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:::<small>Stalin and Mao are having a war. First day: Russians take 1 Million prisoners; second day: 2 millions; third day: 3 millions. At this point Mao wires to Stalin: "OK, you got it, now? I demand unconditional surrender" [[User:Gem fr|Gem fr]] ([[User talk:Gem fr|talk]]) 14:22, 18 June 2019 (UTC)</small>
Futurist110 -- even leaving aside that the Allies simply weren't in any military position to make such demands, unconditional surrender has been at least partly kind of a U.S. thing since the [[Battle of Fort Donelson]] in 1862. FDR introduced it into WW2 allied decision-making later in the war, with somewhat ambiguous results. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 13:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
:To piggyback on this excellent point -- it's not just that the USA used unconditional surrender in 1862, it's that they used it in the context of crushing an internal rebellion. The demand for unconditional surrender implies that the conquered force has no right to an independent existence. Even when the USA/Britain/France were gobbling up tiny ethnic groups in their colonial conquests, they would usually make a show of negotiating with the Indians/Africans/etc. --[[User:Mareino|M]][[User_talk:Mareino|<font color="orange">@</font>]][[User:Mareino|r]][[Special:Contributions/Mareino|<font color="orange">ē</font>]][[User:Mareino|ino]] 14:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)