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I would like to request a "Sibling" or "Other relative" entry. For example, The late Georg Ratzinger, brother of emeritusPope Benedict XVI, has no appropriate entry for his association with his brother.
Potentially an entry like "other_relative; other_relative_type", "other_relative1; other_relative_type1", etc, to allow multiple miscellaneous relationships. –Zfish118⋉talk 15:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 1 November 2020Edit
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The default colour of the infobox should change to #AB274F instead of the current one #DFB0DF.
Reasons for this are mentioned in Purple#Piety, faith, penitence, and theology. Namely, the colour currently used by bishops is amaranth as decreed by Pope Paul II in 1464, well before the Protestant reformation. So this colour is common for both Catholics and Protestants. Since this was the main reason to use pink colour in the infobox, I think it should be improved to reflect this historical fact correctly. --Governor Sheng (talk) 04:31, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
The problem with using the deeper purple color is readability. While I think there probably should be a discussion about standardizing colors across Christianity-related templates, using #AB274F would not comply with MOS:CONTRAST, so for now, I'll have to decline the edit request. Ergo Sum 04:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
How about a lighter shade of that colour? #D54974? --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Bishop Example #AB274F (Makes letters automatically white, so obviously there's a contrast problem; blue letters are impossible to read)
I agree AB274F has issues with contrast, but what do you think about D54974? --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Eastern or Oriental Orthodox clergy do not use any colour for their bishops. Catholics, Anglicans, and some Protestant denominations use purple. --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone respond to this suggestion? --Governor Sheng (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
I used the infobox' sandbox, and found that D54974 is too dark. E387A3 works fine. @Ergo Sum:, what do you think? --Governor Sheng (talk) 14:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@Governor Sheng: I think #E387A3 works. I'll go ahead and make the change.Ergo Sum 19:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
When I check the contrast ratio between #E387A3 and #000000, I get a ratio of 8.26:1, which passes the minimum contrast ratio requirement. Can you confirm this? Also, what do you think of E798AE (5% lighter than #E387A3)? It appears somewhat closer to pink than plum but also comes with a higher contrast ratio (9.5:1) and seems easier to read (to my eye at least). Ergo Sum 19:47, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I get the same results. I would agree with your assesement. E798AE is a better choice. --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
And now undone, since a lack of consensus emerged after the above discussion was completed. I recommend doing your own testing in the sandbox and using the testcases page, then reinstating an edit request when things are settled. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
This is awful! Please restore to the previous colours. Grey for priest, purple for bishops, red for cardinals. They were readable and accurate, and were clearly different. To me, comparing Archbishop Justin Welby and Cardinal Angelo Sodano, bishop and cardinal are now much too similar. (@DBD: you might be interested). We shouldn't be choosing colours based on a decree from 1464... Gaia Octavia AgrippaTalk 14:38, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
colour differention (in 2008)
Oho! We're back on this, are we? Here's some background reading from the archives, please everyone read up: 201620182020 (Always worthing checking the archives!)
I think the most relevant guideline here is MOS:COLOUR: if we use colours, we must have regard for accessibility. Beyond that, there's a long-established consensus (pastels corresponding to deacon/priest black, bishop violet, cardinal scarlet, pope gold); but consensus can, of course, change.
I agree that currently the violet and the scarlet are nigh-indistinguishable. Using this tool would suggest: black #E8E8E8 , violet #FFE0F0 , scarlet #FFE2E2 and gold #F1F100 . (But then I wonder whether these actually become too pale to be worth bothering with at all!)
I have to agree with the need to clearly distinguish bishops and cardinals. The status quo ante did that well, and if there's no viable alternative, it should remain. The pale colors above are truly awful; I wouldn't endorse those. Ergo Sum 18:17, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we can go back to the status quo ante — it clearly violates Wiki guidelines. Honestly, I like our colour scheme, but I don't think it's more important than visual accessibility. Also, at an admittedly quick look, there are no other implementations of Infobox person which vary their own header colour. If we want splashes of colour, even varying colours, perhaps a dark-backed line above? (see right)
@DBD: What makes you say they violate guidelines? I don't see a violation. Just to be clear, I'm talking about the current template colors (prior to any change resulting from this discussion). Ergo Sum 17:53, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@Ergo Sum:MOS:COLOUR: "Articles (and other pages) that use color should keep accessibility in mind, as follows: ... Some readers of Wikipedia are partially or fully color-blind or visually impaired. Ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0's AA level, and AAA level when feasible..."
Using Snook's tool (text is black, unvisited links are #0645AD and visited links are #0B0080):
Actually... that's gone pretty well! Playing with that tool, apart from grey, it's not possible to make these shades pale enough to AAA contrast with blue links. Maybe we can decide that we've fulfilled the MOS advice because the contrast is "AA level, and AAA level when feasible..."? DBD 13:33, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm seeing a contrast ratio of between 11 and 15, well above the required 4.5. Ergo Sum 19:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Here it says that the episcopal color is amaranth. Alteia is a reliable source, so I think we can rely on it. This is the color – . According to the same source, we can use #FF2400 (scarlet) for cardinals. Example --Governor Sheng (talk) 23:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm quite happy with the 'bars' version (being my own design!); but in my most recent comment, I think I came 'round to the status quo being quite acceptable. If we do reach a consensus for the bars design, I wouldn't like to use the exact shades of amaranth and scarlet Sheng suggests because to my eye they aren't quite distinct enough. Also, I would prefer not to rely too heavily on one denomination's particular practices; and I'm sure no clerical outfitters anywhere are ensuring their episcopal vestments match a precise pantone ;) DBD 11:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)