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People are more important than Wikipedia.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) January 22, 2014

Topics are (or are not) notable. Articles adequately demonstrate a topic's notability, or they do not. A topic's notability does not depend on Wikipedia article content.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) February 11, 2014

(regarding oft-repeated arguments) That horse may not be dead yet, but it needs to be put out of its misery.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:41, 2 August 2015 (UTC) (off-wiki)


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Thank you for clarifying the comment and helping clarify the guild lines as well, i will look more into it. This is my first page so I'm trying to learn about credible sources still. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louisalexandre2 (talkcontribs) 23:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank You for helping meEdit

I whole-heartedly yhank you for accepting my article. But I have 1 final issue. When I opened the Karikku wikipedia from google, its delete discusssion appears rather than my article. Please help.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 03:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

The ways of Google are a black box, sorry. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thank you for always continuing to guide me to improve my article Atlantis77177 (talk) 05:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-45Edit

16:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Dragon Ball family tree collapsible NotesEdit

I noticed that the collapsible note section has a problem with title-changed links when the table is viewed on the individual character pages? Cassandra872 (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I've undone my change, there's some technical issue at work here that I don't understand well. I'll need to fix it up in the template's sandbox. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
OK the technical issue has to do with the translation template being used within a wikilink. I've explained it more at Template talk:Dragon Ball family tree, including a work-around that you can do yourself. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hyogo Prefectural Kobe High SchoolEdit

Hi Davidwr, I don't think the above school is ready for mainspace just yet, the majority of sources in that article come from the alumni section? Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it's not the best and it needs improvement, but this is one of those cases where if it's not moved, it might die a G13 and I have every reason to believe it's at least as notable as your average American High School. That's not a 100% guarantee that it would pass AFD but it's well above 50/50. Also, and probably more importantly, I think the visibility of being in the main encyclopedia will get more attention and faster improvement than if it stayed in Draft: space. That said, if you want to discuss this on the AFD talk page, I will listen to what everyone has to say. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
True, but don't forget WP:NSCHOOL and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. The problem Wikipedia has at the moment is there are lots and lots of stub school articles with a paragraph or two, either a few sources or no sources that have remained the same for years. If a school article is deleted per G13, it's not a big deal as it can always be recreated again in future or it can be requested for undeletion. Anyway, I'll do some cleanup on it Steven (Editor) (talk) 05:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-46Edit

15:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


This discussion is closed
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Support. user has been DISRUPTIVE! Please help me to report it. Thank you. Ianpaulguerrero (talk) 18:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Shawntheshipper (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log) & Ianpaulguerrero (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log) are both sucked puppetry accounts
Shawntheshipper You're being annoying by reverting and deleting legitimate references there and you're currently on edit warring with so many users. As you did here, you're reverting everyone edits HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and many more... Stop reverting everyone's edit, you're being non-sense and content removal by deleting reliable sources is inappropriate Arabiya Sundall page isn't even your own page, everyone has the right to edits but yours are too disruptive and changing newly updated legitimate sources with an small local TV channel blog isn't accepted, even CNA article aren't legitimate sources sometimes you should also check the actual date released of the news. (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

 **socked puppet account: Youre also involved in socked puppet account with Ianpaulguerrero based on your edit comment this 2 user are identical and came from the same IP Addrress that suspected with vandalism acts on Rabiya Sundall Mateo history page. HERE & HERE their edits comment using CAPSLOCK isn't appropriate and polite behaviour. 

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Your emailEdit

Sorry, I do not respond to emails from editors I am not familiar with. I won't be requesting revision deletion as my edit contains no personal information or information about a publicly available ticket number. As an OTRS agent, I can, however say that the ticket is highly relevant to the conversation in question. I suggest you take a step back from the conversation and lecturing though. Praxidicae (talk) 01:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Re: User blocked on Spanish WikipediaEdit

Hi David, in Spanish Wikipedia we do not accept "deliberately confusing usernames: making it difficult to identify the user by their username:/ Usernames that consist of a confusing or random sequence of characters, e.g. "Ghfjkghdfjgkdhfjkg" or "aaaaaaaaaaaa"." MadriCR (talk) 18:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@MadriCR: Thanks. I'm glad it wasn't something that would need to be blocked here, like a promotional username or anything like that. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:50, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Elisabeth KendallEdit

My earlier edit didn't seem to work, so I'm trying again! Thanks for your message pointing out an earlier submission (that was declined). I think my version has more references, but I can provide a couple more if necessary. I don't know who the earlier article writer is (snowhume) - but he/she does not seem to be available to contact re. collaboration. So I'm not sure how to proceed? Thanks. Academiskool (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Academiskool: Collaboration usually happens on discussion pages. You can type {{ping|snowhume}} on the talk page of the draft you want to work on inviting that editor to reply. Or, you can put a note on that editor's user talk page, then check it once a day or so for replies. When replying in an ongoing discussion that is NOT on the other user's talk page, you can use {{re|snowhume}} instead of {{ping|snowhume}}, they do basically the same thing. You probably noticed the "notification" you received letting you know about my message to you here. That is because I started it with :{{re|Academiskool}} (the colon was just to indent, {{re}} did all the magic). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll give it a go! Academiskool (talk) 19:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Long ago, Delta Lodge/Fry Street FairEdit

I stumbled into this via an apparently unrelated Delta Lodge; however, that link along with Fry Street Fair both redirect to Denton, Texas and you seem to have had something to do with all of it (link to your edit here) in 2009. I'm not familiar enough with 'merge' and such -- and frankly just didn't dig in deeply enough -- to understand what you did but do know that now neither subject has any content referring to them, respectively, in the Denton article. There do seem to be a good many references around the encyclopedia to various Delta Lodges; I haven't gone further in that direction yet. In Denton, before de-redirecting, as it were, I thought I'd check with you. Cheers and thanks in advance for any light you may be able to shed. Swliv (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Swliv: Fry Street Fair (last non-redirect revision) used to have an entire section in Denton, Texas (diff of "bold merge"). That was gradually reduced over time. The fair hasn't been held in over a decade. Delta Lodge (last non-redirect revision) put on the Fry Street Fair.
I attempted to start a discussion back in early 2009, but it didn't go anywhere, see Talk:Denton, Texas#Fry Street Fair and Delta Lodge merger proposal.
If your intent is to re-vitalize one or both articles as they were, but updated, feel free to restore the page to the last pre-redirect version. Just know that I turned them into a redirect because even back in January 2009, I thought they would be vulnerable to deletion if they were sent to WP:AFD.
If your intent is to use the title for a different topic, please move the existing redirect to another page, perhaps Fry Street Fair (Denton, Texas) or Delta Lodge (Denton, Texas) first. This is because both pages have page histories which should be kept for use in expanding Denton, Texas. Be sure to fix any incoming links (other than on archived discussions of course) and put a hatnote on the top if the "new" version so people looking at old discussions who wind up at the "wrong" place know where to go. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft of article on Elisabeth KendallEdit

I don't know how to "cause relation" of two independent drafts on the same subject, according to the methods of Wikipedia. Please "cannibalize" whatever you can find on my draft that is useful and appropriate to your draft.

I think that I was pretty aggressive in searching when I was on Twitter, and I just don't know of any "academic media figure" other than Professor KENDALL who is speaking about Yemen. I intend to find out if there is some kind of rating system for academic figures who appear in the media, and see if she has any kind of such rating. If I am successful, I will immediately provide that information to you, so that you can improve your draft's chances of success of acceptance.

The "Holy Grail" for this particular article would be some published comment by a regional specialist (perhaps with an NGO or with some government) that identifies Professor KENDALL as "the intellectual successor to R. B. SERJEANT," because really, that is what she is. Amazingly, they ended up affiliated with two different OxBridge colleges named "Pembroke"!

Thank you for your attention to these matters. WSH — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowhume (talkcontribs) 04:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Academiskool: Snowhume left this message on my talk page, I think it was intended for you, as you are the one who has interest in this topic. Please consider continuing this conversation on either one of your own talk pages or the talk pages of one of the drafts. {{ping}} and {{re}} are useful for getting the attention of someone when posting to a talk page other than that person's own talk page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for this, that's helpful. Academiskool (talk) 22:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


Birthdate concern CCstrong (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


thanks for your feedback on my Draft article. that was very helpful. I'm still in challenge with learning  about Wikipedia and the area but i try my best. It's a lot of information!

Azadeh behi87 (talk) 11:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Ilias Ali (Indian politician)Edit

Went through and did a major overhaul and added verifiable references. As a result I have moved it to the mainspace. Yes there does appear to be a COI issue with the article's creator however given that I have effectively re-written the article there should be no lingering issues. Dan arndt (talk) 08:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Dan arndt: Thank you. Part of the reason Draft: exists is for COI editors. I just wish they would declare themselves. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-47Edit

15:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Karikku (17 November)Edit

Please visit Talk:Karikku. A user has said that I have COI, for no valid reason. Its been over 2 weeks after the article was accepted, and you can see that all I did was keep a watch on the page. I am just a normal person in 35 million people of Kerala and have practically no connection with the Kariku group. If you visit my talk page, the same editor left a message,[12] and reason doesn't sound valid to to me. He quoted some words I said in [13]. Please reply on what are the steps I should take.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 05:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Since I was the person who declared your COI on Karikku page, you should have first discussed the matter with me rather than going here and there. Please ee this. I declared your COI with a valid reason. You already said you have a personal interest with Karikku. So it is better to declare COI. Please read WP:COI. Thankyou Shahoodu (talk) 06:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
@Atlantis77177 and Shahoodu: You are both adults (if you aren't, take that as a compliment). Please take this to one of your own talk pages.
I will give you both some general advice: WP:Assume good faith works wonders around here. We are people. We sometimes make mistakes in judgement. Looking at the specifics of this case, I can see a reasonable editor looking at both the COI guideline and [14] and concluding - accurately or not - that there is a COI. I can also see a reasonable editor coming to the opposite conclusion.
The COI guideline is intended to both protect Wikipedia and its readers and - this may be more subtle than overt - it's meant to invite all editors to "look in the mirror" and say "do I have any investment, financial, emotional, or otherwise, that might lead to unintentional biased editing." The answer is in most cases "yes" even if it is "only a little." It's also an invitation to look in the mirror and say to yourself "what do I need to do to recognize my biases and counter-act them, so that I am writing with a WP:Neutral point of view."
Because of this, I generally avoid writing about my high school alma mater, cities I've lived in recently or which I have an "emotional attachment" to, sports teams I root for, employers I've worked for, and other things where I know I have a noticeable bias. When I do edit on those topics, I take extra care to make sure I'm not introducing my personal bias. When I was new on Wikipedia, I was much more interested in "writing about what I knew" and, well, let's just say my writing was a lot less neutral back then, even if I didn't realize it at the time.
At the same time, the COI guideline is not a "bully stick" to use against editors who are operating in that "grey area" of "some emotional investment" but which falls short of a clear-cut "I'm writing about my brother" or "... my employer" or "... the town where my brother is the Mayor" situations. In such situations, a much softer approach, thanking the editor for his interest in improving the Encyclopedia, while cautioning him to take care to remain neutral, is more effective. Sometimes the most effective thing is to just look for signs of biased editing and re-word them to be neutral, without raising the issue of "COI" at all. Just to avoid mis-interpretation by others reading this, Wikipedia polices, guidelines, and essays are NOT intended to be "bully sticks" against good-faith editors at all.
Again, please move this conversation to one or both of your talk pages. I'm sure you can work this out between yourselves. If you are tempted to take this to a forum like WP:ANI, I recommend against it except as a last result: Usually in cases like this, where both editors are acting in good faith, both editors wind up being scrutinized.
By the way, Atlantis77177, I will take it as a compliment that you thought to come to me for dispute resolution. However, I don't think my further involvement is needed, and I have faith in both of you that you can work this out amicably between yourselves, on your own respective talk pages.
TL;DNR Continue to WP:Assume good faith, continue to be WP:CIVIL, continue to show mutual respect, and use your own talk pages to resolve this issue between yourselves. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the trouble. I approached you as I had already discussed matters with you and did not do so with @Shahoodu:, and I had just known him for a day, and no harm intended to any. So let's end it here with my apology.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 15:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Obviously, if Atlantis asked me about this incident on my talk page, we could have sort out it there. Anyway sorry for troubling you both. By the way I will discuss this with Atlantis. And moving this discussion into my talk page, Im not familiar that. I hope you will do that for us. Thankyou for your valuable advice. Shahoodu (talk) 15:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad to see you will both work it out. When I said "moving" I didn't mean literally moving or copying the existing verbiage, but rather "continuing" the discussion on one of your talk pages, as if it were a new discussion. If you want to "link back" to the most recent version of this page, click in the "history" tab at the top of this page, select the most recent version, then copy the URL then use that URL as a web link, like so: [ html], in the new thread. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:59, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar. We both have solved the issue. I have rarely seen some editors like you, who are always to help the newbies in this platform. Once again, thankyou for helping us out Shahoodu (talk) 17:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I was a newbie once too. Got myself kicked off for good for not respecting the rules, nearly for good. Thanks to some very patient people I was re-instated and have been gratefully contributing since. Just passing on what others have done for me. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Jakefortinsky comment moved from /header sub-pageEdit

Hi David,

I responded to your concerns, maybe I didn't do it correctly, as I contested the deletion request.

I explained in those responses, stating that this article has been created strictly for informative purposes. It has been created with other shows as examples. For example, The Joe Rogan Experience, has been created for informative purposes just like this page has. They both focus on the history of the show and the creation of the show. There is absolutely no marketing basis for this, and it has been written with objective, unbiased, and specifically informative terms. There is no fee or paid opportunity with this, and this was made for information, to allow the general public to have a better understanding and knowledge on the show's premise and history. The goal is to add more history-related content for this show, which will include previous episodes aired, and information regarding each of those episodes. Again, I respect you taking the time to flag this, but as stated, this is not for a marketing purpose, and this cannot lead to any profits of any sort. This is meant to provide information to the public, just as all wikipedia published pages do. I even have gone as far as removing the Buffalo Bills team name from the title, and have specified within the article that this show is not affiliated with the team. Again, this show is for informative reasons, and the article is as well, and is clearly stated as a separate entity from the Buffalo Bills organization. jakef (talk) 16:20, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jakefortinsky: I didn't see this until a few minutes ago because it was added to User talk:Davidwr/header instead of this page by mistake (it's an easy mistake to make, I've updated that page to prevent such mistakes in the future). By the time I saw it and moved it here, the page had been moved to Draft:Herd and 10 Podcast (A Buffalo Bills Podcast). If you want this addressed and haven't raised the issue on the talk page of the draft, please please post a general question there to all editors, not just to me. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! (18 November 2020)Edit

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for helping me and Atlantis to solve our dispute Shahoodu (talk) 18:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey David,

You mentioned that it may be beneficial to have the page for the show Herrd and 10 created by someone else. Are you able to build it for me? I could of course provide the necessary information, and allow you to rewrite it if need be. I really attempted to write the article in an unbiased and objective way. Are you able to help me out here? jakef (talk) 16:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jakefortinsky: I'm not the best person to help you. But you can probably get help from the people at the Podcasting WikiProject.
Put 3-5, reliable, independent sources that have each provided significant coverage of the topic on the talk page, then ask for help on the talk page of WP:WikiProject Podcasting. Please note that interviews with the company's principals or others that are "promoting" the topic are generally NOT considered reliable sources unless the interviews are "news-type" interviews, such as the "hard-hitting" ones you might see on 60 Minutes. "Routine" coverage, even if significant and even if from reliable source, also doesn't count. Basically, if any similar organization would get a particular type of coverage "by virtue of existing" that carries zero weight when it comes to assessing if a subject is "notable" or not.
Once the notability hurdle is cleared, then "non-independent" sources such as the official web site and other "official" publications, "non-hard-news" interviews, and the like can be used, but they still have to be "reliable" sources.
As I said earlier on your talk page, it is very likely that even if the topic is notable, Wikipedia and its readers may be better served by a one-sentence or short-paragraph mention in a larger article about the Buffalo Bills or how the team is covered in the media. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Latest draft of Wibbitz Wikipedia page (cont. from 29 September 2020)Edit

[continued from User_talk:Davidwr/Archives/Archive_43#Latest_draft_of_Wibbitz_Wikipedia_page dated 29 September 2020]

@Davidwr: I went ahead and edited the draft's talk page with notable references as you requested back in September - not sure if you were alerted when I pinged you (clearly still getting the hang of this editing process). Also important to note: 2 of the pages I mentioned, Animoto and Videology, are both Wibbitz competitors. Animoto is a direct competitor, and Videology is far less well-known in the industry than were are. So I would argue that, if both those companies' articles were deemed notable enough to be published on Wikipedia, and the Wibbitz article follows the same format and voice as those two articles, then Wibbitz also deserves to be published on Wikipedia - if anything, to further expand on the Photo slideshow software industry, so that consumers can make an educated decision when researching this (increasingly popular) type of software. Let me know if you're able to give the page the green light, thanks! ~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surphughes (talkcontribs) 15:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@Surphughes: first, read WP:Signature for instructions on signing your post. Just type four tilde characters like what you see in green, but without the "green"-ness: ~~~~. It will render as something like this: davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:29, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
except with your signature instead of mine.
Also, your edit "clobbered" my talk page, removing large swaths of existing content. I had to restore it THEN restore your question before I could answer it.
As for your question, as I said in September (link to archived discussion is at top of this section), you might want to post a note on Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Companies saying basically what you said to me: You are a paid editor, your competitors have pages, your draft has been rejected, you've talked to the reviewer, he asked you to ask the people at WikiProject companies to review it. It is just as likely that they will improve the other articles or, if the companies are not sufficiently notable, nominate them for deletion, as they are to say "your article is good." They may also tell you in more detail than I can why those companies are notable and yours is not, if that is the case. I will post a follow-up to this message with the "link" back to this version of my talk page. You can include that in your note on Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Companies.
Finally, remember, Wikipedia is NOT for promoting a company (see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:29, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@Surphughes: You can use this link to point people to the discussion above:
davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:31, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Flag templatesEdit

Hi Davidwr ! I write to you to see if you can help me or tell me who can. I don´t have enough technical skills to change Template:Collegesailingteam or Template:Yachtclub (that create flag icons) in order to be able to use them but changing the display text for the wikilinked article. That is, now they work like Template:Flag, and I need them to work like Template:Flagcountry, so that I could link them to specific artcicles. For example,   Yale University to link to Yale Bulldogs sailing. Thanks in advance.--Banderas (talk) 08:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll look into it over the weekend. Reply here on Sunday evening if I haven't gotten back to you by then. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
@Banderas: I think I've got something working for {{Collegesailingteam}}. Check out the sandbox and testcases. You can probably crib that for {{Yachtclub}}. It's not nearly as sophisticated as the "flag" templates or "flagg" template/module set (I still haven't wrapped my head around how those work), but it doesn't need to be. It's not "smart" like {{cfb link}}, which auto-detects if the "team page for season" exists ("2010 Yale Bulldogs sailing") and if it doesn't, it defaults back to the team page ("Yale Bulldogs sailing") or, if that is missing, the school page ("Yale University"). On the other hand, since it is "dumb" you don't have to worry about hitting the WP:EXPENSIVE parser functions limit.
The magic is in the sub-templates listed on the /doc page.
Note that the /doc page examples won't look right until you switch the sandbox to the main template. You can see what the sandbox does by looking in the testcases.
If you like what you see, just copy the sandbox over to the main template. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Follow-up: This revision (which I quickly reverted) shows the sandbox copied into the main template. As you can see, the burgees taken from Template:Collegesailingteam/flaglist are not click-able, and the link to the article is taken from Template:Collegesailingteam/articlelist. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@Davidwr: I strongly appreciate all your work and help. I tested the changes by going back to your edit in {{Collegesailingteam}}, and found out it does not seem to work out as I looeked up the article ICSA Coed Dinghy National Championship where the template is used in the list of champions, and it was not working... I really don´t know why. I keep trying to understand these mechanisms but it's way over my knowledge ! --Banderas (talk) 08:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@Banderas: I was being too smart for my own good using {{BASEPAGENAME}} in the actual template to make it easy to "crib from." To fix it, I changed it to hard-code the template name.[15] Try copying the sandbox back into the main template now, it should work. It did for me. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@Davidwr: Thanks again Davidwr. I'm affraid I'm taking too much of your time !. Links are working OK, but the thing is: the text shown now is always the title of the wikilinked article, that is, whenever "collegesailingteam|Yale University" template is included, you see "Yale Bulldogs sailing" (the name of the linked article). What I was trying to achieve is having the text "Yale University" (name of template) and link to "Yale Bulldogs sailing" (what is usually achieved by using | ). But I don´t want to be a pain in the neck to you. I have read everything again and again in Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template and I can not solve the problem.--Banderas (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@Banderas: This will have to wait until later in the weekend. In the meantime, study the code and see if you can figure out how to make the passed-in parameter be the displayed parameter. Read WP:Wikilink. Basically, you want to change [[{{Collegesailingteam/articlelist|{{{1|}}} }}]] to something like [[{{Collegesailingteam/articlelist|{{{1|}}} }}|whatever you want displayed here]], probably [[{{Collegesailingteam/articlelist|{{{1|}}} }}|{{{1|some default here}}}]]. This is off the top of my head code, not tested. FYI, {{{1}}} expands to the first parameter but it generates an error if it is missing, {{{1|}}}s expands to the first parameter if it exists or "nothing" if it doesn't. {{{1|some default here}}} expands to the first parameter if it exists or whatever you put in place of some default here if it doesn't.
Maybe you'll have this sorted out by the time I get back on Wikipedia. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Davidwr: Thank you so much Davidwr ! Best regards--Banderas (talk) 18:11, 21 November 2020 (UTC) It must be something similar to {{country data {{{1}}}|flagcountry/core|variant=|size=|name=}} used in {{Flagcountry}} where

  • |1= (first unnamed parameter): Use either the name of the nation or in some cases, a three-letter country code (e.g. ISO 3166-1 alpha-3)
  • |variant= or |2= (optional parameter): Specifies an alternative (historical) flag to use.
  • |size= (optional): Can be used to change the flag icon size.
  • |name= (optional): The display text of the target wikilink is usually automatically generated, but can always be over-ridden with the name parameter.

But my head is spinning around the moon right now, so I will go back to basics before I give it another try.--Banderas (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

@Banderas: Trying to understand the system of templates that make {{flag}} or the newer, module-based system that makes {{flagg}} work makes my head spin too. That's part of the reason did not base what I did on either system - it's overkill for what you need. If I understand you correctly, you need a picture, a wikilink, and text for the wikilink, nothing more. That is, you want something like this:
[[File:Burgee_of_Yale_University.svg|24px]] [[Yale Bulldogs sailing|Yale University]]
which renders as
  Yale University
Do I understand things correctly? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@Davidwr: Yes, exactly ! As a matter of fact, I thought about going back to editing like that after encountering the problem, hahaha, but I always thought the templates could improve that editing. This is what I can not do with these templates:

I tried to understand the national flag icons templates to copy, but I just can´t.--Banderas (talk) 09:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I tried to understand the national flag icons templates to copy, but I just can´t welcome to the club. Grokking quantum physics is only slightly harder  .
I think your idea is best because it's the simplest - just make the whole thing what goes after the = in your template. For example, the line for Yale University might look something like this:
| Yale University = [[File:Burgee_of_Yale_University.svg|24px]] [[Yale Bulldogs sailing|Yale University]]
or, to save typing and make copy-and-paste possible:
| Yale University = [[File:Burgee of {{{1}}}.svg|24px]] [[Yale Bulldogs sailing|{{{1}}}]]
I tested a mock-up with just "Yale University", "default", and "no parameter" (which produces no output), which I reverted. You can see the difference and results here. Remember, only the "Yale" and schools not listed produce valid output in this test, it's up to you to fill in the rest. Also note the use of {{{1}}} for the school's name. You might not be able to use this trick for all the schools, but where you can, it saves a lot of typing because you can just "copy and paste" then do any required fix-ups. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
A question: Is the template invocation for any particular school or sailing club used more than once in Wikipedia at all, not counting the discussions you and I are having and not counting the template documentation, sandbox, and testcase pages? If not, do you anticipate there will be in the future? If not, then forget the template, just do it "in-line." You can use the substitution mechanism to have Wikipedia automatically replace existing uses with "in-line"/fully-expanded versions then delete the template (via WP:TFD once it is no longer in use.
However, if there are more than a few instances of the same school, or you think there might be in the future, then keep the template. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again Davidwr ! I'm going to try editing what you recommend (I'm not sure I'm getting it right). Regarding the use of the templates, It's to be used in sailor's infoboxes (College and yacht club parameters), in the ICSA championship pages (6 articles), in the ICSA Hall of Fame awards, and the college sailing conferences (7 pages), at least.--Banderas (talk) 08:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Banderas: When the non-sandbox lines in the "testcases" page look right and the wikilinks are correct, then you know you've done it right. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:10, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Banderas: I *think* I fixed the only error - one of the "File:..." lines was missing a colon. Note that most of the "testcases" show in "mis-match yellow" instead of green because the sandbox version has the link as [[schoolname|schoolname]] instead of just [[schoolname]] for schools without unique names. Schools with unique names do match, since the output for both the template and test cases is [[Team web page name|schoolname]]. Your version is superior to the sandboxed version on many levels, not the least of which is that it is easier to make changes to as teams come and go, change names, change flags, or have articles created for their sailing teams. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:43, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Help with reviewing new pageEdit

Hi Davidwr!

Thank you for your note recently left on my profile / sandbox.

Could I please kindly ask you to review / have a look at the article that I have prepared? To my knowledge, I think it's written in a neutral way, but would appreciate further feedback. Thanks a lot, Ksils Ksils (talk) 08:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Disappearing PingEdit

Please do not delete a post that you have made as being redundant or duplicative if you have pinged an editor in the post. The deletion or reversion doesn't delete the ping. This sends the editor off on a wild goose chase through the history. I know that you meant well. Maybe you didn't realize that the ping was still there. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:05, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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National Hand Touch Football LeagueEdit

Thank you for the move I didn’t know how to do that also made some edits on this page some References as you will Demons24 (talk) 01:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Balloon BallEdit

I made a couple of references I hope that’s ok how to make a balloon ball is that good reference? Demons24 (talk) 01:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Ask that question on the article's talk page, this way the whole editing community can reply. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok thank you I just wanted to help out Demons24 (talk) 02:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

And just to let you know I did do that asked the talk page Demons24 (talk) 02:05, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Republic TVEdit

@Davidwr: Please visit [TV] to check out the discussion. An experienced editor asked me to quit all these - Behind the curtains work. So I request you to please help in giving a final verdict to the discussion, by comparing all the comments, after it is archived. OR should I disband the discussion. Please help me out.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 06:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I am going to abstain. I don't have the time to become familiar enough with the situation to have an informed opinion. Without making any comment on this specific situation, I will say that, as a general rule in life, if multiple experienced people are giving you the same advice, take it, or at the very least, give it serious consideration. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Davidwr:, I have decided to do as I say. So what should happen of the discussion I started.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 05:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

National Hand Touch Football LeagueEdit Is this safe to post? Demons24 (talk) 11:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

If you are asking for a review, I recommend either asking on the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject American football, or submitting the page for review through WP:Articles for creation. I don't have time to give it the review it deserves. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:13, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I did that thanks for giving me a heads up Demons24 (talk) 18:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


Just so you know for future use, {{db-author}} exists, and gives the (correct) reason of "requested or blanked by author", i.e. WP:G7. Primefac (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Primefac: Thanks. I forgot that {{db-7}} supported |rationale=. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:40, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
No worries. Of course, any admin worth their mop would check the page history of a blank G7, rationale or not, to make sure it was valid. Primefac (talk) 18:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Kobenz PageEdit


I saw the page I created for the artist, Kobenz, got deleted. I am confused. Why was the history split declined? The artist has thousands of fans, publications in major magazines, a Google Knowledge Panel, etc. It is very confusing when googling the two separate entities. Notablepeopleandplaces (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Notablepeopleandplaces: The history split was declined because there is a substantially identical version in your sandbox at User:Notablepeopleandplaces/sandbox. You are free to WP:MOVE it to Draft:Kobenz (musician) if you want to collaborate with others as you work on it. Since your account is brand new - less than 4 days old or with less than 10 edits - you are unable to move pages just yet. You can either wait 3 more days before moving it or you can follow the instructions at WP:Requested moves and someone will move it for you. I would recommend AGAINST moving it into the main encyclopedia (i.e. to Kobenz (musician)) until you are reasonably sure the draft clearly shows that the page meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. See Help:About and Help:My first article for details.
Courtesy ping to the others that worked on that page: Soundcloudlegends, Slykos, and Rodw. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:58, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
@Notablepeopleandplaces: I'd be open to moving the page for you. Slykos (talkcontribsrights) 23:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Slykos, That would be excellent. The two of these are creating a lot of confusion, and it would be nice to see it cleared up. Notablepeopleandplaces (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)