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"Punk" or "Punk Rock"?Edit

I have never seen the term "Punk Rock" used in the punk subculture in the 1980ies and 1990ies, neither in a conversation, nor in fanzines or books. Case in point is this article in the Encyclopedia Britannica by John Savage, who should know a thing or two about punk.

The first time I became aware of the term "punk rock" was as a derogatory reference to mainstream bands like Green Day and Blink-123 that were not considered in any way related to a punk lifestyle. At least that is the situation in Europe (including the UK). As the article states, the term "punk rock" was a label attached by "rock critics" (i.e. outsiders), so I think that the term used by the people within that specific subculture should take preference.

I am curious what the process is for suggesting renaming an article, which wikipedia guidelines are relevant here, so that I figure out how to contribute to that. (talk) 07:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Its a US/UK thing. Far as I know, Americans distinguish because the term "punk" was already in use and well known by the '50s, basically as a somebody that was low down, untrustworthy and delinquent. Ceoil (talk) 23:51, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Its specifically an American thing. And adding rock to the end I'm quite sure probably originated in California and or the South U.S South West. They like to add on Rock to everything. It was never called Punk Rock anywhere else. Even in Canada, which shared the early scene. It was called Punk.Starbwoy (talk) 18:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
The Cambridge dictionaries say that "punk" means the people who listen to the genre, whereas "punk rock" is the genre in and in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, "punk" in terms of music is simply cited as a synonym for punk rock and doesn't have its own definition in, Issan Sumisu (talk) 19:09, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
To some extent it's a disambiguation thing - the word "punk" has many meanings. As a Brit, I have absolutely no problem with the use of "punk rock" as the title of this article, and would oppose any change. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC).
As I recall from 1976-1977 the term 'punk rock' was in fairly widespread use in the UK alongside 'punk'. (Insistence on 'punk' is a later phenomenon common among people who want to be purist or hardcore.) I would note, however, that the use of the term 'punk' over a number of years before 1976 (and in the US since) obscures the radical difference between what Patty Smith & co. were up to (infected with a dismaying wish to be 'Bohemian') and what the Sex Pistols et al. were doing. (The Ramones, to give them their credit, weren't would-be Bohemians; they were lovable Muppets.) Despite the fact that the word was in use before 1976 to describe musical genres, 'Punk' started with the Sex Pistols, and all the rest is literature (or 'new wave'). Acorrector (talk) 15:23, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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