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Hatnote on Pink Season (Pink Guy album)

You don't like my informal hat note? HMF, FINE. GabetheEditor (talkcont) 14:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@GabetheEditor: The hatnote is the text at the to producted by {{for}}. As for the HTML comment, I copied stuff from a previous revision to fix the dates. — JJMC89 14:24, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeah I realize, I was just joking around. GabetheEditor (talkcont) 14:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

I am sorry that I did not message your sooner (i.e. back in January) but I just wanted to thank you for your edits (cleanup) and for helping out with Draft:Ali-A back then. Thanks! --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:53, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

What's wrong

What part of my page was copyright and can I get a copy of my edit to my email Marquez504 (talk) 23:40, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Marquez504: Content was copied from and (see sections highlighted in red). You have access to the content as you already restored it, which I reverted. Copyright violations are not permitted under any circumstances. — JJMC89 23:51, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
So if I fix it I will be okay Marquez504 (talk) 00:04, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
You need to rewrite the content you want to add in your own words. — JJMC89 00:11, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Question about Penedo article.

JJMC89 I just sow the link you provided on Penedo article, and just wanted to clarify that I was the one who created that blog, so I'm the writer. I'm trying to create the article on Wiki but it's very complicated to do according to the millions of link of the requirements. Please, advice what is the best to do in order to don't be deleted from Wiki. Thank you in advance. Olga Wills (talk) 00:23, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Since the text has been previously published, it is copyright. You will need to licence it appropriately for it to be used here, see WP:DONATETEXT for information on how to do so. — JJMC89 00:32, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
@JJMC89: Why it has to be so complicated? I see only obstacles, not the solutions here. The link you provided is very general. It said on the blog that the article was written by Olga Wills. So, I'm the one who wrote it. In the other hand the article I wrote on Wiki is just shrinking and shrinking, which is ok as soon as it meets the criteria. But, please, if you would be so king to explain for regular human being what exactly need to be fixed in order to keep the article on Wiki? it's about an elected official, not just a bio, so can that category be added to that article or what is the best way to proceed? Olga Wills (talk) 01:02, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
We cannot take your word that your wrote it. The community will decide if the article can be kept. The {{close paraphrasing}} is about copyright concerns. Copyright material cannot be used on Wikipedia without licensing it under an appropriate licence. See WP:DONATETEXT for instructions on how to do so. It is very clear about your options for releasing the text under an appropriate licence – the blog must be updated to include a licence statement or a permissions email must be sent. — JJMC89 01:48, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
JJMC89 The blog has been updated, It says on the bottom of the page: "All images and content are released free of copyrights." So, it's Free to be used. Now you can update your inputs on the Penedo article from your side. Looking forward to it. Olga Wills (talk) 02:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


  The Cleanup Barnstar
Thank you, JJMC89! 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 09:24, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks 99! — JJMC89 18:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Your advice please?

Hi, saw you on the page history of Template:Infobox election. I have template-editing rights, but little competence in editing templates. I was trying to remove the linking from the plain years that appear top right/left of the outputs as presumably navigational links. Surely they should go to the article on the previous election, not to the year article—that's what readers will expect, and also the styleguide does discourage plain year links unless there's special justification.

I tried here to rejig here, but I reverted because it didn't fix the problem. Could you advise? Tony (talk) 09:00, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Tony1, can you provide an example of an article in which there is a "plain year link"? The links in the example template go to the page for the previous election. Also, the best place to discuss this is the template's talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
As Jonesey95 said, they are piped links to the next and previous elections. Also, please use the sandbox to test when you are not sure. — JJMC89 18:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Sure, it was the infobox here: Florida State House elections, 2016. Tony (talk) 03:37, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
@Tony1: The |previous_election= and |next_election= were used incorrectly. I've fixed the article. — JJMC89 03:43, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you JJ! I'll take a look at your diff to learn what to do. Tony (talk) 03:44, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


Please do not patrol and tag pages if you are not going to notify the creator of your tags. Such pages will otherwise remain unsourced and/or incomplete forever. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:53, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

The last article that I patrolled was A Good American, which I did not tag, on 5 February 2017. — JJMC89 04:04, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Maytech and Anastasiia09

Hi JJMC89! Would you be so kind to explain why are you deleting all the edits I do on my page Anastasiia09? Can't you see I am editing the article every day in order it to be written according to all Wikipedia rules? Can't you see the little changes I do every day? I think you are just deleting it without barely checking what is inside. If you are deleting everything every now and then, please tell me where can I have some space with Wiki markup so I see how the article looks visually? I need some space where I can create and edit and save article so I can see how it looks like. I can't do this in Google Docs as it is a complete mess out there because Google Docs do not have Wiki Visual Markup. Please stop deleting my article or show me the place where I can create, edit and save the article so I can work on it till it be perfect! Thank you! Anastasiia09 (talk) 14:33, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Anastasiia09: I suggest you work at User:Anastasiia09/Maytech, where there is already a draft of the article. Your work is being removed because it violates copyright. Copyright violations are not permitted anywhere on Wikipedia for any length of time. — JJMC89 15:18, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
@Anastasiia09: Stop adding copyright violations. — JJMC89 15:27, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
@JJMC89: Ok I will edit the artcile only here: User:Anastasiia09/Maytech I'm trying to remove all copyright violations, it takes some time. Thanks. Anastasiia09 (talk) 15:52, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
@JJMC89: Hi! Can you please have a look at the article how it is now (the latest version)? I wrote everything in my own words. I would like to submit the article for review (please check the latest version). I hope it doesn't conatin any copyright violations. Thanks. p.s. And I'm sorry for my emotional tone in first message here from 14:33, 15 May 2017 Anastasiia09 (talk) 14:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
@Anastasiia09: The copyright text that I was previously removing is no longer present. Also, I've cleaned up the references. — JJMC89 02:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
@JJMC89: Thanks so much! — Anastasiia09 (talk) 14:57, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, JJMC89. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, and move subpages when moving the parent page(s).

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Swarm 04:42, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Stub sorting

Hello JJMC89,

I noticed you marked an article as a stub using the {{stub}} template. Did you know that there are thousands of stub types that you can use to clarify what type of stub the article is? Properly categorizing stubs is important to the Wikipedia community because it helps various WikiProjects to identify articles that need expansion.

If you have questions about stub sorting, don't hesitate to ask! There is a wealth of stub information on the stub sorting WikiProject, and hundreds of stub sorters. Thanks! -- I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 07:46, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - Newsletter No.4

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Your BRFA Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Magic links bot

Your BRFA was approved and is pending a flag. The approval requested an enwiki local user page be created. — xaosflux Talk 04:31, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

  Done. — JJMC89 05:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

JJMC89 bot task 12 / NFC

Note: This task is currently disabled. — JJMC89 23:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. SQLQuery me! 03:12, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Non-fair use deletions

It seems like this bot has deleted a lot of images from articles to which I contributed on the grounds that no fair use rationale was provided for the images. I can't seem to find the deleted images but I seem to recall a fair use rationale (chiefly historical) in every case. Is there further explanation?Mtsmallwood (talk) 14:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Without examples, I cannot tell you why certain images were removed. The likely case is that the provided FURs are not valid because they are missing the names of the articles the images are used in. — JJMC89 17:06, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Here is one example: Newport (steamboat). There are about 15 more on my watchlist. The problem is that I can't seem to be able to find the images that are supposedly causing the problem to link to the articles in question.Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
The image is File:Steamer Newport before 1914.jpg. A link to Newport (steamboat) or the text Newport (steamboat) is missing from the FUR. It looks like the links to 'Newport (steamer)' should be changed to 'Newport (steamboat)'. — JJMC89 19:09, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
FUR updated and image restored to the article. — JJMC89 16:24, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Just reverted your bot

I just reverted an edit by your bot; I see why it did it but if you take a look at the text of the FUR you'll see it wasn't the right thing to do. Is there any way to stop the bot making this sort of mistake? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:21, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Also see here. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
I've updated the code to (1) check direct links before redirects and (2) pipe wikilinks when updating file description pages. For that specific case, it will see the link to Analog Science Fiction and Fact and not need to edit. — JJMC89 04:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Another potential issue

This bot edit [1] while technically correct is something that should be easily detected as fixable, in that the rational used only "Hell Bent" rather than "Hell Bent (Doctor Who)". A human editor would clearly recognize what was meant by the rationale and would have likely fixed it. This was something that BetaCommand's bot that did similar checking did (it would recognize close-mispelling, missing disambiguation pages, and the like). It would still be appropriate to drop a warning or notification if the bot updated the link in such cases, but it shouldn't remove the image like it did in that diff. --MASEM (t) 16:02, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I'll look into correcting the file description pages when a link is missing disambiguator. — JJMC89 01:15, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Your bot is malfunctioning. Stop it.

Improper removal of File:Berkey-Joshua-H.jpg from Joshua H. Berkey (there is indeed a fair use rationale provided), which cascaded into a bot-generated deletion notice for the file. I have three of these on my page all of the sudden, dollars to donuts it is all your doing. Shut the bot down until you fix this!!! —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Carrite: It is not malfunctioning. The FUR was not valid since it did not contain link to the article or the title of the article. I corrected the issue. — JJMC89 18:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Yep, Charles H. Cochrane is screwed up because of your bot also. Fair use rationales do not require the use of a template, if your bot is built on the premise that templates are required, you need to figure out how to work around that. Carrite (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
FUR updated. — JJMC89 18:22, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, it is a trifecta of malfunction. Jeffrey Friedman (politician) was also vandalized by your bot. Fix it. Carrite (talk) 18:21, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Until you added the link to the article, the FUR was not valid since it did not contain a link to the article or the article's title. — JJMC89 01:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
This bot should be called Frankenbot. I had a fair use rationale on Liberty (sternwheeler) but did not use the template on the fair use image. The image was wrongly tagged and also removed from the article.Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@Mtsmallwood: When the bot made the edit the FUR was invalid since it did not contain the article title or a link to the article. — JJMC89 01:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Actually the image did contain a link to Liberty (sternwheeler) when it was uploaded. Check out the page history for the image. I am getting a number of orphan image messages as a result this bot, which I think is commenting out image links so that it appears that fair use images lack a link to an article.Mtsmallwood (talk) 00:50, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
No, the link was to Liberty (sternwneeler), which has never existed. — JJMC89 01:10, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
An obvious error mistaking an n for an h, which could have been corrected easily without the trouble created by the bot.Mtsmallwood (talk) 01:45, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Same here, fair use image in Rescue of BAT 21 improperly marked as non-fair use. Makes me wonder how many other images are affected. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 23:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@Btphelps: There is no FUR for File:IcealHambleton2-.jpg for use on Rescue of Bat 21 Bravo, only Iceal Hambleton, so the bot's edit was correct. — JJMC89 01:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


I've got two more wrongly flagged fair use files. Consider this your notice that you are being discussed at Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents. Complaint to be filed there momentarily. SHUT YOUR FUCKING BOT DOWN!!! Carrite (talk) 19:16, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

It hadn't been running for ~4 hours when you first wrote a message here, so there was nothing to shutdown. — JJMC89 02:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
All caps, and swearing. Classy, and an excellent demonstration of civility to boot. If you'd visited/read the bot's user page you would have known that you can shut it down yourself without the need for a block by simply editing this page. SQLQuery me! 02:32, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I assume you're already aware, but just in case; per my comment in this thread I've temporarily shut down the bot. It's fairly clear that in approving this task SQL hadn't thought through the implications; there's absolutely no obligation for a FUR to include a template; nor is it obligatory for a FUR to include a link to the article on which the image is to be used provided it mentions the name of the article; nor is it reasonable to immediately delete a FU image from an article just because the article in question has been renamed. ‑ Iridescent 22:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't look for a template. It looks for the two options in WP:NFCC#10c: a link to the article (redirects included) or the title of the article. — JJMC89 02:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
As I had requested on your talkpage, please reconsider your block, as this task can be disabled without such heavy-handed measures. SQLQuery me! 04:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Bot may not be handling nested comments correctly

@JJMC89: Hi, I noticed with this edit that the bot doesn't notice nested comments in parts of an article it comments out. I don't know the correct way to nest comments, but for now, I think this can be fixed by neutering the nested comments like so:

<!-- outer comment < !-- inner comment --> rest of outer comment--> (note the space in the opening comment tag)

Or ending the bot's comment before the next one starts:

<!-- outer comment --><!-- inner comment --> <!--rest of outer comment-->

Thanks for considering running this bot. --BurritoBazooka If you reply here, please add {{ping|BurritoBazooka}} to your message 19:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, BurritoBazooka. That should be easy enough to fix. — JJMC89 01:13, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Bot orphaning many non-free images?

Hello. I notice that your bot constantly orphans some of my uploads: this and that. The rationale says that my uploads failed WP:NFCC#10c. I don't see the purpose of the bot hiding those images other than orphaning them. May you explain why? --George Ho (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I see you've fixed Broken Vows, and I've fixed Billionaire Boys Club. WP:NFCC#10c requires a link to the article or the name of the article in the FUR. For both of those the FUR linked to the incorrect article, making the FUR invalid for the articles that the images were used on. FYI that bot task is currently disabled. See above regarding the issue of missing disambiguators. — JJMC89 02:35, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
I was able to reinsert an image at Yesterday's Gone (song). Not only I saw your above discussion, but I also saw the bot issue raised at ANI. I wonder whether I can necessarily go there. --George Ho (talk) 02:38, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't know what you expect to get at ANI. — JJMC89 05:16, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Hmm... I see your point. Still, I've been receiving bot notifications about orphaned non-free images. I see you're still working on the bot issue, so I'll hold my patience until the whole situation is resolved. --George Ho (talk) 05:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

The number of orphaned files at Category:All orphaned non-free use Wikipedia files rose to 1500+. Also, I reinserted the image of ...Baby One More Time (song). Where else do I address this matter besides here? --George Ho (talk) 03:16, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I realize I shouldn't have jumped into conclusions. I was just thinking numbers but did not thoroughly checked your contributions first. I hope you'll forgive me. I check your bot's contributions (JJMC89 bot (talk · contribs)), and I realize I was mostly wrong about your bot. Still, I think—to make up a major error on my part for jumping into premature conclusions—the bot's contributions to mainspace pages are worth looking at, just in case. --George Ho (talk) 12:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I think the bot really is malfunctioning this time!

On the I Am the Greatest (A House album) article, the bot removed the album cover image, citing WP:NFCC#10c. This caused another bot to tag the image page with the orphaned non-free template. However, the image page has had a full fair use rationale - including a link to the album article - since its creation over nine years ago. I've reverted the changes. Unless I'm missing something, the bot should not have done this, correct? -- Hux (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

The name of the article is I Am the Greatest (A House album); however, the FUR was for I Am The Greatest. I've updated the FUR. — JJMC89 06:32, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
(Edit conflict! ;) )
I think I've figured out the problem: the FUR links to I Am The Greatest, but that link now goes to a redirect, which then goes to a disambiguation page; the album article was moved to I Am the Greatest (A House album) in 2014. In other words, your bot is requiring the FUR to link to the page on which the image is used, but that link can become invalid for reasons that are not the fault of that FUR. In this situation, the bot goes ahead and removes the image from the page anyway.
You're going to run into this quite a bit, I reckon, so would you perhaps consider looking into methods of avoiding such eager image deletions? Maybe put a warning on the image page for a week first, to give someone the chance to fix the problem? -- Hux (talk) 06:38, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
When pages are moved, the mover is responsible for updating the FUR accordingly. If the task is resumed, methods (e.g. notifications, bot correction of the FUR) of handling such things will be considered. — JJMC89 23:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

A suggestion

You may want to add somewhere (preferably linked from the page histories) a list of common reasons why a file is removed as part of this task. For example, "NFC does not mention article", "similarly named article" and the like. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:29, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

That is something I'll consider if I resume running the task. Thanks. — JJMC89 19:15, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


IP gets reverted.[2] I tell them to make an edit request, which you decline.[3] So IP edits the article again as suggested by you.[4] Gets reverted again.[5] El_C 14:50, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Category:Music infoboxes with Module:String errors‎‎

Thanks for helping to remove the errors, but I've already filed a bot request to fix them so it might be best to wait until the bot clears out the easy fixes. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me
04:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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