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 The Original Barnstar I'm not sure why you haven't picked up a bevy of these already, but thanks for all your effort, particularly in tracking down good sources with diagrams, etc., on the photography- and color-related articles (not to mention fighting vandalism). Those areas of Wikipedia are much richer for your work. Cheers! —jacobolus (t) 02:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

 The Photographer's Barnstar To Dicklyon on the occasion of your photograph of Ivan Sutherland and his birthday! What a great gift. -User:SusanLesch 04:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

 All Around Amazing Barnstar For your hard work in improving and watching over the Ohm's law article SpinningSpark 00:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

 The Original Barnstar For your improvements to the Centrifugal force articles. Your common sense approach of creating a summary-style article at the simplified title, explaining the broad concepts in a way that is accessible to the general reader and linking to the disambiguated articles, has provided Wikipedia's readership with a desperately needed place to explain in simple terms the basic concepts involved in understanding these related phenomena. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

 The Surreal Barnstar For your comment here which at once admits your own errors with humility yet focusses our attention upon the real villain Egg Centric (talk) 17:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

 The Photographer's Barnstar For your great contribution to Wikipedia in adding pictures and illustrations to articles improving the reader's experience by adding a visual idea to the written information.--Xaleman87 (talk) 05:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

 The Special Barnstar I could not find a barnstar for standing up to an outrageously unjust block so you get a special one. Hang in there. В²C ☎ 23:25, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

 The Resilient Barnstar For your work in standardising article titles in line with the now consistent MOS:JR guidance, I present you this accolade. Your continued work in this regard, and in others, has been appreciated. It may have taken years, but much was accomplished. RGloucester — ☎ 14:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

 The Tireless Contributor Barnstar For an eternity of super-gnoming at WP:Requested moves to rein in entire swathes of article-titling chaos and bring them into order. I'm sure it can seem thankless work at times, so thanks!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  19:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

 Editor of the Week Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

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It is said by many that A picture is worth a thousand words. Wikipedia articles are vastly improved and enhanced by the use of images. Dicklyon's user page displays just some of the over 500 images he has added to Wikipedia articles making the articles more enjoyable and interesting for our most important commodity, our reader. WP:Photography. He is a long-time veteran editor with over 137000 edits (58% in mainspace) who always uses the edit summary to clarify his edits and communicate his intentions to following editors. He also participates in various timely and important WP:Manual of Style discussions to improve what and how we do things around here. A trusted, productive and helpful editor that deserves recognition as an Editor of the Week.

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## Page Mover

Hi. Noting that you are the top contributor of WP:RMT. have you considered asking for Page mover at WP:PERM ? I feel you can save us (yourself included) a lot of time if you do these obvious page moves yourself. Also ping User:Anthony_Appleyard for comments if any. -- 17:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per many past ANIs Didn't we just agree a TBAN on this, only to have it reverted by a "clarification" moments later? I don't believe that Dicklyon has community consensus support for them to have such a right, certainly I oppose it. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm not interested in having more power than a random other editor, because if I used it then people like Andy might have a reason to get on my case. And no, there was never such a ban. And anyway, most of those contributions were from a few years ago when we were implementing MOS:JR, I think, which is also when Mandruss did so many. That is, I made fewer than 1% of the last 15,000 edits there, but a lot in 2016/2017. Dicklyon (talk) 19:30, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Andy Dingley, I am not aware of these cases. My comment was based on my personal interactions with Dicklyon (which were very good) while handling his move requests and the tool statistics.
Dicklyon, if you feel that way, then it is alright. I just wanted to make sure that this possibility has been pondered upon. Cheers and keep up your good work. -- 05:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

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## Mariner disambiguation page

Hi Dicklyon, In January 2017 you were wonderfully helpful in resolving the dispute over the page Ondine. I am involved in a similar dispute over the use of the page name Mariner. See the discussion I have initiated there if you are inclined to help. (I do not know how to turn this discussion into a formal conflict resolution).--Toploftical (talk) 16:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I responded at Talk:Mariner. Dicklyon (talk) 18:10, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Thx. It took me a while to figure out out to do the move request. I also moved (and expanded) all my remarks to the indicated discussion page Talk:Mariner (disambiguation)--Toploftical (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your support.--Toploftical (talk) 15:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I am a bit surprised but with your support, we won the argument! See Mariner. Thanks so much. You said:
• "Note: there are about a hundred uses of the Mariner redirect to Sailor, which I volunteer to fix."
Do you want to stick by that statement ;-) ? I will be glad to help or do it myself if you are too busy.--Toploftical (talk) 16:31, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Feel free to start. I can work on it later today, too. Dicklyon (talk) 16:47, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I've done a few dozen. More later. Dicklyon (talk) 22:08, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
All done. Dicklyon (talk) 06:39, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Good grief! I went to check this morning and you already did them all. Wow and thanks.--Toploftical (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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## McNeely–Strachan House

Where is your evidence that the people who lived in the house were named McNeely and Strachan? If you can point me to something online, I can improve the article faster. Or if you don't have it online, you're welcome to do it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

• Per this 1919 book, p. 24, Mrs. J. D. NcNeely was Hall's daughter. A Mrs. Strachan is mentioned on p. 25, and a Mayor (of Salisbury in 1919) W. B. Strachan on p.8 – not clear what the relationship is. And p. 27 mentions "our young mayor" so we can presume that Mr. Stracham was pretty young at the time (which is relevant as we'll see that he marries Mrs. McNeely's daughter, also named Henrietta).
• This page says Mrs. McNeely was "Henrietta [Hall], who was the wife of Julius D. McNeely."
• this Library of Congress page has "Mrs. W. B. Strachan" as a "related name" for a 1938 photo of the house. Probably the owner at the time.
• The Wells ref, the NRHP inventory–nomination form, has, across pages 7 and 8, "Descendants of the Halls (among whom were the McNeelys and the Strachans from whom comes the present name of the house) have lived there for over a hundred years."
• This forum page says Henrietta McNealy married Waverly Strachan (which other sources verify is the full name of the mayor). I don't know if this is the same Henrietta, or her daughter, but that can probably be estimated.
• this Find-a-grave page shows that Henrietta McNeely Strachan was the daughter of Henrietta Hall McNeely. So, Mrs. McNeely's daughter married the young mayor.
Dicklyon (talk) 17:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I see. I'm not sure what to do with all that, as we're not supposed to draw conclusions. The last one looks helpful.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:24, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Take a look at the McNeely–Strachan House article now. I'll go back to Salisbury in a few weeks but unless I email the people there, I won't have anything new until then, because I'm coming up empty.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. A certain amount of "synth" in summarizing sources is hard to avoid. I added a forum item above that connects McNeely to Strachan. Dicklyon (talk) 19:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I did see lots of references to the mayor. I'll check that out when I ask.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I added another item indicating Henrietta the wife of Mayor Waverly Blackwood Strachan was daughter of Henrietta the daughter of Dr. Hall, above. And finally found a good book source and added info to the article. Dicklyon (talk) 21:37, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

## ANI

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## The Damned

Recently you did one of your usual useless tricks of moving the page by Tassedethe of Evil Spirits (The Damned album) to Evil Spirits (Damned album). Since when did the band change it's name to Damned? Broichmore (talk) 12:38, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

The band didn't change their name. WP:THEMUSIC. Dicklyon (talk) 20:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

## Fellows

Hi Dicklyon! "Fellow of the Royal Society", "Fellow of the British Academy" etc are awards rather than jobs so MOS:JOBTITLE doesn't apply. I've already reverted you moves of the British Academy related pages but I'd appreciate if you restored the others as I'm very busy in real life at the moment. Thanks, Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 21:55, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

I believe those were all in accordance with the recently affirmed consensus to respect WP:JOBTITLES, but you are free to object. We'll discuss. Dicklyon (talk) 01:42, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I also object. They are certainly not job titles as GOA already said, so I don't know why your repeating that link as if it means something useful in this case is helpful. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:40, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

So tell me: which of the words in Category:Honorary Dames Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire would you uncapitalize? "Order" because it's being used in the dictionary meaning? Would you write "united states of America" because "united" and "states" are English words with their dictionary meaning? Because List of Fellows of the Association for Computing Machinery is exactly the same. It's an honor, given by the ACM to certain of their members, called by them "Fellow of the Association for Computing Machinery". It is not a job title, so your invocation of MOS:JOBTITLES is incorrect. (There are "fellows" for whom it is a job title, mostly at English universities. This is not one of those cases.) —David Eppstein (talk) 05:39, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't usually mess with Category names, but things like "Lists of XXXs" don't need caps. The relevant discussions were the various "List of Presidents..." RMs and then the Fellows at WT:MOSCAPS#Capitalization of "List of Fellows of..." etc..
And congrats on your election to ACM Fellow in 2011! Dicklyon (talk) 14:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks...I also have a more recent one, the lesser of the two AAAS's, but we don't have a list for them. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:20, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

In the last month or so, various discussions have gone in favor or lowercase fellows; most recently in Category:Lists of fellows of the Royal Society. I think the only holdouts are the two articles that you reverted my moves of. Are you OK with lowercase by now, or should we do an RM on those? Dicklyon (talk) 04:12, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Where was the discussion on Category:Lists of fellows of the Royal Society? I see nothing at Category talk:Lists of fellows of the Royal Society. And I still see nothing about this on talk pages related to the ones you want to move despite my calls for you to open such a discussion the last time this came around. I hope this is just an oversight rather than some idiosyncratic view that hiding from the editors involved on these lists is the best way to get a disinterested opinion. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_8#Category:Lists_of_Fellows_of_the_Royal_Society. No intention to hide; I can open a discussion on those 2 outlier pages if you think it's warranted. Dicklyon (talk) 05:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm not finding the discussion suggestion you mention. Perhaps it was just implicit in your objection; that's why I'm asking if you still object. Dicklyon (talk) 05:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
So can I go ahead and move those last two, or do you want to see an RM discussion on them? Dicklyon (talk) 05:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

## Tagging of St. Nicholas Cathedral

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on St. Nicholas Cathedral. I do not think that St. Nicholas Cathedral fits any of the speedy deletion criteria  because I do not find the omission of an apostrophe at all implausible. I request that you consider not re-tagging St. Nicholas Cathedral for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:53, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@DESiegel: The deletion request was for "St. Nicholas Cathedral ⋅" which has an odd center-dot character at the end, a very unlikely spelling, obviously a mistake of some sort. Dicklyon (talk) 04:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Sorry I missed thst. I have self-reverted. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 05:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I wonder if you could offer some dash advice at Talk:Tate murders. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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## Total Xposure

That's right, I wanted a merge. I made a mistake requesting a move. Apologies about that. 80.233.56.58 (talk) 17:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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## j'accuse

I don't think this comment is helpful. Please avoid that. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) 16:30, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

My intent was to be helpful. Say why you think it was not. Dicklyon (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Not only am I against inclusionism, I am also concerned that you told a new editor that this is just a game. I don't get awarded any points. There is no leaderboard. WP:V requires sourced content and my comments underline that. You do Wikipedia a disservice by gifting your cynicism to a new editor in that manner. 18:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
OK, you're against inclusionism; that's your right. Looks to me like Eric Kvaalen has been editing Wikipedia for 15 years. Sometimes (rarely) he may get this kind of pushback. When he does, he has to work with it -- "play the game". If 3 refs are needed for a new article to satisfy an anti-inclusionist, find another ref. Not a big deal. Dicklyon (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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## Please engage with other comments on moving "Cost of electricity by source"

Hello! Thanks for weighing in on the move. Would you mind engaging with the other comments on the proposed move? It would help us come to a consensus. Thanks! Sampenrose (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for offering your thought. Sampenrose (talk) 05:50, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Please reply at Talk:Modern Sub Machine Carbine#Requested move 2 December 2019. 03:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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that's the IP I used when I was 7 years old. MDaxo (talk) 08:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Apology accepted! Dicklyon (talk) 22:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
That edit was 12 years ago, long enough ago that we can laugh about it. and you have to admit, that edit is hilarious, i died laughing when i stumbled upon that old IP i used. What was going through my curious 8 year old head that I thought Template:Pooper might be a real template. i thought anything could be a template, even if it wasn't previously created XD MDaxo (talk) 04:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Young brains do tend to over-generalize. Old brains, too. Dicklyon (talk) 05:34, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

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And good riddance. Dicklyon (talk) 02:32, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

## Merry Christmas and all

Happiest of holidays and New Year's to you and yours. As you wake up this morning, head full of sugar plums or whatever you think about, remember that Wikipedia has millions of pages just waiting to be improved on those semi-cold winter nights. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:29, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Randy! Merry Christmas to you and yours, too! I'm with a few dozen relatives, including all 8 of my siblings, in El Paso for Christmas. You can read about another few hundred relatives including "Aunt Helen" at this article I made recently: Dewees, Texas. Dicklyon (talk) 18:25, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

## MRT names

Hi, I am the person who made the edits. Earlier on, the contributors had a discussion and agreed to change the names of the MRT pages to a 'L' instead of 'l' to align with official convention. Any idea how to move the pages, cause I ran into errors doing so. Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 06:56, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

The usual way would be to have a multi-RM discussion via the instructions at WP:RM. Discussions among more localized contributors don't really cut it, as they tend to go off on weird specializations such as capping stuff they care about. Dicklyon (talk) 06:59, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

## RE:Data update needed

ToThAc, so you have a map I could start from? Or should I just draw the new bit? Dicklyon (talk) 16:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
You will need to draw the new route. It may take some time since as I mentioned before, you will need to overwrite some data already present on the page. ToThAc (talk) 18:50, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
OK, I hacked it, without Earth. With a little help from Matlab I figured out that the 3rd coordinate is something like cumulative distance in minutes, which seems weird, but I did it. I presume this is all documented some place, but I'm not finding it. Dicklyon (talk) 20:15, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

## Proposed deletion of IBM labs Brazil, Australia, and Africa pages

Greetings, User:Dicklyon. I am sure you are aware of the new discussions at these pages, as User:Piotrus is seeking deletion again over my rebuff and your revert:

Your input at these pages would be most welcome. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 15:15, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Wow, User:Poitrus is really proving an, uh, pill, at the above pages. And a nakedly dishonest one. Looks like you are up to bat, if you are willing.
Loved your pictures at your User page. Looked at a ton of them yesterday. How do you get the aerials? Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
First-class window seat (to be well in front of the wing) and a cell phone up against the window. Often with a black cloth to reduce reflections of stuff inside. Dicklyon (talk) 16:20, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Only saw the outcome of this delete just now, here. I can't believe how absurd - and surreal - the entire experience was. It was totally Orwellian, with the claim of the character who closed the discussion and forwarded the page to execution being completely preposterous - as the entire thing had been from the get-go. Man, it really forces one to question why good people bother. It is one nightmare after another like this here, with the inmates ruling the asylum.

Wikipedia boasts what now, three million, six million, articles? And somebody (completely unwilling to do any actual good at the encyclopedia and say cull out the endless amounts of drek and nonsense in it, just in its "In popular culture" sections alone) had to doggedly go after totally harmless but valid tiny articles on international IBM laboratories, which then get erased without a trace (without anyone having to be held responsible for properly integrating their contents into the article where it was supposed to have been). Other drive-bys with absolutely no reason or substance to their arguments appear out of the vapors and pig-pile on. Then the Wizard in Chief shows up and in purely Alice in Wonderland fashion declares the losers the winners, pronounces sentence, and arbitrarily closes discussion, telling the dissenters (in so many words) to "Archive it, baby!" Gee willikers. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 01:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

## Moon in June

Dick, please stop these type of edits. If you are going to insist that lower-casing Moon is correct please do so in one place in a well-publicized RfC and not on one localized page move. Are you going to make us saddle-up and go on one of these three month donnybrooks (and I've never used that word before, to show the amount of donnybrookness you and I are both capable of). Moon and Sun are proper names, for real things that are so evident in human existence that most sources ignore the fact that they are properly named actual objects (one of them, the Sun, being such an actual object that humans can't wrap their mind around it and tend to ignore its reality as a "thing", a thing with a proper name according to MOS). Randy Kryn (talk) 04:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I've got an RM discussion on one of these where I mention how you capped them all a year ago. Don't know how you decided all those that are commonly lowercase in sources are to be capped in WP style that says only in an astronomical context. I agree a bigger discussion is in order. When was the last time we had a big one on this? May the sun brighten your day, and the moon your night. Dicklyon (talk) 04:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Bring it on, as the kids say, and call in Stan and Tony and the rest. And the Sun doesn't brighten the day as an astronomical object, what you're referring to is sunlight, as in "may the sunlight disinfect your need to lower-case the name of our local star". Randy Kryn (talk) 05:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
• This, unlike your lowercasing on Ships WT:WikiProject Ships#Capitalisation (yet again), is about writing style, not about sourcing. Are you seriously suggesting that it's at all questionable that the Moon is treated as a proper name? (and that it needs a better source to show that) Really? Do you actually mean that?
Our convention presumably (commonplace across style guides) is that the noun form would be treated as a proper noun, the adjectival form would not. So "the longest moon landing" and "moon rock" might rightly downcase, but "propel the spacecraft towards the Moon" should stay.
I would ask this yet again (because these edits certainly don't demonstrate the converse), do you do any editing here which isn't just to remove correct capitalisation over the protests of others? Andy Dingley (talk) 08:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
• That's like lower-casing "mars rock" or "jupiter gas sample". When used as a descriptor in that way 'Moon rock' is accurate as long as the astronomical body 'Moon' itself is capitalized, as in MOS. As for Dick's contributions, I must rise to his defense as he is a prolific and extremely productive editor here, and a Wikipedian photographer of the first order. Cases like this are outliers, and happen only when he gets moondust in his eyes (as opposed to Moon dust). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
That's like lower-casing "mars rock" or "jupiter gas sample". Well not really, as there are no marses or jupiters in the universe. But I agree that the Moon is Earth's moon, regardless of "astronomical context", whatever that means. And damn them, whoever they were, for deciding to use the same word for a common moon and the proper Moon, like saying we live on Planet. ―Mandruss  16:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
The Moon and Sun were named long before anyone knew there were more stars and moons loose in the cosmos, and instead of naming the newly found class of moons of Jupiter something else they just reused the name. Please do an RM on Earth per Planet (Daily Planet will booster the case) on April 1, that'd be a fun one. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
they just reused the name. I understand. And damn them, as I said. "Satellite" would have sufficed just fine for the generic. Apparently they failed to anticipate Wikipedia MoS wars. Of course that's water under bridge and just tangential noise for the purposes of this discussion. ―Mandruss  16:15, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
• But we would conventionally lowercase "martian rock" and "jovian gas". The confusion arises because we use "Moon" and "moon" in two ways, we don't use "lunar" so much, we tend to the (uncapitalised, adjectival) "moon" form more often. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
If Dick or others want to make a source-based argument for lower-casing the Moon, I'll be swayed by evidence that 80% or more of reliable sources support their positions, without selectivity beyond the usual RS filtering (i.e. I wouldn't buy that certain reliable sources are more authoritative than others as to this capitalization). I don't see anywhere close to that 80% based on a brief look, and my dictionary says merely "often capitalized". Absent that evidence I'll rely on what makes sense to me, including weighing of editor cost against reader benefit in what is a fairly arbitrary choice. If we're in agreement that an RfC is in order, I don't see any reason to discuss further here; just tell me which page I should watch for the RfC. ―Mandruss  18:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
The argument I made at Talk:Stolen_and_missing_Moon_rocks#Requested_move_21_January_2020 is from book ngrams. It pretty clearly indicates that "moon rocks" is overwhelming not capping "moon". My MOS-based argument about what "in an astronomical context" means is going down in flames, however. Dicklyon (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Yet again, out of context ngrams are no more accurate than engrams. They are not RS sources! Andy Dingley (talk) 19:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
The context of the n-gram stats is books, most of which are probably RSs; I agree that stats are not RS themselves. And yes, I agree it's hard to know how many of the capped instances are in titles and headings and such, so the amount of capping tends to be exaggerated compared to what's in sentences. If you have better stats on sources, let us know. Dicklyon (talk) 03:50, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
A quick look through [www.britannica.com www.britannica.com] (as far as you get without paying) shows "the Moon" a number of times, but the adjective case seem to be lunar. It does seem to me that the adjective moon should be lower case. Gah4 (talk) 10:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

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## Naming of French railway station articles

There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/France_and_French-related_articles#Naming_of_French_railway_station_articles where your input would be helpful. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

## CRS-20

It reads very badly. — CRS-20 (talk) 23:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

??? Dicklyon (talk) 23:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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## why

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## COVID-19 Wuhan Naming

[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]. I understand your argument to retain the naming of Wuhan as "Wuhan, China (capital of...)", but it's simply unnecessary. Wuhan, Hubei is much simpler, given that this wiki page is meant to educate people about the history of the virus rather than how provinces and cities work in China. I am sure that most, if not all people who can read English know how capital cities work. I am open to more discussion. JMonkey2006 (talk) 06:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I was mainly struck by the rationale in your edit summary. It does not seem to me that it's appropriate to "standardize" the presentation of foreign city names to the way we do US cities for mainly US audiences. In particular, "Wuhan, Hubei" will not be as recognizable to a worldwide audience as a city in China as "Wuhan, China" would be. I don't know if there's style guidance about this, but you could ask on the article talk page and see if your change gets much support. Dicklyon (talk) 17:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

## Station name convention

Hi, I have a quick question. According to station name convention, you mentioned that "station" is not capitalized. Is there a special reason why all Japanese railway stations have "station" capitalized? A few examples:

Thank you 2A0A:A543:F68:0:3018:1384:5D22:A684 (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

No special reason that I'm aware of. We should work on those. Dicklyon (talk) 19:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

## Korean station caps

Stop moving Station to station in North Korea. Talk:Achasan station#Requested move 20 January 2018 is restricted to South Korean railway stations. If you want to move, open WP:requested moves. Sawol (talk) 14:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know of any prior objection to following normal WP style for North Korea, nor was there any mention of North or South in the RM discussion you linked that shows a consensus for such moves. Has there been any discussion or objection to that? Tons of discussions support following WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS for stations and such. Dicklyon (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Also per Wikipedia:Page_mover#Page_move_disputes you appear to have violated the expectation of conduct with page mover right, as you've used it to gain the upper hand in a title dispute (the dispute that you just started here and by undoing all my case fixes on North Korean stations). Please revert yourself. Dicklyon (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
@Sawol: in case you didn't see my replies yet. Dicklyon (talk) 23:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
"To clarify, as regards the Japanese station, the decision is no consensus." at Talk:Achasan station#Requested move 20 January 2018. If you want to move stations in North Korea and Japan, open new WP:requested moves, respectively. Cheers. Sawol (talk) 01:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
That's why I held off on Japanese stations and was only doing Korean stations for now. Dicklyon (talk) 02:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sawol: I have requested a third opinion, at Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Active_disagreements. Dicklyon (talk) 02:53, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

• Last time I looked, Korean has no upper/lower case distinction. All of the major English-language style guides now say to minimise capping. This is already the case generally for "station" in the strong majority of articles (including, I think, those in South Korea). What is so special about North Korean stations—or is this vanity capitalisation? Tony (talk) 05:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I've come here from the linked 3rd opinion request, but can't see a link to the moved article(s) here. Could you provide one for context? (not necessarily giving a 3rd opinion, just asking for more info). Thanks, Quuxbazbarfoo (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
See Sawol's move log, recent "* station" moves (ones I had previously moved to lowercase station). The log also shows the round-robin moves that leveraged his page-mover rights. Dicklyon (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
• We should go with lower-case, per MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, WP:CONSISTENT, and a zillion previous RM discussions about lower-case with "station", "line", etc. There's nothing magically special about Korean ones, most especially given that the language doesn't even have case distinctions. First rule of MOS:CAPS: if in doubt, use lower-case. 22:07, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. Station naming is a settled issue now, across the board and by repeated sitewide consensus. These should all be speedily moved, Japanese and Korean too.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Can Sawol's inappropriate move reverts be speedily reverted so I can proceed? Or should I go to a multi RM discussion yet again? Dicklyon (talk) 22:41, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I went ahead and started an RM discussion: Talk:Pyongyang_Station#Requested_move_5_May_2020. Dicklyon (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

## NRHP station names

Hello. I have undone all these case changes, because these are all proper names according to the National Register of Historic Places. WP:NRHPMOS#When_common_name_differs_from_NRHP_name says When the official NRHP name differs from the common name for a historic site, we still want the NRHP infobox to display the NRHP name, because this informs readers that this article is indeed the one which covers the NRHP listing of that name.

The NRHP name is the proper noun, so it is capitalized in title case, not in sentence case. I agree that the best capitalization for these sentences is sentence case, e.g. "28th Street subway station" for 28th Street station (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line). However, for the NRHP infobox, it's treated as a proper noun because that is the name of the "document" under which it's listed in the NRHP. epicgenius (talk) 13:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I suppose we do seem to have the convention of adopting the NRHP's title-case style for their listings, though I'm not sure why. I made a query about this as Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#NRHP style, but got nothing. The bit you quote above I would normally interpret to be about the name, but not the styling of the name. Dicklyon (talk) 03:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

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## RE: Edits to Small-signal model

Dicklyon,

I've made the edits that I have time for. The article seems to be bending a bit toward a tutorial rather than an encyclopedic reference, and maybe I have bent it further in that direction. I'm not sure of Wikipedia's bounds on that. In my experience the matters of the use of subscripts and the distinction between large and small signals are definitely of great interest to my students, and furthermore, the article as it stood IMHO did not pointedly help students work through the issues toward clarity but instead perpetrated some fuzzy thinking.

If opinions vary from mine, I can understand. Even though the small-signal modeling technique is probably about a century old, textbooks vary in how they treat it and especially in the particular word choices (bias, average value, DC, etc). BTW even the definition of what constitutes and "AC signal" is not fully agreed upon within the engineering community. (How many kinds of signals are there? Two kinds, as in AC or DC? Or are there three kinds, as in AC, DC, and other?)

I did what I could in a few minutes to be helpful to students and left it at that. The article needs lots of work if you want to bend it toward an encyclopedic treatment of the topic IMHO.

Regards,

dDB
Doug iowa (talk) 17:47, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Doug. I see we have a lot in common in our technical backgrounds, from memory cells to communication waveforms. See a bit about me on my user page User:Dicklyon. I'll take a look at your edits. It's good to expect opinions to vary, and a lot of articles like this one tend to languish with problems until someone take a WP:BOLD action, and then collaboration happens, sometimes in a friendly and sometimes not. Go with the flow. Dicklyon (talk) 17:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
My book gets into small-signal stuff in various places. The AGC loop linearization (section 11.6) is sort of like how PLLs are linearized; but this is not so close to the usual small-signal stuff. The more usual aspect shows up in a few places like section 10.4 where I invoke small-signal without definition. The problem of knowing too much... Dicklyon (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Your edits are good. Still need sources. I made a bunch of cosmetic and wording changes that you can review at this diff. Note that we prefer to use the two-apostrophe wiki markup for italics, rather than the html. Let me know if you disagree with any of my copyedits, and we can discuss. Dicklyon (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Dicklyon, Your touch-ups seem spot on. Thanks.

BTW your book looks very interesting to me. One of the more interesting senior projects I've advised in my career was the installation of a student-designed hearing-loop transmitting antenna in a house of worship. When we first turned the whole system on and commissioned it the intensity of the positive reactions from worshipers astounded me. There were tears of joy. I never would have guessed. I also happen to be a licensed PE in Iowa and need PDH hours on a biannual basis. Ever since that experience I've had my eye out for some training in hearing-loop technology that I might use for PDH credit. The senior project was a simple parimeter-loop system in a wood-frame building, so modeling the feild-strengh in 3D in order obtain an antenna reasonably optimized for the venue was pretty straightforwared. I've become interested in how more complicated venues are modeled and dealt with. So far, I have found none in the USA or Canada and only one in England which I unfortunately could not fit into my schedule. If you are aware of anything in this field I'm all ears! (Bad pun I suppose ;-) Doug iowa (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Doug, I used the wikipedia email feature to send you contact info for a guy who is into hearing loops. He'll be happy to hear of your experience there. Dicklyon (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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## Thörishaus Station railway station

I don't know if you're going to find Thörishaus Station railway station's name as amusing/frustrating as I did, but I thought of you while working on it so I thought I'd pass it along. Mackensen (talk) 23:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's a fun one! Thanks for thinking of me. Dicklyon (talk) 01:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

## Continued disruption

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## Draft discussion

Any way you could do your numbers magic and get a fairly solid number one way or another? Primergrey (talk) 02:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

You referring to the NFL draft, or the NHL amateur draft? Both are pretty solid; see NFL ngrams; the other is too sparse to show up in ngrams, but see 20th century books. Dicklyon (talk) 02:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of the NFL one. Did you post this at the talk pages? I must have missed it if you did. But I'm smoking so much dope since the lockdown I can't stop playing Rising Storm long enough to remember anything. Primergrey (talk) 01:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea. See WP:AN/I; search for my name. Dicklyon (talk) 01:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
there's work to be done on the NFL draft. See book stats.

## "Reorganionation"

Indeed it's a typo. Thanks for the reminder. I've fixed it. — Hemant Dabral (📞) 05:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

## Green Line

Since I'm sure you'll wish to change the case on the station articles, could you also add {{MBTA Subway Stations‎}} and remove {{Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority}} (per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL)? Two birds with one stone edit and all that. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Can you explain your suggestion a bit more please? I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Dicklyon (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Currently, the Green Line stations have a mix of the two templates - some have one or the other, some both, and some none. Only the stations template should be there; the agency template is too broad. It's not worth making separate edits just to fix, but it'd be a welcome addition if you're planning to go through changing the case of 'branch'. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Starting to look for station articles that need edits, so far I haven't come upon a use of {{MBTA Subway Stations‎}}. Maybe show me one that does it the way you prefer and I'll try to emulate that. Dicklyon (talk) 04:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
It's a newer template; I haven't remember to add it many places. Science Park station (MBTA) is how it should look. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't find any any with {{Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority}} to remove. Dicklyon (talk) 17:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I finally figured out how to use JWB, and used it to fix the branch styling. Let me know if you see any where I messed up. Dicklyon (talk) 17:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, let's see. Despite this thread, you didn't {{MBTA Subway Stations‎}} and remove {{Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority}} anywhere. You've been seemingly randomly decapitalizing names, now based on what is pretty clearly a typo. I've had to fix several issues that indicate you didn't even preview the page before saving. You're actively stalking my edits. And through all of this, you haven't made a single non-style edit like adding citations, despite your claims of looking at numerous sources. Regardless of your presumably good intentions, from the perspective of someone who's working to expand and improve these articles, the net result of your editing of these articles is indistinguishable from trolling. Please give it a rest. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I didn't see a good way to do the templates with JWB; still learning. There's nothing wrong with just style fixing. Dicklyon (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

If by typo you mean the lowercase "central subway" in the cited source, then look at these; are they all typos? [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. Dicklyon (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Multiple links referring to the central portion of the MBTA subway system as a whole, a book where it's capitalized two paragraphs later as a proper name, and a user comment on a news blog? Oh yeah, I'm convinced, big time. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Are there sources that you think distinguish something with proper name "Central Subway" from the multiple tunnels that make up the central portion of Boston's subway system? If so, what is the thing so named? What sources make this clear, if any? Dicklyon (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
CTPS passenger survey, MBTA Ridership and Service Statistics, the Central Area Systems Study (likely where the name originated), TRB paper, court filing, MassDOT technical report, MIT graduate thesis, both of Clarke's major works. All of which very clearly referring to the Green Line tunnels as "Central Subway". Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't doubt that many sources cap it, just like many sources don't. What I was asking was whether the capped version is the proper name of something, and if that thing is different from what the lowercase "central subway" is. It seems to me they're the same, and that what we're seeing is the nonessential use of caps. At least one of your sources does define what it refers to. First indirectly: "The Green Line consists of the Central Subway (Kenmore to North Station, plus the elevated section from North Station to Lechmere) plus the four surface branches, lettered B through E." and then by what it includes: "The Central Subway includes the east-west Boylston Street Subway, the north-south Tremont Street Subway, the northwest-southeast Lechmere Viaduct, and the southwest-northeast Huntington Avenue Subway." So basically, a bunch of stuff, the same as what "central subway" lowercase refers to, as far as I can tell. And he's capping a bunch of things that other sources don't like "subway" in the other contexts; so at least he's self-consistent, though he doesn't do much for getting this one over the MOS:CAPS threshold. Dicklyon (talk) 05:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

## Imperial-Royal

Hi Dick, thank you for your contribution to the debate on the Imperial (and?) Royal Austrian State Railways. It's a tricky one, with few sources to go on. However, I see you recently moved the above article from "Imperial-Royal" to "Imperial-royal" with the comment: "case fix; not German". In fact, the title had nothing to do with its German format which is always lower case i.e. kaiserlich-königlich for Germano-grammatical reasons that I could explain. Looking at Google Books, the English phrase (when used in the Austrian context of the article) seems to appear overwhelming in title case as part of a proper name with a few examples of lower case, but only when the author has put the whole proper name in lower case, which is not accepted Wikipedia or English practice. So I wonder if we should move it back to Imperial-Royal, but perhaps with an explanatory note? Bermicourt (talk) 08:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, yes, "not German" was lame, simce it's not a noun, nor pair of nouns. But in English, it also can't be a proper name or proper noun, nor are the words parts of proper names. So it's hard to see how caps can make and sense. Maybe, like at the other discussion discussion, the phrase "imperial and royal" would make a better title. Dicklyon (talk) 16:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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## The various Stony Brooks

Thanks for reorganizing the names. You know the rules a lot better than I do. But isn't Stony Brook (Middlesex County, Massachusetts) problematic? Stony Brook (Merrimack River tributary) is, I believe, also entirely contained in Middlesex County, which is why I moved the Weston one. It seems strange to name them by two different conventions, especially where the second designation is also correct for the first river. In any case, I'm happy someone is thinking about all this, and happy that it's not me :-) --Macrakis (talk) 21:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Well I hadn't looked at that other one. This does get tricky, when neither the county nor the main river is enough to make it unambiguous. It's not necessary that they have the same disambiguator style; whatever works. But if you mention a main river, don't leave out "tributary". I think the Boston one and the Merrimack River tributary one can stay, but the other one in Middlesex County might need the double disambiguator. Dicklyon (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that's why I'd named it Stony Brook (Charles River, Weston), as I said in my edit summary. So Stony Brook (Charles River tributary, Weston) would work. The other one could be Stony Brook (Merrimack River tributary, Chelmsford). In both cases the town name is where the river empties into the parent river. Naming by county is problematic in Massachusetts, because they're rarely talked about except for the court system, and most of them don't even have county-level government. --Macrakis (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
The Chelmsford would be extra unnecessary disambiguation, so don't do that. The Weston one you could move as proposed. Or even better, just use the city Weston, like we did Boston, because that's enough, and because mentioning the Charles doesn't help to disambiguate here. Dicklyon (talk) 22:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Hmm. There are dozens of Westons. Though Weston suffices to make the title unique, it doesn't suffice to make it clear. After all, if clarity isn't required, just uniqueness, we could drop the "tributary" and the "River", e.g., Stony Brook (Merrimack)... --Macrakis (talk) 16:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Probably Weston, Massachusetts, would be better? Dicklyon (talk) 02:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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## John W. Reynolds Sr. edit

Hi - just a friendly heads up that I noticed an accidentally removed bracket [[9]] corrupted the infobox syntax for the John W. Reynolds Sr. article. The only reason I noticed it is I was searching for info about "unbulleted list" and the article came up at top of the results because the template syntax was turned into searchable text. I corrected it. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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## Median of chi-square distribution

Hi there Dicklyon [unsure of etiquette here, do I reply here or on my page?] If I didn't know better, I'd say that that result came from wikipedia. If pressed, I'd say it was copied from Kendall and Stuart (but the NZ lockdown means that I am stuck at home, away from my books, so I can't be sure). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinh (talkcontribs)

@Robinh: usually one replies where the thread started, but this is OK, too. If you figure out where it came from, do let me know. I'm working on a paper with good approximations to median of gamma distribution, which will also apply to chi square. I'm away from my books, too, which sucks; but I don't have that book. Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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## Spaces

Surely you know that ...uvw. Xyz..., ...uvw. Xyz..., and even ...uvw. Xyz... all come out the same in the rendered version? (See source). So it really doesn't matter which form you prefer and the spaces you put back in have had no visible effect.

Yes, I agree it is irritating when you have to check an IP edit only to find that is because they believe obsessively in "full-stop space capital" or "full stop double-space capital letter" being the only true style. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I know that spacing in the source matters only to editors, not to readers, which is why it's so irritating when editors squeeze out spaces that make the source easier to read. Dicklyon (talk) 02:19, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Ah, ok. yes, I see now what you mean. I like clear space between parameters in {{cite}}s and some people like to do a new line for each parameter, which I leave as they are. In this case, the removals were just en passant captures rather than the editor set out to "tidy up": I'd have totally agreed with you had that been the case. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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## "Bolesław Prus" edits

Thank you for your edits on "Bolesław Prus".

Three editors in a row had introduced changes that included errors, so I hastily reverted all three. I believe I've managed to correct the errors, which in your case included the mangling of a reference.

In any case, I do appreciate your work on the article.

Best, Nihil novi (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Dicklyon (talk) 20:55, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

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## mean square

Note this edit. "Mean square" in this article means what it normally means in the context of ANOVA. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Good. I updated mean square to also reflect that definition there and link back to it. Dicklyon (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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## pings not working?

Hey there -- you left a comment on my talk page I don't understand. It says "For a ping to work, it has to be in a paragraph with a new signature. Perhaps a new paragraph with a new signature. So try all those again." Would you mind clarifying what this is in reference to? Thank you. Jessamyn (talk) 15:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The valid user page link (or template that generates one, such as `{{ping}}` or `{{u}}`) must be added in the same edit as a valid signature, otherwise no notification (ping) is generated. Adding a ping after the fact does nothing except to misleadingly make it appear as if a notification was sent. For more information, see Help:Fixing failed pings. ―Mandruss  17:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually I can't find where you added a ping after the fact, so it's possible Dicklyon made a mistake and helped the wrong editor. In that case you have just learned something you didn't need to know (yet). ―Mandruss  17:12, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I seem to have landed on the wrong user's talk page. It was about this, which I've now told the right user, I hope. Dicklyon (talk) 02:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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## ellipse talk page

I see in the main article in the section Area it says "the area formula π${\displaystyle ab}$  is intuituve start with a circle of radius (b) so its area is π${\displaystyle b^{2}}$  this is what I want to be changed to (r) because a circle does not have a semi-major axis (b) as implied. you are not confused I was talking about a reference to a circle in the ellipse article lets I deleted that sandbox post I mentioned but I'm working on a new one ${\displaystyle (r+r)/2=r}$  so ${\displaystyle (a+b)/2=x}$  I hope this eplains the relation of a circle to an ellipse that's all I was desputing in my first descussion that was also locked that guy Jasper reported me for sockpuppeting because I did not have the box checked to say signed in and was posting with my ip and username don't listen to a poser gatekeeper that can't follow the rules of a talk page and reports people for honest mistakes19dreiundachtzig (talk) 21:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

There's no relevant different there between using symbol b or r, except that r seems misleading. Dicklyon (talk) 01:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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## Open-source-software movement

You and Tony being quite knowledgeable about such things, I'd like to ask you to have a look at my talk-page post regarding the article's title and see if my logic seems correct. Thank you. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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