after sampling several pages. It now looks likes there is a separate block for each specific document set, with a separate url for that document block. Here is the Dairy Industry Federation at /details/a/A13532763 scope_creep (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
@Scope creep: I don't know anything about the site. If you are able to figure out how things have changed or are structured now, I might be able to redesign the template. — JJMC89 04:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Coolio,got a plan. I'll contact them, and get back to you, as soon as I get a reply. I was at a wake yesterday, hence dodgy text. scope_creep (talk) 07:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Bot editing rate



Hi! Just a quick note on the editing rate for the recent Tyw7 signature fixes. The bot policy asks that a rate of six edits per minute be used for non-urgent edits; I think fixing a user's AfD stats page counts as non-urgent. The actual rate was approximately 30 edits per minute. This produces some watchlist clutter, so you may want to use lower edit rates in the future. Thanks! Enterprisey (talk!) 04:32, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Indeed with the WL clutter. I'm also not sure as to why this was at all necessary. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
It was to work around a limitation of Enterprisey's AfD stats tool. I'll endeavor to press save slower in the future. — JJMC89 02:57, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Phabricator request

I would like to know why the request T184000 in phabricator was considered as closed even though it was not resolved yet(it was created by me yesterday related to the magic word SHORTDESC).Adithyak1997 (talk) 03:11, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

You opened T204136, not T184000. — JJMC89 05:21, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry.Adithyak1997 (talk) 08:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Pushing a backlog to you

You’ll see there’s a post at AN about histmerges that are in my view unneeded. (tl;dr: someone draftified them, then the original author recreated in mainspace, then someone who doesn’t know about copyright asked for a hist merge.) You tend to be the best at fixing these sort of things, so you may want to take a look at them. I’m on mobile and off for the night, but saw you were on, so thought I’d volunteer you to figure out which ones aren’t needed  . Also, RfA at some point so you can do the ones that are needed. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: The backlog is back under control. I declined most of them. — JJMC89 02:53, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Default values in Old AfD multi template

Howdy. I recently changed the default value in the Old AfD multi template, as presented at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Procedure_for_non-administrator_close_(nominator_withdrawal), from "PAGENAME" to "{{pagename}}, based on that the former plain does not work while the latter does - based on my tests. (Actually, the same is true for the date parameter). This seems to have been swept up in your round of code edits. - So, am I the only one not getting output from the purported default value? (see e.g. here [5]) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

You should use the actual page name and date, not PAGE_NAME and DATE, which are placeholders. You shouldn't use {{PAGENAME}} since the discussion link would break if the article is moved in the future. — JJMC89 05:39, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Alright. If that is meant to be a placeholder, then I'd suggest presenting it in camel case, as is done for other placeholder values on this page - "PAGE_NAME" looks very much like an actual variable value. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:29, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  Done — JJMC89 05:28, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Two Queries that may be of interest...

Your assistance in reducing these backlogs appreciated.

Most of these can probaably be resolved relatively quickly, by upgrading them to use {{information}} blocks.

Thanks in advance ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:28, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Rural localities in Adygea

Hi, remember that thing you did with the rural localities here? Is there any way you could do the same thing for Category:Rural localities in Adygea? It's another big one I don't want to have to sort manually if I can avoid it. I'd really appreciate it :) ♠PMC(talk) 08:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

  Done at User:JJMC89/Rural localities in Adygea — JJMC89 17:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
You're the fucking king. Many thanks. ♠PMC(talk) 22:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

History merging

  • How many are there likely to be in the current run of Gaelic-football-related history merge requests? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:32, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't know, Anthony. I'm just tagging them as the drafts become WP:G13 eligible. It looks like Nobberclog10 has done a bunch of copy and paste moves, so I might go through all of his page creations. — JJMC89 02:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Searchable alphabetical list

Thank you for your technical skills improvements to the Twinkle Searchable alphabetical list section, done far better than my clumsy effort.

I would explain that as a frequent Twinkle user, I sometimes have trouble finding the right tag. Being able to search with Firefox is the answer for me. I conteplate your "Why is this even here" remark, and perhaps I may find a better place for that list, perhaps in the Helps category. --Dthomsen8 (talk) 00:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Since you posted it to a talk page, it will be archived eventually. You may find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. — JJMC89 03:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Problems with Kindernet logos

Hi, could you please explain to me why it is so important to delete those logos? I've read the explanation and it said the logo must be used in conjunction with critical commentary. And I have added commentary about all of the three old logos within the text of the article.

"Its first logo reflected the childish asthetic."

"The channel then went through a rebranding during which the name was changed to Kindernet 5 (corresponding to Net 5); the logo was also changed."

"This takeover was expressed in the logo of the channel, which was promptly changed to resemble the Nickelodeon one - with the same font and many different appearnces."

I understand that the images should not be there if they do not have a purpose in the article, but they are now connected to the text and provide a visual explanation to the history of the channel and its parent companies along the years. Matan2001 (talk) 08:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi Matan2001. While you did add some content regarding the logos, none of it seems to be supported by any citations to reliable sources (just for reference, wikis are almost never considered to be a reliable source); so, there’s no way to verify if anything you added actually reflects what reliable sources said about the logo changes per WP:NFC#cite_note-4 and WP:NFC#CS. If you can add supporting citations which shows that reliable sources said the first logo had a “childish aesthetic” and that one of the changes were made “to resemble the Nickelodeon one”, etc. than there would be a much stronger justification for not only for non-free use, but also for arguing in favor of keeping such content in the article; otherwise, the content can be removed at anytime per WP:UNSOURCED, WP:NOR or WP:SYN. What you added might in fact be true, but it needs to be able to be verified. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:05, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
What could I do to keep the 2003 logo, at least? I know that what I've written is correct, and I can verify it - the font is exactly the same (Balloon (typeface)) and the iconic orange color of the Nickelodeon is featured aswell. I believe that the blue color of the logos was in order to make resemblence to the Nick Jr. logo, which features the same blue and orange combination. On top of all that, you can clearly see that the logo was designed in many different styles which directly resemble the logos of Nickelodeon in this time period ( Matan2001 (talk) 11:32, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Use of the logos does not satisfy WP:NFCC#8. There is no reliably sourced critical commentary about the logos themselves, see WP:NFC#CS. — JJMC89 00:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hi, you wrote me: "Hello, Manuelbedia. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information".

Thank you very much for the information. My professional relationship with Prof Velarde ended 10 years ago. Moreover, he is retired (76 years old). There is NO profit or interest. He asked me if I could make his page on wikipedia because he doesn't know how it works. All the information that appears is public and there is enough information to be able to contrast it. There are many wikipedia pages about scientists or academics. I have read the incompatibilities but I still don't understand what aspect is being breached and I would like to know if there is any way to resolve this situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manuelbedia (talkcontribs) 20:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

He asked me if I could make his page on wikipedia [sic]. You are editing on behalf of Velarde, which is a conflict of interest. — JJMC89 23:08, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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