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RenameEdit

  Resolved: Article was renamed to List of cats, and has stayed that way for several years.

I plan to remove the word "historical" from the article name. See Talk:List_of_historical_animals for further discussion. Jay 08:39, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I moved from List of cats to List of notable cats instead of List of famous cats just because the last was not allowed for the title move. I still feel the moved title is not good since it still can misgive that the notable cats contains fictional cats, and cat animation characters. So I'm opening this discussion for any possible change of the title.--Caspian blue 12:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The relevant naming guideline is at WP:LISTNAME, and the text reads: ". . . "notable" is assumed, and that word (or similar subjective words such as "famous," "noted," "prominent," etc.) should not be included in the title of a list article." Any distinction between actual and fictional should be spelled out in the introduction to the list, as it is in this article, and as it is in List of dogs, along with many, many others, all done the same way.
I would be fine with List of historical cats as an alternative; this is similar treatment to List of historical horses. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. If you had left with WP:STAND instead of WP:NC, I would have not wondered for a while. I do not think List of cats is the accurate the title for the article even though there are similar list articles. I think List of historical cats is way better than this article, though the new proposed name also sounds awkward.--Caspian blue 17:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Just passing by. I too agree with a name change similar to the above, or List of popular cats, with WP:NOTABILITY very strictly followed. Regards to all. Rehman (talk) 10:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
How exactly was the consensus to rename it List of cats? It seems like the overwhelming opinion was that was way too vague (and it is way too vague). I'm going to move it to List of popular cats unless anyone has any objections   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Editing problemEdit

  Resolved: PEBKAC.

I've tried everything I can think of, but the Bill Clinton link in the article just won't turn into a link! The same string pasted in here or the sandbox works fine, but not in the article. Ortolan88 06:14, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It was a missing "]" in the URL on the preceding line that was the culprit. - Nunh-huh 06:20, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Dog and cat article structuringEdit

  FYI: Just a pointer.

To whom it may concern: Please feel free to visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds/Categories because I think that structuring Cat articles and Dog articles could take a similar tack--would be nice to use same subcategories for consistency. Elf | Talk 04:11, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

WP:LISTCRUFTEdit

  Resolved: List cleaned up; requires regular maintenance, however.

I have a complaint. This list strikes me as way too long. Most of these cats are not famous in their own right, but a few are. It's difficult to find the actual historical cats among the "hey this person owned a cat named (blank)" entries.--T. Anthony 02:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I see your point and I also agree with Elf. I will work to structure this article like List of historical dogs. Grika 13:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Done. I also changed the sub sections to double linefeeds to shorten the TOC while maintaining differentiation. Grika 16:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I personally would say this page deserves nomination for deletion.

How is a cat defined as notable? There are hundreds if not thousands of 'notable cats'. Some of the sections, especially the one at the bottom for cats with no name just list celebrities with pet cats.. ! Barely any of it has citation, and most of it could quite easily be made up,

It is not particularly encyclopedic, nor remotely useful. If nobody replies here, I may nominate for deletion Dvmedis (talk) 06:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Further to this, I have tagged the article so people can come to the talk page to discuss Dvmedis (talk) 07:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd object to deletion, based on most of the contents of Category:Lists of historical animals, and a few of the items in Category:Lists of trees, which are highly comparable (in scope and intent and sourcing)
Regarding whether it is "encyclopedic"; one of the main sources is - Cat World: A Feline Encyclopedia by Desmond Morris; Penguin Books, New York 1997. However, some of the other sources should be improved/clarified.
Regarding whether it is "useful", that is a subjective value, that you can only decide for yourself. It's getting 300-400 hits/day, so hopefully some of those people are finding it "useful". I just found this list today, and have found it a useful navigational tool leading to many interesting articles. -- Quiddity (talk) 04:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
In that case, I would at least recommend we delete the whole list of unnamed cats - There isn't a single citation and they are neither notable nor particularly interesting. Examples: Stanley Kubrick was extremely fond of the numerous cats he kept in his home., Henri Matisse's black cat., Robert de Niro has had several cats. etc.. I also propose we seriously trim famous pets of other famous people. IMHO they should only be in the list if the cat is notable for any particular reason. Inappropriate examples IMHO: Teeny, belonging to Martha Stewart., Cheeses, belonging to Jay Leno., Domino, belonging to Emma Watson. If we really want to start listing all cats owned by celebrities, then where does it stop? Reality TV stars? Actors with bit-parts in major movies? The list could rack up to becoming endless. Lastly thought experiment cats; one example and it doesn't 'fit in' with the rest of the article - not least because the cat never existed. Dvmedis (talk) 03:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Much better suggestions :) I agree with all of that.
Do note that a few of the "famous people's cats" are mentioned/highlighted within the person's biography, eg "Norton, Scottish fold tabby belonging to Peter Gethers". It might be worth checking some of the items more carefully than others. -- Quiddity (talk) 05:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

This article seems to me to be a laundry list. Please feel free to tell me if my opinion is wrong. Usb10 Let's talk 'bout it! 22:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you, but I have no doubts the article would easily survive AFD. Kansan (talk) 16:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

RestructuringEdit

  Resolved: Old news; list was not actually structured this way.

I personally think that the current arrangement can create some confusion. Catarina could be counted as famous in her own right as being the inspiration for The Black Cat, Anne Frank's cats might qualify based on their appearance in her book, and others could be seen as crossing-over the two lists as well. Would you all be willing to have this changed to one single list of named cats, and one other list of unnamed cats? I welcome any response. Badbilltucker 01:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Are the unnamed cats really unnamed? Or are that cat's with UNKNOWN names? 198.28.92.5 14:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Unreliable source?Edit

Unsinkable Sam, reference: website. Website says: Source: "History". No comment. --Polarlys 13:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Got a point there. I'm adding the names from that list, and then going on to other lists. Also note that the creator of the website did apparently go through some effort to try to verify those marked with either a c or an r, so I think it probably qualifies as at least nominally reliable. But, as stated, I will search for additional, more specific, references, as soon as I see that they are all included. Badbilltucker 15:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Too many fictional cats mixed in hereEdit

  Resolved: Just do it, and check page regularly for needed maintenance.

This is a list of historical cats which i take to mean cats that actually lived. Therefore fictional cats should be deleted or moved to another list.LiPollis 07:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Just delete them. I removed Morris the Cat only just now. This list should be policed and pruned. It does not require discussion, per WP:BOLD and WP:V - matters of policy - to clean this list up, it only requires action to simply do it. The fictional ones belong in List of fictional cats. People are going to keep adding them, because of the ambiguous List of cats title, so watchlist it and clean it up regularly. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 14:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Specific list entriesEdit

Chopin's catEdit

  Resolved: Removed as unsourced.

I removed Frédéric Chopin's cat who partially inspired Valse Brilliante by jumping on his keyboard while he was composing it. I cannot find a reliable reference for this. References I have found state vaguely that "it has been reported" and "one book states" that a "Cat Waltz" (I think they are possibly referring to Op. 34 No. 3, but it isn't clear) was inspired by feline antics on the keyboard. I would like to be convinced that such an unlikely story might be true. Is there a confusion here with Domenico Scarlatti's sonata K. 30 which has become known as the "Cat fugue" for apocryphal reasons? Please find a reliable reference before re-inserting Chopin's cat. --RobertGtalk 09:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Anne Frank's catsEdit

  Resolved: WP:AFD deleted the article, as the cats were found non-notable.

This article has been AfDed and I wondered whether some input from those swho have worked on the historical cats list would be useful. Some on the AfD are claiming that Anne Frank is only "semi-famous"!! Robertsteadman 08:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The AfD was on-target; it's absurd to have an article about someone's cats just because the person is famous. Since they are known to an extent, due to her writings, they should be in the "cats of famous people" section here, but they're clearly not notable or famous in their own right. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 14:49, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Cat with an executive MBAEdit

  Resolved: Added.

I don't know if this is worth adding, but Colby Nolanis "a housecat who was awarded an MBA degree in 2004 by Trinity Southern University, a Texas-based diploma mill, sparking a fraud lawsuit by the Pennsylvania attorney general's office." Also, could we make "List of famous cats" redirect here? It took me a while to find the page. (I would do these things myself, but I don't know Wikipedia's policies) Korin43 04:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I created the redirect. Colby Nolan is appropriate, go ahead and add it. Grika 17:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Schrödinger's CatEdit

  Resolved: Removed as not relevant to this list.

Not only is this cat both alive and dead, it appears to be both real and fictional, as it appears on both the fiction and non-fiction lists. It is a bit of a cute easter egg, but we should probably open the box and decide its status. I have set up a discussion here Please offer your opinion on where it belongs. --Djohns21 (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem here is that "Schrödinger's Cat" has two meanings: The actual cat of Schroedinger, which is not notable or famous, versus the concept discussed at Schrödinger's Cat. An argument can be made that this latter Gedankenexperiment cat is "fictional" (it's certainly theoretical and metaphorical), and should be in List of fictional cats. Neither belong in this article. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 15:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Blackie the Talking CatEdit

Needs to be added at some point. Can be very reliably sourced, because he appears in court records, and the judge himself says, on record, that he heard the trained cat say "I love you". I've lost the original stuff I found on him, but it should probably not be too hard to find again. I'm mentioning him here on the talk page in case someone else wants to help. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 15:22, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The burning house kitten-rescuerEdit

I remember this story when it was first popularized. A very badly burned cat scheduled for euthanasia was rescued as a heroine and kept as a special-needs house cat. She had originally been observed repeatedly running into a burning building to save her kittens, one at a time, and basically burned her face off in the process, but all of those that she rescued survived. There may be more than one story and cat like this, but the one I'm thinking of had a lot of TV and news coverage nationally in the US at least. Such a cat mentioned by name, Scarlet or Scarlett, with pictures, in Cats 101, season 3, episode 5 (at 8:38 in the copy I have, with commercial breaks edited out). I don't know if this is same cat that received so much coverage. Maybe not, and maybe both have enough coverage to be notable additions here, or maybe it's all one cat, or maybe this sort of thing is so common it's only notable locally and not good enough to add here. Bears further investigation and discussion. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 15:30, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Oscar the hospice catEdit

The last sentence is very misleading. It says roughly: "To date, he has predicted correctly 25 times". Its wrong, it was after the personnal noticed the behavior, and he had predicted and helped 25 times running, when they changed the routines, and called the relatives as soon they noticed he was placing himself at the feet of a patient. so the relatives could be there in the last moments. So he had many more predictions / helpings after that! Easiest to take away the last sentence, Anyway, he was usually right, so the totale is essentially as many as died there during his years in this part of the hospice... And if two were two dying simultaneously in different corridors, he went to her whom died alone, and held her company./StefanZ90.231.255.39 (talk) 19:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)/StefanZ


Needs citationsEdit

Some of the cats are easily verifiable, i.e Cream Puff, but others aren't so because they don't link to an article and/or don't have enough citations to prove it. I am marking it with Refimprove. Usb10 Let's talk 'bout it! 21:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not really necessary. Any entry that does not have a proper citation to a verifiable, reliable source should simply be deleted. This article, like all other lists of this sort, it a global magnet for vanity edits and other nonsense. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 14:57, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Guinness Book of World RecordsEdit

  Unresolved: Should we include all the world-record-holding cats?

Snowbie is currently the longest cat in the world, and the heaviest. Snowbie deserves to be on this page. --66.218.17.142 17:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Assuming that by "longest" you mean eldest, there are already 3 cats on this list (Baby, Creme Puff, & Grampa) that make that claim. T-bonham (talk) 09:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
No, the commenter clearly actually meant "longest". The upshot of the comment is whether or not we should include all the current world-record-holding cats. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 15:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
  • Support: I'd have to say yes, since inclusion in Guinness is one of the only reliable rubrics of cat "fame" there is. I.e., it's the least subjective of the many criteria that could be brought to bear on the question of inclusion in this list. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 15:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Nikola Tesla's catEdit

Could someone add Nikola Tesla's cat Macak to the list of cats owned by famous people or the one of notable cats? It could be argued either way really, since Tesla's interest in electricity was sparked by his cat. I suck at editing or I'd do it myself. As for a citation here's one http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/story_youth.html 68.84.184.173 (talk) 04:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

  Done

I redlinked it because that cat has a very notable incident. I will try and create the article when I find sources.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

The Internet and catsEdit

Please swing by and help improve this new article! :D--Coin945 (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Major RestructuringEdit

Hey there folks. I have CATegorised the list (see what I did there?) into ships cats, mascots, record holders etc. If the list gets much longer I would advocate splitting the cats famous in their own right from the cats of famous people into a second article. --ERAGON (talk) 12:40, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

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Ships catsEdit

The Ship's cat article has a big list of famous cats, is it worth merging the list in? --82.29.128.169 (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Trim's entryEdit

hi, i have just amended Trim's entry on this list to include the ship, HMS Reliance, as he was born onboard and was one of the ship's cats/kittens, and also amended his relationship with Flinders from "owned by" to "companion of" as Flinders thought of him as a friend and companion, see Flinders' biographical tribute to Trim. thanks, Coolabahapple (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Mascots / TamaEdit

That's "single-pawedly", not "single-handledly". Please remain correct.

On the behalf of Bastet - --2A02:560:4299:9200:2119:93C2:29DB:7444 (talk) 11:12, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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