Freemasonry and RosicrucianismEdit

For what it's worth, the best material I have found on the cross-fertilisation of the two organisations is in David Stevenson's The Origins of Freemasonry, Scotland's Century 1590-1710. A bit vague. What have you found?. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 00:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, @Fiddlersmouth This links; Click me & Click me too direct to certain materials which may be useful to our discussion. Please do discuss with me what you feel about the sources.Celestina007 (talk) 16:24, 15 June 2017 (UTC).
The first article seems to have a problem with facts. Ashmole was initiated in Warrington, the London meeting was much later (I won't bore you with the other stuff, but the facts don't fit the picture). Manly Hall is a known nutter, which is probably unfair. He made a shedload of money out of this rubbish. Meanwhile, we can trace the real development of freemasonry from the Old Charges, the Schaw Statutes, and the actual minutes of Scottish lodges in the 17th century. The telling bit from the first reference is referencing Kings in Coverdale's bible. 2 Chronicles 4 in the same edition actually mentions "Hiram Abif", which he got from Luther's 1535 translation of Huram 'Abi in 2 Chronicles 2 & 4. The hard evidence doesn't have Rosicrucians, although Stevenson mentions them as an influence. He is much stronger on Hermeticists, where it is easier to see a connection. HTH Fiddlersmouth (talk) 01:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Lmao, you said Manly Hall is a known nutter. Umm okay, i think you have a point, the sources at hand may not be proof enough to warrant a Rosicrucian section in the Freemasonry article. i agree.Celestina007 (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2017 (UTC).

A barnstar for youEdit

  The Teamwork Barnstar
This is for overcoming our earlier differences for the purpose of creating a better encyclopedia. Kudos ma'am. HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy If this isnt incentive enough to continue building the perfect encylopedia despite whatever then i definetely do not know what is. Thank you so much for this, this has given me a reason to smile despite the pain. Thank you Darreg. This Means a lot to me + its my first ever. i do appreciate this very much. Celestina007 (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

"Smiles". HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Need Review and ApprovalEdit

Dear, please help in reviewing this article and approval:


Hi Celestina007,
Just checking in. Hope all is well on your end? It's good to see you editing again.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 22:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@Versace1608 Thanks for asking. I really do appreciate your concern. You are like the all seeing eyes of God nothing passes by without your knowledge. I’m alright though. I won’t lie, Wikipedia is a lot like basketball or chemistry, leave it for a month & it would leave you for a year. I have become quite rusty as regards wiki editing. But it is a good thing yourself, Darreg & Mahveotm are holding your own very well. It’s a shame Oluwa2chainz isn’t around anymore. All the same thanks. Cheers Celestina007 (talk)00:48,3-11-2019 (UTC)
Lmao at "You are like the all seeeing eyes of God nothing passes by without your knowledge." Can't stop laughing. I'm glad you are good. I'm sure you will get your groove back once you become active again.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah hopefully so. I’m sure when I’m active again I’d re-learn everything. It’s quite funny because i used to know so much rules & policies of this Wikipedia environmvet it got to a point some other editor called me out for wiki-lawyering. But it’s all good though. More grease to your elbow Versace.Celestina007 (talk) 01:24,3-11-2019(UTC)

Artists sortEdit

Hello! just a heads up that the artists AfD sort is not for musical artists. See the definition at the top of the sort page. Thank you. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 10:29, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that ThatMontrealIP I presume you probably made an error in this edit - [here ] you removed the WP:DELREASON. If the problem is it was included in a wrong sort list then I’d simply remove it from there, if it is something else please do leave a message for me explaining your rationale because I don’t think I have ever seen a WP:DELREASON removed from the AFD discussion. Without a reason for deletion how would our co-editors make sense of an AFD without a delete reason? Anyways I have removed “artist related discussion sort list” & reverted the edit. Please do reach out to me on this. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 17:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that was entirely my mistake, and quite a bad one it was! Slip of the mouse, and I did not notice it until you properly reverted it. Thank you for fixing the artists sort item.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
it’s all good ThatMontrealIP do enjoy your weekend. It’s a Friday night. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 23:28 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Dear celestina007 Please don’t delete the article of Zaw Myint Oo. I wrote and based on all reliable source from Myanmar Website.He is an artist of Myanmar Singer/Composer and also journalist.I can guarantee all data sources are reliable and authentic.So, please review all refer data and facts the article of Zaw Myint Oo.

You've got mailEdit

Hello, Celestina007. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Teebabalola (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I have received your mail & replied you but I don’t think you have seen it. there isn’t any real reason to be worried. Knowing a person is notable & proving their notability are different things. Even I have had difficulties in proving notability of Nigerians who are clearly notable. As for the article you were editing on David Tobiloba Ajayi I honestly couldn’t find any real evidence of him being notable. Celestina007 (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Biography BarnstarEdit

  The Biography Barnstar
Thanks for your new articles! — Sagotreespirit (talk) 12:37, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Sagotreespirit thank you so much. I really do appreciate this. Celestina007 (talk) 13:46, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

How Can I Complete The 10 Suggested EditsEdit

Hi Celestina007, you send me a message earlier about Wikipedia. I'm quite new here and I'm finding it a little difficult to complete my first ten suggested edits. Please I really need some advice. Vicky Styles 1 (talk) 12:15, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Vicky Styles 1, I received your message earlier but it was wrongly placed. I’ve corrected all that now. As for your question I’d say you have made more than ten edits. From what I can see 12 edits in all. Celestina007 (talk) 14:18, 03 December 2019 (UTC)

Request For Undeleting Michael NwokoloEdit

Hi Celestia,

I just saw your comment on Micheal Nwokolo and i understand your concerns. I just wanted to point out to you that we all understand the Nigerian armed forces ecosystem. The article is not gossipy and i am trying to ensure we digital footprints to some of our best hands and i'm currently working on more of these kind of personas in the Entertainment, Military and Spiritual industry. Micheal Nwokolo was extensively discussed on Twitter and although some few claim his certificates might not be entirely credible, i have been working on this on my drafts for a while now and i've seen that he, a retired superintendent of police have majority of some of these certificates and his worthy of a mention here.

Although, i have replied you on the talk page and will continue the conversation while highlighting more sources to help prove my works, i want you to be more objective and understand.Saxfreak 14:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Saxfreak01, I have not deleted any article. I merely created a deletion discussion page for it because subject of your article is non notable & hasn’t been discussed in reliable sources. Most of your sources on the page aren’t reliable. Before creating an article you should see the WP:GNG guideline. Furthermore what does this comment you made above mean?? “ Micheal Nwokolo was extensively discussed on Twitter ” Twitter is not a Reliable source and it’s not used in this project to prove notability or substantiate notability claims.Celestina007 (talk) 15:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of My Article for deletionEdit


Thanks for your feedback on this, i have provided with the intial information i have about this director whom i followed his movie or other works. please help me or suggest me on what else makes it better page about him — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ananddonepudi (talkcontribs) 16:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Ananddonepudi, Although I myself couldn’t find any reliable sources discussing subject of your article with in-depth, if you can find any and include in the article I’d be more than happy to withdraw the nomination.Celestina007 (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Celestina007

will definitely provide further more , i found some content on wiki but didnt recall those pages again. please give me sometime if you dont mind  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ananddonepudi (talkcontribs) 06:57, 15 December 2019 (UTC) 

people with articles in other encyclopediasEdit

It's usually a good idea for subjects from other language regions where there are links in the English WP article to that language's wikipedia, to check that link, at least in the English translation. DGG ( talk ) 19:04, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

DGG You are correct about that.Celestina007 (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of My Articles for deletion Karl Reger Martin RegerEdit

Hello Celestina007 Thank you for your feedback. I never thought of publishing an article about them, until I saw some other articles on other Regers Reger. Considering the brevity of these other articles I though I could give it a try. After reading the Conflict of interest page I still do not believe there is any. Yes both articles are about relatives of mine, however, I do not see any conflict of interest, since I am referrring to them in a historical context. The information provided is difficult to source, since it happened in the 1930. The papers are no longer available and the physics books Karl Reger published have long been out of print, hence I did not even mention them. Essentially, you could consider me a primary source, since I have spoken to them myself when they were still alive. I just added the '{{connected contributor}}', will that help? Not sure what else I can do. Koreger (talk) 02:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Koreger, It Isn’t advisable to edit or create a page for your relatives as you claimed above & furthermore as you say above if the articles are “difficult to source because it occurred in the 1930’s” then the article should not be on Mainspace as per WP:CRYSTALBALL we need sources to substantiate any claims made on the articles.Celestina007 (talk) 11:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Your good works are notedEdit

Hello, I noticed that you're really working tirelessly to keep Wikipedia free from Spam, nice one. For an Administrator to easily access all your tagging works, you'll need to set-up Twinkle to always log all your PROD and CSD tags automatically in your own personal PROD log and CSD log respectively. To set it up, head to Twinkle Preferences, scroll down and mark both Keep a log in userspace of all pages you tag for PROD and Keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations and click Save changes. That's all. Keep on the good work, Wikipedia is really proud of you. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 16:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Nnadigoodluck, Oh man thanks for the kind words, it is really appreciated I’ve also noticed your enviable precocious talents and how you have silently in a gnomish manner assisted me so far Cheers.Celestina007 (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

You've got mailEdit

Hello, Celestina007. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Charles Okorobo (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

You deleted my page Sam Zuga which was still being written. I was asked by Wikipedia to talk to you about this deletion because it said you are the deletion administrator.

Wikipedia's guidelines are are an encyclopedia in themselves. They are so lengthy and many times complex. I tried everything I can to go through them before attempting to write my article.

Again, I read that things done in the sandbox are still safe from deletion or any form of interference from Wikipedia since they have not been made public. I was also informed in one of your guidelines that so long as I keep making edits to my articles, they are safe from deletion, till I feel my article is ready to get published.

I'm still working on the article and I've not completed it, or submitted it for review, or published it. So I'm actually shocked why it should be deleted.

Hoping to hear from you soon. Charles

Charles Okorobo, First! I’m no administrator & if you were going to post the message here then sending me a private mail wasn’t necessary. The article was not in your sandbox don’t make untrue comments please. it was on Mainspace where I saw it on the new pages feed and requested a G11 speedy deletion for it because it was the most blatant promotional article I had ever seen in my three years of being an editor in this collaborative project. Furthermore if you are related to the subject of your article in any way it isn’t advisable to create an article for them because a WP:COI that would obstruct a WP:NPOV would be established. Celestina007 (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Banbouk Music should not be deletedEdit

It has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This should not be deleted. This is satisfying WP:GNG & WP:BIO @Celestina007: Sourav tiwary (talk) 11:29, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Sourav tiwary, what have I done to you? Why are you bombarding/spamming my talk page? Well in any case if or not that article would be deleted is not up to me but up to the community. See WP:GNG before creating articles in the future. Wikipedia is not a WP:PROMO site for people/persons who want more recognition for themselves/careers.Celestina007 (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you startedEdit

Hello, Celestina007

Thank you for creating Frederick Leonard (Nigerian actor).

User:Lapablo, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Keep up the good work.

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Lapablo}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Lapablo (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Lapablo thank you so much. You give me strength to continue even when I’m tired. Keep up the good work also. Celestina007 (talk) 20:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy HolidaysEdit

  Happy Holidays
Hi Celestina007,

Thanks for your all contributions and help to this wonderful encyclopaedia, have a great and enjoyable holiday!  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 12:34, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays to you too as well Versace 🎉🎉. Furthermore thank you for your guidiance so far since i began editing in 2016 up until now and also for your tireless contributions towards building a better encyclopedia. Cheers 🍾🍾Celestina007 (talk) 12:43, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi there and thanks for your email. I'm happy to provide feedback about your work around new page patrolling. I hope you'll understand and be OK with me replying here rather than via email. First you've been quite busy with deletion. Your speedy deletion looks good. Your AfDs probably look good too. However, I would say we're still a couple weeks short of the time I'd expect to see before someone reapplies (at minimum) and a lot of AfDs, especially ones you've nominated which count extra in my book, are still open. Your edit summaries are better though a whole string of "Article Creation" at Destiny_Etiko is still a little short of what I'd hope to see on the whole from our goal. However, that wouldn't really stop me from assigning the permission. In looking at your interactions with new editors I'm still concerned it's a bit on the gruff side. It's very important at NPP not to bite new editors. If you reapplied today I probably wouldn't assign just because it's a little too soon and I still have communication concerns. However that could all change in another 2 or 3 weeks as you've taken the feedback well and done some really good work. I hope that's helpful. Feel free to reply with any questions you might have. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:30, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Barkeep49 Oh my, thanks! I appreciate your feedback. This means a lot to me. There are no questions for now as everything you have said is very straight forward and quite easy to grasp, thanks once again.Celestina007 (talk) 09:55, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Request For Undeleting amin mahmoodiEdit

Hi. Amin_Mahmoodi is an Iranian actor and assistant director. All of his information is in Persian and has been published on sites in Persian.

Mohammadcmpir please always sign after making a comment (for easy identification) the article hasn’t been deleted but it is currently in an AFD.Celestina007 (talk) 09:45, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Please don't delete Manjiri Yashwant pageEdit

Manjiri Yashwantis a popular marathi film actress. Marathi is one of the languages in India, most of the news articles covering her are in local languages that is marathi. She played a significant role in marathi movie Babo, which was one of the super hits in marathi speaking people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohishaw1999 (talkcontribs) 15:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Rohishaw1999 dear colleague I do not possess sovereign command over what gets deleted or what doesn’t get deleted only the community (our co-editors) can decide that at the AFD I opened pertaining to the subject of your article. See WP:GNG & WP:BASIC before creating any article(s) in the future. Celestina007 (talk) 16:16, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear editor, local newspapers don't have websites because they can't afford. The subject is a popular actress in marathi cinema. The language marathi is spoken by only in some parts of state Maharastra in India. Please suggest what I need to do. I want to save this article .As per citations are concerned , I can not provide as local newspapers don't have websites. Rohishaw1999 (talk) 06:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Rohishaw1999 you can also cite newspapers. Celestina007 (talk) 13:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Local newspapers don't own websites. Simply because they cannot afford. They are publishing only printed newspapers. How can such references be given on wiki? Rohishaw1999 (talk) 13:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Actress's IMDb entry has been added. Rohishaw1999 (talk) 14:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft CheckingEdit

Hello, please check draft of my page Draft:Abhishek Kumar Ambar. Swapnil Kaustubh (talk) 09:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Swapnil Kaustubh i’d say per formatting & general spelling corrections I’ve done what I can, as I can’t sometimes understand what you may be trying to imply in some sentences in the article. Generally I’d advice you to submit it through an AFC and not move it to mainspace directly as the article is quite promotional and may qualify for a CSD under G11 (unambiguous promotional articles). I’ve tried to clean it up a bit by removing several peacock terms and sentences you used. Lastly, and unfortunately my understanding of the Hindi language is very poor infact non-existent so I cant make sense of the references provided & my google translator isn’t proving helpful today. Do what I’ve advised plus what Nnadigoodluck advised. Celestina007 (talk) 10:49, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. Last time I made this Article and I used the reliable links as a reference. But article was deleted.Refrences contains reliable material in hindi language but admin did not understand and tagged article in speedy deletation. My all hard work get in the dustbin.

Swapnil Kaustubh (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Swapnil Kaustubh haha I haven’t had a good laugh on here in a while. Okay I’m not being insensitive but technically no one’s hard work in this community “gets in the dustbin” you can contact the administrator that deleted your page I’m too busy to actually check who, but contacting he/she is pivotal & your hard work(article) may be moved back to your draft but seeing as you have already created a new one under same title an AFC submission is my best advice for you. I can’t tell for sure if the name of your article has been “salted” If it has it means that title has been protected due to one or more editors creating the same article for a clearly non notable subject. Also generally it isn’t a good idea to create an article for your friend, colleague or even yourself and also if you are to receive a reward or have already received the reward financially(as per part payment) or otherwise in turn to create this article you’re advised to cease and desist from such. Celestina007 (talk) 14:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Bashir mehtaabEdit

Hello, is Bashir Mehtaab fullfil the criteria of wikipedia. Swapnil Kaustubh (talk) 06:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Swapnil Kaustubh I’ve gone through the page & i’m not sure I know what your relationship is with the editor or if you have any ill feelings with the editor or subject of his article as such I’d recuse myself from being used as a weapon. Although I should say that other editors have raised concerns that the creator of the page has an obvious WP:COI with several of his articles/subject of his articles. Now, from your own understanding of WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO & WP:POET do you think it fulfills the criteria? If your answer is no then feel free to nominate the article for deletion. To do some good work here it is important to make use of “Twinkle” which can be enabled in your own account. See WP:AFDHOWTO to guide you throughout the process. Furthermore if your thought process is if “Article A created by a different editor is on Wikipedia then certainly this Article B which I created on a related subject matter which is almost same as theirs should be on Wikipedia also” then that’s a faulty argument I can’t give a blanket statement on. Celestina007 (talk) 17:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


You should consider applying for New Page Patrol permissions. I think you'd be a great contributor to the process. Thanks for your hard work on WP. buidhe 03:28, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Buidhe haha thanks for the kind words. I would, in the not too distant future i’m proceeding with caution & abiding to the advice proffered to me by our senior colleague Barkeep49. Celestina007 (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Quick questionEdit

Hi there Celestina007, I got your message about my article, and I wanted to say thank you for helping me out--I am very new to Wikipedia (this was my first article), so I don't really understand how any of this works yet. As such, this probably makes me sound like something of a greenhorn, but I just wanted to ask how to do citations properly here. I put my sources in MLA8 format in the Notes section, but I know that that's the wrong way to do it; how do I add the footnote citations? The internet is not giving me much in the way of explanations. Sorry to bother you, and thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virgilius158 (talkcontribs) 01:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Virgilius158 I deal with a whole lot of articles so please could you give me the name of the article in question here? Or a link to it? Celestina007 (talk) 01:37, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
It is titled ‘Parker E. Calkin.’ Thanks for your help. Virgilius158 (talk) 02:38, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Virgilius158 sorry I’m just getting back to you. Citing isn’t all that difficult. I think you should read WP:CITE it should guide you. If you’ve got any other questions I’m always here.Celestina007 (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


Hello Celestine007, I published an article titled Muslim News Nigeria and I was notified that it's highly promotional. I started working on that part and the next notification I got was that you've deleted it. Please kindly help undo the delete so that I can work on it again. Below are some reference you might want to see. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|Sunkanmi12 (talk) 12:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)]] comment added by Sunkanmi12 (talkcontribs) 12:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sunkanmi12, I am going ahead to send you a welcome message with relevant policies and guidelines you may need to study before creating any other articles in the future.Celestina007 (talk) 12:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
This article has been blacklisted and I can't create any other article with that title Sunkanmi12 (talk) 13:20, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello once again Sunkanmi12, I don’t know if or not it has been protected/salted & not “blacklisted” but if it has been protected, it’s probably for a good reason too! The most common & obvious reason being that it is an article that has been created & deleted more than once & is still being created over & again after repeated deletions. Oh & for the sake of clarity, I did not delete your article. Only sysops can perform such actions.Celestina007 (talk) 13:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Olga Kozakova and Olga KazakovaEdit

Hello colleague. You have two Olga Kazakova --Dgeise (talk) 20:50, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Dgeise you don’t have two, Olga Kazakova & Olga Kozakova aren’t the same spelling. Although confusing, they aren’t the same spelling now are they? If you have further questions I’d be more than willing to answer.Celestina007 (talk) 20:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
These are different people. But their names in one letter are similar. If you think so correctly, I do not mind. -Dgeise (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Dgeise if you have for example an already existing article titled David James (lets say hypothetically speaking he is an American wrestler) & you intend to create another David James (perharps let’s say this one is an English occultist) since David James already exits as an American wrestler, when creating another David James, who is an English occultist you then differentiate by titling this one David James (English occultist) but lets say hypothetically speaking that this fictional David James who is an English occultist has his name spelled as David Jams of which Wikipedia has no article which such title, saying David Jams (English occultist) is not necessary. You can use the “About” function in the article (which I’d go ahead to do for you sometime in the future) But if this is too ambiguous for you to comprehend let me know so I’d re-explain.Celestina007 (talk) 21:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  Done Dgeise Check out both articles now.Celestina007 (talk) 21:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

F5pillar revertEdit

The revert isn't any problem to me, but I want to let you understand that Summy Smart that request for it deletion, it shouldn't be done that way, Reasons are:

  • You can(ref improve it)
  • you can (draft it).

That would be OK. Sorry if you're thinking I'm against your discission or suggestion for the Deletion, and for the Wiki policies, I have already and known that, Thanks. (F5pillar (talk) 14:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC))

F5pillar, LoL what in the name of sweet Jesus Christ are you on about? The said article has long been deleted & you editing an already concluded AFD is very disruptive. So I ask again what are you really on about?Celestina007 (talk) 14:09, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
OK fine, that's what I suggested you could have done since beginning, but since the deletion request have already been done, who am I to question what you decided in that Summy Smart. Anyway, the has already been deleted there's no need of discussion about the the page. (F5pillar (talk) 14:16, 18 January 2020 (UTC))
Hello F5pillar, This comment you made above really disturbs me “who am I to question what you decided”, there isn’t any sovereign custodian of knowledge or any sovereign grand master here as this is a collaborative project & in this community you have every right to query certain actions & voice your own opinions. Commenting in a closed AFD is not proper & it is not a norm in this community. Having said that, in the future feel free to ask me any questions if you are trying to perform an action you are unsure if or not may alter the conventional current flow of this collaborative project even in the slightest manner & I’d be more than willing to assist.Celestina007 (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
OK, sorry if its disturb you, is just that you've been in this Organization before me so you're just like master to me. Thats why I said that. And I did not quickly notice that theAFD is closed. (F5pillar (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
F5pillar I’m not a master to you & no one in this community including administrators is a master to anyone & in this collaborative project we all are fellow colleagues and are all equal.Celestina007 (talk) 19:40, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
You're to me bcuz the way you interact. (F5pillar (talk) 19:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Re: deletion nomination for Razak Lawal and moving to draftspace of Alfred Akawe TokulaEdit

Thank you for your work on Wikipedia. I recently created the article Razak Lawal, solving all the issues it was said to be having when I created it previously, but was speedily deleted. However, you have recently nominated it for deletion with the WP:GNG tag. I have read the general notability guidelines again and Razak Lawal seems to me to pass the test as a young Nigerian businessman. The sources I used for the article were from highly respected publications in Nigeria like The Sun (Nigeria), Punch Nigeria, Vanguard (Nigeria), New Telegraph and Encomium Magazine; and they covered the topic directly and in detail. You may have mistakenly nominated it for deletion. Please find time to review the sources again for your kind reconsideration and help, in improving it. I would also like to know if it is appropriate for me as the creator of the page to post a comment on the deletion page or add more sources to the article. You also moved Alfred Akawe Tokula to draftspace for a similar reason and needing more citations. However, I created the article as a stub to improve the article for the Tor Tiv stool of the Tiv people which are notable in Nigeria. How many more sources may I need to add before submitting it for review? I would have messaged you privately here, but I don't know how that is done. I will need your guidance and assistance here as I intend to spend more time on Wikipedia this year; writing as many new articles as time will permit me. Please oblige me. Thank you. Bemmax (talk) 16:10, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to write this on my talkpage. I think that is more appropriate. I will post it there. Thank you. Bemmax (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Bemmax Are you trolling me or something? the article in question was speedy deleted because it was a blatant promotional one & now you have re-created the same article faster than Flash would have & still didn’t do it properly by addressing why it was speedy deleted. Now asides the Promotional tone of the article, none of the sources you provided really discussed subject of our discussion, let alone with in-depth significant coverage as required in WP:GNG. Rather they mention his messy break up with his wife. It seems like the RS that mentions our subject of discussion in passing only do so in regards to his wife and their divorce as she is arguably a notable Nigerian actress which renders the RS useless, trivial & non imperative in this regard. As for Alfred Akawe Tokula I moved it to your draftspace because in this article I see potential notability & moved it so you could add at least 3 solid RS before you submit via AFC or move it straight to Mainspace yourself, whichever one you prefer. This potential notability is not observed in the Razak Lawal article hence I had to carry out my duty by taking it to an AFD. Please Review WP:GNG before creating articles in the future. I’m available to answer any further questions from you. Celestina007 (talk) 15:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Keep Adedayo OjoEdit

Thanks for your diligence on this platform. You're truly a great editor and motivation to me as will learn from your editing skills. However, kindly keep the page as is being worked on to address all the issues raised. Once again thanks for the work that you do here. Gideens (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Akgideens No need to worry. It appeared as though it could have been CSD’ed under G4 but an administrator has confirmed it is significantly different from the original one. So for now it is safe but generally I can see another editor has placed a notability tag on it so perharps it may be taken to an AFD where it’s fate shall be decided but no I won’t be the one to AFD it but in the mean time you could try & include pivotal RS that shows true evidence of your article’s subject being notable. Cheers.Celestina007 (talk) 17:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!Edit

  Hi dear Celestina,

Thank you for having interest in my article for Godspower Oparaugo. I do hope that your professionalism will graciously refine my article.

Authoritty (talk) 21:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Authoritty, I appreciate the kind gesture, I really do, but I’d be lying to you if I told you that article is a decent one because in actuality it just isn’t & invariably as with most promo articles, the subject of such articles aren’t usually notable & do not scale general notability guidelines so my advice to you is to find reliable sources (which from my own research do not exist) & include in the article. If there are certain guidelines/policies you want to study but do not know where or how to look for them do ensure to let me know & i’d be more than willing to point you to the appropriate direction.Celestina007 (talk) 00:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I am creating the article based on the authorship Godspower Oparaugo has, as something to make him notable, including his foundership of the Initiative for African Citizens (IAC). Authoritty (talk) 08:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Message from

I went through and think the article Oduma Essan is not a promotion or in any way against wiki policies...Please move it ! A Wiseman hears one word but understands two!! ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:23, 25 January 2020 (UTC), A potion from your statement above reads A Wiseman hears one word but understands two!! weird but that used to be my favorite proverb, in other words “Once spoken & twice heard is the wisdom of the wise” But oh well, unfortunately No! capital NO! I can’t remove an AFD tag as it has to run for seven days in which it’s fate would be decided. per general notability guidelines he is not notable as he does not seem to satisfy either WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR & WP:MUSICBIO Furthermore what you said can be interpreted as a threat but I’m acting in good faith here & I believe you do not know the implication of such statements on this collaborative project. Finally using multiple accounts & anonymous IP addresses to remove the AFD template on the article does not save it from being deleted of which I’m quite sure it is going to be. Lastly please if you are to receive money (Nigerian Naira) from Oduma Essan or have already received the money from Oduma Essan, ensure to disclose(tell us) this. Cheers.Celestina007 (talk) 13:43, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


Hi 6ft+ Amazon,

Keep up the rare works!

Danidamiobi (talk) 15:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Danidamiobi awnnn thanks for the kind words.Celestina007 (talk) 15:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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pls save this article Agnel Roman - pls tell what to doEdit

Hey, buddy my article Agnel Roman is deleted, pls help me to publish this article successfully.

Annki777 (talk) 16:12, 2729January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Annki777, although I can’t view the article now or remember why it was deleted initially, I believe it was speedy deleted under G11 (I’m not so sure now) perhaps next time try & create an article with a neutral tone & provide reliable sources substantiating their notability. Furthermore don’t accept any reward from anybody be it financially or otherwise for editing & also if you are too close to the subject of your article, maybe your boss, family member, family friend, office colleague, best friend, & even yourself as doing so would always obstruct a neutral point of view do you have any further question or questions? Celestina007 (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

help me to send Draft:Agnel Roman for review and publishEdit

Hello Celestina007, it was deleted for G4, but it was mistake, now the article is in Draft:Agnel Roman. pls check the article and help me to publish the same. Annki777 (talk) 16:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@Annki777, if it was deleted under a G4 then it cannot be a mistake. It means you re-created an article that was previously deleted via an AFD. An the said article is very much identical to the one deleted via the AFD. I cannot help you publish it because I can’t view the old article & can’t say for sure if the one in your draftspace is any different from the ones deleted before. Just so you know repeatedly creating an article that keeps getting deleted may lead to salting, something I’m sure nobody wants. Again I’d say this, don’t create articles for your friends, familly members, your spouse, boss, basically anyone you are close to. literally speaking there are other topics you may want to attend to.Celestina007 (talk) 11:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007, the re submission was totally different from the past article and that matter is clear now. it is in draft mode right now.pls check the same and help if you can, also i am not creating article for friends, family members, spouse, boss, or anyone close to me. thanks Annki777 (talk) 12:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Annki777, alright let me see what I can do about it. I see, now, there’s an AFC affixed to it so you don’t need anybody’s help to publish your article, just submit it for review as indicated. Celestina007 (talk) 11:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007, Hey, Celestina i have submitted the article for review after adding some new sources. pls check. thanks Annki777 (talk) 10:36, 04 February 2020 (UTC)

List of OccultistsEdit

I hope I am doing this correctly Celestina007.

While I was fixing the link to the wrong "St Cyprian", the associated description did not match the Wikipedia article nor the one citation link that would resolve for me. So I assumed "Sorcerer supreme of Antioch..." and "patron saint of dark magic" were vandalisations, and cleared them up. My apologies if I got that wrong. I defer to experience.

regards, LittleValleyGreen — Preceding unsigned comment added by LittleValleyGreen (talkcontribs) 05:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

LittleValleyGreen, First off, thanks for taking interest in Occult related articles because it’s not many of us out here these days & having heard your explanation your actions are very much justified but next time checking meticulously to see if the information provided in the article is consistent with the content provided in the source isn’t a bad idea. Celestina007 (talk) 13:36, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Help is neededEdit

hello @celestina007 pls I need you to give me some guidelines in regards to Wikipedia content creation and editing. am looking forward to seeing your reply Ecurrywap (talk) 07:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Ecurrywap, Hello, where & how do you require assistance? Celestina007 (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You've got mailEdit

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Now, it's time I declare some things so that I can be helped:

1. This is my first ever article. And I'm not writing it because I know the person, or been influenced by the person. Truthfully, I don't know this person, have not been influenced by this person, until a friend contracted me to write for this person.

2. I write the article in my Sandbox. But when it's time to save it, the only option I'm given is "PUBLISH PAGE". I don't see any option that tells me to save "AS DRAFT". So I choose the "PUBLISH PAGE" option and believe that it's saving as a page inside my Sandbox. For you guys to keep deleting the page is therefore suggesting to my mind that perhaps the page is not being saved and published into my Sandbox--but is actually being published Globally?

I need you to help me be clear on this, and also show me how not to publish an unpublished work, but rather save it as a Draft in my Sandbox.

3. The person I'm writing about didn't go to University. He stopped at Secondary School(what the Americans call High School). This suggests that he has a limited understanding of PROFILE BUILDING and NOTABILITY RESUME. But in Benue State of Nigeria where he comes from, he believes that he has done some things to make history remember him. Thus he asked to be put on Wikipedia(irrespective of his limited understanding of Notability).

My question is this---What exactly is the subtle definition of Notability in the Wikipedia Mind? If this man that I'm writing about has actually done some things that have helped people in Benue State of Nigeria, should this not qualify as someone to be remembered by the lives he touched? Does notability means that he's contributions should have Global and National impact? And small Community impacts don't matter and don't count as contributions?

I really need you to help me understand all the issues I've raised, and will be glad by the education I'm waiting to receive from you.

Sincere Regards Charles Charles Okorobo (talk) 11:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Okorobo, I’m not sure I understand why you keep sending me private mails & re-posting it verbatim on my talk page but nonetheless I promise I’d have time later in the day to reply you in detail as per the questions you asked.Celestina007 (talk) 02:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment — This is going to be a very long explanation so please open your eyes wide & read @Charles Okorobo, I promised to answer your questions & now i’d do that to the best of my ability. I would not bother you with all the legalese by posting numerous policies and guidelines but I’d rather explain them to you in their truest forms. Notability in this community is produced from a simple formula which is “in-depth significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject” that is basically what determines notability of a subject. Now having said that, even if an article is about a notable entity(of which yours isn’t I’m sorry to say) if it is blatantly promotional like yours it can still be speedy deleted under G11.(Which your draft article Draft:Sam Zuga is going to be if you don’t tone down all the promotional wordings you used throughout the article) If you don’t understand what & what constitutes promo or advert wordings you may wish to contact some ace copy editors like Versace1608 & appeal to them to assist you in this regard & if you don’t even know what a promo article is in the first place I’d say the best example would be any article that resembles yours. But in any case see WP:PROMO, WP:ADVERT, WP:NPOV, WP:FANPOV. Now another major concern I have with this article is your obvious WP:COI with the subject of your article which you unknowingly affirmed/revealed when you asked this questions above. Per our modus operandi; You may not write articles for your friends, family, place of work, your church or your spiritual leader/guru/sadhaguru/pastor/Bishop/G.O of your church & whatever titles this prosperity preachers are calling themselves these days but you get the gist right? Now what is a COI? It basically means in one way or another yourself & the subject of your article are affiliated directly or indirectly. The problem with a WP:COI is it impairs the neutrality / neutral point of view of an article. Furthermore you exhibit a vehement vested interest in this particular article when literally there are infinite things to write about which hints at undisclosed paid editing which is a capital no no in this collaborative project(Wikipedia). So if you have received any reward for this article to be published say financially, I’d advice you not to touch/spend a dime & return it to him faster than Flash from Dc comics would. Forgive my humor, I’m goofy like that. So Charles you got anymore questions? I’m happy to answer but ensure you contact Versace1608 to help with the overrall formatting of your article & ask him for help in removing blatant promotional statements in that article & if you really want to help build a better encyclopedia you should contact HandsomeBoy he is our president & a good tutor who organizes classes for Nigerians interested in becoming an asset to the encyclopedia.Celestina007 (talk) 22:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007, thanks for tagging me in this thread. I actually read Charles Okorobo's message a few days ago but didn't respond because I'm afraid of being labeled a talk page stalker (this is my horrible attempt at being sarcastic). @Charles Okorobo: Moving forward, please do not agree to create articles for people who are trying to have a Wikipedia presence; you can be labeled a WP:COI editor if you do so. Based on your note above, the person you're talking about does philanthropic outreach in his community. While I commend him for his humanitarian efforts, people are not considered notable simply because they help out in their communities. In response to one of your questions, notability is not synonymous with one's contributions having a global impact. People in small communities can be considered notable if they are discussed in reliable sources independent of them. Wikipedia prefers online sources but if there are offline sources that show this person passing WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO, then a separate BLP article would be warranted. Next time, if you want to request for an article to be created, follow the steps outlined here. Articles you write yourself can be submitted to AFC for review; if the article meets Wikipedia's notability criteria, someone from AFC will approve the article and move it to mainspace. Once you become an auto-confirmed user, you have the option to create articles by placing double brackets ([[]]) around the article's title; since you're new, I wouldn't recommend this option. Like Celestina007 said, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page anytime.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 23:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for pinging me to this discussion. You and Versace explained everything so well, and there is nothing for to add. I will advise Charles Okorobo to be focused on understanding Wikipedia policies and guidelines without any contraction from 3rd parties. That is usually a bad sign with newbies. HandsomeBoy (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of Mikey SeeEdit

Please Don't Delete
Celestina007, I love your user page, it is well written and designed. So, I have made an added effort to style my request.

Instead of voting to remove Mikey See's page, can you suggest changes to be made? I see you are a veteran editor; your advice would be helpful. Mikey See's page was one of the first pages that I've worked on and would love to salvage it. I can add changes if needed. However, I can assure you; he is notable. I just might not be adding enough or the correct references. Thank you. Dr Wing (talk) 04:04, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Brutacular, Hello, sorry I’m just replying you. If you think somewhere out there that there are enough reliable sources to prove the notability of your article’s subject then begin to add them to the article & endeavor not to leave anything to chance because if you aren’t able to provide reliable sources it is unlikely my rationale would change as the subject of your article in my opinion (as of now) does not meet general notability guidelines or satisfy any criterion listed in WP:SINGER. Celestina007 (talk) 14:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


Hello Celestina! You recently tagged a page I created, Johnny Dang, as an advert. I thought I did a good job at keeping it neutral - I believe the external links are appropriate and the content doesn't strike me as promotional. Do you have any suggestions as to how I can improve the article and avoid this in the future? Mbdfar (talk) 23:48, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Mbdfar, see WP:NPOV. But regardless I’d help you make the necessary copyedits later in the day. Celestina007 (talk) 08:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
  Done @Mbdfar, Check your article now & you’d see that I have trimmed it to an encyclopedic standard & all promo words have been removed. Celestina007 (talk) 11:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the help! That certainly clears things up for me - I can see where I went wrong. Thanks! Mbdfar (talk) 18:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Mbdfar, I’m glad I could be of assistance. Celestina007 (talk) 19:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Łukasz SzumowskiEdit

May I know what exactly is undersourced? There are more sources than there are sentences T Magierowski (talk) 11:07, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

T Magierowski, funny you should ask seeing as the answer to your question is infact in the question you asked. I believe the word under sourced is quite self explanatory. Celestina007 (talk) 11:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Care to elaborate as to what part of the article exactly needs more sources? Each sentence has a source, I have added 2 more to the draft yet both say the same thing as the 1 that was already in there. T Magierowski (talk) 11:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
T Magierowski, if you have added two more sources then that’s okay as it is no longer what I’d classify as “under-sourced” However submitting your article via the AFC process isn’t a bad idea but it is not madandatory! You may as well move it back to Main-space yourself as that is your prerogative Celestina007 (talk) 11:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I have moved it to the mainspace, and added another source along the way, do I delete the "Articles for creation process" tag? T Magierowski (talk) 11:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
T Magierowski, yeah, feel free to. Celestina007 (talk) 11:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Message from ZawZawMdyEdit

Dear celestina007 Please don’t delete the article of Zaw Myint Oo. I wrote and based on all reliable source from Myanmar Website.He is an artist of Myanmar Singer/Composer and also journalist.I can guarantee all data sources are reliable and authentic.So, please review all refer data and facts the article of Zaw Myint Oo.

Hello @ZawZawMdy, I definitely cannot delete your page as conventionally only sysops perform such actions. The deletion or retention of your page would be decided in an AFD. Anyways that aside you really need to come clean and tell the truth only then can I really help you clarify certain things & direct you appropriately. Please answer the following; are you writing about yourself? did the subject of your article contact you to create this page for them? Were you paid to create this article? are you related to the subject of your article in any capacity? Furthermore I’m having a notability problem here, have you by any chance seen WP:GNG before? If not, you may want to study it before creating articles in future. Have you also seen these; WP:AUTO, WP:!HERE, WP:COI & WP:PAID ? If not you may need to see those also. Lest I forget you should always sign your comments in order not to cause confusion. See WP:SIGN. Celestina007 (talk) 20:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear Celestina 007!

About this Article, I can sign for are misunderstanding with me and Suject of Article is same. Actually, I am Zaw Zaw staying at Mandalay city ‘s freelance journalist. I can’t understand how ‘s think article name and author name.I can guarantee all reliable facts and data. Zaw Zaw [[[User:ZawZawMdy|ZawZawMdy]] (talk) 20:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)]

ZawZawMdy, okay so apparently you can’t sign nor indent properly but that’s not a major issue anyway, you could always learn that in a minute or less. Moving forward, so both of your names (yours & his own) just happens to bare an uncanny resemblance & that’s just supposed to be a mere coincidence right? that’s pretty convenient if you ask me. Celestina007 (talk) 21:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 I'd say it's an even bigger coincidence that they both share the same profession as journalists and that ZawZawMdy also happens to have professional stock photo of the subject on hand. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
GPL93, Ha! good catch! you know what they say; if it quacks like one it most likely is one. @ZawZawMdy care to explain that? Celestina007 (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear Celestina007 and GPL93,

        I think you ‘re big misunderstanding. I am currently  working at Irrawaddy Media ‘s Journalist Zaw Zaw. You can see my name about Mandalay local News from Irrawaddy News channel.I wrote first Article Subject Zaw Myint Oo Who was journalist during the 2013 SEA Games Time for the first time.Last 5days ago, I heard Rock and Myanmar Culture Mixed Music from FM channel,and then I find the musician from social media platform finally I saw him. I can’t understand how you were thought just only one person.So, come and check Irrawaddy Media Social Platform. You will see my name and my photo.please check that.

Jio Platforms LimitedEdit

Hello, I have noticed that you have moved my page to drafts while i was making it. Even though i have tagged it as 'Under Construction'. Well, i have edited the draft section now. Can you please review it? Thank you. Lakshmisreekanth (talk) 23:25, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Lakshmisreekanth, how can you publish a blank page & put an “under construction” tag on it? Like it was literally blank & you affixed an under construction tag on it, who does that? Furthermore, conventionally in this community it is good practice to do all your work in the draftspace or sandbox before moving it to mainspace. I’m not an AFC reviewer so I literally cannot review your article. But you however can submit your article via the WP:AFC process & an AFC reviewer would review the article for you. Celestina007 (talk) 23:33, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
I was told to make articles like this by someone here. I'm very sorry, I don't know about that. I thought we can create an article under it. Turns out i was wrong. I do know about sandbox but i am not very experienced here. So i don't know about everything. Anyway thank you for your advice. It was indeed helpful. Lakshmisreekanth (talk) 23:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Lakshmisreekanth, Please do tell me right here & now which editor told you so because they obviously lied to you. You however are not mandated to submit your article via an WP:AFC process you yourself can move it back to Mainspace if you have significantly worked on the article & have at least three references in the article. Celestina007 (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

AFD replyEdit

Sorry about your glasses Celestina007. Hope you get a new one soon :-)  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:38, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Versace1608, haha thanks a lot for caring. Funny thing really, I should be getting a new one later in the day. Celestina007 (talk) 00:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
That's cool. Are you currently in Lagos? Hope you're staying safe wherever you are.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 00:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Versace1608, yes! I’m in Lagos, I try my best to stay safe but staying indoors 24/7 even for a recluse like myself is proving nigh-impossible. Aren’t you in Lagos as well? Celestina007 (talk) 02:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
No. I live in Maryland, USA. I used to live in Naija between 2002 and 2004.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 03:06, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Versace1608, whaaattttt??????? Couldn’t have guessed that correctly. I always imagined you lived somewhere in Lagos Island. It’s good you relocated when you did. Nigeria is currently in a state of anarchy even before the Covid-19 pandemic “reached Nigeria” we had already been living in utter lawlessness but it’s worse now particularly in Lagos, Ogun & Northern Nigeria. For Lagos & Ogun state the reason is; the government ordered a lockdown in both states without providing relief material to residents of both states so armed robbery has now become very much “normal” as it occurs daily now, like literally everyday in Ogun state somebody somewhere is robbing someone with a firearm. As for Lagos state news of armed robbery cases have increased exponentially although not as terrible as Ogun state but I feel with the government proposing an additional two weeks at the end of this current lockdown on the 27th of April, Lagos state might just be as dangerous as Ogun is right now. Only very few us privileged to reside in gated communities feel somewhat safe in Lagos. As for nothern Nigeria, well, same old same old Boko Haram terrorist bombings & kidnappings as usual, nothing new there. It’s dangerous out here in Nigeria it’s a good thing you’re far from this mess. But I’m worried about the mortality rate due to the Coronavirus in America. Please do stay safe & indoors always except in dire situations. Celestina007 (talk) 04:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
It's really sad to hear all of these things still happening in Nigeria. I don't know when corrupt leaders are going to get their act together. It's because of them people are looting and stealing. It's really sad to see the most populous country in Africa still experience these kinds of situations in this day and age. I feel Nigeria needs some kind of revolution before things are going to turn around. In my view, more young people need to be in leadership positions; a country with a young population should not be governed by old men. Nigerians need to put their religious differences aside and become more unified. Tribalism and sexism should also be weakened. Only Nigerian youth can save Nigeria. If people stop selling their votes for bags of rice every election season, these politicians will not always believe they are above the law. They need to start being held accountable for their actions.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 09:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Versace1608, come look at this; it appears the editor from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Anix (2nd nomination) who was quite upset because I implied they were sockpuppets of someone else were actually involved in Sockpuppetry.Celestina007 (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm not suprised. I'm glad they were blocked.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 20:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Versace1608, the war against Sockpuppetry, COI editing & undisclosed paid editing even here in Nigeria is a very powerful one & it’s a good thing few honest editors like yourself are still out here to combat such.Celestina007 (talk) 21:23, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on deletion of Anoop Krishnan pageEdit

Hi Celestina007, as per your comment under Articles of Deletion entry for the page Anoop Krishnan, I had added more citations, added relevant images and corrected some content as well. Anoop is a notable actor in the household of Kerala television viewers and is quite popular all over Kerala. I have made the change from actor to television actor to substantiate this. You also mentioned that the award he received is not a notable one. I dont agree with that. Asianet is the #1 channel in Kerala and it belongs to Star Network. The television series Anoop is being part of is rated as the best and highest viewed television show among all the television channels in the state. Hence, when he receives an award for the best on-screen pair in a television award ceremony, its notable and relevant. Hence I request you to re-evaluate your findings and release the deletion lock. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakeshrnath (talkcontribs) 13:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ajay KapurEdit

Hello Celestina007. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ajay Kapur, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Far more sources than when it was deleted last time. Needs to go to AfD if you still think it should be deleted. . Thank you. GedUK  09:31, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Ged UK, thanks for the courtesy of giving me a feedback. I placed a G4 because it appeared the article had been deleted via an AFD process but as I am unable to see the previous page I couldn’t tell if or not they resembled each other & went on to carry out my duty regardless but thanks for the clarification I’d revisit the page later in the day & access it generally. Celestina007 (talk) 09:38, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Yeah that's the slight flaw in the system! It's similar to last time, but beefed up a bit. Whether that's enough for AfD I can't say, but it's changed enough to not meet the speedy criterion anymore. GedUK  19:38, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


Celestina007, An article has been nominated Edmon imseeh To delete. This article is for a real and famous personality and is the first fashion designer in the Palestine region, He participated in international festivals and festivals to choose Miss Arab. I hope to undo the deletion, I will develop the article appropriately. But I hope to undo the deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osps7 (talkcontribs) 22:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Celestina007 , I hope to remove the delete template — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osps7 (talkcontribs) 17:52, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Osps7, no you may not do that. See WP:AFD. Celestina007 (talk) 19:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

My Recent ArticleEdit

i added three sources. KoreanDragon (talk) 23:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

KoreanDragon, if you have added three sources then you are free to move it back to mainspace. Biographical articles are treated specially & if one is on mainspace without at least one source it most likely would be moved back to draftspce.Celestina007 (talk) 23:39, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Invite to WikiGap Nigeria contest 2020Edit

Hello Celestina007,

Kudos on all the great works you do here and hope you are keeping safe. I want to invite you to participate in the 2 week long WikiGap Online Wikipedia contest that started 29 April to 13 May.

This is a contest primarily conceived to bridge the gender gap on Wikipedia by creating articles of Nigerian women due to the gender bias that exists; I am contacting you primarily also because when we organize contest like this, we realized that we have many of inexperienced Wikipedians participating while the experienced wikipedians like you are left out or disenfranchised.

We have amazing prices available to be won and the contest is organized as a step beyond our physical training meetup here in Nigeria in partnership with the Swedish Embassy in Nigeria, African Women in the Media, Wiki Women in Red, Wiki in Africa and Wikimedia Sverige

Kindly check the project landing page for more details here

Best regards, Kaizenify (talk) 10:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Mongia TaboubiEdit

Hi i added citation for Draft:Mongia Taboubi. coud you verify this draft thanks --MagieRouge (talk) 20:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Jeanie LambeEdit

Hello Celestina007. I feel Jeanie Lambe needs recognition certainly as a jazz singer as she has recorded a number of LPs, having also worked with Danny Moss as a duet. She was a prolific jazz singer on the UK circuit in the 1960s and 1970s and has also appeared on the BBC's 'Sounds of Jazz' programme broadcast nationally on BBC Radio 1 (Sunday evenings) in the early 1970s which was introduced by Peter Clayton. I accept that she was not a prolific actress as such, merely playing herself. I think perhaps deletion may be a little over the top and have removed the 'actress' information. I suspect the 'actress' citations may have invoked this for deletion. Just wondered what your thoughts were?

WikiProject India 10,000 ChallengeEdit

  Hello Celestina007. You are invited to join the new WikiProject India 10,000 Challenge, a challenge which aims to see 10,000 improvements, destubs, and creations for Indian articles, covering every state of India and topic. Articles on all related topics are welcome. We need numbers to make this work and do something extraordinary for India on Wikipedia! Every 100 articles submitted will be copied into the wider Asian challenge. Sign up on the page if interested and start contributing!
If you know someone who might be interested, please invite them by:
{{subst:WikiProject India/The 10,000 Challenge Invite|~~~~}}

Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:47, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

DRN Volunteer Roll Call - Action RequiredEdit

There has been no roll call since November 2017 so with that said, it is time to clean up the volunteer list. Please go to the Roll Call list and follow the instructions. If no response is received by May 30, 2020, it will be assumed that you no longer wish to participate and you will be removed as a DRN volunteer. Thank you for your attention to this and for helping Wikipedians in their dispute processes.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up at 12:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Madagascar NavyEdit

Hi Celestina007,

I hope you are staying safe. I modified the Draft:Madagascar Navy article taking into consideration your remarks.

Kindly note that If you wish you can publish it.

With my best Regards,

Georges —Preceding undated comment added 21:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Georges Aoun, Infact i am keeping safe & hope you are too. When I draftified the article (because it had no sources) an option to submit the article via the AFC process was auto generated but apparently you deleted it. Now that you have included sources to the article, if you want to you may by your own self move the article back to mainspace or submit it via the article for creation process whichever one you prefer. Celestina007 (talk) 01:50, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Tanaza Draft Page - Paul Smith 1970Edit

Good morning Celestina007, here is Paul Smith 1970. I'm writing to you regards your last comments on the page that I've written dedicated to Tanaza. I would contest your comment because in the creation of the page I've tried to be more as factual a basis as possible. What it's written on the page is simply what Tanaza is and what is its history, no promotional intent. I have used some reference articles and websites of high-level (such as Facebook Engineering Blog, Sole 24 ore, Yahoo Finance, and also two patents by Google Patents approved by US Government).

It's not a promotional intent to say that a company has won important awards or create partnerships in its sector. It's simply the story. About the chapter of philanthropy, there are multiple examples of companies on Wikipedia that talk about their "good deeds". Philanthropy is not a promotional intent for the business itself, but also an opportunity to use the name of the company as a medium to touch public opinion on a certain important topic for society.

This is my explanation to defend what I've written. Please, leave a comment to let me understand what is wrong in this style of writing because honestly, the commercial scope is not present in this article.

If you can, help also with a list of metadata that can help to have not a deletion.

I'm glad to understand and learn these shades between my style of writing and your perception of reading because I've written following all the Wikipedia Rules.

Paul Smith 1970, “I've written following all the Wikipedia Rules” Ehh not quite. Seeing as you just joined 22 hours ago i’d go ahead to leave a list of policies in your talk page you may need to read before creating any new articles also please always sign your comments see WP:SIGN. Celestina007 (talk) 11:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 Can you explain to me what I have to delete to be "less promotional"? The exact part in which I'm too promotional. I'll delete them immediately. It could be a good occasion for me to understand better for a future update of the article or the creation of new articles, written in perfect way. :Paul Smith 1970
@Paul Smith 1970, in my candid opinion id suggest you allow this to rest & focus on other things. Appearing as a single purpose account for promotional editing only can & would get you blocked. Per the question you asked on what part of your article was promotional in nature I’d say the entirety of the article was promotional see WP:NPOV. Celestina007 (talk) 12:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

You've got mailEdit

Hello, Celestina007. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Olatunde Brain (talk) 06:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Tolu' A Akinyemi NominationEdit

Dear celestine007 please the article Tolu' A Akinyemi is not to be confused with Tolu Akinyemi even though coincidentally both individuals shared the same country of origin, country of residence and profession, they are in fact two different professionals who have accomplished and excelled in the writing industry, please find the cited links to Amazon, press releases and interviews to further confirm its authenticity. Tolu' A Akinyemi is born Toluwalope Adeola Akinyemi, lives in Newcastle upon tyne, and he has seven books to his name. While Tolu Akinyemi who is mostly known as poetolu lives in London and has published just three books. Further investigation on YouTube, Goodreads and Amazon will further prove the article worthy. Please kindly undo the nomination as soon as all sources have been verified. Thank you and best regards Olatunde Brain (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Brain7days, I know, and I made that clear at the WP:DELREASON of the AFD. Tolu' A Akinyemi is the non notable one which is why I nominated it for deletion. I’m not confused thank you. Besides why are you sending me a private mail? Also feel free to explain to me how you have an up close photograph of him as your “own work” if you have a WP:COI with the subject of the article you are advised not to edit the article directly let alone create one without declaring the COI. Celestina007 (talk) 14:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
I clearly understand you reason why I created this article, I am a writer and poet myself and I know these men for their contribution in the industry. I realised that Tolu' A Akinyemi has been mistook for Tolu Akinyemi on many grounds which has deprived him of all the recognition he deserves. I have read their books, attended their book launch. Which is why I take it upon myself to create this article. Tolu' A Akinyemi is contributing immensely in the industry, his books have been discussed on virtually all the newspaper and magazine across Nigeria. But unfortunately when people talk about the author they have the picture of his fellow countrymen in their head and that has really dented his nobility. Olatunde Brain (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
@Brain7days, That doesn’t seem to be the case here & like I said, I conducted a before search & discovered both poets have similar names, one seemed to be somewhat notable(barely meeting GNG) & one clearly was not, the non notable individual is the one whose article is at the AFD right now, like I already said I am not confused. Furthermore you cleverly avoided the question on how you got the image in the article as your “own work” but I’d assume per your comments above which implies you have attended their supposed “Book Launch” explains that & Lastly per WP:RS, Amazon & Youtube are not not necessarily reliable sources.Celestina007 (talk) 14:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Pardon my persistence but I feel guilty that being a wiki editor and a member of the industry I am in the best position to distinguish between these two young men. I've got authorised pictures of Tolu Akinyemi too. However I just cited a few articles and links from the British Library, University of Hertfordshire Library, Amazon Author Central and Google Books to further strengthen the authenticity of this article. I know what it takes to get one book published how much more seven books trust me this subject is an icon in his league. Olatunde Brain (talk) 16:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Brain7days, By saying he is an icon in his league I assume you mean his popular in the literary world but on Wikipedia and in the immortal words of Versace1608, popularity is not synonymous with notability. Furthermore your fixation on explaining to me what I already told you I understood right from the jump is getting quite annoying tbh.Celestina007 (talk) 19:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
This article meets the general notability guideline it doesn't deserve to be deleted! Except you want to point out to me that the sources are unverifiable Olatunde Brain (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Brain7days, you can not verify information from unreliable sources.Celestina007 (talk) 20:19, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
If the British Library isn't reliable, and the nation newspaper, the guardian newspaper, Amazon,Google books, Goodreads are unreliable source. I might as well need to atteattend your institution of "reliable sources. Olatunde Brain (talk) 20:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Brain7days, Amazon, Goodreads & co aren’t reliable sources & no you don’t need to attend my “institution of reliable sources” infact you don’t need to attend any institution at all, all you need do is become conversant with policies which you clearly have no knowledge on before attempting to create any other articles, I also noticed you created an article about yourself which has been rightfully taken to an AFD by a different editor. For starters you may need to learn how to indent your comments properly then go do some reading of our policies & guidelines before badgering my talk page. You feel me? Now off you go! Celestina007 (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 you claimed Amazon and co are not reliable sources here you are justifying this and this and this whereas you claimed this this this are not reliable? and then you employed user:versace1608 to back your claims? i see why you listed him among your influencers isn't that meatpuppetry?. Please let's close this discussion because it is over, you simply could not say 'i don't know him' i am not surprise because you even claimed the notable subject barely meets GNG, it is obvious that you probably haven't encounter them or their works. Let this discussion end. Make your decision, your comments are more personal as against WP: APR Close the discussion and let it end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brain7days (talkcontribs) 17:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Brain7days: I don't understand why you are citing sources relating to Bobrisky. This discussion is about Akinyemi; why are bringing up Bobrisky? What exactly do you mean by Celestina007 "employed" me to back up her claims? Do you have any evidence to support this statement and your outrageous meat puppetry claim? For your info, I participate in AFDs regularly and always visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Nigeria. Just because Celestina007 and I vote similarly doesn't mean we are colluding; this just means we both understand Wikipedia's notability notability requirements. Here is my philosophy man: If I come across an article I believe doesn't meet our notability criteria, I do not hesitate to nominate it for deletion. Not every article I nominate for deletion actually gets deleted and if this article doesn't end up getting deleted, I'm fine with the outcome. In regards to the sources you listed here, you need to add them to the article.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 18:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Brain7days, sigh, the only reason I bother with you (replying you) is because you remind me of me back when I began editing in 2016, so filled with fire but grossly lacking competency & knowledge of policies and guidelines if it weren’t for that I’d have taken the aspersion of calling me a meatpuppet as a personal attack & taken you to an ANI & request you be blocked effective immediately. Now a source is reliable when they have a reputation for fact checking & possess editorial oversight & you’d see that all three possess the aforementioned qualities. You can talk smack at me all you like but never you involve @Versace1608 in your negative remarks, words can’t even describe his positive works towards building the perfect encyclopedia. You really do owe him an apology. I see potential in you & we need this kind of fire in relatively new Nigerian editors but you have to channel that “fire” into learning basic policies and guidelines first else you risk getting in trouble with an editor other than myself & risk getting yourself blocked. Don’t forget to also always assume good faith & please start by apologizing to Versace1608. Celestina007 (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

:@versace1608 I'm not the type that disrespect pioneers but i find it hard to believe that the article will be deleted on such grounds. I AM SORRY also to :@celestina007 Apologies.

Brain7days, I hope Versace1608 does accept your apology. In-fact he adopts new editors, so if you are here to actually build a better encyclopedia, you may ask him to “adopt you” adopting basically means he becomes your guardian, teaches you, aids you, offers you advice and directs you appropriately until you reach the level of an experienced editor & can stand “on your own”. Say for example if you become his adoptee & you intend to create an article x he may tell you if or not it’s a good idea hence saving you this whole ordeal you have been through. P.S he is the most advanced Nigerian copy-editor. Celestina007 (talk) 19:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 honestly one really do need a guardian angel on here. I've been looking for who will adopt me before, that God :@versace1608 is here oo but he has to adopt me outside wiki too o.. Lol, I'm sorry for the initial edit warring no harms intended please

@celestina007 is appears @versace1608 did not adopt me because he did not accept my apologies. Olatunde Brain (talk) 22:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Brain7days, not necessarily, @Versace1608, isn’t one to hold grudges plus he is a very busy editor & most importantly if you want him to adopt you, you have to go to his talk page & formally request that he adopts you, I merely suggested it & that doesn’t translate to him auto accepting it because I suggested it. So I like I said go to his talk page & formally request to be adopted. Celestina007 (talk) 22:15, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
@celestina007 Noted!, Thank you. Help withdraw this nomination now. Adoption request sent! Olatunde Brain (talk) 22:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


Yo why did you remove my sons article TTV Octxpes (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

TTV Octxpes, please expatiate further I don’t understand what you are implying. As in I drafitfied an article titled “My sons” or your son in real life created an article that I nominated for deletion/moved to draft? Celestina007 (talk) 20:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Well I’m just tryna get his name up like I can’t do that for my Son and when I say Son that doesn’t mean he is my son Actually he is my friends but we call each other Our Son cuz that’s New York Slang TTV Octxpes (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Regardless of whether it is you, your son, or your friend is unimportant. You cannot add non-notable persons to Wikipedia; Wikipedia is not a self-promotion platform. This is why your content is being removed. Until you/your son/your friend become notable in their own right, i.e receive widespread coverage in media for example, they cannot be added. Please take a read of Advertising guidelines, the Notability guidelines, and guidelines on neutrality. Madbrad200 (talk) 16:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


Please the information of his/her secondary school education is false. Bobrisky did not attend kings college lagos Abokebe (talk) 09:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Abokebe, most reliable sources give Kings College as her secondary school & this could easily be verified. Keeping in mind that this collaborative project is about verifiability & not truth. However I’d like to hear what you have to say, so if she didn’t attend KC what secondary school did she attend then? Celestina007 (talk) 09:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Reliable sources like blogs? The only reliable source is the schoo itself. I am an alumni of the school and i have checked from school records that this fellow did not attend the school at any point in time. I regard wikipedia as a reliable source of information and before now i always thought that info gotten from here is indeed verified from reliabe source and not just heresay or blog gossip.
As for where he schooled, i have no interest or any idea of that.
If you can please share the reliabe sources you mentioned it will be great Abokebe (talk) 10:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Abokebe, do this, this & this look like blogs to you? Or didn’t you learn how to tell a reliable source from a blog? Apparently you didn’t! whilst you’re at it feel free to learn how to WP:INDENT properly before leaving asinine comments on my talk page. Anymore questions?Celestina007 (talk) 10:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Now you are being very rude by calling my comments asinine. But i'm not surprised because of the quality of your information. Those sites to cited are gossip news outlets not so different from blogs. If you say he attended kings college then what year? What graduating set? You dont have answers to this because they do not exist. Instead of copying and pasting from gossip news, feel free to do some intelligent work and verify this claim from the kings college old boys association.
@Abokebe, I cant keep going back and forth with you, You just posted a phone number & asked me to contact them which I had to delete because it is very much inappropriate to post such on this collaborative project but of course you wouldn’t know that! You lot who watch how to edit Wikipedia on YouTube & jump to editing instead of actually taking time to study our policies and guidelines are constituting a great nuisance. You just referred to The Sun (Nigeria) & The Nation Online which are amongst the few Nigerian Reliable sources as “not so different from gossip blogs” if those aren’t asinine comments, what are they? In any case the information that she attended Kings College would remain there for all eternity as verifiable information from reliable sources say so & also cease and desist from calling Bobrisky a “He” , you use “He” for males, Bobrisky is a 27 year old trans-woman & as such you should respect that & her choice of pronouns & forthwith use “she” instead. Didn’t KC teach you Pronouns? Celestina007 (talk) 11:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Your snide remarks tell a lot about your personality. You are a small minded person, you lack knowledge but yet so full of yourself. Very typical of someone with your character. Total waste of my time. Abokebe (talk) 11:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC) This is really not my style. Apologies for the earlier remarks. I have no issues with you or with the personality involved.I just wanted to point out a piece of the article that wasnt factual. But you have maintained that since the source were the websites you mentioned then fine. I guess if i have any alternative reliable source of a contradictory statement then i have to provide it to help the wiki community right?Again, my apologies for my remarks, i only reacted to your snide comments. I have nothing against you. Abokebe (talk) 11:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Abokebe, Apology accepted, I encounter harsh & derogatory comments every now & again, they are inevitable. if you have found contradictory information pertaining to the name of her secondary school in reliable sources, then of course the community would be very much interested & would be eager to have a look at the source & it’s information. Celestina007 (talk) 12:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Abokebe: Please refrained from making insults. This is a collaborative space and civility is promoted here. Calling someone "small minded" and saying they are full of themselves can get you blocked from editing. Contrary to what you think, the two newspaper sources mentioned above are not unreliable. Please familiarize yourself with WP:RS. You need to provide a reliable source to support the info you are challenging. We are not obligated to believe you simply because you attended the school.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 18:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: DJ BallyEdit

Hello Celestina007. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of DJ Bally, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. creffett (talk) 12:14, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Black ChamberEdit

Did you even bother to read my answer before you acted. You are acting like you own Wikipedia.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 14:56, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Gaarmyvet, okay this made me laugh for a second. When you draftify an article a message is auto generated to the editor who created the article, so at the time you read the message your article had already been moved to draftspace. You replying that auto generated message meant or could have done nothing at that point & I wouldn’t even have seen the message had I not manually check your edit history to confirm what exactly your grievance was. In any case I moved it to draftspace because it had potential to be better than it currently was, however, when you beef it up a bit you can always move it back to main-space. Are we happy now? Celestina007 (talk) 15:04, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
No, "we" are not happy. Why don't you go through Wikipedia and draftify every other stub befofre you draftify my five-minute-old effort?--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 15:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Gaarmyvet, look don’t make me look like the bad “guy” here. You do all your work in your draftspace or sandbox & when the article is ready for mainspace you then move it to mainspace. It wouldn’t have been any business of mine if your article was in draftspace or in your sandbox but when I see it on mainspace it becomes my business even if it is 5 seconds old in so far as it is not mainspace worthy, I would do what I would do. A stub on mainspace isn’t necessarily a problem, however a stub with no sources none whatsoever is a problem.Celestina007 (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm not trying to make you the bad guy. I'm trying to understand why, when there are more than 180,000 articles without references it was so important to draftify mine today.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 18:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Gaarmyvet, lmao that’s because I accidentally came across it. Why are you acting like I deleted the page when you know you can add at least one reliable source & move it back to Mainspace? Or do you need my help in doing that? Celestina007 (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
I got it.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 19:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Gaarmyvet, Aha! So I guess we are happy now. If you have further questions I’m always a ping away.Celestina007 (talk) 19:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Dakona MachogaEdit

but it is half in english is it'nt? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Film-Crasher20 (talkcontribs) 15:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Film-Crasher20, no! It isn’t! you better turn all of that to English as soon as possible.Celestina007 (talk) 15:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
did you read bototm of it?
Film-Crasher20, I did & that cant even constitute 3% English use let alone “half” using the word “half” is a stretch.Celestina007 (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
If Ananya can read it, you can read it. Don't be a guda habena in Manajyala and Oriya! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Film-Crasher20 (talkcontribs) 15:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Film-Crasher20, can’t say I understand what you just told me not to be, but I bet it’s something derogatory. Anyways some other fine editor has nominated your article for a speedy deletion.Celestina007 (talk) 15:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

User BlockEdit

Hi @Celestina007, in lieu of the ongoing AfD at Lil5ive, Oyasoyas has continued to remove the AfD notice from the article after their fourth warning. Do you think this is block-worthy? xRENEGADEx 23:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@xRENEGADEx, If they persist after several warnings then yes. I’m sure they aren’t familiar with policy so I’d go ahead to issue out a few warnings & if they continue i’d be forced to take appropriate tough actions. Oh! It appears @Mz7 already blocked them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007, well I guess that is resolved then... xRENEGADEx 23:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
@xRENEGADEx, it is indeed their block came following this SPI I filed:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Peter OKH. Celestina007 (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Paul Vicknair you deletedEdit

Source Rhkyley5 (talk) 15:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rhkyley5, no I did not delete it. Check here >>> Draft:Paul Vicknair. I merely moved it back to draftspace so you could add more sources to the article before submitting it via the WP:AFC process or moving it back to mainspace.Celestina007 (talk) 15:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Empower WorkEdit

Please don't delete the page. Do you have recommendations on how to make it less promotional? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfoakbay (talkcontribs) 18:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Sfoakbay, I don't. Celestina007 (talk) 22:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
I've used Crisis Text Line and Save the Children as templates. Don't think it differs too much from those. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfoakbay (talkcontribs) 04:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Alex OkorojiEdit

Hello Celestina007. You recently tagged a page I edited, Alex Okoroji, it was tagged for speedy deletion citing CSD G11. And I declined the speedy deletion. I also noticed you who put up a notice requesting permanent protection from creation under the name. Why? This article has been created only once since 2016. Just once.

If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. Note: Any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion. So, I'm confused as to why the sudden decision to delete, instead of fixing the issues with it. 


  • She has had significant roles in multiple films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
  • Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to the field of entertainment in Nigeria.
  • She has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series).
  • She also has significant coverage. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

You left me a message on my talk page about using Wikipedia for Promotional Purposes. Truth is I'm still learning the ropes here. I thought I did a good job at keeping my edits neutral - and the content doesn't strike me as promotional.

Do you have any suggestions as to how I can improve the article and avoid this in the future, as I hope to contribute to more varied articles? Joykodiri (talk) 08:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Joykodiri, Although the article has now been speedy deleted. I should address a few things, the first is; you as a non-admin cannot “decline” a CSD tag, you can only contest it. Second is, seeing as “you are still learning the ropes” you may want to look at a couple of our fundamental policies and guidelines before attempting to create any new articles let alone re-create the Alex Okoroji article. I am going ahead to leave a couple of those policies on your talk page. Finally, if I have seemed tough on you, that wasn’t my intention. If you do have any further questions I’m always a ping away. Celestina007 (talk) 19:09, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


Hi, why did you revert my message to [1]. If you two have some sort of dispute I am not really interested in getting involved. Other than that, take care.BabbaQ (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@BabbaQ, hello. my device currently suffered a major malfunction yesterday & the day before as it got submerged in liquid. My apologies, that was totally due to the device malfunction. Furthermore @ToBeFree, thank you for the ping. This malfunction has totally ruined my week & occured at the worst time, seeing as the malfunction coincidentally occurred almost immediately my NPP examination commenced. Celestina007 (talk) 13:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Omg, I am so sorry. Too touchy. Hope you forgive me as well. Take care.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I should have just asked you what happened before doing anything else. I feel a bit bad now :)BabbaQ (talk) 13:27, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
BabbaQ, It’s okay dear colleague. All is well. Celestina007 (talk) 13:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

UCC Holding marked for deletionEdit

Hi there. You've marked the page I created today for UCC Holding for deletion due to it being 'unambiguously promotional'. I have contested this as I disagree with your assessment - it is all externally cited/sourced and I took care to present the information in a neutral informative tone. But I would be interested to know what led you to this judgement? It is my first article so eager to learn / see it from your point of view. Abjectcat (talk) 14:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Abjectcat, if it’s your first article then see WP:YFA, WP:CORP, WP:NPOV, WP:N, WP:PROMO & WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 14:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I had already read many of these before starting on the article but have re-read. I would be interested to know what specific elements you found to be unambiguously promotional and grounds for deletion under G11, given it states "any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion" Abjectcat (talk) 12:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Abjectcat, I’ve gone ahead to remove the CSD tag but nonetheless endeavor to make copyedits on the article. Celestina007 (talk) 21:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Contesting speedy deletion of Ismaila Isa FuntuaEdit

Hi, I created the Ismaila Isa Funtua article and just noticed you deleted the article due to alleged copyright infringements. This is incorrect, because I actually edited the article several times. I've checked my contributions and can't quite find when exactly I created the article (sometime in March/April I presume). It seems to me that the two online blogs you referenced actually copied from the article. It'd be great if you can assist. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerzuran (talkcontribs) 02:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Zerzuran, I can’t, as I can’t make sense of anything you have said so far. Plus it appears the page has now been deleted. Celestina007 (talk) 02:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

An Indian actor writer draftEdit

Hi, Celestina007 as per information at WP:AFC/RBS, I would like to draw your attention to Draft:Anuj Tikku which you might be interested to review. Thank you. ~ Amkgp 05:52, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Amkgp, fine. I’d look into it. It doesn’t seem like the editor has submitted it for review though. Okay! I’ve started reviewing it. Celestina007 (talk) 05:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Tessa9624 about updating Kenneth Okolie pageEdit

Hello, You write me about updating Kenneth Okolie page without reliable source. The section was about an award . I added a source who is Kenneth Okolie official Instagram Page. So i'm going to put that link here and i will let you check by yourself before reposting the section. Thank you for your feedback — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tessa9624 (talkcontribs) 18:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tessa9624, quit using his Instagram as a reliable source to substantiate his awards won. Celestina007 (talk) 10:52, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for your information. Is this source is better ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tessa9624 (talkcontribs) 16:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Tessa9624, nope! It isn’t. You know what, I’d find a source for you & include it in the article later on so that you focus on other things. Celestina007 (talk) 18:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

My Article Wasif Boutros Ghali moved to draftspaceEdit

Hi, thanks for your interest in the Foreign Ministers of Egypt. I added the only significant English-language citation to the draft:Wasif Boutros Ghali page. I'm working to improve the comprehensive list of Minister_of_Foreign_Affairs_(Egypt). Please move this draft into a normal page as soon as you can. Will Hanley (talk) 20:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

@Will Hanley, I’m not sure I’m interested in anything pertaining to Egypt, at least for now, but I drafitied your article because it was unsourced hence not suited for mainspace. If you have added some reliable sources to the article then you may submit it via the afc process or just move it back to mainspace by yourself. Do you understand? Celestina007 (talk) 21:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi, I'm referring to your comment on the modifications I made on Sergio Vieira de Mello page. I'm one of his son and that page is constantly vandalised with false information. When I try to re-establish the truth moderators treaten to block me... What can i do?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huayna 65 (talkcontribs) 15:35, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Huayna 65: you must stop edit warring. That will get you blocked NO MATTER how right you might be. You also must stop editing the article because of your COI and only use the article's talk/discussion page. (When you get more experience here, there are certain conditions under which a COI person can carefully edit an article.) Discuss the issues without attacking other editors. If you can convince them you are right, then they can make the changes you desire. You will have to back up your arguments with reliable sources. -- Valjean (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007: @Valjean: Thank you for your explanation but let me now explain: Ms Carolina Larriera keeps pretending being the spouse of Sergio Vieira de Mello, which is a lie. Sergio Vieira de Mello was married to Annie Vieira de Mello, who was the sole and only official spouse he had. Now you might have rules in Wikipedia, I understand that, but that shouldn't let people spreading false information. I'm ready to provide you with more information and official documents but in private (pls let me know how). Similarly, the paragraph on Centro Sergio Vieira de Mello shouldn't be allowed as this entity has no legal basis and is infringing a protected name, a legal procedure is ongoing. Again I'm willing to provide you with proofs in private. Thank you in advance for your understanding and kind help.


Hey Celestina, I saw that your talk page is not being archived and after some time it might get flooded with messages so you might want to check out Lowercase sigmabot III which is a bot that archives talk pages. Antila 06:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Antila, I kinda like it this way. Strange yeah? Celestina007 (talk) 12:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

notability criteriaEdit

Hello Celestina007, please provide notability criteria for Draft:Sujith_Bhakthan

@RoboShutter, see WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 reliable sources are available , see the reference of Draft:Sujith_Bhakthan
@RoboShutter, no those aren’t reliable sources, see WP:RS & always sign your posts for clarity sake. Celestina007 (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007 there are not Self-published sources , there are news & medias in india& kerala.Please check onGoogle.@Celestina007 Please give example of reliable sources
@RoboShutter, since you haven’t bothered to read the links I’ve been providing you then I wouldn’t bother responding to you forthwith at least until you start to read them start by learning how to sign, once again see WP:SIGN, then proceed to WP:GNG. If you bothered to read WP:RS like I asked you to, you wouldn’t be asking me to give you examples of reliable sources as you would have seen how to identify them there. Celestina007 (talk) 19:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 13:58:42, 16 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by MikeemesserEdit

Dear Celestina007, if I understood correctly we failed to argue sufficiently, that RAG AG is a noteworthy company outside of Austria. Could I ask for your support on this matter? What kind of evidence would be sufficient? Scientific articles for example?

Concerning the "Coatrack" I understand the the article might be too long. Will it be enough if we strip it to the core about the company itself or do you feel something essential is missing?

If the article on RAG AG is finally approved I am planning on two more articles concerning RAG's two main scientific projects, "Underground Sun Storage (USS)" and "Underground Sun Conversion (USC)" which are briefly mentioned in the article.

Thank you very much for your support! Mikeemesser (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Mikeemesser (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mikeemesser, sorry for the late reply. The article in question doesn’t meet WP:CORP. Celestina007 (talk) 18:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Bans Geet, Dropped out of the draft and sent it to the lead article.Edit

I was just going to add government sources immediately. You finished it.

I have added the source and that is the government source. I am able to add the source of each part. Please do this and get him out of the draft. Sir, you know and I am new, I take some time to add the source, but I do add it. You can see my articles.Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 18:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Arun singh Yaduvanshi, first off I’m a “she” secondly, I’m not sure I understand what you are saying but i suspect I draftified your article, no? But in any case you can’t move an article to mainspace with 0 sources you should at least add one but adding at least three isn’t a bad idea. As adding only one source can be classified as “under sourced” and your article may still be moved back to draft space especially when it’s a biographical article. So when you have done so(added the sources) you can by yourself move the article back to mainspace. If you need further clarification do let me know. Celestina007 (talk) 18:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Oh! I have added many sources with government sources. You can see . It is a popular folk song of Chhattisgarh state, sources have also been added for this. See Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@Arun singh Yaduvanshi, oh it’s a song? Like I said do feel free to move it back to mainspace now you have included sources. Celestina007 (talk) 18:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it is a folk song of the Chhattisgarh state of India which is sung by the Yadav dynasty, it is believed to be descended from Lord Krishna. When he used to go to the forest to graze the cow. He used to make bamboo instruments for his entertainment which slowly took the form of folklore. I am trying to add more sources to it. Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Bhaukaal, ReviewEdit

I have added many sources for the subject of this article. I think that would be enough. Will be added if more sources are required. So review. Send it to the main article. Thank you. Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Arun singh Yaduvanshi, Hello, in the same manner you usually move other articles to mainspace when you create them, the same principle applies generally. Do you have any more issues you need clarifications on? If yes, I’m always a ping away. Celestina007 (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Bhaukal Review. Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 06:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi there,

Just want to let you know that this article has been re-created by Paul Smith 1970, despite your previous interaction with the user advising them not to re-create the page. (I am not tagging this as G4 myself though, as I was not a participant to the previous AfD, so I can't be 100% sure the current article is substantially the same as the deleted version). Defer to your judgment for the User and the page. --Dps04 (talk) 04:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Dps04, thanks for the notification I’d see what I can do from here. Celestina007 (talk) 12:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007 I've seriously tried to correct the article deleting all the possible references to advertising or promotional content (also if before there were no references of that type). Seriously, I have very confused: if the article has not promotional intent, WHY it is important who writes the article. I know the rule of Wikipedia, I have read all of those. I'm also ready to add all the paid advisory or what Wikipedia staff requires, but honestly, I don't understand this obstinacy against this article if the reason is only WHO writes the article. And I don't admit to being one person paid to do that or part of the company. For example, if an employer describes COCA-COLA COMPANY and he/she respects exactly the rule of Wikipedia of correct writing style and impartiality, what matters if he/she is the employer.
I'm ready to delete other parts of the article or modify them exactly as you desire, but please don't give me an ironic answer like always. I know that you can decide to answer what you want, but what I ask you is to help me to publish the article in a proper way.
I also understand that the behavior can let to think that I'm trying to publish at any cost and this element is not a good thing for Wikipedia. Tanaza is not a marginal company in the IT sector: Cisco, Netgear, TPlink, OpenMesh, Comfast, Mikrotik, Linksys. The company has lots of references in the international press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Smith 1970 (talkcontribs) 07:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
@Dps04, thanks for the notification, they have been rightfully blocked for being a promo single purpose account. Celestina007 (talk) 20:22, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:List of Young Israel SynagoguesEdit

Hi Celestina007. I saw that you moved my new article to draftspace due a lack of references.I plan to make a table, listing each synagogue's name, location, rabbi, and website. Is it enough to just write the synagogues' website to count as a reference, or due I have to actually put it in as a reference with the "<>ref<>"? Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Charlie Smith FDTB, seeing as it is a list article a single source should be enough but next time please be careful not to move to mainspace any unsourced article. Celestina007 (talk) 21:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
@Charlie Smith FDTB, Anyday! Anytime! I’m always here to assist anyone within my capacity. Celestina007 (talk) 21:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Moosa ZameerEdit

Hi, Please move the article again to draft. I think I was editing and saved it again. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leesaaisath (talkcontribs) 00:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

It was moved to draft because it appeared to be a biographical article with 0 sources, now you have added 2 I don’t see any reason why I should move it to draft again. Apparently it’s okay. Celestina007 (talk) 00:49, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi, i have created a deletion page for Fatih Doğan can you add your comment? Baran Ahmet (talk) 09:44, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Baran Ahmet, Aha! lest I forget, now that the AFD is apparently closed. Please keep in mind that canvassing isn’t proper nor allowed here, that is, notifying people who are clearly to !vote in your favour about ongoing AFD’s. Thanks for your time. Celestina007 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Your adviceEdit

Last week, I started a draft article on Subject-Verb Agreement in English ( on finding no site completely explaining the topic. Today, it has been declined and someone has suggested merging it with this: I did so but it looks sort of out-of-place here. As a member of Wikiproject English, what do you think about it? Shubhrajit Sadhukhan (talk) 11:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!Edit

  Hey! Johnson28.7 (talk) 01:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Need Help Making Article BetterEdit

Hello, Celestina007. You recently nominated my article on Marko Danial for deletion, and I was curious as to why? I have worked on this page for a while, and I believe everything is done correctly this time. Any advice on how we can save it so it does not get deleted? I have taken your suggestion and edited the article. Please let me know. Update: a user seems to have removed your deletion nomination, can you please check this. Johnson28.7 (talk)

@Johnson28.7, start by seeing WP:YFA & as for that thing you did where you created a different account to remove the speedy delete tag on the article, please don’t you ever try such again. That is sockpuppetry & would get you indefinitely blocked.Celestina007 (talk) 09:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey Celestin007. I apologize that it seems to be that I have created a different account to remove the speedy delete tag, however, I did not. I understand how serious that is, and I have been trying to learn Wikipedia's guidelines for a few months now. That is why I asked for what I can do to make the article better. Please let me know if there is anything that we can do in regards to this article. :) Johnson28.7 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Like I said just go through WP:YFA. Read WP:GNG also. Furthermore please do not engage in sockpuppetry. An account pops up 7 hours ago & goes straight to remove the speedy delete tag placed on article you created is very much suspicious to put it mildly. I don’t want you to be blocked that’s why I’m not reporting that but please don’t do such in the future. If you have any other questions in future I’m always here to assist. Celestina007 (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi Celestina007. I noticed you moved my (short) article about Wagakukodansho to a draftspace (I understand an history institute of Edo era may interest only a handful people...). Anyway, I had started to include a couple more references, that should definitely clarify its notoriety, and I wanted to include more info including some translation of the Japanese wikipedia version (and more, there are a couple sources not in the Japanese wiki). I submitted once for review and it says I need to wait up to 6 weeks. Can I still improve the article in the mean time though? Also, I had crossed linked with the Japanese wiki article, so I guess that is gone, too?Tensaibuta (talk) 22:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Recreation of Charles OkpalekeEdit

Greetings, if you notice, I thanked you on the talk page. In the short time I have spent on wikipedia, I have learnt a lot from reading your comments on talk pages and articles. I also have seen the great work you have been doing. I saw your reason here I will like to recreate the page Charles Okpaleke having researched and got some reliable sources. I just watched his film on Netflix and searched him on wiki only to find out he has no wiki page. Charles Okpaleke produced the movie LIVING IN BONDAGE: BREAKING FREE which happened the be the highest grossing film in Nigeria in 2019. It also has won the biggest awards on the African continent. How can you help me to create this page? I will be excited to create it because he is one of the most searched celebrities in Africa. Thank you again for all the works you have been doing. MarkCarey911 (talk) 00:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@MarkCarey911, Right here I warned an editor named @Njemeh to quit re-creating the Charles Okpaleke article which had been deleted more than 4 times see:(first deletion) (second deletion)(third deletion)& (fourth deletion) He eventually 'Ghosted' & Just like you, he had an obsession with anything related to that movie & the director (Charles Okpaleke). I would let you know right now that there’s sufficient reason for me to believe you are the same person as that editor. I gave you the benefit of doubt the first time when you created the Swanky JKA article despite your flimsy arguments as can be seen in our convo here & what happens next? You begin to create articles for non notable organizations like this one. Conventional & typical tail signs of an Undisclosed paid editor / COI editor. I’m going ahead to ping everyone you pinged pertaining to the re-creation of this article just so they are aware of the situation of things. Pinging Tone, DGG, CactusWriter, & Mazca. Celestina007 (talk) 01:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007: There is nothing wrong with an ambitious user trying to create articles on wikipedia, if there is something wrong with that then I would gladly leave wikipedia for you. I do not understand why there is so much anger amongst people here. I took interest in wikipedia during the global lockdown caused by Covid19, because I finally found time to do something I love since I had stopped going to work. Prior to this time I had NEVER created on wikipedia, but here you are always accusing me of wrongdoings when you do not even know me. Except there is something you feel I did to you personally, let me know. But believe it or not, I am not the so called editor you mentioned, if he was paid to do that, it is actually non of my business. I am not paid, I only have a passion for the industry. I have done a lot of work, cleaning up some of the articles related to the Nigerian film industry on wikipedia. Okay, with all that I mentioned about the topic, is it not qualified to be on wikipedia? But did you mention anything about that? No! Why? Because I am the one saying it. You obviously have something against me. I always come to you because I feel you are very understanding and you know that this is a platform for us to use to get people informed and I saw you as someone I can learn from but see what you do. Again, I made a list of over twenty successful Nigerian films that do not have articles on wikipedia, so that I can create them. But how can I enjoy my time here if I keep getting accused wrongly? If I was paid, why won't I state it? I didn't even know it had been created before, I had written the article and gathered the sources only for me to find that it had been created and deleted. I guess this is just not worth the fight, it is not a do or die affair. God bless you MarkCarey911 (talk) 02:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@MarkCarey911, Amen! Guilt tripping won’t work here. Like I told you before no editor here was born last night. How did you know to ping all the right admins who had deleted the page in the past? Seeing that as of now you hadn’t made any prior efforts (with this account) to create the Charkes Okpaleke article at least your edit history doesn’t show that! (no attempt to draft the article) (no attempt to create it via sandbox) nothing whatsoever to show “oh! he indeed was trying to create the page when he discovered it had been deleted multiple times” So the only way you could have automatically known the article had been deleted numerous times in the past & also know the right admins to ping without making any efforts to create the article (with the current account you are operating) is if you are the same person operating the Njemeh account. Honestly I don’t think you are a honest editor I asked you here how you obtained the image on the Swanky JKA article & you said it was a “by chance meeting” I said fine. You say you are primary focused on Nollywood related articles but after “successfully” creating an article on a borderline notable individual you go straight to creating an article for Draft:Patricia (company) (a non notable organization) not affiliated in any which way to Nollywood, now that my friend is the M/O of Undisclosed Paid Editors. The undisclosed paid editing ring amongst Nigerian editors is at its worst almost like it was in 2017 & we can’t afford any more bad faith editors. Quit bullshitting me. Thank you! Celestina007 (talk) 02:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007: Oh com'on, this hatred is becoming too apparent. Your statement "So the only way you could have automatically known the article had been deleted numerous times in the past & also know the right admins to ping without making any efforts to create the article (with the current account you are operating) is if you are the same person operating the Njemeh account." is wrong because on the first page while starting to recreate an article it says "A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted." and lists all the users that deleted it in the past. I was not in this in 2017 and I maintain that i have never been paid. Will I lose anything if I am paid and I disclose it? I do not think it is right to keep accusing me of being the same editor as Njmeh. And I did not take money and not disclose. I know there is no way I can convince you, so I guess I have to start creating articles that are not linked to humans. That way I won't be accused of undisclosed payment. But why are you avoiding to talk about the notability of the subject? Is it about me? Please I think you should watch me after now, and I will send you every article I intend to create so you advice me. About Patricia (company), it was just an attempt to do a draft of an article that has been deleted before. Sadly, I chose the wrong one. I guess it was just because I listened to the testimony of the founder about the growth of his company. Please can I have your email address? I really need you to put me through on some things. Unfortunately, people don't really try to help here. MarkCarey911 (talk) 10:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@MarkCarey911, deny it all you want but I have other evidence & per WP:BEANS I won’t say any further. “But why are you avoiding to talk about the notability of the subject?” if an article has been deleted 6 times it does tell you how non notable the subject of that article is, no? Please don’t ping me again this is all vapid. Don’t “send” any articles through/to me, rather use the WP:AFC. Celestina007 (talk) 12:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Yup, enough said here, WP:AFC is the proper way to proceed. --Tone 16:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Need help for this article!Edit

Hello, Celestina I am Adnan User:Article Baker I recently made this article Ajit Arora but however it was tagged with deletion template, this guy maybe had the general notability, you can search on any search engine and see the results, help me if possible how to improve this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArticleBaker (talkcontribs) 16:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

George Kuntu Blankson ArticleEdit

Hi, Could you kindly help move article George Kuntu Blankson out of draft? I've updated the article by adding some references. Hope they surfice for a start. Thanks PS: The article is for a Wikiproject competition. I hope this can be done soon so I can sign validly by the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naa2Darkoa (talkcontribs) 22:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Naa2Darkoa, I mostly likely drafified the article because it was unsourced or under-sourced, if you have added a few reliable sources to the article you may as well by yourself move it back to mainspace. Celestina007 (talk) 00:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, Tried to move it out but have not much experience with it. Ended up with a message which says the draft might be approved in 6weeks. Anyway you can help with speedy request? Don't know how to do any of that. Thanks
PS: The no reference problem resulted because I left it to another editor on the article when we experienced an editiors clash. Competition:). Apparently the other editor had also left it to meNaa2Darkoa (talk) 00:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Naa2Darkoa, okay I think I understand your problem now. Let me see what can I do about your predicament. Okay, from what I can see you have no problems, you submitted your draft work for review & it’s currently on the queue & would be attended to by an AFC reviewer, I am an AFC reviewer but since you have asked me specifically to review it, I unfortunately wouldn’t because I don’t do review on request except on dire or exceptional circumstances, I’m really sorry I can’t be of help at the moment. I hope you understand. Celestina007 (talk) 00:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Found the sourcesEdit

Dear Celestina007,

I managed to get the sources from radio websites on 106.2 FM and 107.0 FM pages.

Thank you.

GoAheadFan95 (talk) 12:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@GoAheadFan95, Good job! Now you can move the article yourself back to mainspace.Celestina007 (talk) 12:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


I came across a page that doesn't meet general notability guidelines, Miraboi, the sources and all is not indepth, I want to know if some pages are special, or you just choose which you want to delete. Amosflash (talk) 16:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Amosflash, I agree that it looks suspicious at first glance. But why don’t you yourself nominate it for deletion? Why are you telling me? Be bold! Be productive! If you think it doesn’t satisfy our general notability criteria then do the needful. I’d also take a closer look at the article myself later because it definitely looks suspicious. Celestina007 (talk) 18:41, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Oluwaseyi Olufemi Emmanuel Good catchEdit

I saw the author had moved it to main space. What a poor article, good catch. I think they became overwhelmed with thinking it was ready!

We differ in approach. Yours is as valid as mine with CSD. I'd have redraftified it. If CSD fails (unlikely but always possible) might I suggest that approach as a second shot rather than the more long winded AfD? Fiddle Faddle 07:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timtrent, of course, works for me. Celestina007 (talk) 07:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I've tried to help the author on his talk page. Because it's an autobiography (0.99 probability) I doubt it will make much difference, but just maybe we'll turn him into thinking differently together. Fiddle Faddle 07:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Timtrent, they clearly haven’t bothered to read basic policies pertaining to notability & presume anyone can upload anything to Wikipedia(use it for self promotion) like they do on LinkedIn, oh well! they are in for a big surprise. Celestina007 (talk) 08:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't disagree at all. Time will tell. Fiddle Faddle 10:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Seems he drew too much attention to himself. Ah well. Fiddle Faddle 11:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion disputeEdit

Hi, you nominated for speedy deletion the article on Atisuto that I have created. The reason for your deletion was "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion", but instead of giving me the opportunity to re-edit and remove any alleged promotional content, you used a procedure that is too tough. Next time, try being more constructive than suspicious - I know it was my first article, but I have read the guidelines mentioned in Your first article and thought the article looks pretty good. Ta,jhk (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ta,jhk, I’m sorry but you may not use Wikipedia for blatant promotional purposes such as you did. I don’t think anyone ever gets it right with their first article. See WP:CSD, WP:PROMO & WP:GNG.Celestina007 (talk) 22:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ta,jhk, the Atisuto article is speedy deleted yesterday & you recreate it today. It’s no surprise it has been nominated for deletion by a different editor. Creating & recreating a particular article that has been deleted severally would get it locked. Just thought to let you know that. Celestina007 (talk) 11:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
But I disagree with the reason for the deletion. It's not promotional (I didn't get money from them and I don't even know them), and I think they're notable enough to have a Wikipedia page (they're actually influencing the music scene in Israel, and many reliable and well-known online sources mention them). So how can we solve this dispute? --Ta,jhk (talk) 11:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
By the way, that's true that I've recreated the article again. However, it's not the same as the original version that you claimed is promotional, because I made substantial changes to it. --Ta,jhk (talk) 11:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Page draftEdit


I created the page SS Minotaure and you made it a draft. I'm fine with this as it didn't have sources, but I would appreciate you letting me know how long this is going to take. In the mean time I will update the page.

- La Transatlantique (Maurice) — Preceding unsigned comment added by La Transatlantique (talkcontribs) 20:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@La Transatlantique, If you add sources to the article you may by yourself move it back to Mainspace or create it via the WP:AFC process whichever one pleases you.Celestina007 (talk) 07:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
A small token of appreciation for your work. - Harsh (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Harsh 2580, thank you so much. This means a lot to me. Celestina007 (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ariel WeilEdit

Hello Celestina007, You just moved a one liner new page to draft, which was a right decision, but as I found it to be reliable enough to be in the main space, and I am also re editing the whole draft, I thinbk moving it to the mainspace will be right, thus after I edit it shall I move it to the mainspace directly? Dtt1Talk 09:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dtt1, of course you can, although I’d say via the WP:AFC is the proper way but it’s your prerogative to pick either. See WP:BAREURL & WP:CITE, correct your citing format & proceed to submit via AFC or move it back to mainspace.Celestina007 (talk) 10:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Moving Broda Shaggi to DraftspaceEdit

Hi Celestina,

Good work you're doing. I must say you gone a long way, i'm considering moving Broda Shaggi to mainspace so it can be developed there and pass through proper review as its probably in violation of WP:PAID. I have also gone through discussion on SPI case and your reasoning is correct. Let me know. Cheers. Lapablo (talk) 11:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lapablo, Thanks-a-million! I don’t even have a problem with the Broda Shaggi article. It is definitely UPE but seems decent all the same. I’m not sure how I feel about anyone moving the article back to draftspace seeing as it would affect the ongoing SPI, but all the same feel free to, I’d just restructure the SPI.Celestina007 (talk) 11:15, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007:, I will let it go through the SPI and after then we can know what to do. Cheers. Lapablo (talk) 11:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
@Lapablo, Brilliant! I’d ping you when the spi closes. Hopefully it doesn’t stall. Celestina007 (talk) 11:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
@Lapablo, Tony declined a CheckUser. Do you still want to move it to draftspace? Safe to say you may go ahead. Celestina007 (talk) 04:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Baie du Petit Pokemouche (local service district) moved to draftspaceEdit

I've never created an article before. I threw this stub together because somebody keeps redirecting to an unrelated entry with a word in common in its name. I was hoping somebody else would come along and expand the article. I certainly have enough items already on my to-do list.

I've seen other stubs that seemed to have the same lack of information. I guess I missed something. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


It's a STUB. I marked it as a STUB so others could add the citations. Did you see what it's about? A VERY FAMOUS MUSICIAN whose very important early album has no WP article. Please undo what you did. Thanks. Gagitsel (talk) 00:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC) This is why I hate contributing to Wikipedia - people who tear things down rather than build them up. Gagitsel (talk) 00:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

you can’t put out articles, stub or not without including a single source/reference in it. Thank you.Celestina007 (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
@Gagitsel: If you want people to create a "STUB so others could add the citations" you can do that in WP:DRAFTSPACE and maybe call attention of other editors to it. Any article in mainspace is required to have references and citations. Lapablo (talk) 11:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Never mind - have a nice day. I'm done trying to contribute to WP. Bye. Gagitsel (talk) 13:56, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
By the way, I once created a WP article for a well-known Italian progrock band, including plenty of references. It was immediately deleted, no voting or anything. I asked the guy why he deleted it - It didn't sound like the name of a real band he said.Gagitsel (talk) 14:01, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Message by AdedayojEdit

Hi Celestine, Pls can you help me more anout my article my reviwed on "Alesh Sanni". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adedayoj (talkcontribs) 06:02, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@Adedayoj, On the draft: Draft:Alesh Ola Sanni, the actor doesn’t seem to satisfy either WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Are you the subject of the article or is he a friend or colleague of yours? Celestina007 (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi Celestina. I spent the last couple days properly sourcing / rewriting the Wagakukodansho article you (I guess rightly) put in draftspace, I guess I can say it's probably even more sourced than the original Japanese article (and someone helped a bit it seems...). As it's one of the key educational institutes in late Edo period and it crosses the path of several other related articles, I am thinking of putting it back to mainspace. I am thinking of enriching a bit everything related to that (I know it's quite niche, but there are a couple other articles out there related to that topic and the contents on the English Wikipedia about that are overall quite poor when not wrong). Furthermore there is quite a bit of work to do around the redirects due to the many English potential spellings of the place. Contact me if it's an issue Tensaibuta (talk) 13:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Move RequestEdit

Hello Celestina, I will need a little assistance from you. I want to move Aiteo Cup to Aiteo Cup (women) and make the existing Aiteo Cup redirect or replace Federation Cup (Nigeria football). I am more particular about the women competition as the Nigerian Women's Cup makes little sense as it is just a description for what the competition is about, but not really a recognized name in itself. And since there is a men's competition of the same name, it is important to include "(women)" I don't think this should be controversial as I am responsible for most of the move history on both pages, in fact I was the one that moved it to "Aiteo Cup" some years ago. Just look at it, and tell me what you think. HandsomeBoy (talk) 14:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy, Hello Darreg, I don’t think a dab page might be necessary seeing as the Aiteo Cup for men has no article of its own. If it does (which I’m unsure of) then a dab would definitely be recquired but if not, then a dab page might not be necessary. Furthermore the Nigerian Women's Cup which you say the title makes little sense (which is true) already redirects to Aiteo Cup(which is pretty much title specific and not vague) or president am I missing anything intricate here? Celestina007 (talk) 16:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, I have manually fixed it. Not best practices, but did the job. HandsomeBoy (talk) 22:40, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Mohana (Vidhan Sabha constituency)Edit

Thanks for your message. I had forgotten to cite references. Now I have added them. Actually this article will need more additions but they will come later. Some research is needed for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

You've got mailEdit

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Hi, please i desperately need your help i saw your comment on the page i tried to create, please note that the page is not about promoting any individual or anyone it is the biography of a Gospel Musician. please help me so that this page be on wikipedia as maany people would want to know more about his biography.. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julie Conteh (talkcontribs) 04:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Julie Conteh, No. you didn’t “see” my comment. You “deleted” my comment & removed from the Draft:Israel Rocklyn draft article the fact that I “rejected” it following your re-submission after Girth Summit “declined” it, as well as you removing a CSD G11 tag I placed on it. From the aforementioned actions You do not “desperately” need my help. You “desperately” want the article of a client on Wikipedia space & correct me if I am wrong but aren’t you (by creating this new account) evading a block? Seeing as you were blocked with your previous account? Celestina007 (talk) 04:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
you have made a mistake by wanting to delete the page because the page is strictly for information purposes and its content will be added by other people as time goes by. because this article is for a Gospel Musician Israel Rocklyn and it is his Biography am sure other people will be able to edit it more please approve my draft please we really want his biography here as he has blessed so many lives and impacted so many people. i have included all the references that are needed and the once i have access to, am sure other people will be all to that and edit as time goes on because it is strictly for information purposes thank you Madam. God Bless you for your hard work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julie Conteh (talkcontribs) 04:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


please madam i am new here and i dont know all the rules, i joined yesterday, Mr. Summit review the article, i received a message that my account is blocked because of the name i used which was my Ministry's name so wikipedia said i should either create a new account that was what i did ma.... i can assure you that this page is not about promoting anyone and its not for a client ma... please help me, am sorry for any miss understanding, even the things i tried to delete was not intentional ma.. please help, i have made all the references and citation that are required. please help me.. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julie Conteh (talkcontribs) 04:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I need your help maEdit

Celestina007 please perdon me and let this stay her i can assure you and give you my word that this page has not to do with promotion i swear to God Almighty. please allow i beg you ma. i promise you am going to add more content and i know other people will add more content to this too please. this is the page ma

@Julie Conteh, thou shall not swear. I’m not sure how to help you, this is probably the third time you are recreating this article this week. I can’t “allow” it because WP:GNG, WG:PROMO, & other relevant policy do not allow me to “allow” it. If Wikipedia was a platform where people just “allowed” any type of article you wouldn’t be so vehemently recreating this article on here despite multiple deletions. The prestige & integrity of this encyclopedia is what I fight for. Thank you. You may try uploading his biography on this platform here I hear it’s always open season over there. Celestina007 (talk) 08:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


Celestina007 okay can you plesae create the article for me, let me send you all the necessary info. because i dont know what to do again.. the article i have created is even better and got more information than some of the articles you have allowed on Wikipedia...... this sounds unfair really.... what can you say about Michaeal Jackson is his page not promoting him? this is unfair . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julie Conteh (talkcontribs)


Celestina007 did i tell you the article is for promo or what...... the way your treat people is unacceptable i took my time to do this and now you are here telling me something you think..... i will find you and make sure you suffer for this if my page is deleted you will pay dearly.. mark my word, am from africa and you dear not joke with me... i will show you what Africa Juju really is.. mark my word... i already have your picture — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julie Conteh (talkcontribs)

@Julie Conteh, threatning me with Juju? African witchcraft? Hahahahaha. Now I’ve to officially report this comedic Bullshit threat. I’m tearing up from the excessive laughter. I really did have a very good laugh though. It’s a shame I have to report this. Per normal protocol. Celestina007 (talk) 09:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Really? He had to take it to that level? This is so low, and it's sad it's from an African. Damn!!! Felixdgreat (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

One major doubtEdit

Even though I know that we can create articles using 2 methods in wikipedia, I still has a lot of doubt regarding drafting and normal method.I read lot regarding this but is still in confusion.Could you spend some time for explaining the major differences regarding drafting and creating link method.Please.... Shahoodu (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Shahoodu, Personally, I have used the Draftspace to create all of my articles via Article Wizard, see here. So basically the draftspace is 'usually' a safe place/space to create articles until they are ready to go to mainspace, now after reading WP:GNG & you feel your article is ready for mainspace you proceed to include {{subst:submit}} (if for some reason the “submit your article for review button” is absent) at the top of your article in draftspace & a reviewer would review it or you may simply move the article yourself to mainspace, the former is usually a good method. Now a red link is usually an indication that the article does not exist & when you click on it an “auto message” would be generated notifying you that you are about to create a new article & if you proceed or follow the step by step process you would have also created a page (via redlink). I hope this helps but if not, see WP:YFA it’s quite detailed.Celestina007 (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou for your time mam, Shahoodu (talk) 09:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Francis E. WaiveEdit

Good day, the corrections you suggested to the article have been made, kindly review and advice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankwaive (talkcontribs) 12:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I should like to know why you rejected (rather than declining) Draft:Francis E. Waive. It seems to me that both the copyvio and the serious promotional issues have been dealt with. Wile I could just remove the rejection, I would prefer to consult you before doing so. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
DESiegel, you have my go ahead sir. Celestina007 (talk) 17:38, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Approval of 1989 up assembly election page. Put into draft ..Edit

Sir I have added references to the page . Plzz approve it Ashutosh singh 761980 (talk) 17:00, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Hassan Ahmad Khalil draftEdit

Hello Celestina. I hope you're well. I re-edited the page you rejected to become more objective. Regarding the references on Youtube, the videos are from the official channels of the parties he interviewed with and you can check the logos in the videos. Also, these channels use Youtube for their videos and not their websites. Please advise on how to get the page approved? Regarding notability, Mr Khalil is highly known in Lebanon and could benefit the country if his economic views were more widespread. Thanks alot. I also did not delete the warning you added as instructed. I want to publish something that is deemed appropriate and objective and your advice would be greatly appreciated.

@Ziad.awwad, notability aside. You are trying to use this collaborative project as a platform to promote him (his economic views) which isn’t what Wikipedia is ”here” for. See WP:PROMO, WP:NPOV,WP:CSD, & WP:42. Celestina007 (talk) 18:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007,Hello again. Mr Khalil is an economist after all and his views are part of who he is. He's been a Public figure since 1990 and not recently. What should I edit/add/modify to get the page approved?
@Ziad.awwad, you mean to tell me that in less than 15 minutes you have read all four links I provided to you above? Celestina007 (talk) 19:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007,Ive read these before starting the page, and hence I submitted the draft. I saw that the subject passes all the requirements mentioned in the links, but being my first article its normal to have mistakes, and i've re-edited. may you re-read the article please? I'd love some constructive criticism to make the page wikipedia-acceptable. Regarding the information that is not referenced since Linkedin is not reliable, I'll remove them if need be. What do you advise?
@Ziad.awwad, please always sign your comments & also try to indent correctly to save me the trouble. I don’t know how to help you. @Theroadislong would you kindly assist me here & take a general look at the article & advise the editor accordingly? I’m quite very much tired at this juncture. Celestina007 (talk) 19:19, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007, apparently you rejected the proposal. Fair enough, I re-edited the article to make it fit the standards. Should I submit again? I repeat, I do not intend to break the rules nor getting blocked. Tell me what to do to stay compliant with the rules. I also signed and indented to save you the trouble :) Ziad.awwad (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ziad.awwad, This isn’t to add insult to injury but I asked you to read WP:NPOV & WP:PROMO & your reapnse was the “I already read that” same old same old response I always get. But if you did, you would have noticed the flaws an example would be the use of promotional wordings which are against our policy & duly removed them but you clearly didn’t read them. Not too worry though all hope isn’t lost & your article isn’t gone forever, I’d advise you to wait a while then contact OrangeMike, he is a reasonable sysop & May give you back your article to drafspace upon reasonable request. Celestina007 (talk) 20:16, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007, you're really not giving me justice here. I read the articles before posting and justified what you saw as inappropiate and did nothing but ask on how to improve the draft. I've re-edited and spoke to @OrangeMike before publishing again as a sign of goodwill.Im also abiding by the rules on talk by signing and indenting. Again, I am not here to get blocked,I am here to submit a well-written article about a notable subject in my country that would have significant added value to our people. Its unfortunate that my sources were forced to be from youtube but the stations publish there and not on their websites. Thanks for the responses, I appreciate all your hard work and I hope we reach a compromise. Best, Ziad.awwad (talk) 20:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ziad.awwad, I do appreciate the civility thus far. From your conversation with OrangeMike, I think I share his concerns on the quality of sources used. Seeing as he has accomplished 'big things', by default one would think there are abundant reliable sources to substantiate his notability but that isn’t the case here. If you can contact OrangeMike as I said earlier & he restores your page to draftspace, ensure to add at least 3 reliable sources before resubmitting & I’d take a second look or any uninvolved AFC reviewer would. no real reason it shouldn’t fly if you have complied to what I, Theroadislong, & Orangemike, have told you so far. Celestina007 (talk) 21:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Please don't delete Zenofar Fathima PageEdit

Hello, Please don't delete the Zenofar Fathima page. The page is created by I, a person who does not know her but is well versed with what she is doing in this country, so i thought to make a Wiki for her. All info's are factual as stated in the references I've provided. If info needs to be changed I can do that. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oronarvader (talkcontribs) 09:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I have also removed stuff that looks even remotely promotional- the rest is taken from local news articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oronarvader (talkcontribs) 09:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


Refrain from watching my talkpage! Refrain from watching my talkpage!! Refrain from watching my talkpage!!!. That was loud enough i believe.--Brain7days (talk) 16:51, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Brain7days, first off, you are in no position to shout on me. Secondly, no can do. As long as you continue exhibiting signs of a problematic editor I’d keep watching you. Cheers my dear colleague. Celestina007 (talk) 16:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Please do not delete an article about KloopEdit

Hi, you nominated my article about Kloop for deletion today. Maybe it is not perfectly written yet, but please do not delete, this media organization deserves a space on Wikipedia. They are from my country and very famous here. Or should media organization be from a rich white country to have a page on Wikipedia about it? Most information about them is not in English, because this is not the language of the region, still I managed to find many sources in English. Let's rather improve the article than delete it. Zczakl (talk) 18:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


This is one time pH a sub of CLOVER, CLOVER is a Philippines new girl group under Korean Entertainment, we are creating articles for a true information about CLOVER but for now, many poser have some posts a wrong information about CLOVER so please accept it CLOVER is a new artist this 2020.

- KP ENTERTAINMENT & ONE TIME PH — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onetime ph (talkcontribs) 12:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Live from ManchesterEdit

You draftified Live from Manchester as undersourced, which is correct, because it doesn't have any references. It also doesn't cite any of the musical notability criteria. (It may be notable, but it doesn't cite any of the criteria.) This editor has created this article before, and it has been deleted from draft space as G13 before. It appears that the originator created the article again in article space about an hour after you draftified it. That left three options: nominate it for speedy deletion; propose it for deletion; or a deletion discussion. Since the band has an article, there is a credible claim of significance, so I didn't tag it for speedy. The originator would probably de-PROD it, which is their privilege. So we will have a deletion debate. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, Seems like a reasonable route to follow. Alright then. Celestina007 (talk) 10:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Strejc System Identification MethodEdit

Everything that explains how the method works is in the publication I left in the references (in german). The method is not used much in the anglophone world so all sources are either in german or french. It is used extensively in universities and the industrial world, I'm an engineer myself. I don't understand the need to move the article to a draft state but ok. How many other sources (in german or french) should I add?SamZane (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found a reference in a Springer textbook in english and added to the page. Is it enough? I don't have the time to finish the page but it would be nice to at least see it as a proper stub instead of a draft. SamZane (talk) 05:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Deleting within secondsEdit

This is a spin-off from a larger page and all of the material is cited to fr.wikipedia. I even said that in the edit summary. But fine, I will just undo the article improvement, mumble. You guys really need to quit doing stuff on automatic; there is more to attribution than a minimum number of brackets. This is why people leave Wikipedia. In fact, I’m definitely outta here for the rest of the week at least, screw this. Y’all translate your own stuff and I will go get paid to not have to talk to new page patrollers. Elinruby (talk) 22:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Elinruby, calm down my friend what exactly is your grievance? Celestina007 (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
I am sure you are following some checklist and I am sure the checklist largely produces the desired results but it frequently impedes the process of translation in stupid ways. You guys should a) read edit summaries. I left a long one that said where all of it came from. Yes it could use some references. This is almost universally the case in a brand new translation. The main article also needs a summary of D-Day. If you have any input into new page patrol procedures please tell them to allow some freaking minimum time to get the thing linked up and the references translated. These conversations happen way too often. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk, your issue has been accommodated in a way that will slow other people to keep working. But seriously, screw this. Last time it was several months’ work on archaeological excavations of pre-Roman fortifications in the former Gaul, and seriously, screw this. Signing out now. Elinruby (talk) 22:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
if only you’d calm down, be slow to anger & explain without spewing profanities & swearing i’d probably comprehend your pique a lot better. In any case “signing out” isn’t the best course of action. I cannot delete your article as I am not a sysop, if your vexation is that it was drafified due to it lacking sources, all you need do is include a source or two & move it back to mainspace. Celestina007 (talk) 22:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


Hello. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:04 am, Today (UTC+1)

@, hello to you too & how may I be of assistance today? Celestina007 (talk) 23:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

For new created ArticlesEdit

Hello Sir/Madam, I'm DashandDash. I am a new comer wikipedian and having a little knowledge. I saw some new created articles like, Paika (caste) , Gopal (caste) , Jyotish (caste) are not shown in Google seach for Wikipedia but yesterday a new article (Barika (caste)) was created and today that shows in Google search for Wikipedia.

So I request to you please rectify or Do something these new created articles for showing in Google search for Wikipedia,Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DashandDash (talkcontribs) 15:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@DashandDash, The pages which do not show in a google search are yet to be reviewed, a new page reviewer would patrol them & if they are 'okayed' the pages would be indexed & appear in a Google search. Celestina007 (talk) 16:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
But yesterday a new article was created Barika (caste) and you rectified something there and today this is shows in Google search.
So I request to you please rectify these new articles. If these articles are reviewed yet. DashandDash (talk) 16:41, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@DashandDash, ”Are not reviewed yet” I guess is what you intended to 'say'. I can’t rectify anything as rectification would imply that in the first instance there is/was a problem & there isn’t any problem with /in your current situation. Articles don’t appear straight to the Google search engine except they are created by one with autopatrolled rights or have been reviewed by a new page reviewer before it can be observed in the Google search engine. I haven’t really taken a solid look at all of the articles yet but allow me to ask this, Did you create all the articles you linked? Celestina007 (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


Nigeria biographies

Thank you for quality articles about persons from Nigeria, beginning with Bobrisky in 2016, then Reverend King (Nigerian pastor), Ebele Okaro and Liz Anjorin, for monitoring new articles, for supporting old-fashioned values, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2420 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt, couldn’t say I envisaged this one. Thanks a million Gerda 💗 Celestina007 (talk) 10:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

List of Private Passions episodes, 2015-2019 (Undersourced, incubate in draftspace (via script))Edit

Hello, Celestina007. A user edited: ("breaking out 2015-2019 from main article"), and the new article was published without sources. I will put the required sources. Thank you. Fundamentalbase (talk) 14:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar for youEdit


The New Page Patroller's Barnstar

Thanks for all of the great work you do regarding patrolling new pages. VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 13:45, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Visioncurve, thanks. I’d continue to work hard. Celestina007 23:47, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

An idea, that I do not know where to putEdit

  • Commewnt It would help if WIkipedia had a "propose for possible deletion nomination" place, where people could make a basic proposal to review for possible deletion without making an actual direct deletion proposal. This may have been what the original proposal for deletion was intended to be, but the amount of work a person is now expected to put in on before searching before they can make a deletion proposal is so large, and the steps in making the proposal all so long, and the whole process is so likely to open one up for attack, that we really need a "propose for investigation for possible deletion" step as well. Clearly there is a need to do something better considering we have so many articles that have existed for over 10 years sourced only to IMDb. I partly feel this way because being limited to only 1 AfD proposal a day is very limiting, all the more so because the rules make it so I can not take advantage of all the days I did not make an AfD proposal and make more. At the same time if someone makes an AfD proposal it opens them up to all sorts of attacks. I almost feel this is one of the tactics used by inclusionists to stop deletionists. It is not just the AfD creations require way more time and energy than creating an article, which can be done with just one edit, and way more steps, to do it properly there need to be at least 4 edits while creation only requires 1, and do not get me started on how we do not require all new articles to go through the article for creation process. We do not even require new articles to sit in a one week semi-created form where anyone can just delete them with one edit, like we have for the proposed deletion process. I know this proposal would lead to a huge backlog like we have in AfC, but it would at least get some more articles in a queue for removal. at present I have no clue how soon I will get around to the other 8 articles I tried proposed deleing today that Lugnuts reverted. Considering a biography of a living person needs to have reliable sources for any information we put in it, and we can nominate for speedy deletion an article on a living person with no sources, Lugnuts seems to be the one with extreme views in this matter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Johnpacklambert, I totally agree with your prods but inclusionists would do anything to find flaws in whatever you do. So at this juncture we’d have to wait for the closure of the ANI incident which I wholeheartedly believe would be in your favor. Celestina007 18:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I hope you are right. There is one user who has followed me over a lot of issues who always seeks to get in a punch against me whenever he can. There is another who has nominated for deletion over 75 articles I created. I guess for now I will just go through the 1987 births category looking for articles that do not belong in that category but are despite that fact, and do my best to keep patient with the fact that so many of those articles have sourcing that does not meet GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Johnpacklambert, if an editor has been following you about then that is stalking & harssment & you should take that editor to the AN/I as that is very much unacceptable as it makes your journey as an editor very much tiresome & uninteresting. I for one would never condone such behavior & neither should you. Furthermore please don’t relent in your good work no matter what. Please don’t. Celestina007 19:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Could you stop without any discussion before ?Edit

Please, are you quite sure of what you have did? You have put into quick deletion one of the main shipping lines in the world… with an article quite complete and sourced in German ?--Arorae (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: I have moved a couple of his articles to draftspace because they were undersourced. If they have German pages as the author claims then it should be added to the articles to enable review. Just giving you headsup. Lapablo (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
@Arorae, are you referring to this article: Leonhardt & Blumberg? Please don’t create articles (with just the website of the organization as the sole source) that merely says “AB is CD” saying “XYZ is a company” & adding a single source which is the organization’s website is very much vague, there needs to be a credible claim of significance. Tell us via use of reliable sources how the company satisfies WP:ORG The burden is on you to provide those sources & not anyone else. Furthermore you implied that the article was well sourced? I think that’s rather untrue as the sole source was the companies website if I’m not mistaken. Anyway I can’t view the article again. Celestina007 22:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
they do have (the 3 articles) a German (complete) article. The sources are in German article not in the English stub…-Arorae (talk) 22:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
here a copy of them: (from WP:de) :« Weblinks und Literatur[Bearbeiten]Commons: Leonhardt & Blumberg – Sammlung von Bildern, Videos und AudiodateienWebsite von Leonhardt & Blumberg und Gleich gesellt sich gern: veröffentlicht in Hansa Nr. 5 2017 Seite 25Einzelnachweise[Bearbeiten] Entführte „Hansa Stravanger“: Reederei entlässt von Piraten entführten Kapitän. In: 16. Dezember 2009, abgerufen am 29. Januar 2017. Schiffsboykott im Hafen. In: Hamburger Abendblatt; abgerufen 11. August 2009 Protest gegen Reederpräsident Frank Leonhardt. In: Die Welt; abgerufen 11. August 2009 »-Arorae (talk) 22:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC) I can translate from German your If you need that.-Arorae (talk) 22:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I don’t think I understand what you are implying, are you trying to say this sources existed in the article when I “A7ed” it? Because that would be a bald faced lie or are you saying this sources exist for knowledge sake? If it is the latter then that isn’t my point & never was. My point is; you created an article that read “XYZ is a shipping company” & gave the companies Website as the sole source & that isn’t proper which was why I used the CSD A7 tag as no claim of credible claim of significance was made. I’m not saying that 0 sources exists, I’m saying the article qualified for an A7 as no WP:CCOS was observed. @Lapablo, I saw the discussion you both had on your TP & you are correct, they cannot continue to create unsourced & under-sourced articles whilst using the “they already exist in another language” shield to evade the hardwork of including reliable sources. But as you said if they “source up” the articles in the draftspace then it can be moved back to mainspace. Per WP:DRAFTIFY you are spot on. Celestina007 22:25, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
because you have continued to say without any notification that I am or could be a « bald faced lier » (as above!), it is my great pleasure to inform you that Ministry of Information, Communications, Transport and Tourism Development that you also have put in a Draft space is now on the Main. And the same @Lapablo did for another ministry. Now I perfectly know that I am not a lier but only an user that contributed as far as he could. My best regards.-Arorae (talk) 09:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Arorae, as it rightfully should be, seeing that you have now included sources into the article. Celestina007 09:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I've requested that an admin review your contact with meEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 21:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

You may find this essay of useEdit

WP:ACADEME deals with how we relate to academics and other experts, especialy when they are newly on Wikipedia. You may have come across it already. I've also shown it to the new editor with whom you are having a discussion that seems to be escalating. I wonder whether, and hope that, reading it may help both parties walk forwards wih honour. Fiddle Faddle 22:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Timtrent, thanks a lot amigo.Celestina007 22:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I hope it is useful, and to both of you. Fiddle Faddle 22:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Idk what to put hereEdit

Hello. Hope you are well.

I know you changed the wiki page I made on Joao Luis Martins to draft. I was trying to look online for references and other things to make it an official page on Wikipedia. The issue is the only thing I found that might be considered "reliable" is his Facebook page. What should I do? His only other wiki page is in Lithuanian. Can you give me advice on what I should do?

Thanks, ShadowBallX2 04:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@ShadowBallX2, A Facebook page is not considered a reliable source. see how we determine reliable sources & our general notability criteria. If you have any more questions do not hesitate to let me know. Celestina007 07:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 2 August 2020Edit

Message by ChristinagirgisEdit

Why did you deny the Davo article? he's been featured in major publications and is a recording artist who has reached millions on Youtube. That doesn't make sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christinagirgis (talkcontribs) 20:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Christinagirgis, Right here Timtrent already painstakingly gave you a comprehensive analysis of the sources used in the article & why they do nothing to prove subject of your draft article is notable. I can’t begin to imagine the time & effort they put into constructing that table. What again do you seek from me? They already 'said' it all. Celestina007 21:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
It took less time than you think and more time than I wished to create the table. The templates help direct thinking in a way that leaves little room for doubt, and I commend them to you when the full review rationale is needed in the open. I know from prior interactions that Christinagirgis is very keen to get this as an article in Wikipedia. Perhaps they will now understand the task ahead of them. Fiddle Faddle 22:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@Timtrent, per here, I’d say my money is on “deadline to hit” oops! scrap that, I meant to 'say' “a fee to earn”. Oh well, I best shut up now before I land myself another AN/I case. Celestina007 22:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
They moved it to be an article earlier today. Another editor disagreed and draftified it. I suspect they will have more excitement when they get back to editing Fiddle Faddle 16:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Draft:Shannon Global Energy SolutionsEdit

Hello, how do I retrieve the deleted draft of the Shannon Global Energy Solutions page, please? Thank you. Lakewood66 (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

They have been quite snippy thoughEdit

If you look at their talk page you will see their snippiness, to whcih I have responded calmly.. This appears to be somene used to gettng their own way by force of words when rational justificsation fails. A great pity. Or, perhaps a UPE deadline Fiddle Faddle 22:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Timtrent, Imho, UPE deadline seems more plausible. Celestina007 00:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


Hello, could you please help me get unblocked on wikimedia? i'm new to the wiki stuff and i didn't know about the copyright thing, so it would mean a lot if you helped me! thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriella Grande (talkcontribs) 15:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Gabriella Grande, (talk page stalker) if you were blocked you would not have been able to place this message. I see no block in the block log. Do you know something I do not?
If we are scrupulously fair the world knows about not breaching someone else's copyright, which is theft of intellectual property, but we tend not to execute people for innocent transgressions Fiddle Faddle 15:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Timtrent, i was adding a coverart/artwork for an Album article, all album articles included the artworks so i thought it's ok, i don't know why but it says i can't upload images anymore cause i'm blocked, could anyone please help me add artworks without getting blocked?

Disruptive stacking and attack behavior from another editorEdit

Lugnuts, who went on the ANI attack on me a few weeks ago has no gone full attack on me in his nomination of the article on Jane Hansen Lassetter. It is not so much the nomination itself but the clearly personal attacks that he is engaging in.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

  • His most recent comment was the extreme of rudeness. I am really, really frustrated by his houding, his rudeness, and his insistence on insulting me at every turn.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@Johnpacklambert, Although I haven’t taken a solid look but per what you just said it is my opinion that Lugnuts should know better than to revenge in any manner whatsoever as that would be a gross behavioral misconduct on their part. If you have diffs to show they have been taking out revenge on you then that would be sufficient reason enough for you to report the matter officially to the WP:AN/I for an Admin to review their conducts thus far. “Revenge” definitely falls under stalking &/ harassment. If they are also insulting you, then that isn’t proper as it constitutes NPA which is also a major no no. As per the article they nominated for deletion it is my opinion that the subject is notable.Celestina007 19:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@I am torn about it. As I said there, to me the biggest claims go to the International Family Nursing Association and the Western Institute for Nursing. What I can say for sure is that Wikipedia clearly undercovers the structure and contributors to the intellectual development of the nursing field.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

A requestEdit

Please delete the page Sahra Şaş, as this will cause a fight, it’s better to delete, I don’t want a fight for article I created. Tahaaleem (talk) 10:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tahaaleem: Hey, I was just watching the deletion discussion and accidentally came by this section. Just wanted to mention that since it’s a discussion everyone can put their arguments forward and you don’t need to worry about the outcome, even if the article was created by you. Keivan.fTalk 17:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

speedy deletion for advertisingEdit

Kavyachaudhary555 (talk) 19:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)hi so my article was nominated deletion because it seemed like an advertisment so i made some changes please review it cause i just love to write for wiki and i dont intend to advertise anyone or anything hope you understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kavyachaudhary555 (talkcontribs) 19:40, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kavyachaudhary555, read WP:PAID & please follow meticulously what has been outlined there for you. Cheers.Celestina007 20:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007, i have not gotten paid by them else i would have mentioned it nor i want to advertise them i am just here to share information not to earn money i am saying that with 100% honesty dont know how could i prove that hope you understand and if still i need to make changes just mention them :)

Re: Request for Uncreated ArticlesEdit

Hi Celestina007, I just got to see the message you left on my talkpage. I am surprised at how much I have missed since I had last been here. I looked at your edits history and I must admit that you are doing a wonderful job. Sincerely I am motivated, especially by you! I am going to reshuffle my time to include Wiki projects. Keep the good work going. P.S. Most of my watches are from The5th ;)Sidewinder message me! 15:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Sidewinder, welcome back & thanks for the kind words. Leave me a message anytime. Celestina007 21:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

New comment on the deletion of LU KALAEdit

Hi, Celestina007, I have left a comment on the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LU KALA|deletion discussion page regarding the LU KALA article. Please read my comments. Thanks, --Pulisi (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 Cork GAA seasonEdit

Hi. I have added enough references to cover all the content on the page. Will you please remove it from draft. By the way I’m still working on the page (must do the football championships). Thanks GaA24 (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

@GaA24, if you have added sources then feel free to move it back to mainspace. Cheers. Celestina007 01:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I dont know how to move it to mainspace so can you do it please. GaA24 (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Please help meEdit

Hello Celestina007, I am user DashandDash, I am created a page Jyotish (caste) on 14 July 2020 but this page is not reviewed yet. Please help me or Review this page. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by DashandDash (talkcontribs) 06:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


Just noticed. You primarily edit through mobile. I can't seem to get anything done properly on wiki when I am on mobile. What's your secret? - hako9 (talk) 13:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Hako9, honestly I can’t say that I have any secret. I’ve edited strictly 98% of the time on mobile since 2016 up until today, although, once in a very long while i edit with a desktop but sparingly though & those times I couldn’t seem to do anything right. I’d say in the end it boils down to what we have both been accustomed to. It may help to meticulously check your preview page before saving/publishing it to ensure the output is exactly as you want it to be. I really hope I have been helpful. Celestina007 16:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I would accidentally keep hitting the rollback button on my phone. Previewing and scrolling is cumbersome for me on phone because of the touchscreen. It's also possible that I have a crappy phone. You are probably a unicorn for being such a prolific editor and primarily using a phone though. - hako9 (talk) 04:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Hako9, haha, thanks for the kind words. Yes, accidentally hitting the rollback button is a very common error amongst editors using a mobile device. I think two weeks ago I accidentally reverted an admin, but in the end editing via a mobile device isn’t so cumbersome when you start getting accustomed to it, it’s actually many editors out here who edit via mobile devices. Celestina007 06:54, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Unsourced or self-sourced record label articlesEdit

I have been going through and categorizing all entries under Category:1999 establishments into the locational establishment category they belong in. For example when I found the article on Rubric Records that was in Category:Record labels established in 1999 I added it to Category:1999 establishments in New York (state). I am noticing several articles on record labels that are like the one on Rubric Records and do not have any sourcing. I am also noticing others that the only sourcing is to the website of the record label itself. In the case of Rubric Records the article has existed for 14 years. Is there anyway to get notice of this issue brought to a group of editors who will be willing to move forward on fixing it?John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Johnpacklambert, can’t say for sure, but discussing it in the relevant WikiProject could get editors interested in music-related articles to fix the problem. Celestina007 14:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Understanding message you leftEdit

Hi Celestina007, I just wanted to follow up on the message you left on my talk page. Could you be more specific? I don't see your edit/removal in the page's history.Anotherpinkfloydinthewall (talk) 18:13, 28 August 2020 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 14:29, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Anotherpinkfloydinthewall, Oh? Don’t worry about that, I’m still calculating to what degree to undo the changes you made to that page, when I have decided I’d undo the changes accordingly, the problem is, the very first change you made to that article appears to be WP:OR so I’m seriously considering undoing all your changes to that page. Whilst we are at it you may want to read both WP:OR & WP:NPOV. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 18:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 OK, I understand--you are referring to my second update in which I rewrote the introduction. I presumed (seemingly incorrectly) that the introduction could summarize at a high level what would be contained in the article, which already had appropriate citations/references, and first orient the reader before getting into the details. Beyond that most of my changes were completely new additions to the article, which contain proper citations. Thanks for the update. Anotherpinkfloydinthewall (talk) 23:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi Celestina007. Adding request here since it involves the same article Karmapa controversy. In brief, I waited then began re-editing Floyd's work for balance, examining all the work and correcting accordingly. Afterwards, Badabara reverted the opening to a version they re-edited without consensus (after a consensus version was posted). This reversion has caused havoc with RS, and is not supported by its own RS. They agreed to revert, but not to the latest version that Floyd edited & I re-edited, which is a better version...
The request: Having troubles reverting the opening to the version before Badabara's latest changes. It might be equipment issues or unfamiliarity. Might you please make the revert? Here's the info in a paste from Talk:Karmapa_controversy#Article_has_become_a_pro_TTD_promo_piece:
Badabara No, again, revert to the last edit point before you reedited, noted here: 17:01, 31 August 2020, Badabara talk contribs‎, -4,032, This is a major edit. Restored intro to 30 June 2020 version. Your edits have caused havoc to RS, and caused disruption to the work done by myself and Floyd. Thanks for the help. If the orphaned RS issue remains, I'll repair the disruption. Regards.Pasdecomplot 10:51 06 September 2020 (UTC)
Pasdecomplot, okay. I can do that but that would mean a lot of your current edits and changes to the page would also be reverted, do you want me to proceed? Celestina007 17:06, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007 Yes, do proceed. I can add the worthwhile edits to the other areas again. Thanks!
To clarify... I manually reverted the intro to before Anotherpinkfloydinthewall and Pasdecomplot went into a back and forth (June 30 version). Pasdecomplot wasn't happy with that version, and asked me to revert the intro to just after Pasdecomplot's more than 100 consecutive edits (31 August 2020 version), which I did, as requested... then I moved the last paragraph of their edit to a different section. It's described in the talk page and history. Using words like "havoc" and "disruption" is a bit dramatic for asking Pasdecomplot which version of the intro they wanted, then following their request, don't you think?
My original thought was the Jun 30 version of intro was the most fair because it was the last version where Pasdecomplot and I had worked together. You can see from the talk page we agreed we achieved NPOV:
"Lead intro incorrect, analysis not NPOV" on Talk:Karmapa_controversy
"Badabara It's a much better article intro than a week or so ago. So, I added a few words on the prediction letter; the Dalai Lama's confirmation; an RS on the accident (includes Shamarpa's actions fyi); I moved OTD's enthronement to its proper sequence in events; and, I clarified a bit about regents in general, and the 4 regents in this case. Minor tweeks. Thanks! Pasdecomplot (talk) 15:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Pasdecomplot I agree - much better! I think we've managed to show a neutral point of view and distilled a very complex story into simple terms. I added a few details which I outlined on the edits. Working with you is becoming a pleasant experience. Thank you!"
Best, Badabara (talk) 07:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
p.s. take note user IP is Pasdecomplot, when reviewing history Badabara (talk) 07:12, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Bombay Drum SchoolEdit

I think we edit conflicted here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:41, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@HickoryOughtShirt?4, First time experiencing an edit conflict when nominating an article for deletion, very puzzling I must say. I’m a tad bit confused, what do you suggest my next course of action to be? Do I close the AFD or what do you think? @HickoryOughtShirt?4, I have gone ahead to close the AFD as Draftified. The edit conflict has caused a unique situation of splitting the article & has made the second one look like I was the creator of the article. All these feels so damn weird.Celestina007 21:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, was at dinner. I deleted it as housekeeping due an error. This was a very weird EC. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
HickoryOughtShirt?4, Ah! very weird indeed. Thanks for the assistance. Celestina007 23:03, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ahmadreza NakhjavaniEdit

Celestina007I did what you said. Thank you for guidance. Please tell me if the article has other problem. mahdiyegharaee —Preceding undated comment added 22:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@mahdiyegharaee, thank you for making the appropriate changes but I’m afraid the article as it is now doesn’t satisfy WP:GNG. But I would leave it to another reviewer to review and decide. Celestina007 23:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Dear Celestina007 thank you very much for your help. I think Mr. Ahmad Reza Nakhjavani has the necessary conditions in terms of WP:GNG Many credible Iranian news sources have spoken about him. He has also appeared in several television programs as an expert. But I did not use their link to keep the article short. If you think this option is suitable, I can add some of them in the article. Of course, he has given lectures in dozens of large seminars, which unfortunately do not exist on the Internet mahdiyegharaee —Preceding undated comment added 10:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Message from Jamie200896Edit

Hi Celestina,

I got your message. I’d like to know what exactly is wrong with my sources, as I referenced interviews and links that gave out the information placed on the page.

I would like for you to help me with this information so I would be able to rectify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie200896 (talkcontribs) 00:37, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jamie200896, subject of your article fails to satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER neither does he satisfy WP:GNG. Furthermore read WP:RS & WP:SIGCOV. After which you read WP:COI & WP:PAID. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 00:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Celestina007, He is a notable musician in Nigeria and has charted consistently in the past two months on Apple Music. I have added one more reference to satisfy WP:GNG. Furthermore, the links there are from reliable websites used on Wikipedia especially Pulse which supports musicians in Nigeria, so doesn't that satisfy WP:RS? Jamie200896 (talk) 13:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 August 2020Edit

Some baklava for you!Edit

  Thank you, for assisting me, I'm still learning and your input has been helpful with my editing Theeliteone (talk) 04:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Over the top attacks on meEdit

I am being repeated subjected to over the top attacks on me by an editor at the discussion on the deletion of Ed Dee. I have no idea why such nasty attempts to drive an editor out of the project are tolerated.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, hello JPL, sorry for the late response I haven’t been feeling quite well of recent. I found their entries to be belligerent & borderline transgressing WP:NPA. You might need to report the incident to the ANI so multiple admins can access this and give the appropriate sanctions. Celestina007 14:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Archiving your talkpageEdit

Hello. It is recommended to archive a talkpage when it exceeds 75k in size. Currently, your talkpage is at around 230k. Given that you get regular messages on your talkpage, I highly recommend you to set up a bot for archiving. Kindly see User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo for that. Also, kindly link to User talk:Celestina007/Archive 1 at the top your talkpage. If you need help setting up the bot, feel free to ask me. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) 19:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@usernamekiran, hello & sorry for the late response I haven’t been feeling quite well recently hence my late response. Honestly editing through a mobile device is already hard enough and having to setup the archive bot would mean I’d have to search through archives upon archives to locate a particular entry (i’d be needing at that point in time) which I think would just be a daunting and frustrating task hence I made the decision to leave it this way for ease of access and information retrieval all of which wouldn’t be a problem for editors editing majorly via a desktop. I probably would setup the bot in future though since you have mentioned something about a recommendation pertaining to space used up. Thanks for being a friend & reaching out & yes! In future I’d most definitely ping you to assist me in setting up the bot. Celestina007 13:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Changes effected and Apologies for lateness: Re-- UwazuruikeEdit

Hello Celestina. It's been ages! I hope all is well with you. Firstly, permit me to apologise for my tardy response to your comment on the above draft article. My personal circumstances changed drastically around that period, due to the whole COVID 19 hullabaloo, such that I could not dedicate time to it (I didn't even get to see it until after a long time). Things are now changed for the better--thankfully. I think your comment on having just interview sources is a germane one. I see that the article was also later declined on that ground in my absence. I have now added four non-interview sources (the first four on the draft), three of which are recent (i.e. after your last comment). They are newspaper sources from The Sun, This Day, and Guardian. I hope they suffice, but do let me know if there are any issues. I promise to be prompt in my response this time. Many thanks! All4prof (talk) 18:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@All4prof, I clicked the link you provided & it appears there is no draft as such, probably you made a typo error, can you double check that? Celestina007 10:30, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007 Apologies, it was a typo. This is the link
@Celestina007 Hi. I hope you're fine. Just checking that you didn't miss my last message. All4prof
@All4prof, I’m still trying to vet it. I’d notify you when I come to a conclusion. Celestina007 (talk) 18:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina, Okay, great. Thanks for the reply. All4prof


Hi Celestina. I have recently started to fix bias in the page of CivicActions that I have created and tried my best for neutrality. I have seen that I missed several stuff and currently fixing them. I would be content if you would like to help me about that. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 10:49, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

You are still including more promo to the article. Celestina007 11:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 check it now please. Hope its better now. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 00:01, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
@Comrade-yutyo, it is, although it still reads like an advert a little bit, ensure to take care of that in the future. Celestina007 (talk) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding speedy deletion of Box8Edit

Hey Celestina, Please suggest how to write the article in a way that it's more reliable. I might have missed adding the website link for the company. Box8 is very relevant in India. It has been working since 2013 and I've been an avid customer of it. Thankyou

@ABARUSHI, you might want to read WP:NPOV, to aid you in wording your article in a neutral manner because It doesn’t matter how relevant a subject of an article is, if the article is written in a blatantly promotional manner it would get speedy deleted accordingly. Read WP:COI as well. Celestina007 (talk) 06:08, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Thankyou Celestina for the reply. As you've suggested, I will be rewriting the article, keeping in mind the guidelines by the wiki page you suggested. Your guidance has been of great help.
Always a delight to be of assistance. Celestina007 (talk) 14:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey Celestina, I've reviewed the content and edited according to your suggestions, please let me know whether there are more changes that I should incorporate.

Thanks for your work on Draft:Adaku UtahEdit

Hello Celestina007. Thanks for your edit works on the subject article. Regards! 2dmaxo (talk) 12:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Khadija El KamounyEdit

Hello Celestina007. I hope you're fine. Can you please explain why you declined the draft as I already submitted it the first time and the review considered that only the writing tone that was not good. All sources are reliable, independent and secondary. They show significant coverage. What's wrong with it?

@MehdiKass, I don’t recall TheAafī telling you such. Celestina007 (talk) 13:40, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi Again, Not just the Aafi but also in the Teahouse. Moreover, all the links are from related organizations and most important medias in Morocco. Can you please explain why you declined if there is a reason?
@MehdiKass, saying not just would imply TheAafī told you such, which it doesn’t seem like they did. Also the reason is boldly stated there. Remember to sign your comments too. Celestina007 (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Can you please more clear and comprehensive? I'm just asking for advices for the next submission and articles. You said the sources don't show significant coverage. However, I don't see this. The sources are TV channels, quality medias and info websites and also the commission official website.
@MehdiKass read WP:RS & WP:SIGCOV. Celestina007 (talk) 14:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi I already read the guidelines and policies, but can't find any error or failing sources in my submission. There are several sources in the web that I decided not to add as they don't meet Wikipedia criteria. However, the current sources in the page do meet it.
@MehdiKass, It’s not possible to read and understand to satisfaction what is contained in WP:RS in just two days. I don’t understand what your conflict of interest is with that article but it would certainly get you blocked. How again did you say you got the image on the draft article as your own work? You better get your ways straight. Celestina007 (talk) 14:38, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I didn't say I read every term. I got the base and the main info that will make me able to create and publish successfully pages. I think you don't want to help...Thanks anyaway
@MehdiKass, I sincerely do not think you have read any policies or guidelines prior creating the article, an obvious indication is you have still not learnt how to sign, which I have told you to learn over & again, Furthermore I even linked you to WP:SIGN it self but yet you haven’t shown any willingness to hear what anyone else has to say. This in itself is indicative of the fact that you have barely read any polices none whatsoever as you claim to have. Celestina007 (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for being a kind and helpful editor. Wikipedia must be proud.--MehdiKass (talk) 20:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@MehdiKass, I’d like to think they are. Thanks for the kind words. Sarcasm or not. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Kaptain Kush ‎Edit

Hello Celestina007. I hope you're doing great. Can you clear me why the tag for undisclosed payment was added to Draft:Kaptain Kush and also I want to know why it was moved to draft again to avoid same mistake in my next edit? Is it also possible I resubmit it or better still asked for it to be submitted, I need an advice on it. Anniebisilolo (talk) 15:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Anniebisilolo, per BEANS I won’t be disclosing how I detect UPE to you so I won’t be providing you an answer pertaining the tag. You are free to submit the article by pressing the submit button at the top of the draft. Celestina007 (talk) 16:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Please kindly cross check Draft:Kaptain Kush if it's in good condition to be submitted for consideration, if not, please i will be glad if you can tell me what and what to fix.Anniebisilolo (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
@Anniebisilolo, What to fix would be you reading WP:PAID and adhering to it. Second would be you reading WP:GNG & WP:MUSICBIO. The subject of your article may not have a Wikipedia page of theirs at the moment because they are not notable enough, the third source in the article, this one published on the 29th of May 2020 refers to him as a Rising musician implying he isn’t an established act at the moment. I’d recuse myself from re-reviewing the draft & would allow another pair of eyes do the reviewing. Celestina007 (talk) 20:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
All these has been noted. Would also love you to do cross checking of the paid policy as I wasn't compensated in any form to make this edit.Anniebisilolo (talk) 20:24, 19 September 2020 (UTC)


This article draft:Rexxie was recently moved to draft due to lack of enough source and citations, I want you to cross check it if it qualifies as a Wikipedia article now before I submit it. Thanks in anticipations. Anniebisilolo (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Anniebisilolo, when you are done just submit it as you did your other article. Celestina007 (talk) 17:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Submitted now. Anniebisilolo (talk) 20:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@Anniebisilolo, just like the other article you submitted, I would also recuse myself from reviewing the draft article because I believe I’m too involved to do so. A reviewer with no preconceived notion would eventually review the article. At this juncture, patience is key. Furthermore, illegally using more than one account as you are doing with the RateMeHigh account would get you blocked. Celestina007 (talk) 21:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Please how do I delete or take down the other account as I have stopped using it today? Anniebisilolo (talk) 21:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@Anniebisilolo, since you have regained this account, I’d say you discontinue using that one then declare on your userpage that you are one & the same person as RateMeHigh but will no longer be editing with the account. Transparency would earn you our trust. Celestina007 (talk) 21:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
How do I declare it? I need help in it. Anniebisilolo (talk) 23:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I just added this to my userpage “I am one and the same person as RateMeHigh
Hope I don’t have any other thing to take care of again? Anniebisilolo (talk) 23:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I’ve added in both user pages indicating that I am the same person. Hope I’m good to go now? Anniebisilolo (talk) 23:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@Anniebisilolo, A declaration is a declaration but I would have asked you to use this format instead:{{User alternative account | main account}} On your original account.
But no worries nonetheless you are good to go. Now that we have crossed that bridge, another concern I have is your paid status, if you are receiving financial reward for Creation of those articles, it is infact mandatory you state so. Being paid to create an article isn’t the transgression but failure to make it public knowledge/declare it, is what is, but if you insist you aren’t being paid or have no COI with the subject of your articles then you are good to go. But once again do read WP:PAID & WP:COI. Celestina007 (talk) 23:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I am not in any means being paid to make an article here. If I am, while creating the article, I will select the option. And please how do I resolve the paid status as I am not being paid to make any edit here? Anniebisilolo (talk) 00:00, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Join the Months of African Cinema Global Contest!Edit


The AfroCine Project invites you to join us again this October and November, the two months which are dedicated to improving content about the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand contents in Wikimedia projects which are connected to this scope. Kindly list your username under the participants section to indicate your interest in participating in this contest.

We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

  • Overall winner
    • 1st - $500
    • 2nd - $200
    • 3rd - $100
  • Diversity winner - $100
  • Gender-gap fillers - $100
  • Language Winners - up to $100*
We would be adding additional categories as the contest progresses, along with local prizes from affiliates in your countries. For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. Looking forward to your participation.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 19:22, 22nd September 2020 (UTC)

Ýou can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list


Hello Celestina007, hope you are good? thank you for being an immense blessing to WikiProject Nigeria and Wikipedia as a whole. Your evergreen contributions, especially in addressing policy issues have not gone un-noticed. I want to personally appeal to you to participate in the 2020 Months of African Cinema. Even if you are not interested in winning prizes, it'd improve the versatility and impact of the contest if you can add just one article. If you are not sure what article to create that qualifies for the contest, may I suggest Charlie Vundla? He is an award-winning director that definitely passes WP:NDIRECTOR. Feel free to ignore my suggestion and pick your own article if you so desire. Just one article from you will go a long way. Thank you so much and God bless you richly :) HandsomeBoy (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

HandsomeBoy, Alright Sir. Celestina007 (talk) 04:17, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I think you were on to somethingEdit

First off my sincerest apologies for never replying to your message from earlier this year and I can easily say that you do an excellent job and that I appreciate that there are other editors out there who as someone who also have comms/marketing backgrounds and are equally as dedicated to curbing paid editing. Unfortunately I think I question my decisions a bit too much to take on either responsibility. Anyway, I think you were on to something with this inquiry. Best, GPL93 (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@GPL93, apparently, they claim it is a screen grab. Celestina007 (talk) 04:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Some help neededEdit

Hi Celestina007. Your latest student here, hehe. Apologies if this is a rookie question (I think I used to know how to do it but just can't seem to remember). So basically, I was working on a early draft and accidentally published as I wanted to click on "show preview". I found it a bit embarrassing especially as an admin quickly flagged it. How do I undo such mistakes in the future. Many thanks as always. All4prof (talk) 00:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@All4prof, If you haven’t, you may want to install TWINKLE which you can optimize to revert mistakes. Celestina007 (talk) 04:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind response. I will install this pronto.All4prof (talk) 09:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Hello Celestine007, warm greetings to you. Ave been trying to reach you via talk, but cant seem to grapple that. This is regards the page I recently created which you drafted. Wanted to know how I can request for assistance from other editors or must I complete the article improvement myself alone before submitting for review? Don VN (talk) 13:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
@DON VN, I presume this is about the Draft:Anita odia article, you may ask anyone for assistance if you so wish & when you are done or when you all are done with the article you should proceed to press the submit button, that’s all. Celestina007 (talk) 16:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Kindly review my article you move to drafyEdit

You recently moved my article Amah Chibundu to craft space can you review it now since you've previously work on it before — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynndonald (talkcontribs) 13:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Lynndonald (talk) 14:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Lynndonald, Sorry for the late reply, I don’t think I understand what you are saying, what have I worked on before? For faster replies & whatnot, the WP:TEAHOUSE is a great place to ask questions or seek aid & advise. Celestina007 (talk) 17:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
You move a new wiki page to draft space which is Amah Chibundu now. I just wanted you to re review it since you've once work on it. Thanks Lynndonald (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Lynndonald, I have not “once work on it” & honestly I can’t make sense of what you are saying anymore, me, moving your article to draftspace does not qualify as me “working on it” a review of the draft article’s history Draft:Amah Chinbudu, does not show me working on it. If you are plain confused just go to the WP:TEAHOUSE & seek for help. I’m afraid I can’t be of help to you anymore. Celestina007 (talk) 00:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay now I understand, I thought you moving the article to draft can help in reviewing the article. I just want to influence you for speedy review. But never mind I'll wait till a volunteer reviewer come to review.

Thanks have a great day Lynndonald (talk) 10:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 September 2020Edit

Rebecca Nengi Hampson (Redirection)Edit

Hi Celestina, I noticed the article Rebecca Nengi Hampson was redirected to Big Brother Naija (season 5), I feel this article ought not be redirected because Rebecca Nengi Hampson has won the core of endless individuals around the globe decidedly. With her persevering nature, she keeps up a decent harmony between her business and public activity, aside from being a reality TV Star, She made the top 5 MBGN of 2017. Wikipedia is a first hand information source for any human on the internet, and as her brand grows, this article would easily be a form of first hand information for anyone seeking. It shows she is relevant and of course a brand to relate with.Anniebisilolo (talk) 11:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Anniebisilolo, hello, your enthusiastic approach towards creating articles is quite appreciated I must say. Now, I just concluded a search on that name & I observed they just participated in a Nigerian reality TV show of which apparently they appear not to have emerged victorious, regardless, They appear not to satisfy WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:ENT this is a typical example of WP:TOOSOON. Following your comment above it appears as though you are betting on their brand being successful in future, it seems probable but as we are not a WP:CRYSTALBALL we have to wait until then before creating an article on them. Finding the right articles can be quite daunting, I know this, this is me right here asking our president @HandsomeBoy, for articles to create, so I appreciate your frustration but unfortunately a standalone article on Rebecca Nengi Hampson isn’t plausible at the moment. Celestina007 (talk) 12:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
I’m learning. Duly noted. Anniebisilolo (talk) 14:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
What if it was drafted instead of redirecting it to another page? Anniebisilolo (talk) 14:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Anniebisilolo, Do not bother about that, in the event she is notable, the redirect would be made into an article. See EDRED. Celestina007 (talk) 14:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
@Anniebisilolo, ah! I see you have almost successfully fooled me into believing you were a confused new editor with passion for the collaborative project. I guess I have GSS to thank for saving me from being completely fooled. Celestina007 (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Big Brother Naija fans don't get that popularity is not notability. Even Erica is not yet notable, until she features in more notable films. HandsomeBoy (talk) 14:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Re-opened AFDEdit

Just as a note, I've started Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Idin Samimi Mofakham (2nd nomination) based on your original nomination, which was closed early due to a copyvio deletion. I have copied your original nomination statement, but I thought you might like to know so that you can watch the page if desired. Primefac (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Primefac, Thank you for the notification. Celestina007 (talk) 16:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Idin Samimi Mofakham (Page)Edit

I like to invite you to reconsider your vote for the deletion of the mentioned page. the sources are sorted and the biography is changed, so there is no violation of copyright. Archa2 (talk) 18:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Archa2, even if there’s no more copyright infringement in the article, the subject still has to satisfy either a criterion from WP:COMPOSER or WP:GNG of which they don’t seem to satisfy either. Celestina007 (talk) 19:14, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, in my opinion and through working on the subject of this person, the conditions have been satisfied. still I can hope that my work and research will not be deleted. --Archa2 (talk) 19:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

G13 taggingEdit

Hello, Celestina007,

Thank you for your work. Please be sure you do not tag stale drafts prematurely. It shouldn't happen sooner than 6 months after the last nonbot editing activity. I appreciate your work but it's simpler to wait until that six month deadline has passed. Any edit can be challenged and it's best to be patient when we are just talking about minutes or hours. Some admins delete a page as soon as it's been tagged so it's also up to the editor tagging to make sure that the tag is appropriate and timely. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 23:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Liz, ah! yes, sometimes I have had to calculate it manually since the big ol’ red “This Draft hasn’t been edited ....” wont pop up even though it clearly was past 6 months, I guess I miscalculated on some occasions but moving forward i guess I’d just wait until it pops up. Thanks for the kind words Liz. Feel free to stop by more often. Celestina007 (talk) 06:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Zainab Shinkafi-BaduguEdit

Hello, Celestina007, please after I started work on this title Draft:Zainab Shinkafi-Bagudu I realized you have previously deleted the article sometime in the past. Please how do we revive and improve the article. I recently recreated it and it was removed. Wikinaija (talk) 08:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Wikinaija, sorry for the late response. I can’t delete articles so that wasn’t me, nevertheless, add more reliable sources to the article then submit it via the AFC process, just click on the submit button & that would take care of that. Celestina007 (talk) 16:02, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Wikinaija, I just observed that in the fourth line of your comment, you used the plural pronoun “We” as opposed to the singular 'I' , please do tell, how many of you use this account to edit? Perhaps you are oblivious of this rule, Except per legitimate purposes, you are to operate only one account at a time. Furthermore, If you have been employed to create this article on behalf of the subject you are mandated to declare this. Read WP:COI & WP:PAID. Celestina007 (talk) 18:47, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

A boy who wants to write about his uncleEdit

Hello from a newbie, I'm trying to write about my respected uncle, Alfred Boediman. Please don't delete it, instead teach me how to write it appropriately.

Thanks, Scooternubia Scooternubia (talk) 03:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Scooternubia, I don’t think I have ever encountered the article let alone delete it as I literally do not have the technical ability to do such. Anyway, you shouldn’t be writing an article for your uncle, it usually isn’t a good idea because you cannot write the article from a neutral perspective due to the invariable conflict of interest. Reading WP:COI would help you to understand better. In your spare time, reading WP:YFA, WP:GNG, WP:RS & WP:NPOV would generally teach you how to write decent articles. Celestina007 (talk) 18:29, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!Edit

  For consistently sorting your AfDs correctly. Sadly, something of a rarity. Much appreciated :) AleatoryPonderings (talk) 18:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
@AleatoryPonderings, thanks AP, The cup of tea is greatly appreciated. Celestina007 (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Kaizen sportsEdit

Why are you interrupting my edit Insane1212 (talk) 04:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Go troll someone else. Celestina007 (talk) 04:25, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for the review of the article I created. Hope your weekend is going well.
  // Timothy :: talk  04:29, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

TimothyBlue, I’m glad I could be of service. Thanks for creating the article. As for my weekend; so far so good. Celestina007 (talk) 04:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, My weekend is going well also. Been spending a little less time at AfD for the moment. Decided to try and take a group of articles to GA status. This is the first one The Pacific War Trilogy, its the summary style article for the three books in the series. Let me know if you have any feedback. Best wishes,   // Timothy :: talk  04:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Opinion requiredEdit seem to be well versed on the Wiki Guidelines and also recently voted at the Afd for The God of Wealth. So would you care to also provide your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Good Wealth 2020. Regards, Sunshine1191 (talk) 04:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Claudine LoquenEdit

Hello Celestina,

I thank you for your notification and help. I am new in en.wikipedia. I created the article "Claudine Loquen". I tried as well as possible to find sources and reference and I added it.

I have found pictures of the artist and a canvas in wikicommons but I did not succeed in add it in this article :

Could you help me. Thank you very much by advance.

--Raouldefrance (talk) 07:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Asking to restore deleted Wikipedia page of Mira DemartinoEdit

Hello Celestina007, I would like to kindly ask to restore page of "Mira Demartino" that I spent hours creating. I am a collector who contributes to Wikipedia creating pages for artists that I know, have an permission to use use images of their art works (yes, I realized that they must post their art works on Wikimedia Commons, first, with released license - and I am learning about the process too - thus I apologize if I was not aware of proper process of posting photos of art wors). The content of the page that I created for a sculptor Mira Demartino was carefully researched with all the links and sources checked, and I am perplexed why I was punished by: (a) being blocked from editing for two weeks (b) Mira DeMartinos page was removed. I hope that the page was not removed entirely, since I do not have a copy of the content saved on my computer, and I would have to do it from scratch agaon - I would appreciate your help and guidance. Creating web pages for artists is my contribution to the art worls and Wikipedia should apprecuate my free service, and help me not punish me. I am looking forward to your reply, Monitor333 --Monitor333 (talk) 15:42, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007 - I have been receiving comments from other administrator how the article about the artist could be rewritten - I have learned about due process to obtain permission to use photos of any artwork, when the copyright holder must grant permission to release the file under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license. I realized that the article included phrases that should not be there. I plan to write a new article avoiding any material that would not pass Wikipedia criteria. Thus what should done to clear the "Speedy deletion nomination" for the article? My intention is to write an objective article about the artist who deserves to have Wikipedia page. Looking forward to your suggestions.

--Monitor333 (talk) 02:13, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Kaizen sportsEdit

Why are you deleting my work 💔. All the time i spend😪😢🤷‍♂️. Insane1212 (talk) 13:34, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


I need to restore the article, it was not finished and it was only a draft, as it was written about in the comment. Please restore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nordmanweb (talkcontribs) 07:58, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for edit and request for helpEdit

Hello, many thanks for your cleanup on Malinda Kathleen Reese! I notice you’re a much more experienced editor, so can I ask for help please- I have used the cquote template for the quote in the YouTube career section, using ‘float=right’ and ‘width=50%’, but it doesn’t seem to be floating to the right or being at 50% width. Would you be able to help out with aligning the quote please?

Many thanks, Mojo0306 (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

G13 draftsEdit

Hello, Celestina007,

I've noticed all of the work you've done tagging old drafts (thank you!) and I believe you are checking out the draft lists on User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon sorting for expired drafts.

I just posted a notice about these lists at the AFC WikiProject so you might find that some of the drafts have recent edits on them. Unfortunately, that SDZeroBot page is only updated every 3-4 days and so drafts that have been edited recently might still appear on the lists. I assume you are checking out the edit history for each draft so please do not tag any draft that has a recent edit on it. You are probably doing this already but I thought I'd post a reminder since there might be more activity with old drafts on the SDZeroBot lists now. Thanks again! Liz Read! Talk! 19:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Liz, Yes Liz, I almost never trust bots & thus I always ensure to check the edit history before tagging them accordingly. Celestina007 (talk) 20:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! I'm improving!Edit

Thank you for the prompt review & suggestions on I'm a bit confused as I looked through the musician notability criterion and thought number 7 "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability." would apply since the artist in question has been cited in three different independent third party sources (2 major news/media outlets & one annual music publication) as the leader for this style of music in their region (being the leading UK Garage artist in Toronto Canada)? Genuinely just want to know if I misinterpreted number 7 or if researching to find additional info to supplement that criterion is necessary in addition to waiting for them to become more notable.

Also I'm not being paid by anyone to write the article, I'm just a big fan who's been following for some time now & wanted to surprise the subject with the submission although I can understand how it may come off upon closer inspection. Should I be paraphrasing more when I quote things from reviews to help with objectivity? I tried to model the page after these - ,

Thanks again for the notes! :))) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiddlewinker (talkcontribs) 15:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Tiddlewinker, this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. Please again read WP:PAID, a misconception amongst new users is that they believe editors being paid to edit is “breaking the law” whilst I don’t support it, that in itself isn’t what gets you blocked, what does is the failure to declare this. So please have a re-think and adjust accordingly, In the future if you are to be paid to edit, ensure to disclose it. If you were paid to create this article please promptly return any financial reward you may have obtained to them as this is a hopeless/helpless case at the moment, per WP:TOOSOON & WP:CRYSTALBALL. Celestina007 (talk) 15:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)


Thanks! I was translating from Italian and I was just tired to include also the notes that are present in the original version. I will edit them tomorrow (now it is 1.37am for me!). Thank you for your patience!--Ferdinando Scala (talk) 23:38, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I performed consistent edits - you can find them here: Draft:Francesco Forlani. Could you please confirm me whether now is it ok for publication? Thanks a lot--Ferdinando Scala (talk) 08:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Henry NwawubaEdit

Hello Celestina. You moved the article Draft:Henry Nwawuba into Draft yesterday. I want to let you know that I have added enough sources and references and therefore appealing for it to be moved to main article space. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubbyfem (talkcontribs) 09:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Rubbyfem, you submitted the draft for review yet you want me to still manually move it to mainspace? It’s an either/or situation I can’t do both, An AFC reviewer would come along to review the draft. Celestina007 (talk) 10:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
No I published it. You unpublished it and asked for it to be submitted. Rubbyfem (talk) 10:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@Rubbyfem, thus, you’d have to wait for it to be reviewed by an AFC reviewer, if you had just added the sources & not submitted it via WP:AFC(you did the right thing though) I would have moved it back to mainspace but now it has been submitted it is good practice to be patient with the process. An AFC reviewer would either decline the article or accept the article & move it to mainspace for you. Celestina007 (talk) 10:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I have made the correctionEdit

Please kindly check the corrections I made. I cited reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. E.g Hype_(magazine) The_Nation_(Nigeria)

Thanks  (Rubiesar (talk) 05:48, 16 October 2020 (UTC))

Uncontroversial move requestEdit

Hello Celestina007, kindly move 2019 Africa Magic Viewers' Choice Awards to 2020 Africa Magic Viewers' Choice Awards without a redirect, the award ceremony was held in 2020, not 2019. No awards took place in 2019. HandsomeBoy (talk) 07:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

  Done, HandsomeBoyNnadigoodluck 08:53, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. HandsomeBoy (talk) 11:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
@HandsomeBoy, looks like I was beat to this, I literally just woke up. I slept around 7:00am. Celestina007 (talk) 14:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Adjusted as RequestedEdit

Hi, Would like to appreciate your inputs here on Wikipedia, noticed you move one of my article to draft ( ) but you requested i added more cite.

I have made the needed adjustment by adding over 10 more new references to the draft.

Looking forward to a positive anticipation.

Thanks. Princek2019 (talk) 08:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Is not as if i don't understand Notabilty but somehow not comfortable with your judgement, an individual can be an Actress and a politician. It doesn't mean if he/she does not pass been an Actress, he/she won't pass as a politicians that is holding a political position.

Golden rules can only apply if the individual can't meet up to any other caterials Princek2019 (talk) 12:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Princek2019, what you have been saying has been incoherent, read WP:DIRECTOR, then come back & tell me how the subject of your article (a politician) should be judged using WP:DIRECTOR of which even when used as a yardstick he still falls short. Finally, a portion of your comment above reads Golden rules can only apply if the individual can't meet up to any other caterials, who told you such rubbish? the golden rule applies across all articles except in specific instances where it may not apply due to the work field of the individual involved, hence we have what is called Subject specific notability guidelines which we’d use to measure notability for persons whose work field do not receive significant media coverage (due to privacy & whatnot) for example; for professors, WP:PROF is used to ascertain their notability. Lest I forget, you need to read WP:COI & WP:PAID & declare any COI's if you don’t you’d get blocked for violation of WP:PAID. Now, Do you have anymore questions or queries for me? Celestina007 (talk) 12:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
please,I don't have any relationship with any subject and my article are created from online sources.Please don't make me admit something i know nothing about, nobody like his article been rejected that you should kindly understand for counter clarity.You are a senior editor, that's why i created a conversation so as to be a better editor as you.I appreciate your clarity now, i will work on the draft now to get the required reference.High Regards.Princek2019 (talk) 07:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I have declared a conflict of interest as requested but i don't have relationship with the subject. I still appreciate you for your indebt clarity.Princek2019 (talk) 07:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Princek2019, I did not request/order you to declare a conflict of interest if you have none, I said if any, declare it, meaning if there isn’t, you have no business declaring anything. Please read to understand before rushing to reply. Celestina007 (talk) 07:54, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Your Edits on Luis MunanaEdit

Hi, I noticed about 3 weeks ago that you took a decision to move the article of Namibian TV personality Luis Munana from Mainspace to Draft:Luis Munana and added a tag that explains that i may have a connection with the person when in actual sense, i only see the person on National television. After your move of tag addition, Pgallert edited it and removed the tags, you then took a decision to move it back into draft. As someone from Namibia and who follows the events closely, i would like to strongly disagree with your opinions in this process. Also, I doubt if you took time to read the articles and links attached before tagging the article for notability as the links come from reliable and independent Namibian sources. Perhaps my mistake could have been not putting the sources rightly into a article. I am asking if you could relook into the article and move it back into mainspace or I will have to put it up for AFD for independent and non contributing editors to discuss as i strongly doubt if you even attempted to reach the links from Namibia's national newspapers on the individual before taking the decisions you took ShopLeft (talk) 09:27, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

CommentShopLeft, I moved the article to draftspace only once & not twice as you have implied above. I did infact read the article before adding the {{COI}} tag. Per WP:DRAFTIFY, I can move back to draftspace articles that are newly created (at that point in time it was) & that have tale signs of COI/UPE. Do you categorically deny not having any form of COI with Draft:Luis Munana? Anyways, What you should do, is submit the article via the WP:AFC process. Do you have any other questions? Celestina007 (talk) 09:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment — Furthermore @ShopLeft, I took a second look at the article right now & it appears as though two weeks & two days ago an editor submitted the article for review on your behalf, so no, since it’s already submitted & on a queue, no, you may not move it back to mainspace manually, especially when there are UPE concerns, if I may ask why are you in haste? Wikipedia has no deadline for submission. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 09:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Celestina, you are misrepresenting policy here. As I already pointed out to you three weeks ago, you are required by policy to move the article back to main space. I'm sure you know that already, but here is the link: Wikipedia:Drafts#Requirements for page movers. So it isn't ShopLeft, whom you wrongly accused of COI, who has to take the article to AfC to get it back to main space. It is you who has to take it to AfD if you want it deleted. Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 10:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment — @Pgallert, Your reply is very much disturbing & a major cause for concern because you obviously didn’t read my reply above before jumping to comment for the sake of it. Absolutely not! I am not misinterpreting anything, it’s both of you deliberately not wanting to comprehend what I’m saying. Agreed! policy states that if drafitication is contended the article is to be moved back to Mainspace. I didn’t move it back to mainspace in time before this editor submitted it via the AFC process & at this juncture it is as counter intuitive as it is counter productive to manually move it back to mainspace since it’s already on the AFC queue. It is only right that an AFC reviewer reviews the article accordingly especially when a COI may be present, if you can’t tell, the professional photo on the draft article which the editor claims to be his own work is indicative of a COI. Need I say more? Celestina007 (talk) 10:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 I uploaded the photo online after having attended the Windhoek Fashion Show. You took a decision to unilaterally move the page after Pgallert questioned your ability to thought of putting the notability tag as the said individual is sufficiently notable and his sources are backed by reliable links from National Namibian Newspapers such as The Namibian, New Era, Namibian Sun and one from the BBC. You then decided to undo Pgallert's reasoning, put back the tags and removed the article from mainspace and then a COI tag despite me having no professional or social relationship with the TV personality. After you moved it from mainspace, another editor probably from Namibia removed the draft submission tag. On my side, I find a misapplication of thought on your end and will not attempt to enter into an edit war or edit the article further. Instead, seeing that we may go back and forth on this, I suggest that it be put up for AFD for the community and independent editors who have not contributed to this debate to offer opinions. I rest ShopLeft (talk) 16:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
ShopLeft, while Munana is certainly notable, I think you need to understand that the article is a long shot from being perfect.
  1. The first issue is that it uses a copyrighted picture, which is not allowed, even if it is your own picture. The moment it is published by a newspaper, it is no longer yours, and it cannot be used on Wikipedia.
  2. The second issue is that the article uses unreferenced information. For living people we have severe restrictions, as a rule of thumb: If it is not referenced then it must not be included.
  3. The third issue is that the article is promotional. It lumps together notable and non-notable things (Deputy Head Boy, all capitalised, is a good example) and presents an endless list of "achievements", many of which are simply results of him doing his job. In that way, you have watered down what is outstanding about him.
We are not writing impressive CVs here on Wikipedia but we summarise what is outstanding and important to know. Impressive CVs on Wikipedia often come from PR agencies, and that's what started these events. --Pgallert (talk) 18:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, it is not as if I anticipated an apology. I do agree that at this stage, moving this draft to main space would be strange. That doesn't excuse the situation that you left it in draft space for six days. That also doesn't excuse the situation that you still link Wikipedia policies to a veteran editor, even after that editor pointed out that it is you who was wrong here. As for IDHT, the issue with the picture I described to you. Because I also saw that this would be a clear-cut COI indication, but that picture was lifted from a newspaper site. Just check my talk page again, it is right there, with a ping to your account. --Pgallert (talk) 18:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment—@ShopLeft, it is quite annoying conversing with you, for one, (I am not being condescending here) but I’m having a hard time comprehending the things you type as they are mostly incoherent. You keep on talking about notability as though it were the elephant in the room, whereas what is or rather what was, was what I believed to be a WP:COI, I left you a message on your talk asking you to explain how you got a professional photoshoot of your article's subject as your own work but you intelligently evaded that question. @Pgallert, it wasn’t my intention to link experienced editors to policy but you have to also appreciate my efforts in trying to combat what I believed to be COI. A professional photo present in an article & the article creator claiming as their own work is a major indication of a COI & not until you pointed out that it might have been a copyright violation did I utilize reverse image & observed it was indeed a copyvio. Celestina007 (talk) 22:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment I found the article today as a redlink from another article I was patrolling and the main issue I see with it now is the lack of inline citations for basic things like birthday and location and other statements of fact that need to be well-sourced for BLP articles. I've started added some of them as I find them but it's slow going (I don't know why New Era is offline today, that hasn't been helping) but if anyone else would like to help with this piece, it might make things easier. Agree with Celestina007, the subject is clearly notable and yet the article still needs some work. The draft space is the place for that work to happen. Jessamyn (talk) 21:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Reformed Ogboni Fraternity & Freemasonary DiscussionEdit

Hello, Celestina007...

I was not adding my own commentary. That is a reference to the masonic elements of the R.O.F., elements that I had every intention of providing a supporting citation for.

Also, the reference to Ogboni being broad does not take into account the fact that the Ogboni article already makes it clear that it is distinct from the R.O.F. The R.O.F. is NOT the Ogboni, they are officially the Reformed Ogboni Fraternity. Why make a link to a page that doesn't exist? If it would make you feel better, create an Aborigine Ogboni redirect to the Ogboni article.

Here's hoping that this finds you well.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 14:48, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@O.ominirabluejack, this was your own commentary which is basically WP:OR so I’m not sure you know what you are saying, a portion of your statement above reads Why make a link to a page that doesn't exist. That is precisely the point of red-linking, indicating that something is notable enough to warrant a standalone article & hopefully an editor would take interest in creating it, all of which you have eliminated by removing the redlink. What is more troubling is you do not comprehend what WP:OR is, & recognizing when you have engaged in OR, personal commentary is OR. If you do not understand that, then I think you should be conservative in article creating until you are competent enough to understand fundamental elements of article creation. Lastly please see WP:SIGN & learn how to do that too appropriately. Celestina007 (talk) 15:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Very well. As I stated above however, I was going to provide a citation to support the suggestion that masonic elements exist in the R.O.F. I am in the process of doing so now.
As to the red linking, I assumed that you didn't know that the group I included a link to was its own society. You seemed to be suggesting that the fraternity wasn't based on what I linked the page to, which some of the given citations in the article suggest. At any rate, I have restored your red link.
O.ominirabluejack (talk) 15:23, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@O.ominirabluejack, except the sources you intend to use explicitly states the interplay between Freemasonry & R.O.F you’d still be engaging OR. The problem is you may know for a fact that there are common elements between the R.O.F & Freemasonry but if no reliable sources states that then it shouldn’t be in an article, because that would be unverifiable hence constituting original research. That you can’t grasp this is troubling, did you even bother to read WP:OR? I’m asking because I just told you to read WP:SIGN & you clearly did not do so.Celestina007 (talk) 15:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
The reference I've included refers to Sir Adeyemo incorporating masonic elements. It was taken from his own Wikipedia page, a quote from which I've also included.
As to what you told me to read, I have done so, and I am more confused than I was before. Not only is the quote supported, but I did do what they said that I should when signing. If there is a way other than using four ~s, please enlighten me.
I never claimed to know everything.
O.ominirabluejack (talk) 15:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
You Sign immediately after any entry you make by adding four {{tildes}} immediately after your comment do not start a new line to sign. Please before I proceed any further you’d notice I have indented our conversation thus far if you intend to keep posting please also indent accordingly, so others can follow the conversation with ease.
The fact that you lifted that information verbatim from an already existing article doesn’t make the assertion a correct one. The editor who put that information there could have easily being engaging in OR or adding of personal commentary also & that’s how hoaxes are born, I tried to search for the mention of Masonry & R.O.F in the book but couldn’t see anything to substantiate the statement made. It may or may not be there as book sources are difficult to navigate. Now, until you can find at least one reliable source that easily verifies the claims made, I’m afraid I have to remove that information out of the article or in the very least, place a tag there that informs the readers that, this particular information they are reading may be untrue/false.
Furthermore @O.ominirabluejack, the entire Later history section appears to be blatant original research. Take care of that immediately.Celestina007 (talk) 16:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Although my old link was perfectly in order, I'm going to assume that you had a problem with it... I trust that the "Encyclopedia of Africa: Volume I" would be more acceptable? This clearly states on page 60 what I have always maintained: Freemasonry influenced the founders of the R.O.F.
[[2]] O.ominirabluejack (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
@O.ominirabluejack, if you are going to affiliate a cult yes, a cult as per this, this, & this to a notable and fraternity such as Freemasonry then the least you can do is learn to cite a book properly. Please do not re-include that information until you have properly substantiated your claims. Celestina007 (talk) 20:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, your advice has been duly noted. I will now go and learn the Harvard Referencing system. Once I do, I am restoring the information in question. If you have a problem with it, please take it up with Prof. Henry Louis Gates. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 21:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
@O.ominirabluejack, Citing a book should be relatively easy. Re-adding the information would be an effort in futility if in the end what you cite isn’t directly linking the Nigerian cult to Freemasonry, which is the real bone of contention here. I’d revert such unverifiable information if re-added and take tougher actions to prevent further disruptive editing on that article. Which you have been doing for the past two months now by adding poorly sourced material to a very sensitive area such as linking Freemasonry with a Nigerian cult that has been accused of serial ritual killings. Celestina007 (talk) 21:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, okay... What was wrong with the citation now? I made certain that I followed the guidelines that you just provided. Look, I realize that you don't wish for an African "cult" to be associated with anything as precious as Freemasonry (and by the way, I can just as easily provide links - in both the local and foreign press - that accuse the masons of all that and worse), but it doesn't invalidate the learned claims of Ivy League professors in the citation that I gave... Or are we going to say that I should've used the original "inspired" instead of influenced? If it's all the same to you, I think that I'll request for independent arbitration now. I wish you a good day. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
@O.ominirabluejack Read the message on your talk page. Did you even bother to? Celestina007 (talk) 22:49, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Celestina007... I hope that you've had a good week. As per our agreement, I'm going to restore the information to the page now, but I thought that I would give you a head's up. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 19:58, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
O.ominirabluejack, yup! A deal is a deal. Celestina007 (talk) 10:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Rude communications againEdit

Elizium23 is at it again. On the article on Ernest Simoni I changed a link to Roman Catholic Church to Catholic Church since the article is under Catholic Church. This beligerant user is now threatening to block me for doing so.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

  • I have redon the revision with a fuller explination in my note plus added an item on the talk page on Ernest Simoni that explains the situation. Since Simoni is a Cardinal and not just a bishop, he is as a Cardinal linked to the whole 20-plus rites of Catholicism, and not just the Latin Rite, so This is in many ways a very clear case. Plus in context this literally was changing a link from going through a redirect to going directly to the intended destination.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
@Johnpacklambert, I’ve left them a note on their talk page. I wouldn’t worry about the threat to block you, they literally do not have the required technical ability to do so. They are mere hollow threats & nothing more, if they cross the civility line or engage in personal attacks against you do not hesitate to let me know & I’d open an WP:AN/I thread pertaining to that. Celestina007 (talk) 15:29, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Now they claim there is some sort of RfC related to this issue. No actual link to this alleged Rfc, the whole thing is very annoying. What I have learned is that Elizium is clearly aware the page is at Catholic Church, but is determined to use ultimate force to prevent direct links from articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

A bit over the topEdit

Hey there, this warning feels a bit over the top to me. I get your frustration, but the "be careful" salutation feels off and the general tone is hostile. With his editing style and dubious explanations, like his comment on Ytoyoda's talk page, it is usually just a matter of time before they do something boneheaded. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb, first of all, thanks for warning them also. Very true, it’s only a matter of time before they get what’s coming to them. I’ve tried to talk to them in a nice tone but their battleground mentality is quite disturbing & frustrating. Thanks for stoping by CB. Please feel free to stop by more often. Celestina007 (talk) 19:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Some helpEdit

Hello, I have came across some message in my talk page somedays back. I got to know about paid editing from that template. I thought everyone here are volunteers like me. Anyways, I found these edits diff1, diff 2, diff 3, diff 4 by the editor as their first ever edits which involve Conflict of Interest. Though the user declared a Conflict of Interest in their user page, I think one should refrain from editing the pages where they have COI. Also, this user used that 'paid editing' template for the first time ever. I am letting you know to seek help how to deal with this. What I got, detecting paid editing possibly needs much experience. Overall I would request you to have a look at this user, if you can. --☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 22:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mamushir, Yes, you are right people with COI's are strongly advised to request an edit on the talk page of the article rather than edit the article directly, I haven’t taken a solid look at anything yet, but if they are editing the article directly it’s probably because they are optimizing the loophole which merely strongly advises but does not forbid them from directly editing an article they have a COI with but if the edits are remotely even promotional ones then reporting it at WP:COIN would be the next best route to follow. I’m not sure I understand why they used the {{Paid}} template on you, but not too worry, give me sometime to communicate with them & I’d find out why they did so. Celestina007 (talk) 23:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007 Thank you very much for your help and guidance. I will wait for your response. --☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 23:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
I left this at their talk page & currently I’m awaiting their response as they haven’t been here since November 4, so patience is key here. For now just keep editing as you usually would. Celestina007 (talk) 23:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I have also added some comment at their talk page requesting them to keep things public as I think there is nothing to use cloak and dagger, possibly you will also agree. Since yesterday, I have been a bit puzzled while trying to understand the rationale behind the concept of paid editing. Because, I have been thinking, since Wikipedia is a massive collaborative project people can add what they wish to and since we have such a robust reviewing system for all kind of edits, if that edit is eligible to stay it will or else it will not. So, I have been trying to find why someone will pay someone else for editing Wikipedia. If someone has something to edit namely some article to write, they can do it on their own, or if he has some COI, as you said, they can always request for such edit or article or anything else, the same if found wiki worthy will be done by some editor over here. No one can secure anything special or unusual here at Wikipedia as far I understand as the chances of manipulation is next to impossible and that is why Wikipedia enjoys such a revered authority. Also, the community of editors which have experienced senior editors like you are very helpful and collaborative so if someone truly wish to add some value to this encyclopaedia, they will only have all possible aids for making them contribute here successfully. So, its seems a bit odd why people will pay someone to edit Wikipedia since they can never get what can not be here or can get something which can be here by doing that themselves without even asking anybody else. --☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 21:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
@Mamushir, the thing with paid editing is people who don’t know how Wikipedia works erroneously believe only those who work directly for Wikipedia can create biographical articles, not knowing that in reality it’s completely false & they themselves can create their own article, which isn't advisable I should add. UPE editors capitalize on the ignorance of those individuals(usually celebrities) oblivious of the intricacies of Wikipedia & deliberately promote the falsehood by disguising as Wikipedia employees and requesting financial reward if those celebrities want an article on themselves & also request what I describe as “monthly maintenance fees” from them. Believe it when I tell you people earn a living by engaging in Undisclosed Paid editing. I should also state that receiving financial rewards for creating an article isn’t necessarily evil/wrong but what is; is the editor not declaring that they have been paid to create the article. Celestina007 (talk) 21:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007 I have seen the response made by the editor (I see it has been removed now though diff). I was happy to see that things were made open which always minimizes confusion I think. The image shared by the editor has concerned me much and made me dumbfounded as the review segment exactly describes very precisely some of my past edits. I have been trying to gather some information about this site The page about them gives an impression that they are possibly not a legit thing. I found that site/forum to be fraud and scam as they say here, here, here, here, here and here. So, they seem to be complete fraudulent/scam site. Also, I found this facebook group where people can purportedly sell/buy 'reviews' at So, I do not know how considerable these 'reviews' are from such a fraudulent site. Also, when I tried to search for that review, I could not 'chance upon' anything, as possibly I would need to sign up which I did not feel safe to do. Whoever has managed 'the evidence' must have been active in there. The segment of review made me shocked as they are just the edit summary of my concerned edits. If it is true that people offer Wikipedia edit for pay there, it is highly likely that, they have picked up some random contemporary edits (which happened to be mine) and described those edit summaries in the 'review' to hide something which they wanted to. It hardly make any sense why someone will put the edit summaries in a review if it is truly a review. The guys who offer edits this way for pay are expected to be cunning and they can do anything I believe. Sorry to say, I can not concur with what you said about people making their living out of selling Wikipedia edits and paid Editing and being fine with that. I am from a third world country and I can well appreciate the difficulties associated with earnings but I think paid editing is an evil and dishonest kind of livelihood. Someone can make a living but it should be honest and paid editing does not fall under that. I also think, Wikipedia Policy about paid editing should be changed. Since Wikipedia gives the scope for paid editing by not making it prohibited, such nuisances are there to pollute the environment of Wikipedia. I think paid editing is against the sentiment of our editor community and it should be fought tooth and nail. I wish to fight paid editing in Wikipedia actively and incidents like these are making me feel more intensely about it since owing to these paid editors, good faith editors like me are getting affected. I am truly very disturbed. Anyway, while fighting paid editing, I will try to concentrate on the tools and resources that are there in Wikipedia, which I believe to be robust and sufficient and I will refrain from gathering any such 'evidence' off wiki since I do not wish to commit any cyber crime. I have read the small note on your user page about paid editing and I felt even more thoughtful about the issue. I wish for your guidance and help wrt my endeavor to fight paid editing. --☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 07:32, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

User talk:JayBeeEllEdit

Hello, Celestina007,

JayBeeEll asked you not to post on his user talk page and you erased his comment and then immediately went and posted more messages on his user talk page? Why would you not respect his request? Please respect an editor's request to only post obligatory messages on their talk pages. Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Liz, Hello Liz, if I remember correctly, he said except only if policy was involved, I posted on their tp reminding them of WP:NPA of which they clearly do not understand. I couldn’t care less about JBL & their affinity for drama, if they continue to attack me, which they have done so multiple times without any real reason I would eventually take this to the WP:AN/I since they feel they can violate NPA without any repercussions. I do hope as you have dropped a message on my TP, you’d do the same on their own tp reminding them of NPA. Celestina007 (talk) 03:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
You've left more than one message on their talk page about NPA and I think that is sufficient. And, for your information, comments have to be much more egregious for an editor to be sanctioned for being impolite. I don't think their comment crossed the line. But then I've been called plenty of names over my time here on Wikipedia and no editor has ever received a block over any of them. They usually have to be comments that are racist, sexist, ethnically insulting or anti-semitic for an editor to face a block.
I wouldn't recommend going to ANI unless you have a really strong case. If you do post a complaint, expect people to look at your own behavior, too. Going to ANI is usually an unpleasant and unsatisfying experience for all parties unless it is an open-and-shut case. That's just been my experience. Liz Read! Talk! 04:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
@Liz, Personal attacks are personal attacks regardless of how egregious they are, that some personal attacks have to be OTT before they are sanctionable is indicative of a rot in our system. If a new user got hit with the PA, JBL hit me with & observed JBL didn’t even get as much as a “you are wrong” for saying such message they’d leave the project & consider this place a circus, well, not me, my thick skin is second to none. I do understand you when you say Going to ANI is usually an unpleasant and unsatisfying experience for all parties & having slept over it, I’ve decided not to, because it isn’t just worth it. In the end everyone would get what is coming their way. Celestina007 (talk) 14:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The Months of African Cinema Contest Continues in November!Edit


Thank you very much for participating in the Months of African Cinema global contest/edit-a-thon, and thank you for your contributions so far.

It is already the middle of the contest and a lot have been achieved already! We have been able to get over 1,500 articles created in over fifteen (15) languages! This would not have been possible without your support and we want to thank you. If you have not yet listed your name as a participant in the contest page please do so.

Please make sure to list the articles you have created or improved in the article achievements' section of the contest page, so that they can be easily tracked. To be able to claim prizes, please also ensure to list your articles on the users by articles page. We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

  • Overall winner
    • 1st - $500
    • 2nd - $200
    • 3rd - $100
  • Diversity winner - $100
  • Gender-gap filler - $100
  • Language Winners - up to $100*

We are very excited about what has been achieved so far, but your contributions are still needed to further exceed all expectations! Let’s create more articles before the end of this contest, which is this November!!!

Thank you once again for being part of this global event! --Jamie Tubers (talk) 10:30, 06 November 2020 (UTC)

You can opt-out of this annual reminder from The Afrocine Project by removing your username from this list


Hello Celestina, I was going through list of Enterpreneurs (as usual) to see if I'd see someone notable. I found "Olabisi Akanbi". Can you google up, if the informations available about him is notable, then tell me, I'll go ahead with the creation. 𝐂𝐡𝐮𝐤𝐬𝐉𝐃 ❑❑❑❑𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐤𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐢𝐥 06:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


Hi. I noted your exchange with User:Omorodion1 and also that they continue to create (almost exclusively) Nigerian entrepreneur articles, removing NPOV tags. How long do we AGF? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Alexandermcnabb, up until the degree where they clearly show they aren’t here to build an encyclopedia, of which Omorodion1 is currently exhibiting if they are still creating articles on non notable entrepreneurs after I warned them not to. Celestina007 (talk) 13:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I mean, they're good. The articles are referenced and all, the tone is just veering on promotional (but not mad) and the people being profiled are sourced, just about notable, the CVs are perhaps just a bit too detailed and CV-like. I'm not sure where you can hang a definite conclusion on them. I noticed them at NPP and they're definitely still on the go! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Alexandermcnabb, I’d take a solid look at all their article creations from the time I admonished them to stop creating biographical articles on non notable entrepreneurs up until now and take an informed action. We are allowed to drafitify recently created articles we suspect of COI/UPE or we could go straight to WP:COIN, since they don’t want to play by the rules. Celestina007 (talk) 13:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
@Alexandermcnabb, So I just observed their history & it appears they created Anike Lawal directly to mainspace despite my advice, well I have moved it to Draftspace per WP:DRAFTIFY as it isn’t just ready for mainspace per the sourcing & contrary to what you think, the sourcing isn’t good.
The first source used in the article are yet to develop a reputation for fact checking.
The second is a blatant unreliable source, hell, it’s basically her CV.
The third categorically states it’s a sponsored post
The fourth is an announcement.
The fifth source, per WP:RSP isn’t reliable.
The sixth & last one is a repeat of the third source, which is a sponsored pr post /announcement as well. So in all we have sources with no value to WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 13:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Ah. You know I didn't look at Anike's sources again, 'cos I put her up for an A7 speedy and got knocked back (by User:Jamie Tubers 'definitely not an A7) - but I did look at [3] and she had a couple nice sources. I'm new to NPP and am sort of influenced by how my actions are being taken (for instance, I hate doing a speedy and getting it wrong) by more experience editors. But something in my itchy nose didn't seem right and that's when I saw your comment... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Now [4] - we're a new page factory! Would a CU show that? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi User:Celestina007 and User:Alexandermcnabb I have read your discussion above and I have come to understand that you are not comfortable with my activities here on Wikipedia. You probably assume my activities here are influenced by some paid benefits. Well, you are wrong. I had earlier explicitly declared that I have no conflict of interest or paid editing interest whatsoever. My recent contributions are due to the ongoing Decolonise the internet project as you can see here that I am one of the participants. I expect you both to put me through were I'm getting it wrong and not look for the slightest opportunity to nominate my articles for speedy deletion. I'm yet to see a perfect article on Wikipedia...every article created can always be improved upon provided the subject meets Wikipedia's notability and verifiability policy. That said, I have decided to withdraw from the project since you have both made it clear that you are uncomfortable with my activities here. I hope you have a nice time here. Omorodion1 (talk) 10:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Rapidly followed by the creation of yet another non-notable, promotional article about a Nigerian 'entrepreneur', [5] which I have nominated for speedy. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@Alexandermcnabb, I have chosen for now to AGF as they appear to be binge creating articles gotten off this list I presume Omorodion1 erroneously thinks the mere fact that the individuals are listed there makes them automatically notable. I have chosen in good faith to 'take it easy on them' as they may be going through WP:NEWBIE errors. Please @Omorodion1, always carry out a google search prior article creations and also read WP:RS & if you aren’t sure about Nigerian reliable sources, feel free to leave a message on my talk-page & remember to take it easy on creating articles for entrepreneurs. Celestina007 (talk) 20:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The No Spam Barnstar
Hey, you deserve this! ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 21:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
TheAafi, AafiOnMobile, Ah! If it isn’t my good ol friend. Thanks mate. Celestina007 (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, Keep it up. You're making a difference here. ─ The Aafī (talk) 12:08, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
@TheAafi, we both are, I see your commendable work on AFC also. Kudos Champ!! Celestina007 (talk) 20:57, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Some helpEdit

Celestina007, I'm new to Wikipedia and I have taken out time to read some rules - the 5 pillars to be precise. I tried to enroll to the some courses on WikiEdu but too bad "school's" about to close there. I found the Nigeria Wikiproject and I would to know where/what I can do to help. I have interest in Entrepreneurs, Bloggers, Business and other related to the subject. It would be really nice if I'm given some courses/exercise to go through before I start editing to the mainspace. Best, Timi (talk) 00:09, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Timileyin Olalere, you seem to be familiar with how Wikipedia works despite the fact that you joined barely 22 hours ago, have you edited previously under a different account? Have you received lectures on the inner workings of Wikipedia off wiki? Your precocious talents are well noted. Okay so to answer your question, you’d want to start with WP:YFA, WP:GNG, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:COI, WP:AUTO, WP:REFB, & WP:CITE. My advice to you would be to keep off biographical articles on entrepreneurs & organizations & if you must create articles on them, it is in your best interest to use the WP:AFC process. Celestina007 (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, I’ll start reading right away. This is my first account here anyways. AFC would definitely be the right way to do so. I’ll definitely drop a message on your talk page when I need help. Best, Timi (talk) 20:46, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Olabisi Alofe-KolawoleEdit

Celestina007, thank you for your understanding so far. I have had better understanding of Wikipedia's policies these past days. Please I need your opinion on the notability status of Olabisi Alofe-Kolawole. She is the first female force public relations officer (FPRO) of the Nigerian Police Force. I have done some online search on her and I think she is notable enough to be on Wikipedia. However, I need your expert opinion before I can proceed. Thanks in anticipation. Omorodion1 (talk) 11:13, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Omorodion1, there’s something called WP:1EVENT whereby individuals are remarkable for just one event and this doesn’t confer notability. She possess what I’d describe as bare notability. Most sources I’ve seen just mentions that she is the first x to accomplish y, which is not an indication of true notability. I wouldn’t advise you to create an article on this individual directly to mainspace. You may however begin to create an article for her in your Draftspace and continue to add sources then when done, submit via the WP:AFC process then ping me to review the article for you. Hopefully then more sources would discuss her with in-depth significant coverage outside of the first x to accomplish y scenario. Celestina007 (talk) 20:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I quite agree that she is mainly notable for one event. I think I would rather wait for her to gain the required notability status before creating an article on her. To be honest, I didn't even know there was something called WP:1EVENT. Many thanks for the enlightenment. Omorodion1 (talk) 08:18, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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I saw your comments on the talk page of Owpj777. Do you think he needs blocking as an undisclosed paid editor? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak, I honestly think that would be the best course of action. Celestina007 (talk) 02:21, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Want To Be Cleared On SomethingEdit

Please, I want to know if I am allowed to make any further edit on Wikipedia while my last article is still being debated over suspected UPE & sockpuppetry or I should wait till that is resolved. For now, I have been staying off any edit to avoid any penalty until this is resolved. Please I want to know if that is the right thing to do for now, please I need feed back urgently. LoneWrita (talk) 20:34, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Harish AhujaEdit

Respected Celestina007, Greetings of the day! First of all, I acknowledge your review and every action on the subject page. I am here to seek your advice. After your observations, I have revised many parts of the page. Kindly guide me if it is workable now or I should give up?   Thank you and best regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 06:58, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@RAJIVVASUDEV, honestly you’d want to start by making little edits and typo corrections in articles before attempting to create one from scratch. If you intend to continue creating articles, you may want to submit it via the AFC process & an AFC reviewer would access it then either accept, decline, or reject the article then give you a suggestion on what to do next. Celestina007 (talk) 12:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Respected Celestina007 You are right, For Biographies and articles for living persons, I will surely follow your advice.   Sorry! for any misunderstanding. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 13:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@RAJIVVASUDEV, I’m glad I could be of assistance. Furthermore please it’s just 'Celestina' the “respected” prefix you add isn’t necessary. Thanks, feel free to stop by any time. Celestina007 (talk) 16:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much.RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 01:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetEdit

You recently mentioned me in a message to an editor that you suspect of sockpuppetry. I have looked at the account's editing history, and it looks perfectly possible, but I don't see anything definite enough to justify any action. Do you have any definite evidence? If you do, you may like to email it to me. JBW (talk) 13:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@JBW, Ah yes! I have replied you, check your inbox. Celestina007 (talk) 14:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I've read your email, and I agree with everything you said. If you get even a tiny bit more evidence then please feel very welcome to let me know. JBW (talk) 20:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
@JBW, I most certainly would. Thanks. Celestina007 (talk) 20:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Wahala for who be sock o. HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
HandsomeBoy, lmaooooooo. Celestina007 (talk) 10:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


May I request you to have a review of my recent edits in Textile. Best regardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 02:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

RAJIVVASUDEV, you and Roxy the dog ought to just reach an agreement or at least a compromise at the talk page of the article. Being sarcastic towards each other would not get the job done. Celestina007 (talk) 10:55, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Do you think it's about two users' agreement? For me, the project and policies are the priority. But thanks for your kind reply. RegardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 11:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
@RAJIVVASUDEV, The “project” is a collaborative one, so if there isn’t an accordance or some sought of compromise between editors the project would retrogress or be stale. I can’t say I know what the problem is but from my own observation it seems like a content dispute & any content dispute requires understanding and compromise. If you both can’t reach a consensus at the talk page of the article then you can seek for a third opinion, obviously I’d recuse myself from this one if it gets to that. Celestina007 (talk) 11:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007 I appreciate your advice. Kindly allow me to explain my side in the shortest description. I am always ready to learn and respect the policies and prepared to collaborate and compromise. But this is a two-way process, and the user's interest is never the project but only harassment. Whenever asked, he always harping the same narrative[[6]] every time. The team RB follows me like a shadow and dig things out of every edit I make. The pattern is with every page; after reverting my edits, when i try to convince him on the related talk pages, he appoints B and finds an escape with CIR and Eng's old repetitive excuses. Recent ones are talk Khes, where he argued for Khes is Kesh, Sussi (cloth) is bullshit, and so on. He made sure the redirect Mulmul to Muslin and now Piecegoods to Textile. I am sorry to bore you; I am grateful for your time and efforts. Best RegardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 02:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Sleeper accountEdit

I was a contributor of the Spanish Wikipedia. I started as a contributor of the Venezuelan project. I am no longer involved with it and I am trying, as much as possible, to avoid Venezuelan politics. You can verify that I first registered there and then moved here (Francisco de Miranda article). Talking about politics has become way too dangerous in my home country. Just in case you want to know more about me. I stopped contributing in 2019, just after the Venezuelan presidential crisis started. That's my background. QuinteroP (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Since you stalk my page, you ought to know this is the wrong venue. Feel free to defend yourself in the appropriate venue.Celestina007 (talk) 18:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!Edit

  Looking through the nominations to see how to improve the article, thanks celestina007 Tundealuko (talk) 14:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Need Review and ApprovalEdit

Dear, please help in reviewing this article and approval: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

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Happy editing,

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Warmest greetingsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 13:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@RAJIVVASUDEV, thanks mate & a merry Christmas to you too. Have a good one!!


reason for the page deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjanvii (talkcontribs) 21:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jjanvii, we have notability standards on biographical articles retained on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, at this moment the subject of your article falls short of of this notability standard. Celestina007 (talk) 21:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

  Merry Christmas Celestina007

Hi Celestina007, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia this past year, like this tree, you are a light shining in the darkness.
Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words mate they really do mean a lot to me. Celestina007 (talk) 21:31, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

Hello, Celestina007! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Happy holidaysEdit

Happy Holidays!

Hi Celestina007, May your holidays be merry and bright,
and hope you have a happy and healthy 2021

Netherzone (talk) 15:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks mate, merry Christmas to you & yours @Netherzone. Celestina007 (talk) 21:02, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Adem KastratiEdit

Hello, this page should not be deleted because it should also be in English. Or better yet tell me how to create an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shkupi Kumanova 1234 (talkcontribs) 21:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Shkupi Kumanova 1234, probably, but you haven’t written it properly, your use of promotional words and it’s current unnecessary overly detailed state makes it not fit for mainspace. Furthermore copy pasting it back to mainspace is a very disruptive move, please do not repeat such. To answer your question read How do I create a decent article & when you need help ask directly at this place. Celestina007 (talk) 22:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I see you have landed yourself a partial block, it appears you have been warned previously but refused to listen. Celestina007 (talk) 22:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Dear Celestina007, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!.

scope_creepTalk 11:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I think your user page has been vandalizedEdit

@Celestina007:, I think your main User page (not talk page) may have been vandalized, as an editor by the name of Shkupi Kumanova 1234 has nominated it for G11 Speedy Deletion. I can't imagine you would want it deleted, and I see that he/she may be disgruntled concerning a draft for Adem Kastrati, and they may be coming off of a partial block. I would contest the nom myself, but I don't know if there has been discussion about this off-wiki. Hope you see this message before it's deleted, and if not, I'm sure it can be undeleted. Either way, it seems odd enough that I thought I'd reach out to you. Netherzone (talk) 14:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks, the editor is heading for a NOTHERE block sooner than later. Celestina007 (talk) 14:59, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, Agreed, they are obviously here to push their agenda rather than create an encyclopedia. Vandalizing your user page was bullying. Be well, Netherzone (talk) 15:02, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
@Netherzone, the beauty of this environment is everyone gets what’s coming their way eventually. Safe to say he gets the message now. Celestina007 (talk) 15:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007, so true! It's amusing what they wrote below about, "If you give up I will be very happy. God bless you" LOL Yes, I think he gets the message, but I would not be surprised if a sock appears. Netherzone (talk) 15:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
@Netherzone, no doubt they’d re-appear. I’m actually anticipating it. Celestina007 (talk) 22:18, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Contested deletionEdit

Your user page has been vandalized twice with the G11 speedy deletion template by an editor named Shkupi Kumanova 1234. --Netherzone (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Adem KastratiEdit

Please do not delete this page, although deleting it will report your account as well as the deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shkupi Kumanova 1234 (talkcontribs) 15:11, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Shkupi Kumanova 1234, quit talking nonsense, quit being disruptive & please if you can quit vandalizing my userpage whilst you’re at it, it would be great. Celestina007 (talk) 15:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Adem KastratiEdit

I gave up your site, so you also give up the site I created. If you give up I will be very happy. God bless you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shkupi Kumanova 1234 (talkcontribs) 15:18, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh? & How’s that going now? Celestina007 (talk) 15:36, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 December 2020Edit

Sandeep Saurav YadavEdit


I have updated so please the approve the profile [[7]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shital V Yadav (talkcontribs) 08:10, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

My Draft:Christian StolzEdit

I, Emily Selina, request the undeletion of this draft or Articles for creation submission deleted under CSD G13. Please restore the page as I intend to work on it. Emily Selina (talk) 17:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC) Dear Celestina007, how it would be possible to publish this completed article in Thank you for your help! In my opinion, the article is ready for publication. I requestet for undeletion.

Happy New Year!Edit

Tahaaleem Talk 13:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New YearEdit

Happy New Year 2021
I hope your New Year holiday is enjoyable and the coming year is much better than the one we are leaving behind.
Best wishes from Los Angeles.   // Timothy :: talk 

Happy New Year!Edit

  Happy New Year!
Hello Celestina007:

Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels?

Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters.

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Happy New Year!Edit

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Happy New YearEdit

  Happy new year 2021 !
Wish you a great New Year! Thanks and best regards RV (talk) 06:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

New Year's wikiloveEdit

  The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
This will not and would never equal what you do! Thank you for all that you're doing here! Em-em talk 14:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
@M-Mustapha, Thanks M, i try my best. Happy new year mate!! Celestina007 (talk) 22:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


I'm starting to have some doubts about this one. It's a major part of a major internet suite, very important in its own country. Perhaps it and otherservice should be merged into te main article. not just listed there. If you disagree, I guess afd is the way to go. DGG ( talk ) 06:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey @DGG, to be honest I’d just let another editor take over that one. I’ve been mentally drained for a while now. Celestina007 (talk) 06:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
yes, I find that I too prefer to do what can be done easily, in a single short period of editing, and which will not require followup. Someone else will probably pick up this one. DGG ( talk ) 06:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Requesting explaination for speedy deletionEdit

I request you to provide the reason for speedy deletion on the page I created Being Human (Music Producer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForBeingHuman (talkcontribs) 06:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@ForBeingHuman, I certainly do not appreciate the commanding tone. However the reason is self explanatory. Celestina007 (talk) 06:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@Celestina007, I have added citations to prove the significance of this article Being Human (Music Producer). Please verify and remove the restrictions on this page
@ForBeingHuman, really dude? Is this the route you have chosen to follow? Writing an autobiographical article? Using a blatant alternate sock account to remove the A7 tag? Move-warring? Using Wikipedia for self promotion? and other counter productive activities? Its not a bright idea believe you me, just stop. Celestina007 (talk) 08:05, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@Celestina007, This is not at all for self promotion. Why is this page not significant to be on wikipedia? If it is for self promotional purposes, I would have given links to promote and attract people. I have written this article from a neautral point of view. I have'nt included any links in the articlee except for the citations. And that too for verification.
@ForBeingHuman, because it falls short of our general notability criteria. You haven’t still addressed why you used a sock account to remove the A7 speedy deletion tag. Using more than one account to game the system is a very grievous offense here did you know that? Well now you do! Celestina007 (talk) 08:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@Celestina007, Ok. I apologise for what I did. Can you please show me a way to get this article on Wikipedia?
@ForBeingHuman, As of now it is impossible. The subject of the article is an 18 yr old that woefully falls short of WP:GNG(how we roughly test notability) & also falls short of WP:MUSICBIO. Of course I doubt that what I’ve just told you would deter you from editing the article any further but you’d be wise to adhere else you risk landing yourself a block. You are already afoul of many grievous offenses, you are editing disruptively, using Wikipedia for promotional purposes, engaging in COI editing without declaration, and most worrisome is that you are currently and actively still socking. Celestina007 (talk) 09:16, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@Celestina007, no no. I didn't use it for promotion. I have drafted every page I've created. And now I am just reying to have an article on wikipedia just like evry other artists. I have a good number of montlhy listeners and followers. Why am I not eligible to have an article on Wikipedia?

@ForBeingHuman, I just told you above that the subject of your article (apparently per your responses, that is you!!!) isn't notable enough to have a Wikipedia article per WP:GNG & WP:MUSICBIO You can’t have a Wikipedia article “just like every other artist” because Wikipedia isn’t like LinkedIn where anyone can create biographical resumés on themselves. Biographical articles you see here are on notable persons who have passed our notability test & have been created by volunteers not the artists themselves randomly waking up on a Wednesday morning and deciding “it’s a good day to have a biographical Wikipedia article” Look! do you even bother to read my responses? or do I just go straight to report you for being a single purpose promo account? Celestina007 (talk) 09:42, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Hudlag (talk) 08:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Need reviewEdit

Greetings! I recently edited the draft Draft:Danish Siddiqui. I noticed that it was earlier created by a person about themself and it didn't meet the notability standards. I have updated the page with information about a notable person who goes by the same name. Since you last reviewed it, I thought you could have a look at the draft and re-review it. Indianite (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

@Indianite, hello, I think it would be best if you submit it for review as it doesn’t appear you have done so, then wait for a different reviewer to go through it as I currently have my hands full. I’m sorry. Celestina007 (talk) 20:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorry but I did submit it for review on 1 January. User Victor Schmidt invited you to the discussion as well (see) Since there was no update from any other user, I reached out to you.. Indianite (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@Indianite the draft article you linked above as of now is currently not submitted for review or am I missing any cogent point here? If you need quick responses to your answers, my tp unfortunately isn’t the best place for such. For swift assistance or response to your questions you may go straight to the WP:TEAHOUSE I’m afraid I can’t be of help any longer. Celestina007 (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Indianite, The history of the article is very much shady, & with the manner in which you have 'coincidentally' created the article, there’s little possibility any afc reviewer would accept it. Read WP:YFA.Celestina007 (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@Celestina007, I can see why you would say that the article has a shady history. I was somewhat amused when I saw that a person had tried to submit an autobiographical article... But was it wrong for me to use the same name for this draft? It was suggested that I create a separate draft and use a disambiguated title. Guess I'll go ahead with that suggestion Indianite (talk) 21:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@Indianite, that’s the best route to follow. Celestina007 (talk) 21:52, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Open to suggestionEdit

Hi Celestina007

I have resubmitted the article because I believe it meets criteria after I made minor edits to it, I also made a few comparisons to existing articles with similar pages as guides, I am open to suggestion to help review the content of the article to make it better and meet standard, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tundealuko (talkcontribs) 23:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Fixed it up...I thinkEdit

Hey Celestina007 how are you? I came across an article you checked out a while ago and did some touch ups (with the help of a few folks from the teahouse). Would love to hear what you think of it now (I also left some notes about it on the talk page). Here: IronThumb3000 (talk) 14:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


In the middle doing NPP I looked at User talk:Northern Escapee's talk page and noticed you had asked about previous accounts. Ok, so I continue on with my NPP and I find this odd entry on Special:Contributions/Brookefort's contributions page. Odd, I do say. --Whiteguru (talk) 05:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

What are your thoughts on thisEdit

Hello, hope things are well with you. I was wonder what are your thoughts might be about this new article: Isiolo Massacre?

Best wishes from Los Angeles,   // Timothy :: talk  16:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue, hello my friend, I’ve been following the news and it’s really a sad thing going on in America. Now as for what you asked, are you asking about the article being unsourced? If yes, then you may search for sources yourself and include it to the article because It appears to be an encyclopedic article of value. If you asking if it is notable or not, my take would be yes it is. I would go ahead to move the article from Isiolo Massacre to Isiolo massacre as the M ought to be in lower case. Have I answered your question mate or do you have any other peculiar questions? I’m always here to answer them. Celestina007 (talk) 18:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Four years ago I would never have believe this would have happened and it looks like it is going to get worse.
As far as the article goes, I can't find much of anything under the name Isiolo Massacre, other than in the body of one of the soures and an AllAfrica mention, and I'm not sure its actually a proper name. I know this was a violent time and their were massacres, but I am wondering if the name is correct.   // Timothy :: talk  02:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@TimothyBlue, I share your concerns but like you said it appears the AllAfrica source actually has two pieces (this & this) published that specifically references “Isiolo massacre” so I think for now it’s a decent enough title. Celestina007 (talk) 04:55, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


Hello, I am Hud by name, Nigerian and I did not have any other account on Wiki beside this Hudlag, regarding this I never know any person among the contributor to this article.

I created this article due to the fact that, in My State (Kano State) we are almost 20 Million but I don't think we have up-to 10 Wikipedia-contributors that are active as I am now and who will pay for an article of a dead person? but I know the Man contributed a lot during his life time and he even wrote a book about his life called "The Making of a Nigerian Engineer" Published by (Safari Books Ltd) ISBN: Cased 978-978-57696-0-9 Paperback 978-978-57696-1-6.

I have no interest of doing anything that will make my account to be blocked from editing an article on Wiki, because I can say I am the only Contributor from Kano State Nigeria that will dedicated his time on Wikipedia for others to get general information about Kano State because the information on Wikipedia is very poor and I wanted to improve it and I will appreciated if you will be guiding me on writing and editing article with Pictures on wiki

best regards, I really appreciate your effort Celestina007

Hudlag (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Hudlag, This was the message I left on your talkpage & no where in it did I say you were getting paid for the creation of the article & neither did I insinuate that in any which way so I’m surprised you are bringing that up. What I asked you was why at least 12 newly registered accounts had their first edits straight to that article & told you to read both WP:SOCK & WP:MEAT, so like I said I’m not sure why you brought up the issue of paid editing when I clearly never referenced that, or is there something subtle I’m missing here? Celestina007 (talk) 10:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Robert BassmannEdit

I am really trying to figure out why my moving Robert Basmann to the possibly living category was overridden on the very insulting claim that doing so was somehow "incompedtent". It clearly sounds like an insult to me. Beyond this, As best as I can tell none of the sources demonstrate that Bassman has been alive for the last 25 years. Bassmann is 94-years-old. The guidelines for possibly living is over 90 and no sourcing showing them alive in the last 10 years. What am I missing here?John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Actually on further review, the most recent source is 28 years old. There is a source that was gathered in 2015, but it is evidently the primary source for his birth. There is also the website of his most recent employer, but the link there does not work.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:59, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I am really getting annoyed at this. The edit summary used to revert my edit on Gene Barge is really uncalled for as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I do not see how any of those sources show anything recent, but even if they did the edit summary is uncalled for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Stop being an uncivil lout, JPL. If you want to complain about me, I have a talk page that somehow appears to have escaped your attention. Instead, not only are you posting to uninvolved editors' talk pages. trying to drag them in, but you're dishonestly trying to shame me by presenting faked quotes from my edit summaries with misspellings I hadn't made on each talk page you posted to. I can spell "incompetent". Here, it looks like you can't. That's at best ironic, or it would be if it didn't appear deliberate. Bluntly, you don't understand the instructions for the category. It doesn't say "sourcing". It says "documentation". Any documentation that indicates the subject has been alive within the last decade prevents application. It doesn't have to be in the article, or even be related to something notable enough to be in the article. A photo of them at their 75th high school reunion in their local paper would be good enough. It would be time- and effort-wasting to require that editors prove that elderly article subjects have done something noteworthy at an advanced age to prevent them from being classified as only possibly alive. It's also weird and creepy. Of course, in the case of Gene Barge, which you whine about, a source already in the article, the subject's IMDB page, showed multiple credits over the last decade, mostly music writing credits, but also onscreen appearances in news shows and documentaries. You didn't bother to check. You also didn't bother to do a simple Google search. If you had, you would also have found a recent newspaper interview. Few newspapers interview people who aren't definitely living. Face the truth, JPL, your indolent, slipshod editing and searching practices are corrosively damaging to this encyclopedia. You've already been responsible for one of Wikipedia's worst public embarrassments. Your attitude seems to be that you're such a special, privileged editor that those who disagree with you must prove their points and explain them to your satisfaction before altering your work. That's not the case. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 03:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
        • The above is exactly the totally rude and uncalled for attacks that I am talking about. I did not intentionally misspell anything, and bringing it up in that way is exactly the type of rude, uncalled for behavior that is being exhibited here. Then there is the downright character assasination and the false trying to blame me for both starting the category Category:American women novelists and by implication being the one who put Amy Tan and other notable women novelists in this category and not in Category:American novelists. Both of those are outright lies, and that nearly 8 years later people are attacking me for it is an outrage. I see no reason to comment on the talk page of someone who is both so rude and so willing to just insult other people and starts with an extreme assumption of bad faith.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:12, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
@Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, I do agree with Johnpacklambert, that some of the statements or comments you made are borderline rude and are uncalled for, I believe as adults we can be civil when trying to make our points, JPL has been bullied so many times & its really a shame seeing as he is one of the few editors here who is actually putting in work and effort. I do understand your frustrations, but I do believe there are better ways to make your points without that 'tone' as you know we are all volunteers here and to be nice to one another especially long standing editors isn’t too much to ask. I hope you both settle your differences amicably. Celestina007 (talk) 18:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


Happy new year, please help me go through this page and let me know your thought Wofai Fada Amosflash (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Amosflash, the subject of the article (Wofai Fada) simply is not notable, her role in oloture is at best negligible, she wasn’t the lead or supporting actor, Sharon Ooja and Omowunni dada were, she also makes cameos in other movies she has featured in thus far so per WP:NACTOR she doesn’t qualify. She has won no significant award neither has she been nominated for one so per WP:ANYBIO she doesn’t qualify. A general google search shows she doesn’t possess in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources, so per WP:GNG she doesn’t qualify also. I’m afraid she isn’t worthy of a standalone article at the moment. I’m almost tempted to nominate the article for deletion because I don’t see the subject becoming notable in the foreseeable future & incubation at this point in time doesn’t seem feasible because like I said I don’t see her becoming notable anytime soon, however, in other not to discourage you I would move the article back to Draftspace. There are a plethora of deceased notable Nigerian individuals you can choose to write about which are of encyclopedic value, an example of an encyclopedic article would be an article I created named Clifford Orji such articles are of immense value. I’m generally skeptical of articles on actors,musicians, organizations, businessmen, as in such areas it is easy for Indian and Nigerian editors or any editor for that matter irrespective of nationality to perpetuate UPE. I’m going ahead to draftify the article, please when you are done, submit it via the WP:AFC process. Aha!!!! Lest I forget visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria and scroll to the part which says request for uncreated articles which is a list of notable Nigerians who don’t have biographical articles on them & start create articles on them because invariably they are always notable persons, Thank you for understanding. Celestina007 (talk) 21:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Erica NlewedimEdit

Hi Celestina, Thank you for the work you do at Wiki. I started working on the page Erica Nlewedim and noted that you voted to delete the page last year as she did not meet the notability criteria. I have since updated the page with citations and will appreciate a review of status. Erica has a vast portfolio when compared to 2 other Big Brother Naija housemates who have wiki pages. Kindly help review it. Thank you. --Kemmiiii (talk) 01:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kemmiiii, I have rejected your submission. Being famous & notable aren’t the same thing, she is famous but not notable. I also do not appreciate the fact that you are an spa dedicated solely to the subject of your article, you may not use Wikipedia as a means of promotion. Please relay this message to your client/friend or whatever she is to you. Celestina007 (talk) 02:38, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Celestina, I am a fan of hers and consider her notable especially in Nigeria. Kindly read about the Elite League. I will like you to reconsider considering the fact that [[8]] and [[9]] both have viable Wiki pages and she's more notable than them from the same show. Kindly review and reconsider. Thank you. She also meets the WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG criteria --Kemmiiii (talk) 02:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemmiiii (talkcontribs) 02:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
@Kemmiiii, the links you provided aren’t showing any page, who & who exactly are you referring to? Celestina007 (talk) 03:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Laycon 'Olamilekan Moshood Agbeleshe' and Prince Nelson Enwerem Kemmiiii (talk) 03:15, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
@Kemmiiii, the former won the show, the latter was Mr.Nigeria at some point in time so I don’t see how Erica Nlewedim tops that. Celestina007 (talk) 05:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
She was disqualified from the show and was miss photogenic during most beautiful girl in Nigeria 2014. Besides, she has a movie streaming on Netflix which has its own Wiki page. May I point out that Big Brother America Contestants like Diane Henry and Erika Landin both have Wiki pages despite only being known for only big brotherKemmiiii (talk) 07:34, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
@Kemmiiii, I don’t know how else to tell you that fame and notability aren’t one and the same, this Erica individual is simply not not notable enough for Wikipedia. You have had two AFC submissions declined and rejected. I suggest you read WP:GNG, WP:RS, & WP:NACTOR, honestly you are beginning to become a burden. Are you here to carter only to this Erica individual or are you here to build an encyclopedia? If the former is your reason you can let me know now so I’d report your account for being a Single purpose promo only account. Kindly tell your client, seeing as you have numerous images of her I can’t seem to find anywhere on the internet that unfortunately she isn’t notable yet to warrant a Wikipedia biographical article. Hell, even Tacha from last season doesn’t have one, do you see how serious & high our notability threshold is here? You are more likely to get a Twitter and instagram blue check than you are to get an article on Wikipedia, we don’t play here. Celestina007 (talk) 08:47, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses. I guess I’ll continue updating till she’s notable enough. Kemmiiii (talk) 08:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of EMB3RsEdit

Hi Celestina007,

I am writing you regarding the EMB3Rs page you nominated for speedy deletion. I see it was already deleted and would like to kindly ask to retrieve the deleted material for improvement of the page which I would then like to submit for review. As reason for deletion you noted "potential promotion of company, group, product, service, person, or point of view". I understand that this is your concern, but let me assure you that this is not our intention. EMB3Rs is an EU-funded research project. It means that it is funded with tax payer money. So the idea behind a wikipage for this particular research project is to inform the public about how money is spent and what the results/benefits are. Hence, I gladly optimise the page for that purpose until it meets all the wikipedia requirements during the review process.

Thank you for your help and kind regards, Melanie at ESCI (talk) 07:16, 26 January 2021 (UTC)