User talk:JJMC89/Archives/2017/August

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Submitting an article request

Hi there. I was wondering how long it usually takes for an article to get (potentially) published after submitting a request. OrGadol679 (talk) 07:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi OrGadol679. I don't know how long it takes requested articles to get written. It probably varies greatly depending on the subject of the article. Someone at the Wikipedia:Teahouse might be able to give you a better answer. — JJMC89 15:32, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Draft for Brodha V

Dear @JJMC89:, Thank you for making edits on my draft page for Brodha V My article has been declined for the second time and I am not sure how to make it more neutral than it is. On the Articles for creation help desk they asked me to refer to Ayumi Hamasaki as an example of maintaining a neutral tone. I feel like my article carries the same tone or maybe I'm blind to my writing and I'm not noticing the tone. I was also told to provide more reliable sources, however all my sources are published news articles. I'm not sure which ones I need to change. Could you please help me out with this article? Many thanks! Nramesh (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

You've had responses at the AfC help desk and at the Teahouse. You should following up on those discussions if you have more questions. — JJMC89 21:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Omar Hanoune

Why are you doing some harm to a page I have created, need to understand. Ne.pas12 (talk) 05:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

I haven't done anything harmful. I, and others, don't think Hanoune meets our inclusion criteria for people. You have been trying to create such an article since 2012. What is you connection to Hanoune? — JJMC89 05:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Iam not trying to create it now, it was there for 5 years and for some political reasons, someone deleted it, it's very complicated, but let me tell you that egyptian gov is deleting all activists from interen, it's a huge story, and this page wasn't new, it was there for 5 years, then as u an see they r deleting evry1 from the internet. it's a political reasons. as for Omar Hanoune he is well known, and you an check the ref urself my friend. Ne.pas12 (talk) 05:47, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
It was not deleted for political reasons; it was deleted for not meeting Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. Since you didn't answer the question, what is you connection to Hanoune? — JJMC89 05:52, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
No my friend, it was deleted from wiki arabia for political reasons, and they work for egy Gov, they told us that 3 years ago, and moreover things here in egypt is not the same as in the US, as for Omar Hanoune and others, I'm one of their supporters in courts and in real life. and you can find a very strange thing that the urdu version of this page is still there, but the arabic version was deleted 3 years ago as I told u, it's very complaceted and I won't be able to explain to u, u will never understand how the egy gov uses internet now as a weapon to silence all. finally thanks for ur support for human rights and democracy in Egypt!! Ne.pas12 (talk) 06:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Each project is independent, so what happened at arwiki is irrelevant. — JJMC89 06:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Rong fonts

Hi, could you please add a line

<span style="font-family:'Mingzat', 'Mainwaring Rong', 'XenoType Lepcha', 'Noto Sans Lepcha';">

to the language support page such that it will be automatically applied whenever we apply {{lang}} (lep-Lepc) to a text? The Rong language is not supported well on most computers without this line. -- (talk) 04:40, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

{{Lang}} does not apply any styling; it only indicates the language of the text. Redrose64 may be able to point you to the proper template series that applies styles similar to your request. {{Script}}? — JJMC89 21:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
I recall something along these lines some months ago, I think that it concerned a right-to-left script, possibly Hebrew. There were two templates, one of them set a font and the other didn't. I don't remember where it was discussed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you all anyway! @JJMC89 @Redrose64 -- (talk) 05:02, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
I found it, Template talk:Lang#Rendering Hebrew. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:45, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your recent intervention over the matter of my misplaced entry on Village Pump (Technical)

I don't know what had occurred with the entry that I attempted to make on the Village Pump (Technical)section, as this has never occurred previously. Can I ask if what you did would have brought the matter of the recent print-outs of any "Template ****Railway RDT" (where between each normal line spacing between stations, an extra blank line has suddenly appeared, giving the image of a widely spaced print with the line itself looking as if it is now a dotted line) to the attention to those at Wikipedia who can make the necessary amendments to bring matters back to normal. I am now 72 years of age and unfortunately not as aware as Í used to be prior to suffering a stroke in July 2012. Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 05:37, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Xenophon Philosopher: You asked me something very similar yesterday: and I explained this at User talk:Redrose64#Reference to your recent guidance on Wikipedia template print-outs and matters subsequent to it., and others have done so at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Problem suddenly found when printing out RDT line templates. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:27, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry if I have caused any duplication, as I was at a loss to know where matters stood with regards to the resolution of the problem that I had raised originally. Incidentally, I have attempted to print out both Template : Disused Exeter to Plymouth line stations RDT and Template:Disused railway stations (Plymouth to Penzance Line)this morning and the problem still has not been attended to as both my print-outs have widely spaced sections between the stations and the lines in question still give the appearance of a dotted line. Have you any idea when matters will be back to normal? Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 09:59, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

  We butted heads a bit the other day, but I think that's just because we both care about WP. I hope there are no hard feelings, and I hope I didn't cross any lines. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador ᐐT₳LKᐬ 03:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
No worries. Cheers! — JJMC89 19:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

{{bots}} tag

Hey there, I noticed that you recently removed the {{bots}} tag from a few articles, including the articles for Appeal (diff) and Americold Realty Trust v. ConAgra Foods, Inc. (diff). You noted in your edit summary that there was "no evidence of ongoing issue." I have added this tag to articles that use Bluebook style references because InternetArchiveBot adds text to references that is not consistent with the Bluebook style. See, for example, this edit by the bot that I later fixed manually. Unless you have any objections, I am going to re-add the template to those articles. In any event, I hope all is well! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:52, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey Notecardforfree. IABot is doing what it is supposed to do. Why would you want to have dead links? Yes, you may need to update the style to Bluebook, but that would be preferable to a dead link. — JJMC89 02:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey there, JJMC89 -- I've been thinking about this over the weekend and, upon further reflection, I think you are right. My initial response to slap the template on articles that use Bluebook may have been a bit reactionary. All things considered, I think you are correct that it's better to manually update citation styles than to have dead links. All the best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm glad you've reconsidered, Notecardforfree. — JJMC89 22:41, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Spamming from

I ran across this ip and saw the warnings you left on the ip's talk page. I've rolled back a couple and am wondering if another block is warranted. Is there any other discussion about this ip? Can you look over the subsequent edits since the block? --Ronz (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ronz: I've reverted a few more edits. Along with adding extraneous/spam external links, the IP makes some edits against WP:NOTBROKEN. I came across the IP during RC patrol almost two weeks before the block and haven't seen any discussion about them. The IP apparently didn't learn from the block since they just repeated the last edit before the block after it ended with a different YouTube video. I'm not sure if a block is needed, but someone should keep an eye on them. — JJMC89 22:36, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 22:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Stewart Levenson

JJ, I see you marked an article I recently created, Stewart Levenson, as having some problems and mentioned in your edit summary that it was a possible candidate for BLP1E. It may seem odd to hear it, but you have my gratitude: I was paid to create the article, and the person in question rejected my version of the piece and insisted that I substitute his own. I explained that regardless, the article would be a candidate for a BLP1E argument, and that his version was likely to be tagged as such or even nominated for deletion as failing a notability test. I am expected to defend it if it does become nominated for deletion, though such a defense will likely be cursory at best on my part. Personally, I think a move to an article space about the hospital or the event is not at all inappropriate (subject has been warned about those possibilities as well). If you got an inkling to do that, you can expect no resistance from me. I am not saying you should do this... am I? Anyhow, thank you for confirming my suspicions here. KDS4444 (talk) 04:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh, one more quick thing: the COI template suggests that there will be a corresponding talk page discussion about changes the article needs in order to comply with WP:NPOV. I couldn't agree more, but am concerned that some other editor may remove your tag (which the /doc for the tag says they can do) if there is no actual discussion located on the talk page. Could I get you to initiate that discussion? I would do it myself but as the article creator, I am a poor (i.e., non-credible) candidate. Thanks again! KDS4444 (talk) 04:56, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
The article was written by the subject: [Levenson] preferred his version of the article, so am now publishing that. — JJMC89 03:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
One more bit: I am a little concerned that a BLP1E "argument" (if one needed to be made, though as I said I would not object to it) could be contraindicated on these grounds: the event appears to likely be notable (which I think it probably is) and the subject's role within the event is large/ substantial (which I think no one would disagree with). When I look over the guidelines for BLP1E with care, I get the idea that maybe the hospital should have an article AND this person should also have a standalone article. That's not an outcome I am hoping for here, mind you, but I am wondering if it isn't the kind of outcome the article might warrant "according to policy/ guidelines". Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KDS4444 (talkcontribs) 06:31, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
<24 Google News hits for Levenson doesn't say much for him being notable. The hits are only related to this one event. He is one of a group of whistle-blowers. What make him notable and not the others? The current article is mostly about the event, not Levenson, himself; it's more of a pseudo-biography. I don't know that an article about the hospital is warranted either. An article on the event, maybe. — JJMC89 03:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
No argument there— there is very little to make him more notable than any of the other whistleblowers. He claims to be one of two "leaders" of the group, though the other leader does not as yet seem to have a Wikipedia article. He has been interviewed regarding this incident, so there has been some media attention placed on him specifically, and the Boston Globe also seems to identify him as a group leader, so his role within the incident is one that seems to me as though it would likely be considered significant. WP:BLP1E says, "We should generally avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met: 1.) If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event; 2.) If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article; and 3.) If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. John Hinckley, Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant and his role was both substantial and well documented." I am wondering if he really meets all three of those "not" conditions, because it looks to me like he escapes through #3, a significant event in which the subject had a significant role. Let me know how you read that. Thanks! KDS4444 (talk) 19:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Taylor Company

If you have a moment could you please offer a few words of how Edelman (firm) meets requirements however the edits you made to when I used Edelman (leading global agency) as the base template and sourced all info also? Seems very heavy handed edits for my content and repeated ignores of Edelman (firm) when I have called out , sourced and cited accordingly at the same level and standards. Are there different standards for Edelman (firm) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjkoncur (talkcontribs) 04:00, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

WP:OSE type arguments aren't going to get you anywhere. — JJMC89 04:05, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I am not trying to argue , I am doing my best to cite an example that has been vistited by many editors and follow in similar suit as an accepted base. If you perceived me as being snarky, it wasn't my intention. I keep re-editing and perhaps I cited a poor sample to model off . If you cabn provide any help it would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjkoncur (talkcontribs) 04:33, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't saying that you were arguing; just pointing out that just because something is done in one article doesn't mean that it is acceptable. The Edelman article had third-party coverage of the material that is similar to what I removed from Taylor. On Wikipedia we write about what independent reliable sources say. Sourcing things to a company's website, doesn't demonstrate that it is noteworthy. Sourcing non-notable awards to those that determine them doesn't demonstrate that they are noteworthy either. — JJMC89 05:27, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Template:Infobox military award

Hello, I hope you can help me with this question, i would like to add an important field in this template; can you fix this for me?--Carolus (talk) 16:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The first step is to start a discussion at Template talk:Infobox military award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:32, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I would also leave a notice at WT:MILHIST. — JJMC89 19:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Ok, how does this work? Should i write a new chapter in News & open tasks ? It seems very confusing too much info. --Carolus (talk) 20:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot about this. After you start the discussion at Template talk:Infobox military award, just place a pointer (e.g. {{please see}}) to that discussion in a new section on WT:MILHIST. — JJMC89 05:51, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Klein Tools copyvio

Hello, I saw you cleaned the article of infringing works, however, I noticed that the copyvio detector is still complaining [1]. What is up with it? Did they copy from us? Ups and Downs () 07:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

@UpsandDowns1234: I assume you're talking about It looks like they copied from Wikipedia. Some of the content has been in our article since the original version, and it looks like the rest was edited in over time. — JJMC89 16:53, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Newsletter

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Mạc Thái Tổ

Well, the same editor keeps removing the tags and appears to not understand why the article was tagged in the first place. I just tried tagging sections to see what happens but it looks like we're going to need an expert to help with this one. Know anyone who speaks Vietnamese? Atsme📞📧 17:45, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: I don't. You cold look through subcategories of Category:User vi. Maybe ? — JJMC89 02:34, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Authority control

Hi JJMC89. I've seen you're quite active in Template talk:Authority control so i wanted to ask for your help regarding this new auth control id. It's being used already in wikipedia in spanish, and since many articles also exists in this wikipedia, i think it would benefit having the ID in the template. Regards and thanks in advance.--Zeroth (talk) 18:15, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Replied there. — JJMC89 02:58, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

The Papers to The Post (film)

I am trying to move the article The Papers to The Post (film) as that is now the title of the picture. Could you delete the redirect so the move can be done? Rusted AutoParts 03:59, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Rusted AutoParts 04:06, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
No problem! — JJMC89 04:07, 26 August 2017 (UTC)


Thank you, JJMC. Many times lately you've followed up on some matter even when I haven't requested your help. Cheers, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 01:52, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

No problem, I do what I can. — JJMC89 02:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Château de Montsoreau-Museum of Contemporary Art

Hello JJMC89, I hope you are well. Thank you very much for reviewing this page. The Val de Loire has been listed as a WHS in 2000 for 3 noteworthy criterions : i (Architectural), ii (Outstanding landscapes), iv (Architecture illustrates the ideal of the Renaissance). The mainline of this WHS is: "The Loire Valley is an outstanding cultural landscape of great beauty, containing historic towns and villages, great architectural monuments (the châteaux), and cultivated lands formed by many centuries of interaction between their population and the physical environment, primarily the river Loire itself." The Mission Val de Loire is associated with UNESCO as an operative structure: . This organisation says who is part or not part of the Val de Loire WHS. The Château de Montsoreau being the only one to have been built in the riverbed at the Renaissance has been delivered the right to use its own dedicated logo mentioning it is part of the Val de Loire WHS. Thank you in advance to reconsider your choice of removing it from the Val de Loire WHS. All my best, Philippe49730--Philippe49730 (talk) 12:56, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello JJMC89, I found a practical example to work with : the Château de Chambord was listed in the 80s as a WHS, and thanks to such buildings, the Val de Loire WHS has been created. It has been included in the Val de Loire WHS in 2000. Does this mean that it is not anymore a WHS? as its previous classification has been canceled by the new one. This example is just illustrating the fact the Val de Loire has been listed as a WHS thanks to its natural landscapes, but also and merely thanks to architecture. Practically the UNESCO is considering Chambord as a WHS, as it is considering a WHS all the major Renaissance castles of the Loire Valley, reason why the Val de Loire WHS has been created. All my very best, Philippe49730--Philippe49730 (talk) 12:54, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
As you've already been told, the château is not itself a UNESCO site. — JJMC89 02:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

New Admin

"What does this button do?"
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The ACC team thanks you for all you do. Now with some new buttons, go do more :P - FlightTime (open channel) 22:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, FlightTime! — JJMC89 02:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Nice job, JJMC89! My apology that got caught when I fixed the misentered information for the next entry. I didn't mean to delete it, and I greatly apologize for the mistake. Best -- Catherine (talk) 03:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:47, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Judy Tyrus

Hello. I was wondering why you deleted Judy Tyrus as a notable alumni on the page for Kennedy High School in Richmond, California: John F. Kennedy High School (Richmond, California). (snip) Best regards -- Catherine Asaro (talk) 00:32, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

It was removed per WP:WTAF. Persons listed as notable alumni should already have an article about them before being included. — JJMC89 01:45, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
How would I go about getting that done? I've only set up a few minor articles here, so I'm not really a Wikipedia editor. I don't know if my articles are experienced enough. This is the last one I did: Frank Asaro. It's about my father, though, so I had all the information and picture already. I do think I can contact Judy Tyrus, however, so I could ask her for information to go on the page. Best -- Catherine (talk) 02:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
If Tyrus is notable, you can create a draft through the Wikipedia:Article wizard. You shouldn't base an article on information from the subject; articles should be based on independent, reliable sources. — JJMC89 02:08, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the reference. That looks good. Part of the difficulty is that Ms. Tyrus is now the curator of the Dance Theatre of Harlem. In other words, she is the person you contact to get information, articles, and pictures about former dancers in DTH. I suspect that is why it's hard to find information about her in general as a DTH dancer, since it would be seen as promoting herself with her position. Any suggestions for how to proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:14, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with the field. Editors at the Wikipedia:Teahouse may be able to assist you. — JJMC89 05:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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