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FrescoBot Better source tagEdit

Why does FrescoBot tag with {{Better source|reason=per WP:CIRCULAR}} when there is a more accurate tag where the link actually takes you to the proper section in V: {{Circular reference}}? – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 00:55, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

You are right. Updated! -- Basilicofresco (msg) 18:08, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

hEdit

Don't break the streak — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matroesjka (talkcontribs) 16:53, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

??? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 05:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Macedonia is GreekEdit

Macedonia is a Greek region. It was and ancient Kingdom and a region of Greece for so many years. History can't change — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:A202:3F00:8F2:5017:DFC:8245 (talk) 18:56, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I see... so what? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 19:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

"Brigham Young Family Cemetery" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect "Brigham Young Family Cemetery". Since you had some involvement with the "Brigham Young Family Cemetery" redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

"Harrison v. National Association for the Advancement of Colored People" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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"Detroit Public School's Book Depository" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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Here I Come (Britney Spears') listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

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Ramakrishna missionEdit

It was 1st located on river bank opposite1st stage water works and school complex.Then it moved to kambala tank shore and later shifts to its present place on Korukunda road

It’s 1st location was opposite water works and school complex on river bund. 2nd is present Ayakar Bhavan. Now it is on Korukunna road. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:18f1:1c83:358b:42ad:e214:bf7 (talkcontribs)

I see... feel free to correct it. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 05:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

"Invisibile"Edit

Hi, I noticed that in summaries like this, your bot writes "invisibile", not "invisible", which is the English version :-) Eman235/talk 21:29, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Eman235: opsss... thanks!! :) -- Basilicofresco (msg) 11:53, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

QueryEdit

G'day. I've noticed that FrescoBot is removing alt text from images in galleries. See this for an example. I don't think this is appropriate, as it removes functionality intended to help with accessibility. Can you explain why it is doing this? Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Peacemaker67! Well, as far as I know the parameters "alt1", "alt2", "alt3", "alt4", etc are not valid and therefore are not used by the browser. Moreover it is the very first time I notice these invalid parameters and for this reason the script did not even try to convert them to a valid parameter name. You can revert the edit and rename these parameter "alt". -- Basilicofresco (msg) 11:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Shopping malls in IndiaEdit

Hello There, May I know why the "List of shopping malls in India" my edits have been not accepted ? These malls have been opened and running. I have also shared their websites(relevant websites). Please May I know the reason?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunilkullu (talkcontribs)

@Sunilkullu: I was not involved in that edit. You should contact User:Ajf773. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 13:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

File:Conventional 18-wheeler truck diagram.svgEdit

can U contact the author of the picture, and ask to add fairings and skirts please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.1.77 (talkcontribs)

Well I could, but... I have no idea of what you're talking about. I suggest you to contact him directly. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 11:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Brand factory wikiEdit

Also started in indore, madhya Pradesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:E78D:69EF:DE6C:BD4B:5E10:9206 (talk) 08:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I completely failed to understand what you are asking. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 11:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!Edit

  Thank you for your bot FrescoBot. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks!! :) -- Basilicofresco (msg) 11:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

FrescoBot is removing working codeEdit

FrescoBot is removing "|page=#" as in the example below and leaving the message Bot: galleries with misplaced invisible characters despite not containing any:

<gallery>
File:Manuscript of a Mongolian Sūtra WDL8912.pdf|Mongolian [[sutra]] manuscript, 19th century|page=3
</gallery>

NiluXC (talk) 23:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I will fix it! -- Basilicofresco (msg) 07:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Janet Jackson fans are called J TribeEdit

Janet Jackson fans are called J Tribe. You dont even have Janet Jackson listed on that list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C002:B6CD:BD9C:BDE4:5BB4:92 (talk) 04:28, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

??? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 05:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

First commercial oil well in us not in paEdit

1819 in mcreary county ky along the cumberland river according to spectrum news. 0600 4 jul 19

Thanks

Carney jackson Richmond ky — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.37.221.20 (talk) 10:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

??? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 18:17, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, August 2019Edit

Bots Newsletter, August 2019

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Imcorrect InformationEdit

The portion of Riddick Bowe's Fight History is incorrect see excerpt below followed by more Correct Information.

" On December 13, 2008, with the help of new manager Bob Bain, Bowe, 41, returned to the ring for the first time in over three and a half years on the undercard of the Wladimir Klitschko versus Hasim Rahman world heavyweight title bout in Mannheim, Germany and won an eight-round unanimous decision over Gene Pukall."

Myself Joseph D Duncan and my partner Herbert Smith both living and working in Mannheim Germany were the actual Managers Responsible for Riddick's Lisesing and training in Mannheim Germany! I have a News clipping of a German Artical proving that we not Bob Bain were in fact his Managers. Shortly after his win at sap arena in Mannheim Riddick and his wife and little girl that we had flown to Germany for his fight returned to the USA and unbeknownst tonus Riddicks wife had approached the Klitschko k2 management and told them to pay them direct and not Herb and Myself. You can contact the Klitschko camp and they can verify that we were in fact the Managers and trainers of Riddick Bowe. Its bad enough he ripped us off at the very least get the story correct. If you send me a good email I can email you a few pictures Proving my information. My contact info is jddjdd007@gmail.com and my phone number is 8324976744...

Respectfully

Joseph D Duncan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C56:7800:3087:C96D:3904:EC15:234E (talk) 12:47, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi! As you can see in the page history I was not involved in the development of the page Riddick Bowe. My only contribution was a small correction as FrescoBot, an automated bot. Feel free to modify the article with proper souces. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 14:10, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft:K-Way concernEdit

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If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13.

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FrescoBot removing self linkEdit

Hi, in this edit frescobot has removed a self link - perfectly logical & reasonable in the vast majority of cases. In this case however the table is transposed on another page Electoral_results_for_the_district_of_Upper_Hunter#1910_by-election which is where the link is intended to be displayed, one of the exceptions to WP:SELFLINK. Any suggestions on how I edit the page so that the link remains for the transclusion without being removed by the bot? Just to be clear I am not criticising the bot nor asking that its rules be changed, I just want to know a workaround to avoid it as I have been creating quite a few of by-election pages with this style. Cheers --Find bruce (talk) 09:32, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:K-WayEdit

 

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! HasteurBot (talk) 05:00, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Visakhapatnam Metropolitan Region Development AuthorityEdit

Please add Visakhapatnam Metropolitan Region Development Authority (VMRDA)in the list.Someone has removed it. Sai Krishna bonda (talk) 20:37, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Didn't understand why you were writing me. I suggest you to talk about this issue within the article discussion page. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

How bo you copeEdit

How are things going with you Donna dudley (talk) 01:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Actually not bad. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

"Circular references" and articles about WikipediaEdit

Please do not add "circular references" tags to articles discussing Wikipedia and using Wikipedia as a primary source, which is explicitly allowed per WP:CIRC, as your bot did here. Maybe don't add it to any article in any subcategory of Category:Wikipedia? —Kusma (t·c) 16:27, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Added to the exceptions. Thanks. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:39, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Frescobot errorEdit

Hey, Frescobot made an error here: [1]. There was an extra opening tag. Jerod Lycett (talk) 01:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the issue. I will try to catch that problems in the articles... -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry !!!Edit

I want to return the article for the Turkey Cup, however, in one of the edits, I was confused and now I cannot return the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gasforth-2021 (talkcontribs) 10:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Please write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gasforth-2021 (talkcontribs) 10:13, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Please do not block me for this error — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gasforth-2021 (talkcontribs) 10:19, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I was not in front of the screen and I was not involved in that article in any way. Moreover I couldn't block you since I'm not an administrator on en.wiki... so I'm not sure about the reason you were writing to me. In any case the problem seems solved now. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

"Wide Open Spaces (short flim)" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wide Open Spaces (short flim). Since you had some involvement with the Wide Open Spaces (short flim) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

PreciousEdit

meteorites

Thank you for quality articles about meteorites such as Fukang (meteorite), and their template, for Widmanstätten pattern, for running the FrescoBot, for believing in civility and assuming good faith, - user with a refreshing name and user page image, repeating (from 10 years ago): you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2380 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Awesome
 
Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

"King Kong(novel)" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect King Kong(novel). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 15#King Kong(novel) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesomeHwyh 18:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

"CPU (heart…)" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect CPU (heart…). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 16#CPU (heart…) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesomeHwyh 00:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

"CPU (heart...)" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect CPU (heart...). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 16#CPU (heart...) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesomeHwyh 00:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

hi Basilico.Edit

Hi basilico. Thanks for the changes on Francesco Carrozzo. There has been a discussion whether or not the page should be deleted, I believe it’s well set up now after your changes as well and would love to know if you like it. Thank you Serotonine69 (talk) 04:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Wayback Machine linksEdit

In Special:Diff/959700176, FrescoBot changed:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070828233650/https:///

(This quote contains the entire URL that was in the article.)

The bot removed one of the slashes on the end. Considering that the three slashes are not near the start of the URL, I’m not sure what triggered the bot to make this change, nor why the bot removed one slash rather than two slashes. I assume the bot is specifically programmed to recognise Wayback Machine URLs, in which case, perhaps it should also recognise invalid Wayback Machine URLs.

I have now fixed the article, but you might like to take a look at how the bot handles these. Brianjd (talk) 05:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I will check if there cases that it could be harmful and I will try to improve it. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 08:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Peg EntwistleEdit

Hi, Does the circular reference notation re the Steely Dan song "Peg" mean the ref is less than adequate? Should I seek out better source? Thank you! Jameszerukjr (talk) 21:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

"Moscow Academy for Tourism, Hotel and Catering Business" (under the goverment of Moscow)" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

  A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Moscow Academy for Tourism, Hotel and Catering Business" (under the goverment of Moscow). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 9#Moscow Academy for Tourism, Hotel and Catering Business" (under the goverment of Moscow) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

QuestionEdit

Hello I am an Italian user and I don't know if my page seems copied of google Traslate----Dany 09:17, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dany1000: Ciao! Anch'io sono italiano. Ho dato un'aggiustatina a The Series of Last e direi che per il momento ci può stare. Nel corso del tempo i madrelingua la sistemeranno meglio. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 14:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

FrescotBot errorEdit

Hi. I think this edit was a false positive. The "ChatuchakQueen SirikitWachirabenchathat park complex" is a park complex consisting of the three individual linked parks, so the word park shouldn't be included in the link to Wachirabenchathat Park. I'm not sure how the bot works, but it seems that constructs like "thinhorn and bighorn sheep" would also result in similar false positives. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: There was actually a filter to block this kind of questionable cases, but it was pretty simple. Now I improved it greatly and the accuracy should be much better. Thanks for pointing it out! -- Basilicofresco (msg) 08:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Bot malfunctionEdit

Hi Basilicofresco! This is somewhat an edge case, but I came across some unwanted behavior from Frescobot. The behavior relates to two colleges, Pomona College and Pitzer College, that have joint athletic teams. I therefore set them up a little while ago so that the athletics section for Pomona's page would be transcluded to Pitzer's via an excerpt, so that they would remain synced. For the first sentence, I used this code: The school's varsity athletic teams compete in conjunction with <noinclude>[[Pitzer College]]</noinclude><includeonly>[[Pomona College]]</includeonly> (another consortium member) (so that at Pitzer's page it says the teams compete with Pomona). When Frescobot came through, it removed the wikilink around Pomona, presumably since it assumed that a self-link must be an error. Is this part of WP:GENFIXES? Could the code be modified to specify that self-links within includeonly tags are not necessarily errors? Thanks for helping me sort this out. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 20:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

This kind of transclusions in the article namespace are somewhat odd and unexpected... In any case I just disabled the self-link check to stay on the safe side (this kind of transclusions are not easy detect in any possible case). -- Basilicofresco (msg) 01:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
More articles are now using transclusion. There have always been a few, but {{Excerpt}} is more flexible than the built-in section transclusion and is opening new possibilities. Certes (talk) 11:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

FrescoBot 12Edit

Thanks for all the good work, especially FrescoBot task 12 which is making some very welcome improvements.

I wonder if there is scope for finding cases which would change the link target, such as brown [[trout]][[brown trout]]. Editing these could go very wrong if done thoughtlessly and so should not be automated, but I suspect that your code could easily be modified to find and list cases for human consideration. As well as making vague but acceptable links more specific, it could fix a number of plausible but wrong links such as Jacob Murphy scored a goal. There used to be a tool which did something similar, but I can no longer find it; I think it got left behind in the Toolforge move. Certes (talk) 23:24, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

@Certes: Hi! No, the bot won't change the link target. When two links are fused, then the most specific link will be preserved. No new links will be automatically "guessed". The basic idea at the moment is to cover the cases that can be safely fixed in an automated way. However I guess that in the future I could create a script capable of double checking the article list and create a list of plausible better links. Then this list could be manually inspected and a collection of human approved fixes could be included in a future version of the original script. It should be feasible. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

FrescoBot concernEdit

Hey, just wanted to bring to your attention that in the course of doing its job, FrescoBot is accidentally running over some driver pages in WikiProject NASCAR and consolidating links that normally stay separated. As best described in this diff, normally links to both the season and the race are kept. It's a load of piping but I guess it's what the project has been doing since longer than I've been around. I don't know if there's a filter you can add to exclude editing driver pages or WikiProject NASCAR pages in general or if it's a case of manual reverts being the best option. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 01:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Willsome429: I see... Ok, no problem, to stay on the safe side I will exclude any page with the word "NASCAR". Thank you for letting me know! -- Basilicofresco (msg) 06:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Sea of blueEdit

Hi Balisicofresco. Part of this edit caused MOS:SOB so I've reverted that part of it. Thanks --Northernhenge (talk) 13:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Bot task 12Edit

Hi, I just came across the following edit [3] by Frescobot. It changed [[Thal Desert|Thal]] dessert to [[Thal desert]]. I see that as an improvement, and probably a large number of similar edits are improvements as well, but I don't think this sort of task should be handled by an automated process. It's not difficult to imagine all kinds of situations where the link has a good reason to be the way it is. For example in something like The photograph was taken in either the [[Cholistan desert|Cholistan]] or the [[Thal Desert|Thal]] desert it's arguably clearer if the word "desert" isn't part of the link. Also, in long lists of linked entities, the link scope in each case could have deliberately been restricted for better link focus. – Uanfala (talk) 17:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@Uanfala: I agree. Actually the bot should skip most of these special cases. However keep in mind that such a consolidated link is more understandable: clicking on "Thal" will I land on the administrative subdivision or the desert? Thal desert is clearer. In any case if you will encounter one questionable edit, please let me know. Thanks! -- Basilicofresco (msg) 18:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
And here's a real-life example of this hypothetical case: [4]. – Uanfala (talk) 18:16, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I've just had a look at a dozen or so recent edits by the bot, and there are a few edits that definitely shouldn't have been done: like here [5], where the bot completely changed what was linked, or here [6], where the bot created a single red link that overwrote the earlier sequence of a less specific blue link + more specific red link. – Uanfala (talk) 17:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

It did't change the link. The link was already present... -- Basilicofresco (msg) 18:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, the original text definitely needed attention, but the bot did change the link: from [[English language|English]] [[Teaching English as a foreign language|education]] in [[education in Taiwan|Taiwan]] to [[English language|English]] [[education in Taiwan]]. The original text was trying, admittedly not very elegantly, to provide links for both "English education" and for "education in Taiwan", and after the bot's edit only the second one remained. – Uanfala (talk) 18:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the bot should ignore cases where the link it would retain is red. And if you can get the bot to change dessert to desert in the right places, I'll be very impressed! Certes (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

And here's one case where an edit results in a change of scope of a modifier: [7]. The meaning of the sentence is that evil can be defined as either the opposite or the absence of good, but the bot's merging of the link made it appear (at least at first sight) as though it's a juxtaposition of "absence of good" vs. "the opposite" (rather than "opposite of good" vs. "absence of good"). This is not likely to confuse readers, but definitely breaks the flow of the prose. – Uanfala (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, the red link does not seem a common occurrence and if the author decided to create a red link... who knows, maybe there is a reason. :) (WP:REDYES)
Burying a link to Teaching English as a foreign language below "education" is an example of really really bad piping... we cannot expect a great solution by an automated program. In any case the result is a way better then the starting point. We should keep the links as simple as possible (WP:NOPIPE).
The case "Absence of good" is totally different. It is actually a good example... I have to meditate over it. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 18:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, the problem with the relink was not that the bot preserved it, but that it removed the blue link that anchored it. And as for the education example, my own personal preference would be for simplicity as well – I would have simply unlinked everything there. But the bot still made a bad situation slightly worse: if links are to be there at all, then a simplification that keeps both specific links is better than one that arbitrarily discards one. I'd go for something like [[Teaching English as a foreign language|English education]] in [[education in Taiwan|Taiwan]].
On a broader note, from the 15 or so random edits I've had a look at, the bot had made a lot of bad links good, it had made some bad links worse, and it had made a few good links bad. I don't know, I find it a bit surprising that this task is being done by a bot in the first place. There's too much context, too many possible exceptions to the rules. – Uanfala (talk) 18:55, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think this bot makes Wikipedia any more annoying than it already was. Some editors spend hours carefully constructing sentences and links, only to find someone else, or in this case a bot, comes along and undermines it by changing the nuances of the meaning or (when it's a human) just trashing the punctuation or whatever. Such is life on Wikipedia. The answer is to watch any text you care about and keep an eye on what people and bots do to it. If they just change it a bit and it's fairly inconsequential then I wouldn't discourage anyone by undoing it but if they've broken something or made the meaning uncertain or wrong, that's what revert is for. A great many edits make improvements, so we should assume good faith and sufficient literacy. --Northernhenge (talk) 20:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I was wondering if we need some sort of protective enclosure along the lines of {{not a typo}} that could be put around the rare cases that are better left without this bot's attention, but I suppose {{bots|deny=...}} is adequate. Certes (talk) 21:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Link specificity?Edit

Hi! Further to the above: your bot is going round making "link specificity" edits that as far as I can see are not covered by Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Link specificity. If someone wants to link separately to the Wharton School and the University of Pennsylvania in the phrase "Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania" (as at Helen Boaden‎), what policy reason prevents them from doing so? If someone links the Charolais cattle breed as at Limousin cattle, why do you think it necessary to include the disambiguatory "cattle" in the link? Would you kindly either post a link to the consensus for such changes, or stop making them until such consensus is achieved? Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Coming here for the same thing. This edit at First Battle of Newtonia was later reversed by Lieutcoluseng. Since these edits lack consensus, I don't think the bot should be making them. Hog Farm Bacon 14:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidstone#Radio_and_televisionEdit

Hi, I made some changes to the Maidstone page to highlight there is a new Maidstone Radio station as there is now not any local radio stations other than the Maidstone Community Radio, please can you help with my revision, this is the first time I've edited a Wiki Page, — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeAreMaidstone (talkcontribs) 14:02, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Denying FrescoBotEdit

I'm going to have to set {{bots|deny=FrescoBot}} on any plant list I create until it stops inserting spaces in the wrong places. See this edit. Superscripts (and symbols that function as superscripts) after a link that support that link in some way are never separated by a space from the link. - Dank (push to talk) 20:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Oops ... I see that FrescoBot isn't listed at Category:Wikipedia bots which are exclusion compliant. If the bot doesn't accept denial requests and repeatedly makes that mistake, I'll have to ask for the bot to be shut down. - Dank (push to talk) 20:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Aargh, good catch, Dank! I've already set {{bots|deny=AWB,FrescoBot}} on several pages. However, I don't think the bot needs to be shut down, as it hasn't edited since 17 August. I'm assuming that that's because Basilicofresco is rethinking strategy a bit. Making it exclusion-compliant would be a good first step, I think, BF. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Agreed on all of that. - Dank (push to talk) 21:04, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
@Dank: Would it help to create a template such as {{Species or genus|Cyperus|imbecillis}} to display Genus species in blue if the article exists and Genus species* (or even Genus species) if not? Then the list would update automatically when a species article is created (or deleted). The coding might be a simplified copy of {{ill}}, which performs a similar task. It would need a couple of optional parameters to link, say, Viola redlinkii to the genus rather than the musical instrument, but such links would need to be piped anyway. Certes (talk) 21:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
If you're willing to do the coding on this, then please ask at WT:PLANTS to see if there's interest in that feature. - Dank (push to talk) 21:35, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dank: Of course it is exclusion compliant. In any case the exclusion is not needed since I can easily add exceptions for this peculiar kind of wikilinks. Consider that it's a pretty old fix and nobody ever complained about it... but I can solve the problem. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 22:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 22:34, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Stuffuser update ww2 to ww3Edit

your wrong about the ww2 stuffuser update ww2 to ww3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.55.11.96 (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

??? I don't think so. ;) -- Basilicofresco (msg) 16:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Samuel Eto'o FilsEdit

I notice that there's a mistake in the number of uefa champions league titles that Samuel Eto'o won. He won four titles but you recorded 3(1 with real Madrid,2 with Barcelona and 1 with Inter Milan). He met the criteria for winning the title as he was in the 27 man squad that won the title in 2000 and played 3 matches for them,totaling 53 minutes. I suggest you make the correction so that people won't be misled. Thanks Emmy jhayy (talk) 02:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi! As you can see in the page history I was not involved in the development of the page Samuel Eto'o. My only contribution was a small correction as FrescoBot, an automated bot. @Emmy jhayy: feel free to modify the article with proper souces. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 15:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Help?Edit

i need help 12:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)12:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CA:4302:ACE0:3C25:D46D:1FF9:2D18 (talk)

How can I help you? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 15:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Samuel Eto'o FilsEdit

How am I going to do that? I need the steps to take. Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmy jhayy (talkcontribs) 16:05, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

@Emmy jhayy: I suggest you to ask it on Talk:Samuel Eto'o page. It's the best way. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 16:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Formatting error after link cleanupEdit

Hi. I've just removed a couple of ' characters from before links in List of African animals extinct in the Holocene, where they were added by your bot during cleanup. Thought you might like to know. Robin S (talk) 22:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

"39 Boo" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

  A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 39 Boo. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 14#39 Boo until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 17:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

List of descriptive plant epithets (I–Z)Edit

The problem is that my watchlist is set up to screen out bot edits. I guess i'll try putting bot edits back in my watchlist, but if it becomes burdensome, then we'll have to go back to denying bot edits in my Featured Lists. The Featured Content processes are, in some ways, incompatible with the bot-centric approach to editing Wikipedia. (Bottom line: it's not your fault or my fault, but the FC processes don't work if we're not respectful of the general idea that reviewers should have a say.) I'll keep an eye on my lists and let you know if there's a bot problem. - Dank (push to talk) 17:15, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Links to draft articlesEdit

Hi Basilicofresco - FrescoBot is creating links to draft articles, by amending ELs to WP, as here and here - as such links contravene MOS:DRAFTNOLINK could it be trained to delete them instead? - Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 10:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Arjayay: Hi! Actually the bot is not creating these links, it is just removing their disguise. The links were already present and active... maybe the links are now just more visible and it is not necessarily a bad thing. Talking about a deletion on sight, well it does not sound easy for an automated software... just look at your first example. Moreover at the moment I'm not authorized for such a task and so I would have to fill a new WP:BRFA. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 18:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
OK - I know the bot "is just removing their disguise" as I said "creating links to draft articles, by amending ELs to WP" - I suggested these should be prevented at the edit filter noticeboard which led to agreement at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested that such links should be automatically prevented, but no-one has, so-far, implemented it - Arjayay (talk) 18:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
@Arjayay: Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. In any case that would mean that I will be forced to leave these ELs to draft ns alone. If you want to filter links to draft ns, then I suggest to filter the external link style as well. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 08:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The fact that bots create such links when articles are moved from main-space to draft-space was raised, and it was agreed that they can easily be excluded - whether this would cover your bot as well, I don't know. You may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested as the initial discussion has been archived. - Arjayay (talk) 09:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
I have now added a brief comment to that thread - you may wish to amplify/improve my explanation - Arjayay (talk) 09:46, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:K-WayEdit

 

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Hi Basilicofresco, thank you for pointing out the circular reference in the draft: Origins Science. I have now fixed that, so is the draft ready for publication now? Thank you, Philandrews04 Philandrews04 (talk) 01:59, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Bot activity - space after italicsEdit

Good morning. I noticed you had deployed one of your BOTs on an article Pi Delta Nu, back on 4 Nov 2020.

You changed this line:

Its motto, as cited soon after WWII, was: "Victory Through Foresight." [1]

by removing the space between the closing "end italics" markup just prior to the reference. Thus rendering:

Its motto, as cited soon after WWII, was: "Victory Through Foresight."[1]

For readability, I disagree with this specific change. When set without that space, the letters that end the prior text are kerned quite close to the start of the reference superscript, and readability is compromised. I think it preferable that in all instances like this, we suppress this BOT change. Perhaps the BOT should be programmed to add such a space where this occurs.

Has this come up before, with any relevant discussion? I didn't see any. Jax MN (talk) 16:51, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jax MN: I added it to the exceptions. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:50, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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