The banu musa are ARAB, not persian. Check out for more information. I find that this has almost become some sort of propaganda, as if just mentioning that someone is of arabic heritage is a crime. Too often notable arab thinkers, are either moulded so that their names do not reflect their oragin, or they're labelled persian. The brothers were never persian, they were arabic. Their father was arabic as well, and they were born and studied in baghdad under the guidance of al-Ma'mun, the son of Harun-al Rashid the arab caliphite responsible for the thriving culture of baghdad. ALL of whom were arabic. I'm arabic and i study arabic history- and I fear for the survival of the history of my people. The recent events of the middle east- should not hinder nor damage the accurate perception of the arab people.

A strong Persian presenceEdit

There is a strong Persian presence in Wikipedia that’s why they keep deleting every thing related to ArabsAziz1005 20:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Mardvich stop this childish Nuisance, if you have an evidance write it with out deleting others contributions Aziz1005 22:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
the first referenceis not English and there is No way to check it ;the second one is in English and it does not say directly Banu Musa were Persian.Eventhough, this does not give you the right to delete my contributions and sourcesAziz1005 00:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Even Columbia encyclopedia says they were Arabs[], ok then keep this misleading Persians every single Iraqi bit became Persian now ...well done guysAziz1005 00:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
That's a mirror and tertiary source, we're citing primary sources that clearly state the brothers were Persian. --Mardavich 00:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Your other source, [1] doesn't mention anything about them being "arab". Please find reliable sources in disputes --Rayis 00:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
It does say arab scientists; also does not say Persian eitherAziz1005 01:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The word banu بنو which means children (In Arabic) is different in persian, so if we assume they were persian ,why they did not have a Persian name? and why all thier books were in Arabic ?(because as usually persian users say Baghdad was a persian city!!!)Aziz1005 01:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
your source [2] is not reliable sources it does not meets WP:V and WP:RSAziz1005 02:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry your source quotes a scholar by the name Dabbagh(Arab scholar) and there is no other place that it mentions them . It is not reliable. Oaks is a very reliable as he is a professor of history of mathematics. The Banu Musa are considered Persian by Richard Frye (The Golden age of Persia pg 162). Also When Baghdad Ruled the Muslim World: The Rise and Fall of Islam's Greatest Dynasty By Hugh Kennedy(pg 254):The Banu Musa seem to have come from eastern Iran. Note they translated Pahlavi texts. --alidoostzadeh 21:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


The Origins of Feedback Control confirms what you can read here THE PNEUMATICS OF HERO OF ALEXANDRIA FROM THE ORIGINAL GREEK [3]. The sources cited do not support the claims of invention in the article.J8079s (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Valve and plug valveEdit

Invented by the romans or maybe earlier civilisations.Not by the banu musa brothers.See This --Knight1993 (talk) 18:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Also deleting float valve.Known to the romans!!!--Knight1993 (talk) 18:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Self feeding lampEdit

Known to the ancient Romans, or at least since the time of emperor Theodosius II. Evidence here--Knight1993 (talk) 16:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Feedback controlEdit

Mayr was misinterpreted. He did state that the feedback control was known to them, but he never said they invented it. In fact he said Ctesibius was the first to use one. Evidence here. Other sources also agree on the primacy of Ctesibuis. See here.--Knight1993 (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Self trimming lampEdit

Another case of plagiarism. When the D.R Hill says the Banu Musa described or used something, the writer of the list seems to forget that description is different to INVENTION. The self trimming lamp was known to Hero of Alexandria. He wrote how to make one in his famous work Pneumatics. See here please —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knight1993 (talkcontribs) 17:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

slow downEdit

They did build one. All the things with the exception of the "clamshell"(Hill says this is the first appearance and it'might be original) appear earlier see here [4]. I'm going to put the lamp back in and edit out invention. J8079s (talk) 17:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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The illustration called An illustration of a self-trimming lamp from Ahmad's On Mechanical Devices, written in Arabic. can be found in the "Granger Collection" located in New York. This site does not seem to have much academic credentials and anyway no source is given for the illustration.

The next drawing on the page is Cover of Kitāb al-Daraj (The book of degrees), by Ahmad, as found in the Saladin library, from before 1193 AD.. There is no 'Saladin library' at present where the illustration can be inspected. Please specify the current location. --Gerard1453 (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


One of the achievements quoted in this section is Book on a Geometric Proposition Proved by Galen. But Galen was a physician, not a mathematician: ?? --Gerard1453 (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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