PomfretEdit

Hi Htonl. Firstly, all the best fot the new year. I am curious about this move, which you say was done as per naming convention. Which convention specifically? Does it not make more sense to say "Pomfret (South Africa)"? Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 01:46, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Rui, the naming convention is documented at WP:PLACE under the "South Africa" heading: "Where possible, articles on places in South Africa use [[placename]]. Where disambiguation is required, [[placename, province]] is used." One could argue that "placename, South Africa" would be better, but there are actually a number of place names duplicated across multiple provinces. - htonl (talk) 08:16, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Htonl. I guess then that's how it is. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 10:19, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Children's Act, 2005Edit

Hello

Just a quick note to mention that the article Children's Act, 2005 had been reviewed Access to review notes here, as part of Wikipedia Primary School Research Project. Feedback welcome ! Since you are the primary author of that page... Cheers Anthere (talk)

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Just wanted to say thanks for correcting the South African election dates. I'm amazed they were incorrect, and wonder how the incorrect dates were added i the first place! Number 57 14:53, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

M1 road (Johannesburg)Edit

Hi Htonl,

I am attempting to add an infobox road to the article, M1 road (Johannesburg), currently in my sandbox. When adding junctions using as example {{Jct|country=ZAF|M|31}} Atholl-Oaklands Road, M roads and its icon are showing as an "Invalid type", where as all N and R road icons work fine. When entering the country code, type and route, the following error also appears, [[File:|75x70px|alt=Metropolitan route M2 shield]] Metropolitan route M2. Any suggestions for a fix? Or does a new image have to drawn?

I will also be adding additional historical information concerning the planning and building of the motorway.

Regards Paul Conlinp (talk) 05:45, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Conlinp: that's because {{Jct}} and {{Infobox road}} don't recognize South African M roads. Luckily that is an easy fix. –Fredddie 21:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
@Fredddie: thanks for that. Is the road shield a bigger fix? Conlinp (talk) 04:15, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Metropolitan shields exist, but I'm not sure if they're right. –Fredddie 22:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
The shields are correct to the extent that they are drawn according to the SADC-RTSM description of a generic metropolitan route sign. However some cities have adopted their own unique signs, and Johannesburg is one of those cities - see http://i.imgur.com/tu3mCxb.png for the design if you want to try and reproduce it. - htonl (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@Conlinp: @Fredddie:: I've made shields for Joburg M1 and M2:

- htonl (talk) 10:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Nice, you beat me to it. I'll add them to the Jct module and Infobox road subtemplate now. –Fredddie 21:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
  M1
  M1
This works now. –Fredddie 21:51, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
I created the "JM" type for Johannesburg metropolitan routes that way Jct and Infobox road use the same terminology. –Fredddie 22:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@Fredddie:: Thanks everyone for that it looks good. Will now work on both articles. Conlinp (talk) 08:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

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Why do you keep reverting my edits? Huh?? HUH?????Edit

Why do you keep reverting my edits? Huh?? HUH????? Johnsc1277 (talk) 21:52, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

If you want to discuss the article, discuss it on the talk page. - htonl (talk) 01:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
The user has been indef blocked. --Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 18:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. - htonl (talk) 19:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

South African republic referendum, 1960Edit

Thanks for dealing with the vandalism on South African republic referendum, 1960. It's an interesting topic and I've been expanding it to cover the different perspectives; looking back the issues of monarchy vs republic, white unity and Commonwealth membership seem strange, but it's all about the context of the time.

Nowadays, if a Commonwealth realm became a republic, it wouldn't be required to reapply for membership, and despite what some people think, the Commonwealth isn't going to be revived as a trade bloc in the wake of the UK voting to leave the EU. South Africa survived outside the Commonwealth economically because it had gold and diamonds, but how the UK is going to survive outside the European Economic Area is a different story. Polemicista (talk) 17:49, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks, yes, definitely something I am interested in! Cheers, htonl (talk) 14:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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I recently became aware that same-sex marriage is no longer considered to be a human right, something that apparently it once was (per Amnesty International) but it never was by United Nations (though it was mistakenly viewed as being a human right). I like the way you wrote it to accommodate the reality of the situation. I think it recognises it fairly well. It is considered to be a right per LGBT lobbyists but in world terms it is not considered to be a right. This may be related to the fact that most of the world still considered homosexuality a crime, and some parts of the world still have the death penalty for being gay. A human right, globally, is something that is considered to be important to the world, but many parts of the world don't want it at all. There's a lot written about this, and fundamentally there's no reason why you need to be able to be married. Your life doesn't depend on being able to be married, though it may depend on being able to have homosexual sex. Anyway, thanks for fixing this up. I like the way you wrote it. I was getting quite frustrated with how to write it properly so thank you for fixing it. Mister Sneeze A Lot (talk) 14:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

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Re your removal of the 1996 census def. For me actually that definition is more or less the same as the GJMC area, but for relatively minor boundary changes. At the AfD though one person argued otherwise. Regards, Batternut (talk) 15:56, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Cape Town electionsEdit

Hi Htonl

From what I can tell from IEC data, there was 4 defections from the NNP to the ID in 2004. So ANC ended up with 104 seats instead of 108. I don't know how to update the map to show this, and was wondering if perhaps you could help me? -- Darthdyas (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that - I have corrected it but you may need to refresh to make sure the new image appears for you. - htonl (talk) 07:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the quick response -- Darthdyas (talk) 20:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

R215 (South Africa)Edit

Hi, wondering if you could help with this. I was hoping to de-orphan it, but List of regional routes in South Africa doesn't include any routes designated R2XX. I'm not sure if it's deprecated, renamed, or a hoax. Any idea? ♠PMC(talk) 16:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Closest to hoax, I think. The RDDA, which is the document that describes route numbers, doesn't show an R215 (or any route R2xx). The SADC Road Traffic Signs Manual states on page 8.6.1 that "At the time of publishing no routes have been allocated numbers in the R200 to R299 [...] groups." Salt Rock and Sheffield Beach are right next to each other on the Dolphin Coast, so you wouldn't expect there to be a numbered route for such a short distance. And I can find no evidence of such a route number on any map of the area. Would you like to nominate it for deletion, or shall I? - htonl (talk) 07:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll {{G3}} it with a reference to this discussion :) ♠PMC(talk) 15:03, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, Htonl. Hope you are well. Can you please help me with something? I have recently edited Alan Winde's article and I was wondering, do you maybe have a picture of Alan Winde that can be uploaded to the article and Wikimedia Commons? I am aware that you have a apolitical job at the Democratic Alliance, but can you please help me out? Thanks!

Kind regards Lefcentreright (talk) 18:03, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I've asked the marketing department if they have a photo that the DA owns and can release under a CC license. Will let you know. - htonl (talk) 18:30, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Lefcentreright (talk) 10:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Any luck yet? Lefcentreright (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
@Lefcentreright: Yes, sorry, here it is: File:Alan Winde.jpg. - htonl (talk) 16:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, man! The photo looks awesome! I appreciate it very much! Could you maybe ask the marketing department to update the Democratic Alliance Flickr account and upload new photos? Kind regards, Lefcentreright (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
It's a pleasure. I'll ask them about the Flickr account - but I think they're uploading photos on Instagram these days. - htonl (talk) 19:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Shape file for licensing districts in SAEdit

Hi Htonl

I'm looking for a shapefile of licensing districts in South Africa and am hoping you could help me. I see you uploaded a map of licensing districts in the Western Cape, do you have this in shape file format for the whole of SA? Or perhaps point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance, Marlies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.164.32.75 (talk) 10:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Request for another pictureEdit

Hi, Htonl. How are you? Can you please help me again with the supplying of a media file of Mayor Dan Plato with a CC license. I believe the current image on his Wikipedia article is not very accurate, since it is so pixelated and outdated.

As I have mentioned prior, I am aware that you occupy a technical, nonpartisan position at the Democratic Alliance. I have also read on your Wikipedia user page that you recuse yourself from the editing of any article in the Category:Democratic Alliance (South Africa).

Can you please help me again? Thanks! Lefcentreright (talk) 17:15, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

I've asked the marketing department. They're a bit busy right now with the manifesto launch happening this weekend, but I'm sure they'll get back to me next week. - htonl (talk) 19:25, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I appreciate it. Lefcentreright (talk) 15:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Any luck yet? Lefcentreright (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Here it is: File:Dan Plato.jpeg. - htonl (talk) 17:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Lefcentreright (talk) 13:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, Htonl. How are you? I have been editing John Steenhuisen's article. Can you maybe supply me with a photo of him? In the current one, located on the article, he looks like he is about to sneeze (most probably did after the picture was taken). As I have mentioned before, I am aware of your nonpartisan job at the DA, but can you maybe find the time to help me out? Have a good evening. Kind regards, LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 15:35, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Dominant Languages in South Africa MapEdit

Hello, can you tell me a bit about how you made the map of dominant languages in South Africa map (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_South_Africa#/media/File:South_Africa_2011_dominant_language_map.svg)? I was hoping to create something similar in ArcGIS, or if you have the shapefile, I would love to mess around with it.

  • That's funny, Htonl--you never answered the IP's question, as far as I can tell, but I came here to ask you about a similar map, File:South Africa 2011 Afrikaans speakers proportion map.svg. I am trying to replicate the results but am having a hard time. You have Afrikaans as the primary language for 80-100% of the people in pretty much all of Northern Cape and Western Cape. According to the 2011 Census, page 23, NC has 606,000 L1 speakers of Afrikaans out of a total of 1.13 million speakers (54%), and WC has 2.82 million L1 speakers of Afrikaans out of 5.68 million speakers (about 50%). Now, your map says it's at the ward level, and it's possible that (like American gerrymandered election) the "general", popular level produces different results, but still that is a huge discrepancy--from 50% overall to just about all of WC and NC provinces at 80-100%. My concern is that the resulting picture suggests that the western part of the country, in both maps, is almost completely Afrikaans-speaking. Doug Weller, is my math off very much? Drmies (talk) 17:49, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Drmies I don't think so. I certainly can't figure how the figures produce the map. Doug Weller talk 20:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 
SA population density
@Drmies and Doug Weller:: you have to consider the distribution of population. Take a look at the population density map to the right - the population density is extremely uneven. Non-Afrikaans-speakers are concentrated in the cities (Cape Town, Kimberley, George) as well as the far north-eastern part of the Northern Cape (along the border with the North West). There are huge areas of the west (especially in the Northern Cape) where there are almost no people, but the tiny number of people that are there speak Afrikaans.
 
Afrikaans-speaking population density
The "proportion" map is potentially confusing in this way, which is why it is paired with a "density" map (also visible on the right) which gives a picture of the distribution of the Afrikaans population, and the two maps are displayed in close proximity on the articles Afrikaans and Afrikaans speaking population in South Africa.
To put it in figures: in the Western Cape, 64% of the province's population and 80% of its non-Afrikaans-speaking population live in the City of Cape Town, which occupies only 2% of the province's land area. In the Northern Cape, the Frances Baard District Municipality and John Taolo Gaetsewe District Municipality together contain 53% of the province's population and 79% of its non-Afrikaans-speaking population, but occupy only 11% of the land area. - htonl (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Late addition: if you X out the wards with very low population (<1 person/km2) the Afrikaans proportion map looks like this. - htonl (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

To answer the IP's question (apologies that I didn't respond sooner): the ward geometries can be downloaded at [1] and the population statistics can be obtained from StatsSA at [2] (register/log in; choose Community Profiles -> Census 2011 -> Descriptive -> Descriptive, then New Table; click the arrow next to Geography and select South Africa by Electoral Wards, then Add to Row; click the arrow next to Language and select Language, then Add to Column; click Retrieve Data; download results using the dropdown in the top right). - htonl (talk) 22:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Langville, Western CapeEdit

Why did you turn Langville, Western Cape into a redirect? The target article does not mention Langville, nor did you insert anything relevant on the same date. On the face of it, that was not a helpful thing to do. SpinningSpark 20:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@Spinningspark: That was ten years ago, so my memory is fuzzy. But IIRC there were at that time a lot of stub articles being created in the same format as that Langville one was before I redirected it, i.e. "X is a settlement in Y Municipality in the Z province of South Africa" with no further information. I think they were generated off of some list. Anyway, lots of them were for neighbourhoods and we redirected a lot of those to the articles for the towns of which they were part. In the case of Langville it's a spelling error as well because the correct name is Laingville. You will see it is actually referred to in that article, under "Geography":

The region of Saint Helena Bay is sub-divided into various suburbs, namely (from east to west):Slippers Bay(Home of the famous Novella family), Laingville(Situated on part of the farm Elandskloof that was owned by the Laing Family), ...

- htonl (talk) 21:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I had missed "Laingville" in the article. As it is a misspelling, we should mark it as a misspelling or delete it. If we keep it, a redirect with the correct spelling should also exist. SpinningSpark 22:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I have no objections either way. - htonl (talk) 23:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Done. SpinningSpark 23:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Neighborhood shapes on Wikidata for use on WikipediaEdit

Hi Htonl, I want to start adding district maps on Cape Town neighborhood articles pages similar to the one on the Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan article. This however seems to require shape files for these areas to be on Wikidata so they can be called into the mapbox template for use on Wikipedia. I see you have very kindly (big thank you) shared these files with the public in kml format on your website. Is there a way we could get those shape files en-mass onto Wikidata (ping @YaguraStation: for any suggestions here should we be able to get a pile of shape files)? Once they are on Wikidata we can then start a process of giving all neighborhood areas maplinked mapboxs to show readers the geographical boundaries of the neighborhood they are looking at.--Discott (talk) 09:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Discott: The areas on my site are the "main places" and "subplaces" from Census 2011; you can grab them at https://stuff.adrianfrith.com/MP_SA_20.zip and https://stuff.adrianfrith.com/SP_SA_20.zip. However - as far as I can tell - you can't add shapes directly to a Wikidata entry; you have to have a relation in OpenStreetMap and tag it with wikidata=Qxxxxx to link it to the Wikidata entry. Then you can use {{Infobox mapframe}} to add the map to the infobox. As an example I have done Rondebosch which already had a linked relation in OSM. As a complication, I'm not sure whether the copyright status of that Stats SA data would be acceptable for OSM. - htonl (talk) 17:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@Htonl: Firstly thanks for all your work in OSM and Wikimedia projects. I'd be very happy to assist, Discott! The wards are all neatly mapped in OSM by Htonl, but they don't meet the "suburb" definition, sometimes being larger and smaller. Suburbs for Cape Town are indeed available in OSM (query in overpass), but not for all areas unfortunately (e.g. Philippi). So then do I see it right that I should (1) start adding the Wikidata keys to the established suburbs in OSM? And (2) map the missing Capetonian suburbs in OSM with corresponding Wikidata keys? Next to StatsSA, CoCT's Open Data Portal has published suburbs as shapes with their dubious "custom license" which could be uploaded and referenced in Commons, but it's probably safer and more sustainable to maintain them in OSM. Also CoCT's data varies in quality. If you have tooling tips, let me know. Because the next step would be to check StatsSA and OSM compatibility and batch process that. -- YaguraStation (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@YaguraStation: Indeed the wards are purely electoral structures which change every five years, and don't correspond to anything we would write articles about on Wikipedia. You do have it right in your points (1) and (2). I've added some Wikidata tags in Cape Town and it looks like you've been doing the same. However it seems there's currently a pause on importing data from OSM into the Wikimedia servers - see the note mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer#External_data and the linked bug reports on Phabricator.
When adding new suburbs, for Cape Town I'd suggest to use the City Council's boundaries over the Census. The road-side signs that name a suburb when you are entering it, seem to correspond to the City Council's boundaries (not suprising since they are responsible for the signs).
As to bulk imports, I'm not sure about them. Most of the boundaries run along roads, and I'd think in OSM we'd probably want to use the existing road segments as part of the suburb relations - not sure if we can do that automatically. Manual addition of suburbs might be better. - htonl (talk) 20:39, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
@Htonl: Yes, will be slowly mapping the outstanding Capetonian suburbs in OSM as multipolygons using outer boundaries additionally to existing suburb nodes, like the others. And will be using the CoCT's data as reference. But this will take some time. -- YaguraStation (talk) 07:48, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
@Htonl:, now that I have been involved in the whole copyright space for some time I can say with certainty that such data is not copyrightable. Long story short, one can only copyright creative works. Data is a reflection of fact, it has no transformative creativity, and so is not copyrightable. I am happy to get a legal opinion on this to back us up on it? This is also going on Wikidata which has very different requirements than Wikipedia so I doubt we will get any friction from there. --Discott (talk) 09:26, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
@Discott: I certainly defer to you on copyright questions. I think the requirements though would be those of OpenStreetMap rather than Wikidata since the data would be uploaded to OSM. Perhaps we should ask User:Firefishy who is/was on the OSM Data Working Group. - htonl (talk) 20:39, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
@Htonl: good call. I am not familiar with the role OSM would play in all of this so I am all in favour of asking Firefishy for their input on this.--Discott (talk) 13:41, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

About the "Numero" symbol (№)Edit

Sorry i did not know it was forbidden.I will change it i saw it in List of prime ministers of Czechoslovakia and i thought it was ok again i am sorry

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Provincial-level shapefileEdit

Sorry to bother you, but I was thinking of making a map in a similar style to the blank maps that you've made for the linguistic articles, except somewhat larger and with text added. Since the blank map that you used as a base was somewhat smaller than I needed for my purposes, I decided to recreate the map myself. It has been difficult to find shapefiles which are up-to-date, and most files I've found online either are outdated, or are up-to-date but also provide local municipalities (which I don't think I need for the moment). Do you have the shapefile which you used to make that map? Jerry (talk) 21:23, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@JerrySa1: you can download the shapefile at https://stuff.adrianfrith.com/provinces_2009.zip. But all my maps are vector SVGs so they should scale up quite well to different sizes? - htonl (talk) 08:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes, though when I went to download one of the PNG previews of the map, everything wasn't as smooth as the original file was, and since I'm not sure how to download the SVG itself, I decided to remake it from scratch in Inkscape. It wasn't too hard to get data for coastlines and national borders and urban areas from Natural Earth, so the only other thing I had to find was that. I don't think I understood what you meant, I don't think I can download the original SVG file to edit myself.Jerry (talk) 00:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
@JerrySa1: if you go to a map's File page (e.g. File:Map_of_South_Africa_with_provincial_borders.svg), just below the image of the map and the links of PNG previews, you will see a link to "Original file". Right click on that link and you can do "Save Link As" to download the original SVG. - htonl (talk) 00:23, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh... that's something I didn't really consider. It seems I wasted an hour or two on something which would take less than a minute. On the bright side, the parts of the map I had completed seem to match up perfectly with the basemap you posted, so it seems I did it correctly. Thank you for the clarification. Jerry (talk) 00:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

TesselaarsdalEdit

Sorry to bother. I just drove through the village today and noted it didn't have an English Wikipedia page, though it does have an Afrikaans one. It seems you have done some research into the town: https://twitter.com/adrianfrith/status/1224332460449812480 . Obviously that can't be cited, but your sources could be? Other articles I've found like https://overbergmagazine.co.za/the-hidden-gem-of-the-overberg-tesselaarsdal/ seem hardly npov. Garble (talk) 12:58, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Garble: Hey, that's a good idea (especially since I'm holidaying only a few kilometres away from Tesselaarsdal) so I've written up a brief article: Tesselaarsdal. - htonl (talk) 12:20, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Wow, that's impressive! Much better sources than I was able to find. What seems odd is that there is no postal code. It seems there is no more postal service? Garble (talk) 19:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

@Garble: no, I just hadn't thought to add the postal code. :) It is in the 7230 zone of the Caledon post office. - htonl (talk) 19:39, 29 December 2020 (UTC)