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If you came here to alert me to DS for post-1932 American Politics (AP2), climate change, BLP, GMO, or anything else included in the WP:Arbitration enforcement log, please be aware that I am PERMANENTLY AWARE - awareness is tattooed on my (_*_) - so there is no need to post another DS alert.

Point to this notice to CYA.
Get your own Ds aware filter here!

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Atsme has been cited or quoted in the following media outlets:
Fast Company, Slate, and the WGBH (FM) podcast during WikiCon2019 at MIT where a few Wikipedians were interviewed. 0:)

Reliance On DS
As a separate issue, anything that relies on DS will fail. The only way forward is for arb com to directly regulate conduct by removing prejudiced editors and admins, either from an area or from WP, not trying to adopt rules about just how disruptive they can be. ~DGG diff

Archives for It Will Soon Pass

Do not disturb. I'm in the middle of important research.

Useful Hodgepodge
PD download links
Following are a few links to freely download CC0 (PD) images:
I'm leaving this link for any editor who may be feeling a little stressed on the job. It has a very calming effect. Relax - enjoy - and once your blood pressure is back where it should be, resume editing.

“Scientific results are always provisional, susceptible to being overturned by some future experiment or observation. Scientists rarely proclaim an absolute truth or absolute certainty. Uncertainty is inevitable at the frontiers of knowledge.” ~ National Geographic Magazine

Atsme's contribution to science:
Life is all about having fun so if you're not living, you're not having any fun.Atsme Talk 📧

The most useful used skill I've discovered for Alexa - Alexa, call me.
Now, if I can only get it to work with my keys.

Autocorrect has become my worst enema.

On a sign at a restaurant in Texas:
Treat your Mom to a Margarita! You're probably the reason she drinks.

Research reveals that people who drink heavily are much more likely to experience retrospective memory loss.
Isn't that why we drink?

I can fix stupid, but it's gonna hurt.

I have never faked a sarcasm in my life!

I’m not insulting you, I’m describing you.

I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.
(attributed to Mark Twain, but could have been Grant Allen)

Atsme is not just a writer, she's award winning...she won a place in the psycho ward.

RfA candidate S O N S% Ending (UTC) Time left Dups? Report
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No RfXs since 18:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC).—cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online

Hodgepodge Central
Check the Label
Make sure your Viagra prescription says Made In the USA
You don't want Russia meddling in your erections.
The Remodel
Shortly after a complete remodel of the master bathroom, a sign hung on the door:
'I am busy masterbathing in my new tub.
The Wisest Man Who Ever Lived
Dr. Rick Rigsby’s commencement address. I hope you will listen to it.
When You're Dead
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. All the pain is felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid.
How Do I Know?
I don’t know how much I don’t know because there’s no way to gage how much I don’t know when I don’t know what it is I don’t know, so stop telling me I should've known.
There has to be some merit to “ignorance is bliss" Atsme✍🏻📧
People who confuse the words "burro" and "burrow" don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
And then comes the time when you finally realize that you don't know shit. yes
Snake in the Bullpen
"I come from an environment where, if you see a snake, you kill it. At GM, if you see a snake, the first thing you do is go hire a consultant on snakes. Then you get a committee on snakes, and then you discuss it for a couple of years. The most likely course of action is -- nothing. You figure, the snake hasn't bitten anybody yet, so you just let him crawl around on the factory floor. We need to build an environment where the first guy who sees the snake kills it." ~Ross Perot
Terms We Use
We need to rethink some of the terms we use in the English language. yes
JB's 5-Step Protocol
Awaken with JB, episode #88, he is woke.

You Look Like Rookies
"I'm sorry, but you two appear to be:

treating each other civilly accepting the possibility that your own actions might not have been correct trying to work out the best thing to do for the project without concern for you[r] own egos. I don't know where you people think you are, but you definitely don't understand how WP:AN is supposed to work. Where's the disrespect? The attacking of each other's characters and motives? The entertaining temper tantrums? Please immediately review other threads on this noticeboard, so you can better participate in WP:AN. Right now you look like rookies.

I don't do AFD, so I have no opinion on whether to relist or not (couldn't hurt, tho, right?), but that's a good example of what should be going on here; useless babble without any helpful outcome. --barneca (talk) 9:57 pm, 16 September 2008, Tuesday (10 years, 8 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−5)[1]

Carrots may be good for your eyes, but booze will double your vision.

To say it in WikiVoice, or not??
While this list of sources is really good and does establish "commonly used by reliable sources" I think we should additionally ask ourselves - what added benefit is there to Wikipedia saying it "in our own voice" as against simply reporting in a neutral manner that it is common for his comments to be described as racist.

As of this moment, we are engaging in what I think is admirable short-term restraint. We say in the lede "He has a history of making controversial [weasel words] comments." That's fine as far as it goes, because 'controversial comments' is true, and is neither positive nor negative as an evaluation. Sometimes controversial comments are good, sometimes they are bad. Fine. But we are at the same time here being too cautious, I think, in that we fail to inform the reader as to why the comments are controversial. Is he saying things that might be controversial in Iowa like "Gay marriage should be legal" or "Marijuana prohibition has done more harm than good"? No, actually. So I think we should cautiously say something like "He has a history of making comments that have commonly been referred to as racist.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]" Well, maybe 9 footnotes is excessive, but you see my point. We have more than enough to make the point that the reader needs to know, and I think the point is stronger than if we simply say, in our own voice, that he has a history of making racist comments. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 9:57 am, 19 June 2018, Tuesday (19 days ago) (UTC−5)

To include it in a BLP, or not??

BLPs wherein a subject's work, beliefs or ideologies are perhaps more controversial than the actual subject, should not become focused on bolstering and subsequently refuting the subject's views or theories rather than actually defining the subject. In many cases this may in fact be due to the subject trying to push their own ideas, while others work diligently to refute them, but many such cases involve editors who have no affiliation with the subject other than a personal belief/disbelief in their work. A person's biography is not a good place to debate scientific theory or ideological beliefs; such debates belong in the articles that focus on those topics. For BLPs, it is enough to simply state what their views are and link to the articles which expand on those views.
(quote by Zaereth edited for brevity; Jimbo Wales agreed with Zaereth’s explanation.)

Politics, presidents and NPOV

I'd like to add that I don't mind a little bit of personal chit-chat here about politics, I'd like to always seek to tie it back to Wikipedia. We have chosen a very tough job: NPOV. Dislike for the President, fear about things that are happening in the world, may make it emotionally harder to remain neutral, but remain neutral we must. I happen to personally think that given the decline in quality of the media across the board (there are still fantastic journalists out there, but overall the landscape isn't great) the best way for us to help the world heal is neutrality.--[2] Jimbo Wales (talk)] 3:12 pm, 8 January 2019, Tuesday (UTC−6)

Writing for the opponent

"Writing for the opponent is an important trait of good editors. They must be able to divorce themselves from their own POV so much that they can bend over backwards to aid in the writing of content which documents views they do not like. They must never block the inclusion of content which opposes their own POV or political positions. If they cannot do this, they should recuse themselves from the topic and edit in other areas. Editors who are unwilling or unable to write for the opponent are incapable of truly understanding or abiding by the NPOV policy. As such they will always cause problems." (see WP:NPOV means neutral editors, not neutral content)

Free thought isn't free anymore

“I have no beef with my colleagues, many of whom I admire and are friends,” Sullivan tweeted. “The underlying reasons for the split are pretty self-evident.” But he expressed solidarity with Weiss: “The mob bullied and harassed a young woman for thoughtcrimes. And her editors stood by and watched.”
(Excerpt from The New York Times)

What Am I Doing Here...

Did you ever stop to consider that being equal may hold you back?

Do you want to make money from Wikipedia? It's easy! Log out and go to work!

For a lesson in the proper English application of the F-word see: this video

Is "group think" the academic version of "mob mentality"? Conformity!

Wikipedia: where anyone can edit and enjoy the benefits of income equality.

Pile-ons can be painful and unattractive, especially at noticeboards.

At the end of every rainbow is a capitalist with a pot of gold.

Back in my day, when athletes took a knee, they took a knee.
RfA archives

Sharing health tips with a friend:

  • For better digestion, I drink beer.
  • For appetite loss, I drink white wine.
  • If my blood pressure is too low, I drink red wine.
  • For high blood pressure, I drink scotch.
  • When I have a cold, I drink schnapps.”
My friend asked, “When do you drink water?”
I replied, “I’ve never been that sick.”
My medical entrance exam:

When I was young, I decided to enroll in medical school.
On the entrance exam, we were asked to unscramble the letters...


...to form the name of an important human body part that is most useful when erect.

The students who answered SPINE are doctors today, and the rest of us are editing Wikipedia.
Four Worms
Four worms were placed in 4 separate test tubes:
  • 1st in beer
  • 2nd in wine
  • 3rd in whiskey
  • 4th in mineral water

The next day, the teacher shows the results:

  • The 1st worm in beer - dead.
  • The 2nd in wine - dead.
  • The 3rd in whiskey - dead.
  • The 4th in mineral water - alive and in good health.

The teacher asks the class:

  • What did you learn from this experience?

A student responds:

  • Whoever drinks beer, wine and whiskey does not have worms.
Wait! There’s more!

  • I know a guy who's addicted to brake fluid. He says he can stop any time.
  • I stayed up all night to see where the sun went. Then it dawned on me.
  • This girl said she recognized me from the vegetarian club, but I'd never met herbivore.
Atsme's Education
I was educated at MIT, then went to Harvard. After that, things got fishy.

If only...

  • ...sarcasm burned calories.
  • ...you knew, you would know.
  • ...closed minds came with closed mouths.
  • ...mosquitos sucked fat instead of blood.
  • ...the good died young, we'd be here forever.
  • ...my teeth were as white as my legs.
  • ...more people were fluent in silence.

When A Grizzly Attacks
Hiker to park ranger, "Ranger, how does one survive a bear attack?"

Ranger replies, Easy...remove the "f" from the word "way".

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Hiker responds, "There's no "f" in "way".

Ranger replies, "Exactly."

Thought Grenades...

  • It is much easier to ride a horse in the direction it is going. ~Abraham Lincoln
  • It gets late early out there. ~Yogi Bera
  • There comes a time on Wikipedia when it's important to know when to stop arguing with editors, and simply let them be wrong. Atsme📞📧
  • Nodding the head does not row the boat. — Irish Proverb
  • Make haste slowly. —Kikkoman
  • Be who you are, say what you mean, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. — Bernard Baruch
  • Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." —Randy Pausch
  • I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. ~ Blaise Pascal
  • Patience is a virtue. Give karma a chance.
  • I may not be young enough to know everything, but I'm old enough to not believe everything.
  • A tip for longevity: Never believe the impossible can't happen to you.
  • “It is well known that human choices are affected by the way in which a question is phrased.” ~ Benedetto de Martino

Dear Karma,
I have a list of people you missed.

Don't sweat it!
Karma's only a bitch if you're one first.

Who punched the spike?Edit

Traffic stats

How Woke Are We?Edit

”The encyclopedia’s reliance on outside sources, primarily newspapers, means it will be only as diverse as the rest of the media—which is to say, not very.” [1]

  • Re: the above Bloomberg article, "not very" is quite accurate, but I remain cautiously optimistic that once RECENTISM dies down, things will greatly improve.

"Since decisions are by those who participate in a localized discussion, leaving cedes the decision-making power to those willing to engage in the least logical and sane response. This incentivizes not just obsessive but also belligerent behavior and even harassment, and empowers those privileged with the time and resources to engage in this behavior. Minor quibbles about grammar is one thing, but these techniques are frequently used by political ideologues, ethnic nationalists, and conspiracy theorists. Professor Bryce Peake called this the “hegemony of the asshole consensus.” [2]

  • No need to elaborate further on that particular quote. Some will be able to relate, whereas others will find it insulting. For more info, see Wikipedia @ 20. You may decide to submit your own essay. Atsme Talk 📧 14:03, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Putting things in perspectiveEdit

I was reading Wikipedia:FRAMBAN in an attempt to improve my understanding of what happened. Lo and behold, nestled quietly in one of the comments was a wikilink to the essay, Wikipedia:Wikipedia does not need you. The following paragraph drew my undivided attention:

Should it happen that a cabal of admins, operating on the talk page of an article or the lion's den of AN/I, manage to block you on an invented charge, the world will continue to turn. The grass will grow, the birds will lay eggs, the number of Pokémon-related articles will still double every 1.7 weeks, and articles on weathermen will be brought to AfD. Sure, it won't be done as smoothly and as elegantly as when you did it, but it will be done. This encyclopedic project will continue to turn. Sad, but true.

Atsme Talk 📧 05:47, November 30, 2019

Darn it. Is nothing sacred?? ... and have we got nooooooos for you!!Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Are you a robot?". Bloomberg. 2016-12-22. Retrieved 2019-11-23. Cite uses generic title (help)
  2. ^ Fernandez, Robert (2019-06-02). "The Limits of Volunteerism and the Gatekeepers of Team Encarta · Wikipedia @ 20". Wikipedia @ 20. Retrieved 2019-11-23.

Life's lessons supported by empiracle evidence.

While we're still on the topic of age and biologyEdit

If you are a (talk page watcher) and happen to be a paleontologist, anthropologist, scientist, or have an interest in microscopic organisms, evolution or are just plain curious about ostracods - and of course, I cannot forget our humorists - you have gotta see this article: "100-million-year-old giant sperm trapped in amber is world's oldest". Atsme Talk 📧 18:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Robert H. BoyleEdit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Robert H. Boyle you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria.   This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Robert H. BoyleEdit

The article Robert H. Boyle you nominated as a good article has passed  ; see Talk:Robert H. Boyle for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations! BD2412 T 14:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

A questionEdit

Editors who are elected to serve on ArbCom possess certain qualities that have garnered the community's trust, in part because they have demonstrated sound judgment, fairness and neutrality. Are you absolutely sure about that? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Kudz, all I can say:

Atsme Talk 📧 23:14, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

A Life On Our PlanetEdit

My former role as an executive producer, etc. was more like David Attenborough Lite - I'm nowhere near his age (93yo) and I worked behind the camera, focused more on the US & the underwater world, but there is still a lot I can relate to in his adventures, and the educational element in his films; i.e., I call it didatic entertainment. I just watched his Netflix special - David Attenborough: "A Life On Our Planet" - trailer here - and was inspired to recommend it to my (talk page watcher). Atsme Talk 📧 18:08, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

WTF? You're nowhere near as young as he is?[hyperbole] --Tryptofish (talk) 19:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
😂 Ok, it could be what you said...depending on one's perspective, pessimist or optimist, which then brings up either   , or so what?" Atsme Talk 📧 20:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I noticed you've been less active lately. I hope everything is alright. In these crazy times, I want you to know I'm very glad that we're on the same team. Cheers! BD2412 T 00:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for checking on me - I'm staying healthy. I just finished one Netflix marathon and started another - Schitts Creek. 😂 I've been making a few random comments here and there but mostly taking a break to recharge my batteries. I was very disappointed in the process of rating sources at RS/P and RS/N, got fed up with identity politics, and became frustrated over the list of fatal dog attacks because it is one policy vio after another. I needed to get away from it for a while and clear my head. Hope you're doing well, and getting through unscathed with all the sticky stuff you have to deal with as an admin. Be safe in RL, too!! Atsme Talk 📧 00:41, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Glad you're well (and taking it easy). I am pretending not to be an admin for a while, for much the same reasons as you're watching Schitt's Creek. BD2412 T 18:19, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
This is what it's like to be up Schitts Creek without a paddle...and with the most appropriate section title. 😂 Atsme Talk 📧 19:52, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

What would we do without it?Edit

Photography, that is...Small World Photo Awards. I was thinking maybe some of our WP editors who may be interested in hippocampal neurons would like to see them, but then, the images are so fascinating, I wanted to share them with my (talk page watcher)s.

Oh, and speaking of brains, I highly recommend The Social Dilemma. I've seen it twice now, and it validates so much of what I've tried to communicate over the past few years regarding our approach to opinion journalism, speculation, conspiracy theories, and media bias. My May 2020 Signpost Op-ed addressed some of it. Marketing 101 is still at the heart of it but with highly advanced tech solutions to marketing that involve shady manipulation and mind-altering techniques (subliminal data mining that produces the sought-after demographics). It also validates my concerns over the flawed rating system at RS/P (an unvetted, conflicting supplement to our RS guideline) that so many editors are taking far too seriously when they should be considering the actual RS guidelines, context on a case by case basis, NPOV and V policies. When did we start accepting essays & unvetted supplements over our long standing, tried & true PAGs? And I'm just as guilty as the next guy. Essays are fun to read, and a high percentage are truly helpful, but we should not blindly accept essays/supplements at face value, and certainly not in lieu of our PAGs. Atsme 💬 📧 18:02, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Jimbo's talk pageEdit

Good writing. Seems to befit a journalist who has to put out quality work under a deadline. Bob K31416 (talk) 22:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Bob K31416 - I added a bit more information relative to choosing RS, and now I'm moving on to enjoy another hobby that is far less stressful and brings a great deal more fun into my life while I'm still mentally & physically able to enjoy paradise. 🏝😎🍹🤿 📸 Atsme 💬 📧 12:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


The best response to an internet troll is usually no response. Don't feed the trolls--MONGO (talk) 06:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Hunter BidenEdit

Hey, Atsme, I wonder if you'd consider rewording 'your false allegations...and btw, they're adding up' in pursuit of trying to raise the level of discussion at that page? Please realize I'm not saying this rises to the level of personal attack. I don't believe it does. I'm literally only trying to just thread the needle here, and trying to do it fairly is requiring me to reach for my 2.75 cheaters. —valereee (talk) 14:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Valereee - looking at the edit history, I can see that he reworded his comment and removed another while I was still editing mine. I would not have known if you hadn't advised me, so thank you. I went ahead and removed it per your request.
Adding: His unsupported aspersion: Your consistent disagreement with consensus on source reliability notwithstanding..., is a false allegation and undeserved criticism that attacks my character as a responsible editor. It's a dig at me, and it needs to be addressed because I've learned from my past experiences that he can be relentless. Valereee, his aspersions actually do cause harm to editors because those diffs are used in a fabricated demonstration of "long term patterns", all taken out of context. For example, the included diff will be the actual aspersion, not actual evidence of the behavior. It's gaming via out of context diffs and the omission of substantive evidence. Also see WP:POV railroad. Atsme 💬 📧 15:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Hm. I'm not sure I agree it's a dig. Let me ponder on it a while, but at first glance, in context, that wording struck me as a fairly neutral and not-uncivil statement of long-term disagreement in how a particular policy is interpreted rather than as a casting of aspersions. I'll try to watch for bludgeoning. —valereee (talk) 15:57, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I spewed my drink!!Edit

Too, too funny!!!! Atsme 💬 📧 19:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

OMG, those are great! —valereee (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)