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Featured article?Edit

This article is currently ranked as wikipedia's worst featured article, being in more clean up categories than any other. The article is made worse by the addition of an unnecessary sentence sourced to a poor source that does not support the claim it is adjacent to. If this article is not improved, it should be taken to Wikipedia:Featured article review. DrKay (talk) 07:58, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The article last passed FAR at 6,000 words of prose; it has since become bloated to almost 14,000 words, so most of the text has not been vetted in a review process. This article should go through FAR even if someone cleans up the error maintenance categories. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
@DrKay and SandyGeorgia: I support taking it to FAR as well. I'm sure that there will be some editors at WP:Japan willing to help on such a high-profile article. — Goszei (talk) 05:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
I still see lots of problems, but I only get one FAR nomination every two weeks, just like everyone else. If you are willing to type up the list of issues, you could submit it to FAR. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Restoring from archives, still problematic. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Names of Japanese people in EnglishEdit

Japan has officially adopted the policy of using the same word order for Japanese persons’ names as is used in Japanese, i.e. surname first followed by given name.

Checking the use of Chinese and Korean names, I see that the Chinese and Korean system (also surname followed by given names) is very widely adhered to. The only exception I found was ‘Syngman Rhee’, former Korean president. But this usage failed to adhere to any standards of spelling of Hangul words in English as well.

It is time for Wikipedia to follow the standard set by Japan and switch to following the recommended Japanese practice. Ugetsu53 (talk) 05:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ugetsu53: Welcome to Wikipedia. This talk page is for improving this specific page about the nation of Japan. For all Japanese related articles, a better place for this message would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Ryukyu Disposition & Hokkaido Development CommissionEdit

Hello, I tried to add links to Ryūkyū Disposition and Hokkaidō Development Commission - and have just been reverted with the edit summary "trim". Is this history not relevant, contra eg History of Japan, where I amended from "After consolidating its control over Hokkaido and annexing the Ryukyu Kingdom, it next turned its attention to China and Korea" to "After consolidating its control over Hokkaido (through the Hokkaidō Development Commission) and annexing the Ryukyu Kingdom (the "Ryūkyū Disposition"), it next turned its attention to China and Korea." Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Maculosae tegmine lyncis, because this article is written as a summary of a very broad topic, it's not necessary nor appropriate to include every detail here that is covered in the more specific History of Japan article - the intention is to give an overview here, and allow readers to drill down to more specific articles if wanted. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Climate change japanEdit

I noticed that people removed climate change japan. I dont get why as it is not anywhere in the article. I think it is important to add it so people will know the governments goals involving climate change and that people will know the effects of climate change in japan.Finn.reports (talk) 07:28, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a personal blog or soapbox for promotion or advocacy. This is one general overview of a country, and that things are covered into body of the article already. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.128.142 (talkcontribs)
I dont use it as that and this information is not in the article yet. There is something about environmental issues but not about how the japanese government responds to climate change and what kinda effects it has.Finn.reports (talk) 11:52, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
As this is a broad summary article, we can't cover there is to know about everything here. There is already material relevant to climate change in the Environment subsection, and I don't see a strong rationale to add another section that at least partially duplicates that. Would you like to propose a sentence or two to add into the existing Environment section? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I could add just 2 sentences about the goals of the japanese government and 1 sentence of the effects of climate change. And also add the main article of environment climate change in japan after the now already main article of enivornment. Would this be okay?Finn.reports (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Could you post here what specific sentences and sources you want to add? Nikkimaria (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Japan is the world's fifth largest emitter of carbon dioxide. The Japanese government has pledged to reduce emmisions by 26% in 2030 comparing to 2013 levels and reduce emissions by 80% in 2050.

According to the Environment Ministery heavy rainfall and increasing temperatures have caused several problems in the agricultural industry and other parts of life in japan. [1] Finn.reports (talk) 10:29, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I have made some additions to the article based on your proposal. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I added some more information. Hopefully it is good now.Finn.reports (talk) 13:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

on edit reversionEdit

@Nikkimaria: Thank you for this input. I actually cited four sources regarding the matter, all of which are specific and verifiable, as all have been published by reliable institutions. But if your concern is that there should only be one specific source, I'm fine with that as well, since just one is enough to back the reverted statement. PCommission (talk) 11:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

PCommission, I looked at the sources you provided, but they were not specific enough to allow verification. What specific chapters or pages from those sources do you believe support the content you want to add? Nikkimaria (talk) 11:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: All of those sources support the statement, but thank you for putting this question out. I also think that a source should be more specific. As to comply with consensus, I propose this edit: Throughout areas colonized by Japan, many abuses were committed against natives, notably those who were forced to become comfort women.[2] PCommission (talk) 11:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
I would suggest instead the use of the term 'locals' rather than 'natives'. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: I think that actually sounds better. And thinking about it, some non-natives also became comfort women, so I totally agree. I'll go ahead with the edit. PCommission (talk) 12:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

FYI to everybody: PCommission has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Feel free to revert any of their material per WP:Block evasion (and if you're unsure, keep in mind that the editor is known to push POVs and misrepresent sources). I suggest keeping an eye out for them in the future, as they are a repeat offender. Crossroads -talk- 04:16, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2020Edit

ADD: Most of the critical questions regarding how to interpret Article 9 emerged in the first Diet debates of 1952-54 over the creation of Japan’s postwar military.(Nishi.2018) Even though Japan had to confide in the rules of Article 9 which stated that Japan can not declare war, they were still able to practice self-defense. As their politicians argued that every nation had a right to defend oneself. (Smith, 2019) Japan’s existing defense policy was made in the 1950s with the signing of the bilateral US–Japan security treaty in 1951, the establishment of the Self-Defense Forces (SDF) in 1954, and adoption of the Basic Policy on National Defense by the National Defense Council and the cabinet in May 1957.(Smith, 2019) Both the NDPO and the Defense Guidelines survived the end of the Cold War and would not be revised until the breakdown of the Cold War system.(Smith, 2019 The NDPO was revised in November 1995, emphasizing the importance of international cooperation, including military cooperation. The Abe Cabinet has motioned in 2014 to reinterpret Article 9 so that the SDF would be allowed to operate with and alongside the other national militaries. (Smith, 2019) In 2019 Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party has pushed to build a greater military that is self-reliant. There is ongoing debates about Article 9 as people question why it has never been revised.(Smith, 2019)

Westernization and Mindset of Japanese Military: From the 1950’s, Japan aimed to have one of the strongest militaries in the world. Their mindsets were altered and they started to maintain a mindset in which defense was unacceptable. When they were pushed to the brink of defeat and had no other choice, they were ordered to launch counter attacks however they could (Ford, 2009). A lot of their military mindset was due to the new ideas of Western culture and Westernization that was becoming popular in East Asia. From around the time of the Pacific War, it became a high priority for Japan to train their troops and officers with Western techniques. From their uniforms to their technology, the Japanese military underwent mass amounts of change (Smith, 1976). As a result of Westernization of their military forces, promotion of how they modernized cultural change took place. And the growth of their military starting in the 19th century promoted urbanization for many years after. Military modernization also propelled music, drama, literature, the arts, and most popular culture. Most importantly, the living standards and health care improved for the common people, and those who were once known as “disadvantaged” people could join the military – which boosted their numbers and the war effort (Smith, 1976).

Bibliography


Ford, D. (2009). US Assessments of Japanese Ground Warfare Tactics and the Army's Campaigns in the Pacific Theatres, 1943–1945: Lessons Learned and Methods Applied. War in History,16(3), 325-358. Retrieved October 8, 2020, from http://www.jstor.org/stable/26070693 Nishi, M. (2018). Reflections of a practitioner: Strategic adaptation in Japan since the 1970s. International Affairs, 94(4), 905-909. doi:10.1093/ia/iiy056 Smith, R. (1976). REFLECTIONS ON THE COMPARATIVE STUDY OF MODERNIZATION IN CHINA AND JAPAN: MILITARY ASPECTS. Journal of the Hong Kong Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society, 16, 12-24. Retrieved October 8, 2020, from http://www.jstor.org/stable/23886743

Smith, S. A. (2019). Rhetoric and Realism: The First Diet Debates on Japan’s Military Power. Columbia Journal of Asian Law, 33(1), 64-83.doi.org/10.7916/cjal.v33i1.5452 Calagao (talk) 00:49, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This is apparently WP:UNDUE and WP:COATRACKing. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 01:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

The founding is problematic.Edit

Obviously, there was an emperor before Emperor Kinmei. It's not like he appeared out of nowhere.

There are sources showing that the Yamato existed before the 500 A.D.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/topics/reference/japanese-monarchy/

https://www.britannica.com/place/Japan/The-Yayoi-period-c-300-bce-c-250-ce#ref276120



I found some sources claiming that the Yamato clan was once the Yamatai and first arrived around 250 A.D. From this book here.

CycoMa (talk) 16:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

What change specifically are you proposing, and what citations support that specific change? Nikkimaria (talk) 17:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I think that the date of formation should be removed entirely. It's true that Emperor Kinmei was the first Japanese emperor whose reign dates are universally agreed upon by historians, but that's not the same thing as a date of formation. There were lots of emperors before Kinmei who indisputably existed, such as Emperor Keitai, though the precise dates during which they reigned are disputed. Anyway, nobody except Wikipedia has ever claimed that Japan was "formed" on the obscure year of 539. Japan wasn't formed on a specific known date. However, better possible dates would be either 660 BC, which is the official formation date per Japanese mythology, or 1947, when the current constitution of Japan came into effect. I'm fine with either of those dates, or else removing the date entirely. Tikisim (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Japan 2030: Tackling climate issues is key to the next decade". Deep reads from The Japan Times. Retrieved 2020-09-22.
  2. ^ Yōko, Hayashi (1999–2000). "Issues Surrounding the Wartime "Comfort Women"". Review of Japanese Culture and Society. 11/12 (Special Issue): 54–65. JSTOR 42800182.CS1 maint: date format (link)
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