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I found this following edit summary for Signals, Crane and Subway, Charters Towers railway station

Editor's summary: Task 15: Lowercase per RfC

Charters Towers is in Australia, not China. Just thought I'd mention it in case the bot has escaped its geographic confines. Kerry (talk) 06:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The decision is that Chinese stations and others should conform to the convention used elsewhere (emphasis added). The list of stations on which the bot is operating is linked from the BRFA. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:33, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Then it would seem sensible that the edit summary said that and save me the waste of time reporting what appears to be erroneous behaviour. So am I not supposed to question the operation of a bot especially one that is driven by the mysterious BRFA? Kerry (talk) 00:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Edit summaries have limited characters. Even the current one is too long to fit in the history for that page. — JJMC89 04:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Kerry Raymond: The edit summary clearly links to "Task 15", which goes to the BRFA. The RFC and the list of pages on which the bot is operating is linked from there. Given limited characters, I don't think it could be clearer. If you have a concrete suggestion for a different edit summary, please make it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:04, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

And very happy holidays. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:57, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Cheers, 99, happy holidays! — JJMC89 04:07, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
  • From me as well, to both of you. Drmies (talk) 16:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
    Thanks, doc, happy holidays! — JJMC89 02:59, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Matt Zagula

Thanks for editing the page I created. I'm new to Wikipedia so would love some help. What is Linkrot? I read the page on Wiki about it and all the references I used are active and independent. Is there anyway I can improve the page? Appreciate your help. Wikilover2604 (talk) 04:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

You should click on the links and do some reading. These too: WP:PAID, WP:COI. — JJMC89 04:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi. I disclosed my paid edit at the time of creation. It is on my talk page along with my employer name. Have I done so incorrectly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikilover2604 (talkcontribs) 05:00, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Read WP:DISCLOSEPAY. Your talk page is not one of the three pages that you must use for disclosure. — JJMC89 05:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


You used your bot account to make a substantive edit here, Please be careful to avoid it. Furthermore the edit was advertising, and has been removed. The rules about promotionalism apply everywhere in WP, not just to article pages. DGG ( talk ) 22:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@DGG: The content was from Talk:Alok Bhargava/Comments (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) (now deleted). My bot only copied it to the main talk page to discontinue the use of comments subpages. Ameerag is the user that originally added the comment. — JJMC89 22:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Please move Draft:Gabjil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Gabjil. I am the instructor in this course, I think the article is fine for namespace, and I do not find the draft system useful in education (reviews take too long). We requested that the article is moved to mainspace, not to draft space. Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

  Already done by another editor (and sent to AfD). — JJMC89 18:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Coordinates parameter cleanup

I wonder if you would be willing to run your bot (task 7) through the articles listed under "Ω" at Category:Pages using infobox settlement with unknown parameters. There are thousands of pages (I estimate about 48,000 articles) to be cleaned up with edits like this and this. Thanks for considering it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:40, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Without Template:Geobox coor/sandbox2 (edit · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete) none will be converted to {{coord}}, just removed. If that's okay, then yes. — JJMC89 06:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
My sense is that there are thousands of infoboxes with blank lat/long parameters but N/S/E/W filled in because of copying and pasting from an example template or article. Those N/S/E/W values are not displayed and are safe to delete as long as the lat/long are blank. You should be able to do an initial pass with an automated version of the exact replacement that I did manually: "\|latd=\s*\|latm=\s*\|lats=\s*\|latNS=[NS]\s*\|longd=\s*\|longm=\s*\|longs=\s*\|longEW=[EW]" replaced with nothing. Then we can look to see what is left. I just looked at a dozen random articles, and they all followed this pattern. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm busy IRL, so I'll look at this once things have calmed down. — JJMC89 05:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
  Running... — JJMC89 22:58, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
  Done. There are a few hundred left for manual cleanup. — JJMC89 18:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Super. Thanks. I'll clean up those outliers. Just 200 left out of about 48,000 is fantastic. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

User removing SPA tags

Please note the message I have left for this user who you were involved with. Home Lander (talk) 03:33, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the blank userpage

Hi JJMC89, I am new to the Wikipedia space. I noticed that you have blanked my page. I had used the same user name as the article that I had created. I have now requested a change in the username. Due to lack of understanding on my part, I may be projected some potential violations but they were not intentional. Is there a way out to publish this page again? I request you to help me and guide me through this. I am currently confused. Vasantrao Madhavrao Ghatge (talk) 10:26, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Poojak92. Your draft is located at Draft:Vasantrao Ghatge and is pending review. You may continue to work on it there. — JJMC89 18:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Fixed bot edits

Your bot made edits that I corrected here and here as the bot edits broke what was already working: A link to a redirect that pointed to a section of a page. Please be more careful to avoid this kind of editing in the future. Thank-you. —Prhartcom 12:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, Prhartcom. That bug has already been corrected. — JJMC89 18:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


  The Cleanup Barnstar
With much gratitude. Very best wishes, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:54, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, 99! — JJMC89 18:06, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

  Happy Holidays
From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol

Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail.

So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 23:12, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, MarnetteD. Happy Holidays! — JJMC89 23:31, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Thanks, Davey2010. Merry Christmas! — JJMC89 22:14, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message
Thanks, MRD2014. Merry Christmas! — JJMC89 02:58, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


Yeah... I kind of do mind. It would have been better form for you to post onto my user talkpage and tell me what was wrong with my "Holiday greeting-card" and to give me a chance to fix it myself first, than for you to go ahead and alter the coding yourself.
See, this is the deal from my point of view...I edit. I know how to edit. I am world-class at research. And I am a pretty ok writer. But I am not a coder. Oh, I've taken some programming classes years ago but neither computer programming nor Wiki-coding are in my areas of expertise. So. I worked very hard to make my "Holiday Card". I found something I kind of liked but then wanted to change it all around - I changed the spacing, I put in different pictures, I altered the writing and the font, I fooled around with the images and searched through Commons to find the right ones, the images that I thought were perfect, I spent time...but, anyway, so I made this thing, I made it and it wasn't easy and it wasn't perfect but I did it and I was proud that I made it, I was happy I made it. And I was happy that I could share it with some of the editors around here whose work I admire or who have encouraged me in some small way.
So, maybe next time you think about altering something like this, maybe ask the other editor first if they could change or correct it themselves - and give them your reasoning...maybe their content breaks up in the mobile view or perhaps it won't render in certain browsers or whatever the issue is.
If you have a good Wiki-reason for me to retain your version, please respond here - I would prefer to keep any discussions in one place. Shearonink (talk) 07:13, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

I've found that many don't mind when such edits are made, but since you do, I'll try to keep that in mind in the future. It contained obsolete HTML tags (<center>...</center>), misnested HTML tags (<center><big>...</center>...</big>), and a missing end tag (</center>). (Before you corrected it, I saw the broken categories on someone's talk page, which drew me to the page.) While these don't impact the display currently, they will in the future. — JJMC89 21:53, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
All you needed to do then and all you need to do in the future is to just explain all that in the first place, that would have been awesome and a big help to me. No harm done and no hard feelings, I just didn't understand why you thought the change was necessary. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 17:43, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Shearonink (talk)

After your help I figured it was the least I could do :-). Shearonink (talk) 20:53, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Shearonink. Happy Holidays! — JJMC89 21:05, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


Looks like you're still here, so I'll try. Please edit any one of the cases at WP:SPI, and you'll see "Indicators and other notes" (in green). It's supposed to come up collapsed with a Show link if you want to take a look at it. I don't even know what the damned thing is called to see why it suddenly changed. Can you help? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Think I fixed it. [1] Pinging SMcCandlish --NeilN talk to me 23:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@NeilN: You're a gem. Thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 23:06, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Dumb typo on my part; I added a parameter alias (to match other collapsing templates) and forgot the closing }}}. Fixed, and sandboxed.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  23:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Dédié à toi

Thanks, I have never did this before so no worry that I have to list any other pages. I will read more about wiki rules. Merry Christmas! DalidaFan (talk) 19:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hongqiao railway station (metro)

Can I get some clarification on the scope of the new railway conventions for metro stations please? I see you renamed Hongqiao railway station (metro). I read the RFC. The lowercase use of "railway" and "railway station" makes sense for cases where the words are describing what the thing is, i.e. Shanghai–Hangzhou high-speed railway, no argument about that. But, here, isn't it part of the proper name? I would argue because the metro station is technically the Hongqiao Railway Station station, (i.e. the metro station named for the railway station), the railway station part should remain capitalized. Also, official signage on the Shanghai Metro has it capitalized. Here we have a case (not common for conventional Chinese railways, but more common for Chinese metro systems) where there is an official English translation provided by the operating authority.

In addition, if we want consistency, there's also South Shanghai Railway Station (Metro) and Shanghai Railway Station (Metro). If we were to use the Shanghai Metro's official English name for the former it should actually be Shanghai South Railway Station, not South Shanghai, but that's another matter. Thanks. Heights(Want to talk?) 03:15, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Heights: It shouldn't extend to proper names. The bot worked from this list, which was vetted by other editors. — JJMC89 03:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok, so is it alright to change it back? I read in the RfC (now I noticed theres two of them, one which is closed, one which is still open), that users agreed that in specific cases, such as this one where Railway Station is part of the proper name, that it can be kept capitalized. I'm okay with the lowercase (metro). So I suggest Hongqiao Railway Station (metro), Shanghai South Railway Station (metro), and Shanghai Railway Station (metro). Or perhaps, as you suggested in the RfC, it is better to just use station twice, and call them Hongqiao Railway Station station, etc.? Heights(Want to talk?) 04:11, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
@Heights: I didn't take part in the RfCs. I don't have any objections, but you may want to discuss it with others before moving many of them. — JJMC89 04:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Alright, thank you, I'll make a comment in the RfC discussion. Heights(Want to talk?) 05:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
I think an article about a metro station named after Foo Railway Station should keep the capitals. A few editors checked the initial list I compiled and we tried to remove such cases, but if we've accidentally missed any then they should probably be moved back. Courtesy ping to Dicklyon who started the process. Certes (talk) 09:55, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Agree. I have restored the caps on that one. Happy to look at other issues and help as they come up. Dicklyon (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I think we generally got this right but, with the hindsight provided by Hongqiao, I found three other cases that may be worth reconsidering:

I don't think any of these are obvious enough for me to go and revert them now, but I've no objection if anyone else wants to move them back. Certes (talk) 20:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and re-capped those three (one is pending at WP:RMTR). Dicklyon (talk) 21:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
But it was moved to discuss at Talk:Fuzhou South railway station (Metro)#Requested move 30 December 2017. Dicklyon (talk) 05:03, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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