Talk:Catgirl

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Possible new inclusionsEdit

  1. Information about furry vs nekomimi eg http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:FurryChart.jpg
  2. Imageboard culture and catgirls.
  3. Products related to catgirls, images of headbands possible cosplay images.
  4. A lot more about catgirls and their prevalence in Japanese culture.

I think the article as it stands misses a lot of interesting information. I believe the primary reason for this is that it is very hard to produce citations for this topic. Any suggestions of sources likely to be citeable would be appreciated. For example http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cat_girl actually is a far better article then what we have at this point - Bostwickenator (talk) 08:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Porting over information from ja.wikipediaEdit

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8C%AB%E8%80%B3 has a better article. Even when I read it through Google translate. Can we get someone who can translate Japanese to help bring it across? Bostwickenator (talk) 10:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of workEdit

Just a heads up, I will be working on this in a few hours. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

relation to furriesEdit

cat girls are considered furries. furries are any mixture of human and animal. most furries are covered in fur or wear furry suits, this is what often leads to the confusion about whether catgirls are furries. becuase cat girls are a mixture of human and animal triats this makes them furries. a large number of catgirl fans say they are not furries. this is why it has become a heated debate across the internet.[1]

References

  1. ^ "does liking Nekos make you a furry?". Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help); |access-date= requires |url= (help)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeah32 (talkcontribs)

@Yeah32: Please provide a full citation to a reliable source and we can consider adding this content. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 05:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Your reply is obviously trolling to the point where even the reference refused to load and support your troll — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnSmith13345 (talkcontribs) 18:48, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Image change to Wikipe-tanEdit

Billhpike and Benjaminikuta - with regard to this reversion here - I see nothing wrong with the suggested change from a generic catgirl to that of Wikipe-tan. The Wikipe-tan image has a couple of advantages over the current image - it's higher resolution, has an article dedicated to the subject, and doesn't have a large blank area at the top, which is purely aesthetic, but still a waste of image space.

What reasons are there to not use the Wikipe-tan image? Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:20, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I also think Wikipe-tan is simply better drawn. Furthermore, the Japanese version uses that image. Benjamin (talk) 07:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
WP:Wikipe-tan is not an encyclopedia article, but a page in the Wikipedia namespace.. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 07:26, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
So? That doesn't mean we can't use the image. Benjamin (talk) 08:31, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:SELF self-references within Wikipedia articles to the Wikipedia project should be avoided. We have a suitable alternative image, so there is no need to use Wikipe-tan. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 09:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't think this sort of thing is what that's talking about. The image would work just fine in a non-Wikipedia format. As another example, Screenshot uses an image of Wikipedia. Benjamin (talk) 10:37, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

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That's not what WP:Self is for. WP:Self is to prevent internal or recursive use of reference to Wikipedia so when it's taken out of context the subject still makes sense to somebody who may not be reading a Wikiepedia article. In this case (as an example of a catgirl,) the use of Wikipe-tan is still obvious without context or additional explanation.
Moreover, as pointed out - the alternative is not suitable in that Wikipe-tan is a superior quality image. Wikipedia should use the best material available, and on those grounds Wikipe-tan trumps Hyou-chan.
Precedent has already been set - the image was present in this article from at least June 2013 up until April 2019, and Wikipe-tan is the lead image in List of catgirls, and although you tried to remove it here in May 2018, it was reverted here a couple of days later. As such it has been lead image in the article for well over 12 months, and five years prior] to the blip when you removed it. You may have an argument for removal, but it seems that you're the only one who thinks that way. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
It seems that you're the only one who thinks that way. That's not what the edit history indicates [1]. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 12:57, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I am in favor of including Wikipe-tan, the image is free and high resolution. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:36, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

That's a broken link, but I presume it shows a diff where Wikipe-tan was removed from an unidentified article. I'll modify my statement then - you're in the minority. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan is superior, showing a more cat like pose. The image is also higher quality, and doesn't have a distracting, obscure background. Look at the hand placement as well. The hand proportions are too large, whereas Wikipe-tan's are more natural. Billhpike needs to try to gain WP:CONSENSUS before removing images that are longstanding in pages. Tutelary (talk) 21:35, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

I support the use of the Wikipe-tan image but I agree with @Billhpike: that we should avoid WP:SELF references. We can use the image without calling attention to the fact it depicts a Moe anthropomorphism of Wikipedia (it is not relevant to the topic at hand, "catgirls"). I add that Moe anthropomorphism article mentions Wikipe-tan because she is relevant to the article's topic but still does not link to WP:TAN in accordance to WP:SELF. _dk (talk) 17:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

We can link to Criticism of Wikipedia#wikipe-tanBillHPike (talk, contribs) 19:41, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Also an undue self reference and irrelevant to the topic. _dk (talk) 20:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@Underbar dk: The problem is that I don't see how WP:SELF would apply as it doesn't address cross-space links. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
MOS:LINKSTYLE states Do not create links to user, WikiProject, essay or draft pages in articles, except in articles about Wikipedia itself. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 01:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Yeah but its not a userpage or a Wikiproject, and its not an essay or draft page? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I's fine with not including the link on this article, but it should be placed at Moe anthropomorphism. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 21 October 2019Edit

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved as the page was moved out of process and there is no evidence of any other usage of the word having as signifcant a usage. Also WP:SNOW. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


– Page was moved away from the primary namespace citing that it's "exclusively about the anime and manga concept". But "catgirl" as a compound word has a clear primary topic in the anime and manga character design, and massive pop culture significance in anime and manga. I'm not seeing the WP:NOPRIMARY here. For the record, anthropomorphic cats like Khajiit would not be considered "catgirls", it solely refers to the "cat ears on head" kind. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:32, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Support. Primary topic by miles. 1 exceedingly minor DC comics character, 1 slightly more relevant comics character but who also doesn't normally go by Catgirl, a forgotten 1950s film of no import, and a webcomic not notable enough for its own page (although I recall actually reading & enjoying it...). Nekomata & Bakeneko are somewhat related - but only because the anime meaning is so strong that people are interested in cat-like Japanese mythological figures that are somewhat related. And at risk of pointing out the obvious, those two topics are not exclusive to girls. SnowFire (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
    • As a side note, this move was so recent that I'd say there's good grounds to just use WP:RMTR as a revert to an undiscussed move, if you wanted. SnowFire (talk) 21:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - its clear that the primary topic leads to anime and manga references. On a side note... Nekomata & Bakeneko may also be both genders. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Support This is the primary topic. I'm not satisfied that the other topics merit the disambiguation page being the prime page for the title "Catgirl". Also useless categorical and wordy name. Tutelary (talk) 00:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Support, preferably ASAP since the move was out of process and could have just been reverted. —Xezbeth (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Adding Information About the History of CatgirlsEdit

Hello! I'm planning on including more about the history of catgirls, since it seems their origins date back much further than the 1920s. I'll probably have to rewrite a bit of what is currently in the article, but this (link to my sandbox) is what I'm planning on adding.

I'd like to include information about Nekomusume from GeGeGe no Kitaro, as it seems like she was an important precursor to modern catgirls (considering the JP catgirl article makes references to her). However, I'm having some trouble finding English sources. Kasedori (talk) 13:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit: I added in the history information. Anyone is free to remove it, of course! Kasedori (talk) 13:11, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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