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*:: By pointing out the word "editors" in that quote. Talk pages, in the usual sense, are meant for internal discussion between Wikipedia editors, which the guidelines on them reflect. They are not intended for answering questions from the general public, the way the reference desks are. Also, as I noted above, even if [[WP:TALK]] ''is'' construed to apply to RD (which I do admit its current wording leaves at least somewhat open to interpretation), a contradiction between two guidelines is not in itself a reason to demote one of them. It merely means that one must exercise common sense and situational awareness in applying those guidelines (as one always should), and perhaps propose an edit to make the guidelines more in line with each other. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 16:01, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
:::The page is a guide related to a legal policy [[Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer]] and would circumvent any guideline we have for legal reasons. It's pretty clear giving mediacl advice is of a legal matter and should be treated as such.--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User_talk:Moxy|Moxy]]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 16:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
:::'''Addendum:''' I did notice that [[WP:RD/G]] (the parent guideline whose subpage [[WP:RD/G/M]] is) does havecurrently include [[WP:RD/G#Talk page guidelines|a section]] explicitly saying that the talk page guidelines apply to the reference desk "unless these guidelines clarify that they do not apply." So it appears that we do have a genuine disagreement between these two guidelines that probably should be resolved. <p>FWIW, the [[Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk/Archive_109#Do_talk_page_guidelines_apply_to_the_Reference_Desk?|discussion]] preceding the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Guidelines&diff=prev&oldid=630687442 addition of this section] back in 2014 doesn't really show mucha ofparticular aclear consensus for it, although I suppose the fact that nobody's ever reverted it over the years should count for something (at least if one believes that long-standing policies and guidelines in general should be taken to enjoy some degree of historical consensus, regardless of how they were arrived at). AmusinglyInterestingly, said discussion also refers to what seems to essentially be [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_113#Claim_that_talk_page_guidelines_override_reference_desk_ones|'''an earlier iteration of this very dispute''']] that we're currently having from six years ago, involving the same pages (yes, [[WP:RD/G/M]] is also discussed) and some of the same users. In particular, I can't resist quoting a comment from what appears to have been the tail end of the discussion back then: <blockquote>"Fut.Perf., that is a compelling argument. Based upon the above, I am changing my position. WP:LOCALCON does not allow WP:TPOC to override the refdesk guidelines, and I should concentrate on making the refdesk guidelines better, not on deciding which guideline can override the other, Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 15:31, 7 April 2014 (UTC)"</blockquote> FWIW, I agree with both that comment and the one by Fut.Perf. that it responds to. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 21:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
*'''Another choice that we were not offered:''' Assume for the sake of argument that someone reading this RfC completely agrees with creating a new policy forbidding asking medical questions but isn't comfortable with letting any editor delete any other editor's comments. Perhaps they think we should have a policy about medical questions but that it should be enforced the way so many other policy violations that are not listed as instantly deletable in [[WP:TPOC]] are handled; with a warning template followed by asking an administrator to block them if they keep doing it. Alas, that isn't one of the choices that are being offered in this RfC. Our [[False dilemma|only choice]] is to either create a new policy that allows any editor to delete anything that they don't like by calling something as simple as "should I throw away all of my possessions" a request for medical advice or to have no policy at all. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 15:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)