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Mentioning that Biblical Archeology is not the same as Biblical PseudoarchaeologyEdit
Archaeological and historical research a section from Bible Wikipedia page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Doremon764 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC) People may assume that Historian are catogarized with the psudoarchaeoligist that are trying to prove Creationism and Noah Ark as real events in history Religiously motivated pseudoarchaeology from the Pseudoarcheology page. Doremon764 (talk) 05:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- But, yes, that is the very point: calling someone a "biblical archeologist" is a form of mockery.
Apart from the well-funded (and fundamentalist) “biblical archaeologists,” we are in fact nearly all “minimalists” now. ... For it seems that rather than a “minimalist-maximalist” debate we now had a confrontation between two “archaeologies,” one following the theory and practice of the discipline as generally acknowledged elsewhere, the other continuing the established agenda practice of biblical archaeology—defending the Bible. Some practitioners were apparently confused enough to do both—decry “minimalism,” accept a high degree of biblical non-historicity and yet still “defend the Bible.”— Philip Davies, Beyond Labels: What Comes Next?
- "Biblical archaeologist" is a sophisticated way of saying that such person is irrational. Synonym: "Bible thumper". Tgeorgescu (talk) 07:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Doremon764: Christine Hayes stated
And it was explicitly referred to as biblical archaeology — an interesting name, because it suggests that the archaeologists were out there searching for evidence that would verify the details of the biblical text. We're doing biblical archaeology; archeology in support of the biblical text. [...] Increasingly, practitioners of what was now being termed Palestinian archaeology, or Ancient Near Eastern archaeology, or archaeology of the Levant, rather than biblical archaeology — some of these archaeologists grew disinterested in pointing out the correlations between the archaeological data and the biblical stories or in trying to explain away any discrepancies in order to keep the biblical text intact. ... People who equate truth with historical fact will certainly end up viewing the Bible dismissively, as a naïve and unsophisticated web of lies, since it is replete with elements that cannot be literally true. But to view it this way is to make a genre mistake. Shakespeare's Hamlet, while set in Denmark, an actual place, is not historical fact.Tgeorgescu (talk) 09:53, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Extrabiblical Christian scripturesEdit
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Regarding this deletion...Christian scriptures redirects here, but there are canonical scriptures outside the Bible for these and possibly other denominations. Do you think we should point that redirect somewhere else, add a hatnote to this article, mention this fact in the intro (it's now mentioned in the body), or some other solution? -- Beland (talk) 07:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- I think maybe Christian scriptures should redirect to Christian biblical canons and that article should be expanded with a short section on Christian New Religious Movements. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:42, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Something like that may fit under Bible#Views. Is "Other religions" supposed to mean anything other than Judaism and Christianity? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- That section seems to be more about non-Judeo-Christian views on the the Hebrew or (historical) Christian Bibles. I think maybe we shouldn't be including additional texts that are accepted as scripture but aren't part of any pre-modern canon. I would be surprised if otherwise-reliable LDS sources actually identified the Book of Mormon as historically being a part of the Bible (rather than additional canonical scriptures). Ian.thomson (talk) 09:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I've redirected to Christian biblical canons as suggested. It's tagged for merger with Biblical canon, which actually already explains about the LDS canon, and I was planning to do that merge and move material that relates only to the history thereof to Development of the Old Testament canon and Development of the New Testament canon. (That's split into two articles because otherwise it's just too much to handle.) I can update the redirects to the merge target once that happens. BTW, it seems there are also Christian traditions, both ancient and modern, that reject most or all of the Old Testament and New Testament, such as Cerdonians and Marcionism. There seems to be general agreement that "Bible" refers to some variation of the Old Testament, or Old Testament plus New Testament, and not other collections of Jewish, Samaritan, or Christian scriptures. But for readers not familiar with that distinction, and who might not know that other canons exist, I think a hatnote is warranted. -- Beland (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Peshitta is the standard version of the Bible for churches in the Syriac tradition. Religious affiliation with Syriac Christianity. This form of the bible should get a mention in the Christian Bible section. Doremon764 (talk) 05:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)