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WELCOME!! Hello, Derek R Bullamore! I want to personally welcome you on behalf of the Wikipedia community. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you haven't already, you can put yourself in the new user log and the list of users so you can be properly introduced to everyone. Don't forget to be bold, and don't be afraid of hungry Wikipedians...there's a rule about not biting newcomers. Some other good links are the tutorial, how to edit a page, or if you're really stuck, see the help pages. Wikipedia is held up by Five Pillars...I recommend reading about them if you haven't already. Finally, it would be really helpful if you would sign your name on talk pages, so people can get back to you quickly. It's easy to do this by clicking the button (next to the one with the "W" crossed out) one from the end on the left. If that's confusing, or if you have any questions, feel free to drop me a at my talk page (by clicking the plus sign (+) next to the tab at the top that says "edit this page")...and again, welcome!--ViolinGirl 00:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


Hello! Thank you for the past request for additional citations on the RinneRadio article, which was outdated. I have now updated all the references for verification. Can you please check and remove the request, if everything is alright? I have also edited and extended the content with more up-to-date information. BR, Joonas Kervinen — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoulllJay (talkcontribs) 15:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I have given the article a polish, avoiding excessive wikilinking (particularly of countries) and re-formatting various titles etc. I have not checked whether the sources actually support the text - I will leave that to other editors who may have more of an interest in, and/or knowledge of, this band. I have not removed the citation request tag as the discography is not referenced at all, and there is at least one sentence in the text which needs support - otherwise that might appear to be an editor's personal opinion eg WP:OR. Otherwise, as far as I can see, you have done a pretty good job. Bravo. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, all the editing as well as your feedback! I'm just very worried that the tag will stay on the article page for a long time, maybe months or even years until anybody will remove it, because most probably nobody will know what was the problem in the first place and start investigating the matter. And naturally the tag takes a lot away of the reliability of the article... That's why I suggested removing it and if anyone else will find problems with the current references, it could be added again. What do you think? I have re-edited the sentence, which you found problematic in order to fully match the content behind the reference link. I hope it's okay now! Regarding the discography references, that would be such a big effort to do for all the RinneRadio releases that it would easily more than double the work with all the hard-to-find details and is not currently a realistic option in any way. Many thanks and best regards, Joonas — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoulllJay (talk

Good work. I have added a reference for the albums, from AllMusic, and removed the tag. Best wishes - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! And maybe in the future we will have all the album details referenced in Wikipedia as well, that would be the next step so thanks for pointing that out, too! Best wishes, Joonas — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoulllJay (talk —Preceding undated comment added 16:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Union Of Knives: New articleEdit

Hi there, I've just started a new article for Union of Knives. As you have helped contribute to the Baby Chaos article in the past, could I ask your thoughts on this please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Union_Of_Knives Many thanks VPeck (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

As you have already submitted this for a wider-ranging review, I will restrict my input to improving the referencing and formatting. The only problem I foresee relates to notability. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks for your help with that - I had run out of steam VPeck (talk) 11:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Isla CameronEdit

Hi Could you take a look at this article's talkpage and let me know there your opinion of what I have said. Aineireland (talk) 22:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aineireland: I have replied on the article's talk page. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Peter Perrett (musician)Edit

A user is playing games with the Peter Perrett article. They’ve moved it to a new page, then created their own article with few refs for someone whose actual name was Pieter! I am unable to correct it myself🙁🙁🙁

I think you are getting confused between Peter Perrett, an English musician and Peter Perret, a Flemish engraver. Two completely different people, hence two separate articles. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
The editor of the new article should never have moved the existing article from Peter Perrett to Peter Perrett (musician) - there was no need to do that at all, as the new article uses a different spelling and a simple hatnote would have sufficed. Someone could ask an admin to move it back... or doesn't it matter? Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Well, I am not much fussed either way - but I am sure there will be an editing guideline on these matters hidden away somewhere in the Ministry of Sound. Please feel free to ask an admin, if it offends you, or seriously transgresses the said editing whatnot. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi. The Perrett article shouldn’t have been moved, especially when the other article is just wrong - no refs for an engraver with the name?!

I have just remembered this old login, but am editing using a mobile which is somewhat diifficult. I have moved the other article, but can’t seem to move the original article back. Help much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbone556 (talkcontribs) 15:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I am pretty sure this will need the attention of an administrator. Try contacting someone from this list of admins for assistance. I would suggest you do not attempt further 'moves' yourself as this is getting to be a real muddle. I am opting out here. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

It just says an auto confirmed user is required to revert back. The issue is quite simple - the original page was incorrectly moved to create a disam page, despite the new article having both a different first name AND last name.

Possibly - but as I said earlier, I am opting out on this one. You need to ask elsewhere. Just a word to the wise - firstly, you need to sign your talk posts with 4xtildes (~), so everyone knows who is contacting who here, and secondly, some things are really not worth the fight. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:12, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing 'need for citations' template?Edit

Hello Derek,

I've been editing the entry for Pascal Gabriel, on which you've posted a 'need for citations' template. I've added several new citations - I'm not sure whether that's enough to remove the template or how many more / what sort are needed, please can you advise?

Also can you advise on getting a new entry listed for Pascal Gabriel's project Stubbleman? I've started making a draft page but I need some help with it!

many thanks!

Trigopie (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Trigopie. Well done on adding some references for the Pascal Gabriel article, but truth be told, it does need much more before the template can be removed. In short, each paragraph needs at least one reference to support the text, maybe more, if the sentences within originate from differing sources. Also the 'Selected production credits' section is well short of citations. Logically each line needs a referenced source, whereas only two or three presently have such accreditation. For that section you may be lucky and find that the blue linked articles shown within that section might have a reference, which could be 'copied across'. Otherwise, AllMusic can be a good starting point.
As far as 'Stubbleman' is concerned, I do wonder whether it is notable in its own right. What makes it so distinct from Gabriel to warrant a separate article ? How many sources can you find to support a separate entity ? Without spending much more of my time on this, can not Stubbleman simply be incorporated within Gabriel's own article. I hope this gives you some food for thought. You are probably aware that editing guidelines are available for editors within Wikipedia; but these may warrant you taking a second look.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Six years!

I enjoyed having the TFA yesterday, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk)

Memory lossEdit

Must be getting old... I have no memory at all of making these changes. Still, I'll get around to working on it... so long as I don't get too distracted by Happy Fanny Fields (or her Four Little Dutchmen), that is... Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:32, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I am getting old and when I am questioned about some such edits from weeks/months/years ago, some editors seem quite surprised I do not recollect every detail or rationale. Anyhow on a happier note, I do feel there can never be enough Fanny's, happy or otherwise. Go for it ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
I have cheekily added copious crap to C. W. Murphy, so I have. Consequently if you hear someone singing "Has Anybody Here Kicked Bully?"; then I rather wish I could be convalescing in the Isle of Man. In Douglas... eating Queenies... leaning against a statue of that gormless Lancastrian... and giving it a little tickle, or two, around the shin.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Bare link citesEdit

Hi, I don't know if this is an oversight, but you seem to have converted properly formatted cites here to bare URLs [1]. ♟♙ (talk) 15:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

A short term measure to achieve the 'final result'. No bare URLs now at Wally Nightingale. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:15, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Assistance with an Article for CreationEdit

Hello Derek!

First of all, my name is Calvin, and I am currently working on my first ever Article for Creation! I come to your talk page to ask for assistance with said AfC, and I found your user page through the history page for the Gravity Kills article. The AfC in question is for Kurt Kerns (Draft:Kurt Kerns) who was one of the founding members of Gravity Kills, so I wanted to reach out to you because you may have seen his name already from editing that page. Additionally, I see that you are a fan of popular music, and Kerns was indeed a popular musician!

The Article for Creation has hit numerous blocks for not passing notability guidelines, and just today the editor that Rejected the draft told me that he was not convinced, and I should try to ask another editor for their opinion. I would love for you to take a look at the page if you have time and let me know what you think! If you look at the draft's talk page, you can see the dialogue I had with the other editor about the AfC meeting the WP:AUTHOR guidelines, and his reasoning for Rejecting. After leaving Gravity Kills, Kerns has gone on to become a notable architect, so I am interested what you think of that perspective.

Any assistance would be much appreciated, and I look forward to receiving your input. Thank you!

Calvin Foss (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Calvin,
I have read the draft article, which you have clearly spent some considerable time and energy in creating. My knowledge of music may be extensive, but I know next to nothing about architects ! However, I must concur with other editors who have passed comment on this case, and state that Kerns simply is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Sorry, but that is my considered opinion.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your time!
Calvin Foss (talk) 21:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Severe Tire DamageEdit

Derek, thanks for your edit there. Let me know if you see particular items that need citations, and I'll look through the 5 cited sources and/or look for others to see if they can be sourced. Dicklyon (talk) 19:15, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

For starters, the whole section marked as 'Other uses' is completely unsourced, as is the band personnel section. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
I'll work on that. Dicklyon (talk) 23:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Band leadsEdit

Why do you insist on adding "United States" after the band has been described as "American"? They're usually always in the same sentence and it's essentially redundant. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Peter GuralnickEdit

Hello Derek. I read a review of Mr. Guralnick's latest book in the Wall Street Journal this morning and, although I've not yet read the book (or any other of his works) was impressed. So I looked him up on Wikipedia and found the template you had placed on his article eight years ago. I added several citations, as well as some updated information (all cited properly I hope.), as have other editors. I can see there are several other paragraphs where citations are necessary, but thought I'd ask you your take on "When can we take down the template box?" Mr. Guralnick is certainly worthy of a BLP. I'm more than willing to keep editing, but wondered if you could let me know how close I am to what you thought the article needs. I'm already the most prolific editor on the page - and I just started this morning! Cleveland Todd (talk) 18:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Todd. Much apologies for the delay in replying. I somehow completely missed your original message ! Clearly the article is much the better for your input. So very well done for your efforts. As you pointed out, there remain areas without any citation. If you work from the premise that every statement/sentence needs a source, then that is not a bad starting point. There is also a little repetition regarding Sam Cooke – Legend. In additions, opinions such as 'influential' and 'infamous' need removal. Plus the inline citations, such as for Camp Alton, and in the 'Interviews' section, need properly formatting. In my opinion, the template box should remain for the time being. Come back to me in a month or two if you wish. I will try to be far quicker in responding ! A good effort so far, I must say.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Brett Marvin and the ThunderboltsEdit

Hi Derek, I have carried out a major flush on this article, one I think you pointed out to me quite a while ago. I bought Larkin 1997 for the rewrite. Could you look at it to see if the 'multiple issues' banner can be removed, and perhaps remove it as this might be major contributor COI for me?

Another one you pointed out to me was Keef Trouble (of which I was a major contributor in my early and less experienced days on the project), and which is heavy on the uncited and tagged as such for 10 years... far too long I think for any article. Looking at this one with disinterest, there seems to be much assumed and erroneous importance only by association with subjects that are notable, with the article actually amounting to a co-written lyric with a notable person. My flushing of of this article could seem too much COI. Is there a review process for me to refer this article for cleanup and notability by others, as we have with draft articles? I'm going through all my early articles, sometimes with embarrassment. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I completely missed this post first time around. I have removed the 'clean-up' tags on Brett Marvin and the Thunderbolts, having also undertaken a slight polishing of the article. Good job done by you on that one. As far as Keef Trouble is concerned, I would agree that most of the article deals with his associations with those who are more notable. I can not see that you dealing with that article amounts to COI, unless there is some connection from you with Keef that I am unaware of. I say go for it, in a similar manner to the Thunderbolts. I am not aware of any review process as such, although I do tend to shy away from those types of Wiki 'notice boards'. As far as early edits by any editor, they often leave much to be desired. Whatever the merits of that approach, it is part of the learning process for many here - me included. Apologies again for the delay in me replying.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks for that Derek. I was musically associated with Keith Trussell, and Brett Marvin in the late '70s, the '80s and the '90s, and had personal acquaintance with Jona Lewie, (before becoming a Wikipedia editor). So yes, there will be a COI... it has been, and would be, tricky for me, especially as I was concerned variously with minor to some creative musical input (with the Brett article I have tried to remain scrupulous). This is why I flag-bannered for input by others as I value the project and my rep on Wikipedia above any article.
You appear to use the Larkin (concise Virgin pop music) 1997, which I also have (Jona Lewie seems not in there). I also have the Larkin Virgin Encyclopedia of Popular Music 19th ed. 2002 (Jona Lewie seems not in there)... no mention of "Kitchen" co-authorship in either. Also no mention of co-authorship in Guinness British Hit Singles & Albums 17th ed. 2004 ("Kitchen at Parties" under Terry Dactyl and Jona Lewie). I know that ref books change as time marches on, so the co-authorship might be mentioned in other ref books, and the same ref book of a different date. Your volumes look comprehensive, so can I trouble you to do a quick flick through your library to see if there is any reference to this co-authorship? The co-authorship can be seen on images of the disc later pressings, and is mentioned on some Discogs pages but, as that site accepts public contributions, this could very well not be enough. My personal knowledge is that it was co-authored as such, but that is absolutely not eligible enough for the article. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 16:14, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
I found this on AllMusic, which is deemed to be a reliable source, and cites Lewie and Trussell as co-writers of 'Kitchen'. That should suffice, although I would readily agree that not all other sources give co-writer credit. I have Volume 2 of The Guinness Encyclopedia of Popular Music (1992), ISBN 1-882267-00-1, (4 volume set, US), page 1470, which has a entry for Jona Lewie and mentions his two hits, but has no songwriter credit for either. This book is not yet listed in my 'Reference Books' section, as it was a fairly recent acquisition, and the very big box it came in (along with other Larkin publications) has not been fully unpacked by me as yet.
Another source, here gives co-writing credits too. I now see your understandable reluctance to edit the Keef Trouble article. I may get around to tackling it, but I am fully engaged elsewhere at the moment - plus the goose is getting fat. Best wishes,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:05, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again Derek. Keef Trouble has survived for 13 years so a little longer won't make much difference. If I were to consider adding to the 2007 original today, with the only available reliable sources, it could only amount to little more than:
Keef Trouble was a percussionist with the bands Brett Marvin and the Thunderbolts and Terry Dactyl and the Dinosaurs. He co-wrote the lyrics to Jona Lewie's 1980 hit You'll Always Find Me in the Kitchen at Parties, and the lyrics and vocals for a 1992 self-produced self-release of the single 'Hello Mum'. [AllMusic ref / Mid Sussex Times ref]
Given this, nowadays I wouldn't even approach adding to such a page, at best then an imperfect stub and, even today could probably be an AFD for non-notability. An edit such as the above would be such a drastic COI change for me to make. The "Kitchen at Parties" referenced collaboration info could possibly, however, be added into the Brett Marvin article, as like some Jona Lewie stuff.
As a music aficionado, here's a bit of minutiae for you that you might, or not, find interesting, and of course absolutely cannot be added as there is no reliable source but my personal knowledge, but does explain the patchy crediting. Lewie found the embryonic words to "Kitchen" when scouting through Trussell's lyric book. He changed a few words and added the last verse, all put to a Lewie tune. When the single came out Trussell was not credited on the disc label but, after this was pointed out, the co-credit was printed in subsequent pressings. This might account for no co-credit in certain listings. Best, Acabashi (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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Tea and SymphonyEdit

You amended the category to Folk Music. Really not. All original, not to say unusual. Practically always electric. With a light show (me for a while) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoi (talkcontribs) 15:47, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Being initially mislead by the description of Tea and Symphony as 'progressive folk' in the opening paragraph, I rather blindly followed on in the categorisation. Having looked further afield, and sought out a couple of sources, I have amended the category accordingly. Clearly they were difficult to accurately define (and obviously obscure, given the lack of information easily available). Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hutch DavieEdit

This might be a step too far.... but, if you're able to exert your wikifying wizardry at Hutch Davie, it would be appreciated. Another editor has added masses of unformatted citations there, which should perhaps all be removed - but, correct formatting would be much better than nothing! Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

OK, I have done the bulk of it and will finish it off later today. It is a journey to my G.P. for me now (just routine blood tests). - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I hope that MML1969 acknowledges your help.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I have now finished the reference 'wikification', as far as I know. I hope that helps. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I seem to have dissuaded that editor from contributing... he left me a *nice* message on my talk page, which I shall frame... I should really move all that discography stuff to a separate article, or just remove it.... but I'll probably not do either as I really don't care enough!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
You and me both. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed that as well as your 'nice commendation' (as above), you have now been addressed as 'homie'. You remember that old adage... "respect your elders" ? Clearly lost in the mists of time nowadays. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure you remember.....Edit

... (or maybe not) writing this article back in 2013 (current version here). At the end, the article says that she devoted herself to the Jehovah's Witnesses. That is being queried by "BARE" Bob Eagle, no less, who thinks she was in the Seventh Day Adventists. Can you shed any light on where you got your info from, back then? And if that doesn't win the prize for the most obscure query of 2020... Hope you are keeping well! Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I am fine thank you - COVID free, but a few less marbles in my bag. Regarding Annie, I can only assume that it came from the Amazon source, that is now sadly a dead link. AllMusic made reference to Laurie devoting her future to the church, but nothing more specific. I have recently 'acquired' the four volumes of the Guinness Encyclopedia of Popular Music (ISBN 0-85112-939-0). In Volume 2, page 1435, it states "Sometime in the 60s she gave up secular singing and has devoted her voice to the church ever since". If Bob Eagle thinks it was the Seventh Day church, then that's OK by me. It's not as if I am prone to making things up, plus my knowledge of religious sects is rather sketchy. (That's the atheist in me, talking very politely). Incidentally, the four volume set is part of a collection of around twenty weighty tomes, from the same source, that currently sits on the floor in our spare bedroom. Along with the first such large box that arrived months ago. I need storage to rival the British Library to house all this lot ! When I get over the hernia, I will add the details of the additional books to my user page... sometime next year. Regards,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
There's an updated Amazon link (not allowed here apparently, but if you search for her at Amazon you can find it) - same text, I think. It arose because of a question on a forum about whether any obituary of her was ever published, and I thought not, perhaps because (I said, perhaps wrongly) that Jehovah's Witnesses frowned upon obituaries. Anyway, it can stay as it is until someone comes up with a better source. In the meantime, as you may have noticed, I'm ploughing through the collected oeuvre of Roy Hudd of all people. Funny what back alleys one can get dragged down here... (metaphorically, of course!). Have a good Christmas, so long as you can work out who's allowed to be where, when... Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I had begun to wonder where your interest/information for the music hall tradition came from. Roy Hudd always struck me as a good bloke. The sort of chap you would want around your table in a pub (when you were allowed to go to the pub). A good laugh, font of knowledge, fine company. He always seemed to promote the 'out-of-date', but not 'irrelevant', Victorian/Edwardian popular music. Good for him. Three things that I learned along the way was the bizarre/bonkers/risque approach of some of that material. Think dirty blues and The Goon Show. Secondly, how nothing is new under the sun - 'parental guidance needed' indeed. Thirdly, when I joined my local, and now sadly deceased am-dram group, some of these music hall songs popped up all over the place. I remember that I read Hudd's autobiography, Fart in a Colander, a while ago. Highly entertaining.
Season's greetings to you too, old boy. Let's hope the turn of the calendar, brings a better time for most.
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

no wp:self published sourceEdit

Per the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_46#Piero_Scaruffi_-_Final_Verdict_on_using_him_as_a_source_in_reviews there's a very clear consensus here that Scaruffi is not to be used as a source in music/album articles in any capacity. So please, do not add his opinions anymore. It is a wp:self published source. Since this is a long running dispute, any contributor warned by the situation and who doesn't respect it, would encounter sanctions and could be blocked from editing. Thanks. You've been informed because you used this source here and here. Woovee (talk) 01:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

To be clear, I did not add his opinions in either of the cases you mentioned. I merely used Reflinks to bring all of the references in both articles up to Wiki standards. Equally, I was not previously aware of the discussion regarding the validity of the source. I am now, of course, so I will bear that in mind in the future. Thanks,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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