Talk:United States presidential pets

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Lead needs expansionEdit

I was tempted to add the {{expand lead}} tag, but am generally averse to adding tags. As a sort of a beginning draft, I suggest something like:

Ever since the first president, George Washington, dogs have been common companions for presidents and first families. The first documented presidential cat belonged to Abraham Lincoln, and they have been common White House pets ever since. Other common pets include a variety of birds and rodents. An unusual number of strange or exotic animals have sometimes resided at the White House or its environs, from alligators to a wombat.

It should go on to mention farm or working animals treated as pets, since there are a number of horses, cows, goats, etc. Also, there are quite a few "gifts" from foreign royalty or heads of state that could be mentioned. -- Comments or suggestions? — (talk) 05:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

You may want to read WP:LEAD if you're not already familiar with it. The lead summarizes the main points of the article. I do think we could use more material beyond the list that makes up most of the article now. Ideally this should come from sources. Kendall-K1 (talk) 06:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps what I had in mind would be WP:SYNTH but the lead should summarize content from the article; however, in this case the "article" is a list.
...Do common-sense "facts" such as alligators being "strange" as a pet, or a wombat being "exotic" need to be verified with sources? Or that dogs & cats are common presidential pets? At any rate, the article could use some more prose; the dog section is fine, but there is plenty of other informative and interesting info that could be derived from the list -- just saying. (talk) 07:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned about SYNTH and OR but this seems non-controversial and you're right that we need more prose. Try not to violate the BLP policy (Biographies of Living Pets). Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:26, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Here's a relevant quote that could be added (posting here for convenience): "Any man who does not like dogs and want them about does not deserve to be in the White House." —Calvin Coolidge, "Quotations – D". Calvin Coolidge Presidential Foundation. (talk) 19:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I've been adding tidbits w/sources; most of which can be converted to prose (then removed from list). I intend to expand prose, but if somebody want to start this, then please do! (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Cleanup tagEdit

@Lihaas: We discussed the issue of dogs that were not pets during the time their owners were in the White House; see Talk:United States presidential pets/Archive 1#suggest clarification/revision. At that time the consensus was to include pets like Checkers who had played a part in the campaign. Which pets in particular do you think should be removed? Kendall-K1 (talk) 03:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I've removed a few, but don't have the patience to go through the entire list (using various IPs, but not the following). —2606:A000:1126:28D:8C4E:82EB:DC21:4BB8 (talk) 05:39, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Petless TrumpEdit

When was the last time, if ever, that the US has had a petless president?--Pharos (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

We had that in the article at one time but it got removed. I don't remember why, probably considered too trivial. Kendall-K1 (talk) 01:36, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Someone has added Marlon Bundo to Trump's list, but I'm not sure if this is appropriate considering the bunny is the vice president's pet, not Trump's. EverybodyEdits (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I would remove that Carlinmack (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and do it. It doesn't seem like it fits the list as the bunny is technically not a "presidential pet." EverybodyEdits (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Presidential Pet MuseumEdit

I've had to remove and/or modified some entries sourced to Presidential Pet Museum due to conflicting information from authoritative sources (presidential libraries, White House Historical Association, Smithsonian archives, etc.). Also beware of circular sourcing. See, for example:

PPM as a source should be supported with other sources whenever possible; personally I think that the museum is semi-WP:RELIABLE, since they make an effort to update information and correct misinformation. As with many sources on the subject, publishing "fun facts" seems to outweigh due diligence for accuracy. — (talk) 17:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Consensus neededEdit

Consensus needed for a couple of changes I recommend: Changing explanatory footnotes from ref group 'nb' to {{efn}} format. & Change ref group name 'ps' to 'key', and adding Key below table where these refs go. Comments? Suggestions? — (talk) 23:22, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

  Done -- Since there were no objections. [OP]:2606:A000:1126:28D:6449:95F7:2967:6C9C (talk) 21:09, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
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